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(The Raw Story)   Even the NRA has facepalmed over the antics of Texas "Open Carry" advocates and asked them to kindly knock that shiat off, as even the NRA recognizes that eating a burger next to a guy with an AR "is downright weird..and can be downright scary"   (rawstory.com) divider line 184
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2014-06-02 01:43:56 PM  
Now the NRA is going to labeled gun grabbers.
There will be a new gun group formed to be even derpier than the NRA just like tea baggers made an alternative to the left wing, commie AARP.

/Things are getting so delicious lately.
 
2014-06-02 01:49:35 PM  

strangeguitar: Now the NRA is going to labeled gun grabbers.
There will be a new gun group formed to be even derpier than the NRA just like tea baggers made an alternative to the left wing, commie AARP.

/Things are getting so delicious lately.


Gun Owners of America already presents itself as being less willing to compromise than the National Rifle Association, though I do not know their stated position on open carry of rifles in public.
 
2014-06-02 01:51:39 PM  
Well, if I saw someone openly carrying a Langstrom 7″ gangly wrench and Volume 14 of the Kinsley manual, I'd figure they were going to work on a Findlay sprinkler head.
 
2014-06-02 01:58:18 PM  
Open Carry isn't enough. We need mandatory carry
 
2014-06-02 02:00:18 PM  

RocketRod: Well, if I saw someone openly carrying a Langstrom 7″ gangly wrench and Volume 14 of the Kinsley manual, I'd figure they were going to work on a Findlay sprinkler head.


It says "socket", not "sprocket".
 
2014-06-02 02:06:13 PM  

Dimensio: Gun Owners of America already presents itself as being less willing to compromise than the National Rifle Association, though I do not know their stated position on open carry of rifles in public.


They seem generally supportive.
 
2014-06-02 02:12:00 PM  
As a gun-owning gentleman with a rig to conceal-carry his PT-92, I think open-carry of long-arms is just shy of Peter Griffen territory.
 
2014-06-02 02:16:14 PM  
l'm pretty much in the camp, that guns aren't the problem. Any tool can be a weapon if you hold it right. It's not the guns that are out there that are the problem, but the people. People who are ill educated, people with economic problems, people with mental problems, people who are in trouble, and the main issue that I have with the "gun control" issue is that it's often used as a bait and switch to turn off public discussion about how to address the question of violence in our society. It's an easy sort of whistle to blow, that derails any honest discussion about how to reduce crime and promote safety. Because that's what it boils down to in any discussion about guns, is crime and safety. Instead of worrying about those two very real issues, folks get caught up with the tools used. Both "sides" are looking at these issues from differing points of view, but both want safer streets and less crime. Both want the end result to be the same. The question is, how do we get there?

Then you have idiots who think that the discussion should be about how much weaponry that they can haul out and carry like they were playing GTA at home, and want to look like Robin Williams:

2.bp.blogspot.com
These folks don't help. They are equally deluded as the folks who want to only look at guns as the causes of violence, and just as rucking fetarded.

We want to get a discussion going on crime and safety. That's what we need. To do that we need to look at the root causes of the violence, and no one really wants that discussion, because it might lead to widespread changes in how we approach things in this country, that will impact a tiny minority that REALLY don't want the larger discussion to go on. Better education, better economic mobility, better access to training, and retraining, better access to health care, both physical and mental, and then we can talk about keeping your guns locked up properly, and decent measures to prevent folks from accidentally discharging weapons better. Those are big issues, but doable. And instead of talking about those issues, we get round tables looking at the tools, as opposed to the causes.

And then we get idiots who just make everyone roll their eyes. From the folks who want to ban all guns, to the folks who want open carry whenever they go their damn mailbox, and who want to arm teachers, crossing guards, because apparently guns are magic totems that make bad people just disappear--never minding that most folks don't have it in them to throw a decent punch, let alone fire a weapon. And those two extremes illustrate the futility of the gun control argument. Because it's a false argument. It's a diversion, and it leads to dumb places. Instead of talking about the substantive issues, we have folks arguing in circles, on a topic that essentially exists to drain money from pockets, and KEEP the discussion from getting anywhere substantive.

Then you get idiots who just want to touch their magic totems of fire and copper jackets and dream of being in their own action movie, who really screw the pooch by running with this false discussion, and believe in it like they believe in professional wrestling. And it only keeps the waters muddied.

You want to reduce crime? Then let's talk about doing that. Not the tools used in the commission necessarily, but yes, we can make some forays into conditions of mental health and access to arms while being treated for certain issues. Better, let's talk about what leads folks to the desperation to want to commit violent crimes in the first place. Let's reduce those conditions. Let's talk about access to health care and promote personal safety in that realm as well. We need a better discussion than just the tools, because there are idiots who can't see past their masturbatory fantasies, and these cretins need adults at the damn table doing the heavy lifting, otherwise they're going to hurt themselves trying to think about the real issues.
 
2014-06-02 02:22:58 PM  
You have to understand, these are good guys with guns.
 
2014-06-02 02:28:29 PM  
Even the NRA, subby?
 
2014-06-02 02:32:41 PM  
How long before a group of Columbine kids put on some fatigues and Team-USA t-shirts, casually waltz in to a Chik-Fil-A in Greenbo Alabama carrying AK-47s* across their chests, and massacre an entire lunch crowd?

*aren't those made by communists??
 
2014-06-02 02:33:08 PM  
Anyone who claims a gun is a tool like a blade needs to have their head examined. Guns are designed for the specific purpose of harming living things. Blades can be designed for many purposes. Blades are tools, guns are weapons.

Also, this is coming from a group that is a-ok with open carry on playgrounds, at schools, in churches, and at public events. Where do they get off trying to draw a line at restaurants? They're just pissed that these guys are exposing the stupidity of the NRA's position.
 
2014-06-02 02:33:57 PM  
Tomorrow's American Thinker:  Have Libs Infiltrated the NRA?
 
2014-06-02 02:34:10 PM  

Lord_Baull: Even the NRA, subby?


media2.s-nbcnews.com
 
2014-06-02 02:35:17 PM  
The NRA applauded Texas for a "robust gun culture"...

www.csmonitor.com

What a robust gun culture might look like.
 
2014-06-02 02:35:40 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: You have to understand, these are good guys with guns.


What are they good at, exactly?

/besides asshattery of the highest order
 
2014-06-02 02:35:56 PM  
Let the No True Scotsman orgy commence.
 
2014-06-02 02:37:14 PM  
A gun is simply a tool like a butcher knife or a grenade or an alligator.  You can't ban alligators can you?

Checkmate, libs.
 
2014-06-02 02:40:10 PM  
What a bunch of morans.
 
2014-06-02 02:41:15 PM  

hubiestubert:

apparently guns are magic totems that make bad people just disappear-


img2.wikia.nocookie.net

If you squeeze me, I make bad people go away!

 
2014-06-02 02:41:38 PM  

timswar: Also, this is coming from a group that is a-ok with open carry on playgrounds, at schools, in churches, and at public events. Where do they get off trying to draw a line at restaurants? They're just pissed that these guys are exposing the stupidity of the NRA's position.


Because restaurants are private property.  Schools, city playgrounds, and public events are not.
Significant difference, and one that matters.
The Government can't ban your guns, but I can.

/I can also ban you from saying things I don't like.
// Or dressing a certain way.
/// Suck It.
 
2014-06-02 02:43:34 PM  
100 people with guns in a home depot parking lot wouldn't be scary as it would obviously be a protest but when you got a couple freaks coming in to the resturant you are eating at carrying guns that are totally out of context for the area and hunting season you freak people out.
 
2014-06-02 02:45:05 PM  
I was told having guns makes everyone much safer so I don't get why they would say it's a bad thing.
 
2014-06-02 02:45:17 PM  

strangeguitar: Now the NRA is going to labeled gun grabbers.
There will be a new gun group formed to be even derpier than the NRA just like tea baggers made an alternative to the left wing, commie AARP.

/Things are getting so delicious lately.


I'm fairly certain that group has already formed, because the NRA was too secular.

Let me search for it.
 
2014-06-02 02:45:57 PM  
The last thing I want to do is talk gun rights with a guy who is dressed in body armor and has an AK-47 on him.  If you want to prove there are responsible gun owners maybe should be responsible and not walk around with rifles harassing people.
 
2014-06-02 02:46:01 PM  

Rapmaster2000: A gun is simply a tool like a butcher knife or a grenade or an alligator.  You can't ban alligators can you?

Checkmate, libs.


What a crock. Dial it down a bit, this was a serious argument before you caiman ruined it.
 
2014-06-02 02:48:38 PM  
Aside from the fact that people who openly carry military style long rifles in public are utter and complete attention whores, here's my main problem with it: If I see someone carrying a shovel, I assume he's going to dig a hole somewhere; if I see someone carrying a hammer, I assume he's going to nail something; if I see someone carrying a watering can, I assume he's going to water some plants. And if I see someone openly carrying a weapon, especially long guns that can't be holstered, I think it is perfectly reasonable to assume that he plans to use it. So if I'm in a shop or restaurant and I see some dickhead walk in with a rifle, I think it is perfectly reasonable to perceive that person as an immediate threat. And if I'm carrying my concealed handgun, I think it is perfectly reasonable to shoot that person, assuming it's even feasible. Why the hell should I wait around to find out whether this person is intent on mass murder or just another dickhead attention whore? If attention is what these people want, attention is exactly what they're going to get one of these days, in the form of a bullet in their back fired by someone who isn't willing to risk their life to find out what their intentions are. And frankly I think that would be justifiable self-defense.

And remember, I'm a gun owner and a legal concealed weapon permit holder. I strongly believe in people's right to protect themselves with a gun, even in public. But just like anything else, publicly carrying a firearm can be taken way too far, and these fools have clearly crossed that line by intentionally intimidating and frightening people. Keep it up, and the rest of us are going to pay the price too.
 
2014-06-02 02:49:24 PM  
What we need is a large group of non-whites to pull these sorts of antics.

I think that would open the door on one or two much-needed teachable moments in this strange country.
 
2014-06-02 02:50:43 PM  
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2014-06-02 02:52:47 PM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: If attention is what these people want, attention is exactly what they're going to get one of these days, in the form of a bullet in their back fired by someone who isn't willing to risk their life to find out what their intentions are. And frankly I think that would be justifiable self-defense.


Hell, according to Stand Your Ground, you can be a hell of a lot less reasonable than this, and it would still be considered "self-defense".
 
2014-06-02 02:53:15 PM  

hubiestubert: These folks don't help. They are equally deluded as the folks who want to only look at guns as the causes of violence, and just as rucking fetarded.

We want to get a discussion going on crime and safety. That's what we need. To do that we need to look at the root causes of the violence,


Gun ownership rate is highly correlated with an uptick in violence, controlling for almost every variable imaginable.  Guns are a root cause.  Not the only one, but measurably and certainly a cause.
 
2014-06-02 02:54:26 PM  

Vodka Zombie: What we need is a large group of non-whites to pull these sorts of antics.

I think that would open the door on one or two much-needed teachable moments in this strange country.


Most of the folks of differing colors realize that they can't wear certain clothing without getting the police to come down on them, and you want a bunch of armed yellow, brown and black folks to gather together? Cripes, you can't be black and near a polling station without someone screaming.

Which, I suppose is the point, but I think it will go over the Idiot Brigade's heads...
 
2014-06-02 02:56:55 PM  

Vodka Zombie: What we need is a large group of non-whites to pull these sorts of antics.

I think that would open the door on one or two much-needed teachable moments in this strange country.


We did that already.  You'll never guess how open carry became outlawed in California...

patdollard.com

All thanks to that well known gun grabbing communist leftard Gov. Ronald Reagan.
 
2014-06-02 02:57:00 PM  
Is it just me, or is the NRA engaged in a long shell game argument?

-Background checks are unconstitutional!
-The problem isn't legal guns and gun owners, it's illegal guns and bad owners!
-MAIG (and similar groups) is just a front for registration and registration is just a front for bans!
-Enforce the laws on the books! No new laws!
-How dare you suggest doctors ask patients about gun ownership!
-Background checks are unconstitutional!

Suggesting we look at a prospective purchaser's criminal history is off limits, asking gun owners to keep track of their property is off limits, treating guns like other household risk factors is off limits, making new laws is off limits.

So we're left with "fix mental health", which very easily turns back into "Oh, so gun ownership is a mental health risk now?" plus "INVASION OF MAH PRIVASEEZE" plus "NO SOCIALIZED MEDICINE!" plus the sorry state of mental health care in the US in general.

Just farking great. Schedule the next one for mid-2015, guys. Plan to not talk about the fact that that argument will look exactly like this one, which looks exactly like the post-Sandy Hook one, which looks surprisingly like the post-Aurora discussion, which itself resembles the post-Columbine discussions...
 
2014-06-02 02:57:57 PM  
cdn.bearingarms.com

I loooooooove this image.  I generally consider overzealous gun nuts to be rage addicts on a steady diet of Choco Tacos and Mountain Dew, dwelling in some basement somewhere, hitting "refresh" on Infowars compulsively and lying about how many forms of martial arts they've mastered.

I'll be damned if these farkers don't fit that gross generalization to a T.
 
2014-06-02 02:58:33 PM  

ikanreed: hubiestubert: These folks don't help. They are equally deluded as the folks who want to only look at guns as the causes of violence, and just as rucking fetarded.

We want to get a discussion going on crime and safety. That's what we need. To do that we need to look at the root causes of the violence,

Gun ownership rate is highly correlated with an uptick in violence, controlling for almost every variable imaginable.  Guns are a root cause.  Not the only one, but measurably and certainly a cause.


Nah, I'm not a big fan of guns, and even I know this isn't really the case.  There's studies all over you can look at regarding violence in both the US and UK, one country that revels in guns, and the other where they're all but illegal.  Both have roughly the same amount of violence per capita based on the population.

What I will say is that gun ownership rate is highly correlated with an uptick in death.  There's a lot of violent crimes in the UK, but roughly 1/4 of the deaths per capita compared to the US.  So it doesn't solve the crime issue, but it does greatly solve the death issue.

/which I'm okay with
 
2014-06-02 02:58:59 PM  
www.rawstory.com

If I saw a person approaching me looking like that, with a gun across his chest like that, I'd be calling the police, running, or shooting them.

There's NO farking reason to be walking around like that at a place of business.
 
2014-06-02 02:59:48 PM  

Zerochance: The Dog Ate My Homework: If attention is what these people want, attention is exactly what they're going to get one of these days, in the form of a bullet in their back fired by someone who isn't willing to risk their life to find out what their intentions are. And frankly I think that would be justifiable self-defense.

Hell, according to Stand Your Ground, you can be a hell of a lot less reasonable than this, and it would still be considered "self-defense".


just make sure when you are questioned after the fact when asked "were you in fear for your life?" you clearly state " YES"
 
2014-06-02 03:01:08 PM  

hubiestubert: l'm pretty much in the camp, that guns aren't the problem. Any tool can be a weapon if you hold it right. It's not the guns that are out there that are the problem, but the people. People who are ill educated, people with economic problems, people with mental problems, people who are in trouble, and the main issue that I have with the "gun control" issue is that it's often used as a bait and switch to turn off public discussion about how to address the question of violence in our society. It's an easy sort of whistle to blow, that derails any honest discussion about how to reduce crime and promote safety. Because that's what it boils down to in any discussion about guns, is crime and safety. Instead of worrying about those two very real issues, folks get caught up with the tools used. Both "sides" are looking at these issues from differing points of view, but both want safer streets and less crime. Both want the end result to be the same. The question is, how do we get there?

Then you have idiots who think that the discussion should be about how much weaponry that they can haul out and carry like they were playing GTA at home, and want to look like Robin Williams:


These folks don't help. They are equally deluded as the folks who want to only look at guns as the causes of violence, and just as rucking fetarded.

We want to get a discussion going on crime and safety. That's what we need. To do that we need to look at the root causes of the violence, and no one really wants that discussion, because it might lead to widespread changes in how we approach things in this country, that will impact a tiny minority that REALLY don't want the larger discussion to go on. Better education, better economic mobility, better access to training, and retraining, better access to health care, both physical and mental, and then we can talk about keeping your guns locked up properly, and decent measures to prevent folks from accidentally discharging weapons better. Those are big issues, but doable. And instead of talking about those issues, we get round tables looking at the tools, as opposed to the causes.

And then we get idiots who just make everyone roll their eyes. From the folks who want to ban all guns, to the folks who want open carry whenever they go their damn mailbox, and who want to arm teachers, crossing guards, because apparently guns are magic totems that make bad people just disappear--never minding that most folks don't have it in them to throw a decent punch, let alone fire a weapon. And those two extremes illustrate the futility of the gun control argument. Because it's a false argument. It's a diversion, and it leads to dumb places. Instead of talking about the substantive issues, we have folks arguing in circles, on a topic that essentially exists to drain money from pockets, and KEEP the discussion from getting anywhere substantive.

Then you get idiots who just want to touch their magic totems of fire and copper jackets and dream of being in their own action movie, who really screw the pooch by running with this false discussion, and believe in it like they believe in professional wrestling. And it only keeps the waters muddied.

You want to reduce crime? Then let's talk about doing that. Not the tools used in the commission necessarily, but yes, we can make some forays into conditions of mental health and access to arms while being treated for certain issues. Better, let's talk about what leads folks to the desperation to want to commit violent crimes in the first place. Let's reduce those conditions. Let's talk about access to health care and promote personal safety in that realm as well. We need a better discussion than just the tools, because there are idiots who can't see past their masturbatory fantasies, and these cretins need adults at the damn table doing the heavy lifting, otherwise they're going to hurt themselves trying to think about the real issues.


If I weren't mobile I would only highlight your second sentence.

While most tools could be s
 
2014-06-02 03:03:36 PM  

Dimensio: Gun Owners of America already presents itself as being less willing to compromise than the National Rifle Association


GOA? Is your wife a GOA? Nudge nudge.
 
2014-06-02 03:03:37 PM  

ikanreed: hubiestubert: These folks don't help. They are equally deluded as the folks who want to only look at guns as the causes of violence, and just as rucking fetarded.

We want to get a discussion going on crime and safety. That's what we need. To do that we need to look at the root causes of the violence,

Gun ownership rate is highly correlated with an uptick in violence, controlling for almost every variable imaginable.  Guns are a root cause.  Not the only one, but measurably and certainly a cause.


No, guns aren't a cause, even if they are correlated. Correlation is NOT causation. Nearly 99.95% of folks who instigate violence have hands, and yet we're not looking to amputate to cease violence. What causes folks to turn to violence as what they feel is a justified risk, that has to be addressed. The tools, that is a band aid solution. Take away the guns, without addressing the root causes, and you get folks who either get illegal arms, or they get knives, they get machetes, and they just get more creative. You see that in Japan, you see that in the UK. In part, we are looking at culture as well as economic and mental health issues, and we really need to be looking at those, as opposed to the guns themselves. The guns aren't the problem, the people are. We need to address the woes in our society, as opposed to looking for band aids to make ourselves feel better. I know that the causes are harder to look at, but simply because it's harder, doesn't mean that it's not worth doing.

Canada is armed. They don't kill each other in anywhere near the same percentages as we do. Why is that? It's not just cultural, but how they treat issues in their economy, their health care, and basic domestic issues. We need to look deeper than simply the symptoms.
 
2014-06-02 03:04:24 PM  
NRA = 2INOs
 
2014-06-02 03:04:57 PM  
Especially when he leaves the gun at the table when he goes to grab a straw and his 5 year old son picks it up and shoots grandpa in the chest.
 
2014-06-02 03:05:38 PM  

hubiestubert: l'm pretty much in the camp, that guns aren't the problem. Any tool can be a weapon if you hold it right. It's not the guns that are out there that are the problem, but the people. People who are ill educated, people with economic problems, people with mental problems, people who are in trouble, and the main issue that I have with the "gun control" issue is that it's often used as a bait and switch to turn off public discussion about how to address the question of violence in our society. It's an easy sort of whistle to blow, that derails any honest discussion about how to reduce crime and promote safety. Because that's what it boils down to in any discussion about guns, is crime and safety. Instead of worrying about those two very real issues, folks get caught up with the tools used. Both "sides" are looking at these issues from differing points of view, but both want safer streets and less crime. Both want the end result to be the same. The question is, how do we get there?

Then you have idiots who think that the discussion should be about how much weaponry that they can haul out and carry like they were playing GTA at home, and want to look like Robin Williams:


These folks don't help. They are equally deluded as the folks who want to only look at guns as the causes of violence, and just as rucking fetarded.

We want to get a discussion going on crime and safety. That's what we need. To do that we need to look at the root causes of the violence, and no one really wants that discussion, because it might lead to widespread changes in how we approach things in this country, that will impact a tiny minority that REALLY don't want the larger discussion to go on. Better education, better economic mobility, better access to training, and retraining, better access to health care, both physical and mental, and then we can talk about keeping your guns locked up properly, and decent measures to prevent folks from accidentally discharging weapons better. Those are big issues, but doable. And instead of talking about those issues, we get round tables looking at the tools, as opposed to the causes.

And then we get idiots who just make everyone roll their eyes. From the folks who want to ban all guns, to the folks who want open carry whenever they go their damn mailbox, and who want to arm teachers, crossing guards, because apparently guns are magic totems that make bad people just disappear--never minding that most folks don't have it in them to throw a decent punch, let alone fire a weapon. And those two extremes illustrate the futility of the gun control argument. Because it's a false argument. It's a diversion, and it leads to dumb places. Instead of talking about the substantive issues, we have folks arguing in circles, on a topic that essentially exists to drain money from pockets, and KEEP the discussion from getting anywhere substantive.

Then you get idiots who just want to touch their magic totems of fire and copper jackets and dream of being in their own action movie, who really screw the pooch by running with this false discussion, and believe in it like they believe in professional wrestling. And it only keeps the waters muddied.

You want to reduce crime? Then let's talk about doing that. Not the tools used in the commission necessarily, but yes, we can make some forays into conditions of mental health and access to arms while being treated for certain issues. Better, let's talk about what leads folks to the desperation to want to commit violent crimes in the first place. Let's reduce those conditions. Let's talk about access to health care and promote personal safety in that realm as well. We need a better discussion than just the tools, because there are idiots who can't see past their masturbatory fantasies, and these cretins need adults at the damn table doing the heavy lifting, otherwise they're going to hurt themselves trying to think about the real issues.


Dang nabit. Let's try this again.

A gun is not a tool like a screwdriver or a shovel. The screwdriver can be used as a tool, or a weapon. The only purpose a gun has is to kill, or injure, another living creature or threaten another living creature. That is its only purpose.

Comparing a gun to a normal tool is ignorant at best, and at worst it is willfully trying to mislead others.
 
2014-06-02 03:07:01 PM  

quiotu: ikanreed: hubiestubert: These folks don't help. They are equally deluded as the folks who want to only look at guns as the causes of violence, and just as rucking fetarded.

We want to get a discussion going on crime and safety. That's what we need. To do that we need to look at the root causes of the violence,

Gun ownership rate is highly correlated with an uptick in violence, controlling for almost every variable imaginable.  Guns are a root cause.  Not the only one, but measurably and certainly a cause.

Nah, I'm not a big fan of guns, and even I know this isn't really the case.  There's studies all over you can look at regarding violence in both the US and UK, one country that revels in guns, and the other where they're all but illegal.  Both have roughly the same amount of violence per capita based on the population.

What I will say is that gun ownership rate is highly correlated with an uptick in death.  There's a lot of violent crimes in the UK, but roughly 1/4 of the deaths per capita compared to the US.  So it doesn't solve the crime issue, but it does greatly solve the death issue.

/which I'm okay with


A.  The bolded statement isn't actually true.  For any given specific crime, the US is almost double the UK's.  "total violent crime" stats are misleading, because the US only counts super-duper serious ones, whereas the UK includes a lot more(from breaking and entering to non-forcible rape) that get left out of US stats.
B.  The studies I'm discussing aren't "Country-to-country", which allow for all sorts of impossible-to-control-variables but region-to-region or household-to-household.  The numbers are pretty serious too.
C.  Regional gun laws in the US predict very little, but ownership rates predicts a lot more.  This substantiates both the idea that gun people present("background checks don't work"), and the general idea that guns are dangerous, at the same time.
 
2014-06-02 03:08:17 PM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: Aside from the fact that people who openly carry military style long rifles in public are utter and complete attention whores, here's my main problem with it: If I see someone carrying a shovel, I assume he's going to dig a hole somewhere; if I see someone carrying a hammer, I assume he's going to nail something; if I see someone carrying a watering can, I assume he's going to water some plants. And if I see someone openly carrying a weapon, especially long guns that can't be holstered, I think it is perfectly reasonable to assume that he plans to use it. So if I'm in a shop or restaurant and I see some dickhead walk in with a rifle, I think it is perfectly reasonable to perceive that person as an immediate threat. And if I'm carrying my concealed handgun, I think it is perfectly reasonable to shoot that person, assuming it's even feasible. Why the hell should I wait around to find out whether this person is intent on mass murder or just another dickhead attention whore? If attention is what these people want, attention is exactly what they're going to get one of these days, in the form of a bullet in their back fired by someone who isn't willing to risk their life to find out what their intentions are. And frankly I think that would be justifiable self-defense.

And remember, I'm a gun owner and a legal concealed weapon permit holder. I strongly believe in people's right to protect themselves with a gun, even in public. But just like anything else, publicly carrying a firearm can be taken way too far, and these fools have clearly crossed that line by intentionally intimidating and frightening people. Keep it up, and the rest of us are going to pay the price too.


This.  A thousand times this.  I don't even like concealed carry.  Or guns.  Or people.  But right now I'm fine with you carrying a gun around.
 
2014-06-02 03:08:58 PM  
congratulations, boys -- you've successfully turned your deadly weapon into a fashion accessory.

you're now essentially wearing a purse, only much heavier and far less useful.
 
2014-06-02 03:09:41 PM  

hubiestubert: No, guns aren't a cause, even if they are correlated. Correlation is NOT causation

.

Once again, with adequate controls, it is. People who don't understand observational experimentation are doomed to not understand most things.  And the causative mechanisms are easily understood.


"Gee, you can't demonstrate causation, because how on earth could deadly weapons be involved in causing a higher death rate"
 
2014-06-02 03:09:53 PM  

Zerochance: [cdn.bearingarms.com image 636x652]

I loooooooove this image.  I generally consider overzealous gun nuts to be rage addicts on a steady diet of Choco Tacos and Mountain Dew, dwelling in some basement somewhere, hitting "refresh" on Infowars compulsively and lying about how many forms of martial arts they've mastered.

I'll be damned if these farkers don't fit that gross generalization to a T.


All I see is a fat, out of shape mountain who complains about always being in the friend zone standing next to a wanna-be libertarian hipster with a Napoleon complex.
 
2014-06-02 03:11:18 PM  
In the end, it will be the gun nuts and their growing gun greed that do the most damage to their gun rights.
 
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