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2014-06-02 11:32:35 AM  
Or the opposite of what the headline says.
 
2014-06-02 12:06:51 PM  

cmunic8r99: Or the opposite of what the headline says.


Uh, what?
 
2014-06-02 12:07:19 PM  
What a broad band may look like...

farm5.static.flickr.com
 
2014-06-02 12:13:11 PM  
For those of you in South Korea, the below is a broad band

www.eastasiafair.com
 
2014-06-02 12:25:55 PM  
Do they measure the speed before or after VerizonFIOS throttles my Netflix stream?
 
2014-06-02 12:36:38 PM  
I want to redefine my wife to be a supermodel, but that's not going to change who's actually sleeping in my bed.
 
2014-06-02 12:36:57 PM  
"We're in hot water for our blatant corruption, maybe we should do something that looks like we're not completely bought and paid for but doesn't hinder our bosses in any way".
 
2014-06-02 12:36:58 PM  

Wellon Dowd: Do they measure the speed before or after VerizonFIOS throttles my Netflix stream?


I started using a VPN a few months ago.  Don't regret it one bit.
 
2014-06-02 12:39:10 PM  

qorkfiend: cmunic8r99: Or the opposite of what the headline says.

Uh, what?


Headline says that the FCC will lower the speed requirements for broadband.  The article says that the FCC will actually raise the speed requirements for broadband.
 
2014-06-02 12:43:51 PM  
4Mbps to 10Mbps?   That's a 150% increase!!  What is everyone upset about?  The system works!
 
2014-06-02 12:45:57 PM  

qorkfiend: cmunic8r99: Or the opposite of what the headline says.

Uh, what?


Just read the article and it looks like the FCC is considering raising the minimum speed for "Broadband" to 10mb Download, up from 4mb Download. The headline implies that the FCC is looking at lowering it down so that dial up speeds could be considered Broadband. So... it looks like the headline is literally the opposite of what the article says.

As an aside, is anyone else noticing that there are weird gaps in the article listings on Fark lately? Like there's an article missing here and there, but there's still a placeholder? For example on my Fark screen there is a blank space between "Elevators to space could be built in coming years ..." and "Ever wonder what happens inside a dishwasher?" on the Geek tab. It's rather weird.
 
2014-06-02 12:53:13 PM  

Techhell: qorkfiend: cmunic8r99: Or the opposite of what the headline says.

Uh, what?

Just read the article and it looks like the FCC is considering raising the minimum speed for "Broadband" to 10mb Download, up from 4mb Download. The headline implies that the FCC is looking at lowering it down so that dial up speeds could be considered Broadband. So... it looks like the headline is literally the opposite of what the article says.

As an aside, is anyone else noticing that there are weird gaps in the article listings on Fark lately? Like there's an article missing here and there, but there's still a placeholder? For example on my Fark screen there is a blank space between "Elevators to space could be built in coming years ..." and "Ever wonder what happens inside a dishwasher?" on the Geek tab. It's rather weird.


You're using some sort of adblocker, right?

It's where the "featured partners" stories are supposed to go.
 
2014-06-02 12:57:33 PM  

Techhell: As an aside, is anyone else noticing that there are weird gaps in the article listings on Fark lately? Like there's an article missing here and there, but there's still a placeholder? For example on my Fark screen there is a blank space between "Elevators to space could be built in coming years ..." and "Ever wonder what happens inside a dishwasher?" on the Geek tab. It's rather weird.


Are you running with AdBlock? Lately there's been ads disguised as article links, but they sometimes load on the page at a different time from the rest, as if they come from a different server. If you're blocking ads, you might be seeing them as only a gap.
 
2014-06-02 01:13:51 PM  
I was going to head over the FCC website and post a comment on Net Neutrality...but the site is either down, or my ISP isn't allowing me to access it. Irony?
 
2014-06-02 01:16:02 PM  
On a side note, don't confuse Mbps with MBps

Why the fark do they even say Mbps when nothing is even measured in megabits?
 
2014-06-02 01:34:44 PM  

van1ty: On a side note, don't confuse Mbps with MBps

Why the fark do they even say Mbps when nothing is even measured in megabits?


Marketing.  No one wants to cut their advertised speed by 8, even if it is correct.  It would cost billions in advertising and marketing to convince the normal population that 6.25MBps is actually 5x faster than 10Mbps.

/Units be damned.
 
2014-06-02 01:35:43 PM  

NewWorldDan: I want to redefine my wife to be a supermodel, but that's not going to change who's actually sleeping in my bed.


It might if she heard you say that.
 
2014-06-02 01:36:43 PM  

van1ty: On a side note, don't confuse Mbps with MBps

Why the fark do they even say Mbps when nothing is even measured in megabits?


To piss people off with misleading adverts.  Just like my Unlimited Data Plan from AT&T....technically I have unlimited access to pull data from their towers, only at 10 bucks a gigabyte once my initial 2 are used up...

AT&T Unlimited Plan
Unlimited calls = call as much as you like, no per call or per minute fee
Unlimited messaging = same as above, only with messaging
Unlimited data = 2 gb/month + 10/gb afterwards
 
2014-06-02 01:36:59 PM  

van1ty: On a side note, don't confuse Mbps with MBps

Why the fark do they even say Mbps when nothing is even measured in megabits?


Because confusion means they can promise a and deliver b then say 'nope, you misread, thanks'.

It's not like this matters anyway. Teleco will still say 'speeds as high as' disclaimers mean they can sell you dial up and call it whatever they want, especially since they often only validate on the 'Teleco brand speed test' which miraculously reports speeds 400x faster than other nonpartisan ones.
 
2014-06-02 01:43:32 PM  

kroonermanblack: van1ty: On a side note, don't confuse Mbps with MBps

Why the fark do they even say Mbps when nothing is even measured in megabits?

Because confusion means they can promise a and deliver b then say 'nope, you misread, thanks'.

It's not like this matters anyway. Teleco will still say 'speeds as high as' disclaimers mean they can sell you dial up and call it whatever they want, especially since they often only validate on the 'Teleco brand speed test' which miraculously reports speeds 400x faster than other nonpartisan ones.


Citation?  I'm not arguing with you, because I know a few ISP's have been playing games with speedtest in order to get better results than what they typically deliver.  I am just interested to see some data on which ones are more truthful and by how much.
 
2014-06-02 01:58:32 PM  

Gonz: Techhell: qorkfiend: cmunic8r99: Or the opposite of what the headline says.

Uh, what?

Just read the article and it looks like the FCC is considering raising the minimum speed for "Broadband" to 10mb Download, up from 4mb Download. The headline implies that the FCC is looking at lowering it down so that dial up speeds could be considered Broadband. So... it looks like the headline is literally the opposite of what the article says.

As an aside, is anyone else noticing that there are weird gaps in the article listings on Fark lately? Like there's an article missing here and there, but there's still a placeholder? For example on my Fark screen there is a blank space between "Elevators to space could be built in coming years ..." and "Ever wonder what happens inside a dishwasher?" on the Geek tab. It's rather weird.

You're using some sort of adblocker, right?

It's where the "featured partners" stories are supposed to go.


zimbach: Are you running with AdBlock? Lately there's been ads disguised as article links, but they sometimes load on the page at a different time from the rest, as if they come from a different server. If you're blocking ads, you might be seeing them as only a gap.


Strange. I'm not actually running an ad block program - I wonder if any of my other extensions might be acting like an ad blocker? But now that it's mentioned, I haven't seen the link for the tragic case of two pineapples in love that's been all over Fark for the past few weeks.
 
2014-06-02 02:03:52 PM  
 

Techhell: Strange. I'm not actually running an ad block program - I wonder if any of my other extensions might be acting like an ad blocker? But now that it's mentioned, I haven't seen the link for the tragic case of two pineapples in love that's been all over Fark for the past few weeks.


I'm not using adblock either, and I have noticed the sponsored links will sometimes fail to load anyway. Could just be a server end glitch.
 
2014-06-02 02:22:21 PM  

skeevy420: van1ty: On a side note, don't confuse Mbps with MBps

Why the fark do they even say Mbps when nothing is even measured in megabits?

To piss people off with misleading adverts.  Just like my Unlimited Data Plan from AT&T....technically I have unlimited access to pull data from their towers, only at 10 bucks a gigabyte once my initial 2 are used up...

AT&T Unlimited Plan
Unlimited calls = call as much as you like, no per call or per minute fee
Unlimited messaging = same as above, only with messaging
Unlimited data = 2 gb/month + 10/gb afterwards


So it's unlimited as long as you want to pay for it?

That's actually not too bad, sprint switches to cost/mb for their overage.  I don't recall their rates, but instead of $35 for another 3GB, it would be somewhere around $250.  Fortunately, the tablet I have with them can be set to stop data usage at 75%.  Having wifi available at work and home helps, as long as I turn airplane mode on, then turn wifi back on.  Otherwise it helpfully switches from my wifi to the 3g connection it can make at my home because my wifi is too slow.

/I should actually test the speeds rather just assuming it's a scam to screw the unwitting customers.
//Who am I kidding?
 
2014-06-02 03:08:44 PM  
Actually, for whatever reason the article quickly went to over 1GB of memory used after a few seconds - DRTFA since it caused whole computer to slow down. Is this an add issue or something else? It has happened on a few links off of fark today (and I think that today was the first time it happened?)
 
2014-06-02 03:20:51 PM  
Great, just in time for my entertainment of choice to be throttled down.
 
2014-06-02 03:26:05 PM  

zimbach: Are you running with AdBlock? Lately there's been ads disguised as article links, but they sometimes load on the page at a different time from the rest, as if they come from a different server. If you're blocking ads, you might be seeing them as only a gap.


img.fark.net
 
2014-06-02 03:27:12 PM  

SewerSquirrels: NewWorldDan: I want to redefine my wife to be a supermodel, but that's not going to change who's actually sleeping in my bed.

It might if she heard you say that.


+1
 
2014-06-02 04:05:57 PM  
How about we just just redefining words to make ourselves look good, and use the original meanings, especially when we're talking about technical terms. Broadband is a method of transmitting data, where multiple carriers are used to multiplex multiple signals on one cable:

     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadband

Cable TV and DSL are broadband. Contrast that with baseband, where only one signal can be transmitted on a cable:

     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseband

Broadband is broadband. The speed of the transmission is irrelevant.
 
2014-06-02 04:08:36 PM  

Dadoo: How about we just just redefining words to make ourselves look good, and use the original meanings, especially when we're talking about technical terms. Broadband is a method of transmitting data, where multiple carriers are used to multiplex multiple signals on one cable:

     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadband

Cable TV and DSL are broadband. Contrast that with baseband, where only one signal can be transmitted on a cable:

     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseband

Broadband is broadband. The speed of the transmission is irrelevant.


Forgot to mention: Ethernet is baseband.
 
2014-06-02 04:26:31 PM  

Driedsponge: kroonermanblack: van1ty: On a side note, don't confuse Mbps with MBps

Why the fark do they even say Mbps when nothing is even measured in megabits?

Because confusion means they can promise a and deliver b then say 'nope, you misread, thanks'.

It's not like this matters anyway. Teleco will still say 'speeds as high as' disclaimers mean they can sell you dial up and call it whatever they want, especially since they often only validate on the 'Teleco brand speed test' which miraculously reports speeds 400x faster than other nonpartisan ones.

Citation?  I'm not arguing with you, because I know a few ISP's have been playing games with speedtest in order to get better results than what they typically deliver.  I am just interested to see some data on which ones are more truthful and by how much.


Yeah, it's what they told me when I got my A+ also. It makes sense, MB and Mb sound the same when people say them(Well, pretty close), and as you see, the abbreviations are pretty close, but since you can multiply the MB by 8 to get the Mb, it sounds FAR better, and isn't false advertising.

Don't know if you're gonna find a real citation, though. It's one of those things people know, but it's not like it would be in an ISP's press release.
 
2014-06-02 04:28:57 PM  

kroonermanblack: van1ty: On a side note, don't confuse Mbps with MBps

Why the fark do they even say Mbps when nothing is even measured in megabits?

Because confusion means they can promise a and deliver b then say 'nope, you misread, thanks'.

It's not like this matters anyway. Teleco will still say 'speeds as high as' disclaimers mean they can sell you dial up and call it whatever they want, especially since they often only validate on the 'Teleco brand speed test' which miraculously reports speeds 400x faster than other nonpartisan ones.


Yep. Pisses me off, they have an infinite amount of wiggle room. Comcast works for me, so I'm not gonna switch, since everyone will make the same claim vs. what they can actually deliver. We're farked either way as the customer. I think we'll see a different trend with the rise of Gb service, though. It's really hard to claim 1,000 of something and deliver 15...
 
2014-06-02 05:20:34 PM  

Dadoo: How about we just just redefining words to make ourselves look good, and use the original meanings, especially when we're talking about technical terms. Broadband is a method of transmitting data, where multiple carriers are used to multiplex multiple signals on one cable:

     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadband

Cable TV and DSL are broadband. Contrast that with baseband, where only one signal can be transmitted on a cable:

     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseband

Broadband is broadband. The speed of the transmission is irrelevant.


It's a good thing we don't require people to read articles around here -

'"High-speed broadband Internet" may sound just like a marketing term to attract customers, but the FCC actually sets a definition to what that means.'

They're not defining what broadband is, they are defining what can be sold as "High-Speed Broadband Internet."
 
2014-06-02 06:11:32 PM  
Classic misdirection/sleight of hand by the FCC.
 
2014-06-02 06:34:00 PM  

TheGogmagog: skeevy420: van1ty: On a side note, don't confuse Mbps with MBps

Why the fark do they even say Mbps when nothing is even measured in megabits?

To piss people off with misleading adverts.  Just like my Unlimited Data Plan from AT&T....technically I have unlimited access to pull data from their towers, only at 10 bucks a gigabyte once my initial 2 are used up...

AT&T Unlimited Plan
Unlimited calls = call as much as you like, no per call or per minute fee
Unlimited messaging = same as above, only with messaging
Unlimited data = 2 gb/month + 10/gb afterwards

So it's unlimited as long as you want to pay for it?

That's actually not too bad, sprint switches to cost/mb for their overage.  I don't recall their rates, but instead of $35 for another 3GB, it would be somewhere around $250.  Fortunately, the tablet I have with them can be set to stop data usage at 75%.  Having wifi available at work and home helps, as long as I turn airplane mode on, then turn wifi back on.  Otherwise it helpfully switches from my wifi to the 3g connection it can make at my home because my wifi is too slow.

/I should actually test the speeds rather just assuming it's a scam to screw the unwitting customers.
//Who am I kidding?


Yeah, but they advertise it with 4G speeds while talking about all the streaming music and videos you can do without a problem.  Only problem is 3-6 hours on Netflix/YouTube and you're hitting overage territory.  I just think it's very misleading.

Now my friend who uses straight talk, his plan is the same as mine only once he hits 2GB in data the cut the speed in half (only 3g to begin with), and if he keeps using more it gets cut even more.  It refreshes monthly.

Had another friend with an "unlimited" data plan and they'd get the same cut speed crap, only it would roll over from month to month, so if someone used too much data, they'd be stuck at edge speeds for months on end.

If it were advertised as unlimited access to our network, I wouldn't have a problem.  But the exact words used are "Unlimited Data", which is different than unlimited access.

It would be similar to a bar offering unlimited beer for $20, but then charging $10 a beer once you've had 2.  Well patron, you have access to all the unlimited beer you want, that's what you paid $20 for, but we only accounted for 2 beers per person, so if you want more of that unlimited beer, we require an overage fee for going over our limit of beers per person....
 
2014-06-02 06:54:30 PM  

SMB2811: Dadoo: It's a good thing we don't require people to read articles around here -

'"High-speed broadband Internet" may sound just like a marketing term to attract customers, but the FCC actually sets a definition to what that means.'

They're not defining what broadband is, they are defining what can be sold as "High-Speed Broadband Internet."


I was talking more about how most people, including those who should know better, use the term "broadband" as if it means the same thing as "high-speed", in the context of the Internet. The terms are not the same, and the article only muddies the water further.

Also, by using the term "High-Speed Broadband Internet", the FCC is leaving out (deliberately?), Internet connections that aren't broadband. My company, for instance, connects to our ISP via Ethernet.
 
2014-06-03 05:38:36 AM  
You can go as fast as you want...

But you can only have the maximum throughput of a single 56k modem running flat out every month.

/It's net neutral.
 
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