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(Some Guy)   Researchers confirm wireless broadband can easily reach the moon, maybe even Mars. But Bum-Fark, Idaho? You're still out of luck   (electronicproducts.com) divider line 38
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2014-06-02 10:59:45 PM  
I here Comcast is willing to setup a 28.8kbps connection to your moon base with 400 HD channels.
 
2014-06-03 12:17:20 AM  
What was the alternative? A cable?
 
2014-06-03 12:20:23 AM  
Good because while on Mars I want focus on Sailors fighting in the dance hall, and take a look at the Lawman beating up the wrong guy.
 
2014-06-03 12:31:20 AM  
We used to spy on Russia by listening to the Moon.

They had no idea they were bouncing off it.
 
2014-06-03 12:31:41 AM  

Tom_Slick: Good because while on Mars I want focus on Sailors fighting in the dance hall, and take a look at the Lawman beating up the wrong guy.


You want to watch Sailor Mars beat up dancers?

/so confused
//got nothing
 
2014-06-03 12:31:53 AM  
I'm sure the resident Ham Operators will have something to say about this. Those farkers bounce beeps off the moon for fun.

/hams are always weird
 
2014-06-03 12:33:04 AM  
Articles like this just emphasize how unlikely it is that we will ever find evidence of non-terrestrial intelligence.  There was a good article recently from somewhere which I hope was here about how unlikely it was.
http://gizmodo.com/the-fermi-paradox-where-the-hell-are-the-other-ea rt hs-1580345495


This article was about LASER-encoded communication.  Imagine that when we first left our planet in the 60s, some watching ET civilization decided this was our 'first contact' moment and sent us a laser-encoded 'hail'.  We wouldn't have known what it was.  The computer(s) onboard the Apollo mission are dwarfed by the CPU power of an old discarded cellphone we traded in for our current model.  100 years ago, if we'd been personally contacted by aliens, we would have shot them unless they all looked like Randolph Scott.

You can get high-latency satellite interweb living in nowheresville. Of course you're not going to get pre-laid high-speed cable or laser-linked PTP.  Move to New Yawk if you want that.
 
2014-06-03 12:38:06 AM  
Does it have ISN?

/remember how we aren't finding any ET signals? What if they transitioned to laser transmission after a very short lived radio era or never even bothered with radio and went straight to light?
 
2014-06-03 12:41:25 AM  

syrynxx: Articles like this just emphasize how unlikely it is that we will ever find evidence of non-terrestrial intelligence.  There was a good article recently from somewhere which I hope was here about how unlikely it was.
http://gizmodo.com/the-fermi-paradox-where-the-hell-are-the-other-ea rt hs-1580345495


This article was about LASER-encoded communication.  Imagine that when we first left our planet in the 60s, some watching ET civilization decided this was our 'first contact' moment and sent us a laser-encoded 'hail'.  We wouldn't have known what it was.  The computer(s) onboard the Apollo mission are dwarfed by the CPU power of an old discarded cellphone we traded in for our current model.  100 years ago, if we'd been personally contacted by aliens, we would have shot them unless they all looked like Randolph Scott.

You can get high-latency satellite interweb living in nowheresville. Of course you're not going to get pre-laid high-speed cable or laser-linked PTP.  Move to New Yawk if you want that.


You went a different direction than I was expecting. I thought you would say something along the lines of how we broadcast so little information away from the planet that we might as well be silent. Transmitters and receivers are doing so much with so little power and directional broadcasting that whatever manages to leave the planet won't be perceptible above the background radiation by the time it gets to anywhere that might have life. It is like we started broadcasting and then suddenly went quiet.
 
2014-06-03 01:07:33 AM  

Tobin_Lam: syrynxx: Articles like this just emphasize how unlikely it is that we will ever find evidence of non-terrestrial intelligence.  There was a good article recently from somewhere which I hope was here about how unlikely it was.
http://gizmodo.com/the-fermi-paradox-where-the-hell-are-the-other-ea rt hs-1580345495


This article was about LASER-encoded communication.  Imagine that when we first left our planet in the 60s, some watching ET civilization decided this was our 'first contact' moment and sent us a laser-encoded 'hail'.  We wouldn't have known what it was.  The computer(s) onboard the Apollo mission are dwarfed by the CPU power of an old discarded cellphone we traded in for our current model.  100 years ago, if we'd been personally contacted by aliens, we would have shot them unless they all looked like Randolph Scott.

You can get high-latency satellite interweb living in nowheresville. Of course you're not going to get pre-laid high-speed cable or laser-linked PTP.  Move to New Yawk if you want that.

You went a different direction than I was expecting. I thought you would say something along the lines of how we broadcast so little information away from the planet that we might as well be silent. Transmitters and receivers are doing so much with so little power and directional broadcasting that whatever manages to leave the planet won't be perceptible above the background radiation by the time it gets to anywhere that might have life. It is like we started broadcasting and then suddenly went quiet.


Umm..I'm a bit confused by you two..are you guys implying aliens somehow knew we landed on the moon, while simultaneously being too far away to just land on someone's lawn?
 
2014-06-03 01:08:27 AM  
With download rates 10 times that of a rural area, real estate on the moon is beginning to seem like a wise investment.
 
2014-06-03 01:26:17 AM  
Without even clicking I knew this was accomplished with laser transmitters.

Subby - there's a wee bit of a difference between sending coded pulses with infrared lasers and what we consider to be "WiFi" generally, although yes, technically both are without wires.

//Much like how your mom and your sock have both had you inside them, but in different ways.
 
2014-06-03 01:36:49 AM  
But the lag.....
 
2014-06-03 01:37:46 AM  
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2014-06-03 01:50:09 AM  

Tobin_Lam: It is like we started broadcasting and then suddenly went quiet.


Clear channel medium wave transmissions still pump out 10 kW or more.  UHF television can go as high as 1 MW.  The SATSPAR space surveillance net transmitted 768 MW on the VHF band.  Other countries allow even higher transmission strengths.
 
2014-06-03 01:55:31 AM  

Tom_Slick: Good because while on Mars I want focus on Sailors fighting in the dance hall, and take a look at the Lawman beating up the wrong guy.


it's a god-awful small affair to the girl with mousy hair.
Her mommy is yelling no and her father has told her to go.
 
2014-06-03 01:57:32 AM  

syrynxx: Articles like this just emphasize how unlikely it is that we will ever find evidence of non-terrestrial intelligence.  There was a good article recently from somewhere which I hope was here about how unlikely it was.
http://gizmodo.com/the-fermi-paradox-where-the-hell-are-the-other-ea rt hs-1580345495


Being a backwater sounds fun. That's why we hear about so much sodomy when the aliens do visit, they think it's just part of our culture.
 
2014-06-03 02:06:18 AM  

SteakMan: But the lag.....


Yeah, about 8 seconds IIRC. My strategy of having a bunch of my daily websites in bookmark folders would pay off. Right click, open all, go to bathroom while Chrome opens a dozen pages.
 
2014-06-03 02:11:54 AM  

Tobin_Lam: syrynxx: Articles like this just emphasize how unlikely it is that we will ever find evidence of non-terrestrial intelligence.  There was a good article recently from somewhere which I hope was here about how unlikely it was.
http://gizmodo.com/the-fermi-paradox-where-the-hell-are-the-other-ea rt hs-1580345495


This article was about LASER-encoded communication.  Imagine that when we first left our planet in the 60s, some watching ET civilization decided this was our 'first contact' moment and sent us a laser-encoded 'hail'.  We wouldn't have known what it was.  The computer(s) onboard the Apollo mission are dwarfed by the CPU power of an old discarded cellphone we traded in for our current model.  100 years ago, if we'd been personally contacted by aliens, we would have shot them unless they all looked like Randolph Scott.

You can get high-latency satellite interweb living in nowheresville. Of course you're not going to get pre-laid high-speed cable or laser-linked PTP.  Move to New Yawk if you want that.

You went a different direction than I was expecting. I thought you would say something along the lines of how we broadcast so little information away from the planet that we might as well be silent. Transmitters and receivers are doing so much with so little power and directional broadcasting that whatever manages to leave the planet won't be perceptible above the background radiation by the time it gets to anywhere that might have life. It is like we started broadcasting and then suddenly went quiet.


"I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened."
 
2014-06-03 03:22:22 AM  

syrynxx: Articles like this just emphasize how unlikely it is that we will ever find evidence of non-terrestrial intelligence.  There was a good article recently from somewhere which I hope was here about how unlikely it was.
http://gizmodo.com/the-fermi-paradox-where-the-hell-are-the-other-ea rt hs-1580345495


This article was about LASER-encoded communication.  Imagine that when we first left our planet in the 60s, some watching ET civilization decided this was our 'first contact' moment and sent us a laser-encoded 'hail'.  We wouldn't have known what it was.  The computer(s) onboard the Apollo mission are dwarfed by the CPU power of an old discarded cellphone we traded in for our current model.  100 years ago, if we'd been personally contacted by aliens, we would have shot them unless they all looked like Randolph Scott.

You can get high-latency satellite interweb living in nowheresville. Of course you're not going to get pre-laid high-speed cable or laser-linked PTP.  Move to New Yawk if you want that.


aliens: more tech advanced than us, but too stupid to see our level of tech?

super advanced but couldn't watch us for signals of peace they could copy?

interstellar travelers who don't have a bullet proof glass to make first contact through? or farking drone robots?

how full of ourselves must we be to think a race thousands of years ahead of us couldn't cover problems we can figure out now?
 
2014-06-03 07:03:13 AM  
Great the first thing the aliens will hear is "shiat cock!"
 
2014-06-03 07:04:31 AM  

wildcardjack: SteakMan: But the lag.....

Yeah, about 8 seconds IIRC. My strategy of having a bunch of my daily websites in bookmark folders would pay off. Right click, open all, go to bathroom while Chrome opens a dozen pages.


Or, you know, there's a station on the moon that receives the signals five minutes before it releases it. You get everything in 'real' time, no lag.

Kind of like they do with 'live' TV, because boobies.
 
2014-06-03 07:10:32 AM  

Smackledorfer: syrynxx: Articles like this just emphasize how unlikely it is that we will ever find evidence of non-terrestrial intelligence.  There was a good article recently from somewhere which I hope was here about how unlikely it was.
http://gizmodo.com/the-fermi-paradox-where-the-hell-are-the-other-ea rt hs-1580345495


This article was about LASER-encoded communication.  Imagine that when we first left our planet in the 60s, some watching ET civilization decided this was our 'first contact' moment and sent us a laser-encoded 'hail'.  We wouldn't have known what it was.  The computer(s) onboard the Apollo mission are dwarfed by the CPU power of an old discarded cellphone we traded in for our current model.  100 years ago, if we'd been personally contacted by aliens, we would have shot them unless they all looked like Randolph Scott.

You can get high-latency satellite interweb living in nowheresville. Of course you're not going to get pre-laid high-speed cable or laser-linked PTP.  Move to New Yawk if you want that.

aliens: more tech advanced than us, but too stupid to see our level of tech?

super advanced but couldn't watch us for signals of peace they could copy?

interstellar travelers who don't have a bullet proof glass to make first contact through? or farking drone robots?

how full of ourselves must we be to think a race thousands of years ahead of us couldn't cover problems we can figure out now?



You're asking me to believe in thinking meat!
 
2014-06-03 07:30:25 AM  

crotchgrabber: I'm sure the resident Ham Operators will have something to say about this. Those farkers bounce beeps off the moon for fun.

/hams are always weird


Yes, yes we are.

And yes, hams have been bouncing signals off the moon for like 50+years now.
 
2014-06-03 07:37:49 AM  

whistleridge: wildcardjack: SteakMan: But the lag.....

Yeah, about 8 seconds IIRC. My strategy of having a bunch of my daily websites in bookmark folders would pay off. Right click, open all, go to bathroom while Chrome opens a dozen pages.

Or, you know, there's a station on the moon that receives the signals five minutes before it releases it. You get everything in 'real' time, no lag.

Kind of like they do with 'live' TV, because boobies.


Yeah, but they have to know what you want in order to stream it to you.

So if you're on Mars, the "ping time" between you and Earth is going to vary between 3 minutes (closest approach) and 21 minutes (opposition).

It's a tough problem to set up communications like that.  It wouldn't matter so much for things like e-mail, or facebook, but stuff like streaming video would have to be requested ahead of time and sent to a local server, like you suggest, and then streamed from there.

Which means you couldn't just surf Netflix and pick something on a whim.
 
2014-06-03 07:44:08 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Smackledorfer: syrynxx: Articles like this just emphasize how unlikely it is that we will ever find evidence of non-terrestrial intelligence.  There was a good article recently from somewhere which I hope was here about how unlikely it was.
http://gizmodo.com/the-fermi-paradox-where-the-hell-are-the-other-ea rt hs-1580345495


This article was about LASER-encoded communication.  Imagine that when we first left our planet in the 60s, some watching ET civilization decided this was our 'first contact' moment and sent us a laser-encoded 'hail'.  We wouldn't have known what it was.  The computer(s) onboard the Apollo mission are dwarfed by the CPU power of an old discarded cellphone we traded in for our current model.  100 years ago, if we'd been personally contacted by aliens, we would have shot them unless they all looked like Randolph Scott.

You can get high-latency satellite interweb living in nowheresville. Of course you're not going to get pre-laid high-speed cable or laser-linked PTP.  Move to New Yawk if you want that.

aliens: more tech advanced than us, but too stupid to see our level of tech?

super advanced but couldn't watch us for signals of peace they could copy?

interstellar travelers who don't have a bullet proof glass to make first contact through? or farking drone robots?

how full of ourselves must we be to think a race thousands of years ahead of us couldn't cover problems we can figure out now?


You're asking me to believe in thinking meat!



classes.lt.unt.edu
I wouldn't exactly call him thinking.

/Got nothing.
 
2014-06-03 09:44:04 AM  
Wifi to Mars is great and all, but you're looking at ~1800000ms ping before factoring in encoding and switching delays.
 
2014-06-03 11:21:11 AM  
OK, I just decided, for fun, to see what a typical ham operator could do with:

An old ~12 foot satellite TV dish,
1,500 watt amp.
Decent feed horn,
PSK31 software

On one of the microwave ham bands, in this case 2.4 GHz.

Turns out that two stations equipped like that could communicate over a distance of about 18 AU, or roughly out to the orbit of Uranus.

If you took the biggest antennas that hams have built or bought and used for moonbounce, roughly 32 feet (10 meters), then you extend the range out to 117 AU, or just a little bit short of where Voyager 1 is currently.
 
2014-06-03 11:52:40 AM  
you ought to see how fast the space people can download using laser beams.
 
2014-06-03 11:53:58 AM  

dittybopper: OK, I just decided, for fun, to see what a typical ham operator could do with:

An old ~12 foot satellite TV dish,
1,500 watt amp.
Decent feed horn,
PSK31 software

On one of the microwave ham bands, in this case 2.4 GHz.

Turns out that two stations equipped like that could communicate over a distance of about 18 AU, or roughly out to the orbit of Uranus.

If you took the biggest antennas that hams have built or bought and used for moonbounce, roughly 32 feet (10 meters), then you extend the range out to 117 AU, or just a little bit short of where Voyager 1 is currently.



be careful about getting 1500 watts too close to Ur anus.
 
2014-06-03 11:55:08 AM  

b2theory: I here Comcast is willing to setup a 28.8kbps connection to your moon base with 400 HD channels.



and it comes with the added benefit of deep packet NSA inspection.
 
2014-06-03 11:58:32 AM  

wildcardjack: SteakMan: But the lag.....

Yeah, about 8 seconds IIRC. My strategy of having a bunch of my daily websites in bookmark folders would pay off. Right click, open all, go to bathroom while Chrome opens a dozen pages.


Of course if they capped your bandwidth the way that current satellite-based ISPs do then you'd have burned through half of  your monthly allotment by the time you got back from the bathroom.

/  Seriously, my parents used to get internet through Hughes Net - their highest tier package available was capped at 15 GB per month, and if you went over they crippled your speed (which was never more than 8 Mbps at it's absolute best anyway) until you paid them 30 bucks for another 5 GB.  Also it costs like $70 a month.
// Don't buy into those DishTV satellite internet commercials either, they contract the service out to Huhges Net, so same shiatty service.
 
2014-06-03 11:58:46 AM  
 
2014-06-03 03:02:55 PM  

dittybopper: Turns out that two stations equipped like that could communicate over a distance of about 18 AU, or roughly out to the orbit of Uranus.

If you took the biggest antennas that hams have built or bought and used for moonbounce, roughly 32 feet (10 meters), then you extend the range out to 117 AU, or just a little bit short of where Voyager 1 is currently.


Sure. The problem's not gain; it's keeping the dishes aligned...
 
2014-06-03 05:55:03 PM  

grumpfuff: Tobin_Lam: syrynxx: Articles like this just emphasize how unlikely it is that we will ever find evidence of non-terrestrial intelligence.  There was a good article recently from somewhere which I hope was here about how unlikely it was.
http://gizmodo.com/the-fermi-paradox-where-the-hell-are-the-other-ea rt hs-1580345495


This article was about LASER-encoded communication.  Imagine that when we first left our planet in the 60s, some watching ET civilization decided this was our 'first contact' moment and sent us a laser-encoded 'hail'.  We wouldn't have known what it was.  The computer(s) onboard the Apollo mission are dwarfed by the CPU power of an old discarded cellphone we traded in for our current model.  100 years ago, if we'd been personally contacted by aliens, we would have shot them unless they all looked like Randolph Scott.

You can get high-latency satellite interweb living in nowheresville. Of course you're not going to get pre-laid high-speed cable or laser-linked PTP.  Move to New Yawk if you want that.

You went a different direction than I was expecting. I thought you would say something along the lines of how we broadcast so little information away from the planet that we might as well be silent. Transmitters and receivers are doing so much with so little power and directional broadcasting that whatever manages to leave the planet won't be perceptible above the background radiation by the time it gets to anywhere that might have life. It is like we started broadcasting and then suddenly went quiet.

Umm..I'm a bit confused by you two..are you guys implying aliens somehow knew we landed on the moon, while simultaneously being too far away to just land on someone's lawn?


He is, I'm not.
 
2014-06-03 07:01:38 PM  
Subby, Bum-fark is in Iowa you ignorant shiatbag.  Goatfark is the Idaho town you were thinking of.  It's that little speck of shiat between Meridian and Boise more commonly known as Garden City.
 
2014-06-03 09:30:17 PM  
Linux_Yes

be careful about getting 1500 watts too close to Ur anus.

Or to Titan.
 
2014-06-03 09:41:26 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Subby, Bum-fark is in Iowa you ignorant shiatbag.  Goatfark is the Idaho town you were thinking of.  It's that little speck of shiat between Meridian and Boise more commonly known as Garden City.


HA! meth heads.
 
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