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(Reuters)   Obviously, the American economy is being destroyed because of people getting $90 a month in food stamps   (reuters.com) divider line 78
    More: Asinine, international relations, Watson Institute, Soviet war in Afghanistan, Iraqis, invasion of Iraq, social costs  
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2014-06-01 09:27:53 AM  
I'd have more respect for the Party of "Fiscal Responsibility" if they spent all that money on things we actually need, like upgrading our failing roads, bridges, and sewers than to piss it all away in the Middle East.

/ fark, even some upgraded railroad tracks here in the PNW would be appreciated...
 
2014-06-01 09:28:54 AM  
"If we had had the foresight to see how long it would last and even if it would have cost half the lives, we would not have gone in," Bucci said

You stupid, arrogant, USELESS motherfarker. fark fark fark fark
 
2014-06-01 09:41:28 AM  
"It was really in Iraq that 'al Qaeda central' died," Bucci said. "They got waxed."


Yeah ISIS is toast.  Anyone heard of them recently?

Whats that?  They didn't exist until after the invasion and now they're taking over neighboring countries and have total freedom of movement in Syria and western Iraq?

F*cking tool.

Voiceofreason01: You stupid, arrogant, USELESS motherfarker. fark fark fark fark


And this.
 
2014-06-01 09:57:54 AM  

Forbidden Doughnut: I'd have more respect for the Party of "Fiscal Responsibility" if they spent all that money on things we actually need, like upgrading our failing roads, bridges, and sewers than to piss it all away in the Middle East.

/ fark, even some upgraded railroad tracks here in the PNW would be appreciated...


I have no problem spending money on foreign policy but I do have a problem when we're pissing money away on stupid, destructive foreign policy. When he says that we wouldn't have gone in if we knew how long we'd be there and how many people would be killed it's like the kid say that he didn't know what would happen when he threw the rock at that window. What, did you think it was going to bounce off?
 
2014-06-01 10:20:23 AM  
Thanks Bush!!!

/and they wonder why my generation votes more democratic.
 
2014-06-01 10:40:32 AM  
$90 a month?  What kind of a living wage is that?
 
2014-06-01 10:47:34 AM  
I wish I could be surprised the American public is gullible enough to fall for it, but I'm not,
 
2014-06-01 10:57:44 AM  
Terrible people doing terrible thing like to justify their actions with BS afterwards. The Bush administration was full of f*cking pieces of shiat - top to bottom, and it is a crime that none of the leadership was tried at The Hague for war crimes. The supporters of the Bush administration are no better. Enablers of war criminals aren't superior to the war criminals.

If only there was a hell.
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2014-06-01 10:58:19 AM  
The GOP exists to move tax dollars from public programs and into the pockets of the 1%.
 
2014-06-01 11:13:07 AM  
Subby flailing = entertainment thread.
 
2014-06-01 11:13:33 AM  

NFA: The GOP exists to move tax dollars from public programs and into the pockets of the 1%.


Well, and kill people. This Bucci sh*tstain, Bush, Cheney and Rice all seem proud of their Iraq "accomplishments"
 
2014-06-01 11:18:32 AM  

The_Forensicator: Subby flailing = entertainment thread.


Yeah, I'm not seeing subby's point either.
Ah well, it's a Sunday.
 
2014-06-01 11:18:36 AM  

Voiceofreason01: When he says that we wouldn't have gone in if we knew how long we'd be there and how many people would be killed it's like the kid say that he didn't know what would happen when he threw the rock at that window


They had no way of know it would be a quagmire. It's not like we've ever had problems invading a technologically inferior country before. And when in the history of the world hasn't occupying and holding Afghanistan not been a cake walk?
 
2014-06-01 11:22:20 AM  

dr_blasto: NFA: The GOP exists to move tax dollars from public programs and into the pockets of the 1%.

Well, and kill people. This Bucci sh*tstain, Bush, Cheney and Rice all seem proud of their Iraq "accomplishments"


I think the bigger draw there is that war is an extremely effective way to move tax dollars into the pockets of the 1%. The killing people is just gravy.
 
2014-06-01 11:25:04 AM  

Mugato: Voiceofreason01: When he says that we wouldn't have gone in if we knew how long we'd be there and how many people would be killed it's like the kid say that he didn't know what would happen when he threw the rock at that window

They had no way of know it would be a quagmire. It's not like we've ever had problems invading a technologically inferior country before. And when in the history of the world hasn't occupying and holding Afghanistan not been a cake walk?


I have it on good authority that we'll be out of there in six weeks, maybe six months. They will welcome us as liberators. Or is that Iraq? Anyway, no possible problems, and we don't have to put it in the budget either, because.
 
2014-06-01 11:26:42 AM  

Mugato: Voiceofreason01: When he says that we wouldn't have gone in if we knew how long we'd be there and how many people would be killed it's like the kid say that he didn't know what would happen when he threw the rock at that window

They had no way of know it would be a quagmire. It's not like we've ever had problems invading a technologically inferior country before. And when in the history of the world hasn't occupying and holding Afghanistan not been a cake walk?


Right. If only someone had said publicly - before Congress, perhaps? - that it would take a large commitment of troops and money. I'm sure the Bush Administration wouldn't have turned on someone who did that or forced them from their position as Army Chief of Staff. But no one said anything, so you can hardly blame the Bush Administration for not listening to something no one said, eh?
 
2014-06-01 11:29:17 AM  

Forbidden Doughnut: I'd have more respect for the Party of "Fiscal Responsibility" if they spent all that money on things we actually need, like upgrading our failing roads, bridges, and sewers than to piss it all away in the Middle East.

/ fark, even some upgraded railroad tracks here in the PNW would be appreciated...


Well let's see.

The Democrats forced through an 800 billion "stimulus" bill and touted rebuilding infrastructure as a key part of the project.

How much was used for that? A whopping 3%.
 
2014-06-01 11:35:19 AM  

Animatronik: Well let's see.

The Democrats forced through an 800 billion "stimulus" bill and touted rebuilding infrastructure as a key part of the project.

How much was used for that? A whopping 3%.


Citation Needed.
 
2014-06-01 11:37:42 AM  

Forbidden Doughnut: than to piss it all away in the Middle East.


Oh, but it wasn't pissed away. It ended up in the bank accounts of Bush family business partners, Cheney business partners, Rumsfeld business partners...etc...

You look at the Iraq war as a failure, but it wasn't.

It was the most successful robbery ever pulled off.

Cash piled onto palettes, loaded into helicopters, flown into a war zone and never seen again.
 
2014-06-01 11:39:19 AM  

NFA: The GOP exists to move tax dollars from public programs and into the pockets of the 1%.


More like the .1%

But if we just cut NPR, Planned Parenthood, Head Start and VA benefits we can make it all up. We good now?
 
2014-06-01 11:41:03 AM  

Animatronik: Forbidden Doughnut: I'd have more respect for the Party of "Fiscal Responsibility" if they spent all that money on things we actually need, like upgrading our failing roads, bridges, and sewers than to piss it all away in the Middle East.

/ fark, even some upgraded railroad tracks here in the PNW would be appreciated...

Well let's see.

The Democrats forced through an 800 billion "stimulus" bill and touted rebuilding infrastructure as a key part of the project.

How much was used for that? A whopping 3%.


A third of that was tax cuts. It should have trickled down.
 
2014-06-01 11:42:31 AM  
"If we had had the foresight to see how long it would last and even if it would have cost half the lives, we would not have gone in," Bucci said. "Just the time alone would have been enough to stop us. Everyone thought it would be short."


God,  what a farking asshole.
 
2014-06-01 11:42:42 AM  
Dibs on hitting the lever when we finally get Cheney and his minions into guillotines.
 
2014-06-01 11:43:50 AM  
Sometimes I think the best thing for the global economy would be a kraken interrupting shipping. Ricardo's law assumes that each nation has the same wages, but we've leveled the playing field with nations that can get labor to do jobs that should have been done by robots here for years.

Uggh, economic event horizons... I really should figure out my own hedge and stop caring. The only way we get the jobs to match our consumerism is to make shipping expensive without making energy costs too high to maintain what we have. Perhaps the idea of a global economy is just farked in the long run, too big to maintain. Or perhaps ebola can pop up in Asia and thin their population to the extent that their labor costs are in line with western labor costs.

The things we love, coffee and tea and chocolate and rubber, keep poor people working for next to nothing. Then a textile factory opens and pays slightly more than nothing. Somehow we need to convince those people to go back to nothing.
 
2014-06-01 11:44:43 AM  
fark you, right wingers.  fark you in your hypocritical lying asses.
 
2014-06-01 11:44:50 AM  
Lalalalalala I can't hear you is what I was told. I was heavily into Xanga the original blogging site from 2004-2009 and insisted to conservatives that the war in Iraq was going to cost over a trillion, back when a trillion used to mean something. Now it's over 6 trillion including interest and health insurance.
 
2014-06-01 11:45:30 AM  

Fart_Machine: A third of that was tax cuts. It should have trickled down.


I'm still waiting for him to cite his numbers, because if that's the case I'd like to know where the money came from for a 10 year "modernization" project of I40 through shelby county which added 30 minutes to my 10 minute work commute three days a week.
 
2014-06-01 11:45:33 AM  
The worst part is eventually the rich get that $90 anyway -- it's not like the poor people are using it to buy Krugerrands to bury under the lanai. That $90 gets spent and then it's just a matter of counting how many steps until it becomes a single sheet of mink toilet paper at Walton Manor.
 
2014-06-01 11:47:08 AM  

Animatronik: The Democrats forced through an 800 billion "stimulus" bill and touted rebuilding infrastructure as a key part of the project.


Wasn't that the same stimulus in which tax cuts made up more than 1/3 of it?

economyleague.org

You're not making the point you want to, in fact you're just proving how ineffective tax cuts can be.
 
2014-06-01 11:47:14 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: The worst part is eventually the rich get that $90 anyway -- it's not like the poor people are using it to buy Krugerrands to bury under the lanai. That $90 gets spent and then it's just a matter of counting how many steps until it becomes a single sheet of mink toilet paper at Walton Manor.


It's a very few short steps. Why do you think Walmart got into the grocery business?
 
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2014-06-01 11:47:46 AM  

wildcardjack: Sometimes I think the best thing for the global economy would be a kraken interrupting shipping. Ricardo's law assumes that each nation has the same wages, but we've leveled the playing field with nations that can get labor to do jobs that should have been done by robots here for years.


The problem with that is that the productivity of the robots wouldn't go to the people they replace, it would be owned by the people who  own the robots.  The people who used to do the jobs done by the robots would starve if it were up to the people who run the economy now.
 
2014-06-01 11:48:30 AM  

Forbidden Doughnut: I'd have more respect for the Party of "Fiscal Responsibility" if they spent all that money on things we actually need, like upgrading our failing roads, bridges, and sewers than to piss it all away in the Middle East.

/ fark, even some upgraded railroad tracks here in the PNW would be appreciated...


Yeah, but there's brown people there with oil!

Priorities, man!
 
2014-06-01 11:49:17 AM  
Why does Reuters hate our troops?
 
2014-06-01 11:51:01 AM  

Animatronik: The Democrats forced through an 800 billion "stimulus" bill


Explain to me how it was "forced through"
 
2014-06-01 11:51:14 AM  
Today we learned that the Recovery Act was solely comprised of $800billion in infrastructure spending, and only 3% of that was spent. The remaining 97% presumably ending up in landfills or something.
 
2014-06-01 11:53:36 AM  

Doktor_Zhivago: Yeah ISIS is toast.  Anyone heard of them recently?


I'm pretty sure ISIS is still a thing...

i.imgur.com

/phrasing?
 
2014-06-01 11:54:56 AM  

vpb: wildcardjack: Sometimes I think the best thing for the global economy would be a kraken interrupting shipping. Ricardo's law assumes that each nation has the same wages, but we've leveled the playing field with nations that can get labor to do jobs that should have been done by robots here for years.

The problem with that is that the productivity of the robots wouldn't go to the people they replace, it would be owned by the people who  own the robots.  The people who used to do the jobs done by the robots would starve if it were up to the people who run the economy now.


No, no. I think it's perfectly reasonable to assume that someone who works in a rubber factory for next to nothing will be easily retrained to build or maintain the robot that replaced them. See? It creates jobs!
 
2014-06-01 11:55:31 AM  

hardinparamedic: Fart_Machine: A third of that was tax cuts. It should have trickled down.

I'm still waiting for him to cite his numbers, because if that's the case I'd like to know where the money came from for a 10 year "modernization" project of I40 through shelby county which added 30 minutes to my 10 minute work commute three days a week.


St. Louis also got a new bridge crossing the Mississippi River out of it (after being on the drawing board for 20+ years), relieving traffic on the current bridge.

Can't really complain about the stimulus, expect for maybe the tax cut portion was useless.
 
2014-06-01 11:56:06 AM  

Voiceofreason01: "If we had had the foresight to see how long it would last and even if it would have cost half the lives, we would not have gone in," Bucci said

You stupid, arrogant, USELESS motherfarker. fark fark fark fark


  "Just the time alone would have been enough to stop us. Everyone thought it would be short."

farking hell. NOT EVERYONE.

" military assistant to former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld in the run-up to the war and today a senior fellow at the Heritage Foundation "

There's nothing good about this sentence.
 
2014-06-01 11:56:40 AM  

vpb: wildcardjack: Sometimes I think the best thing for the global economy would be a kraken interrupting shipping. Ricardo's law assumes that each nation has the same wages, but we've leveled the playing field with nations that can get labor to do jobs that should have been done by robots here for years.

The problem with that is that the productivity of the robots wouldn't go to the people they replace, it would be owned by the people who  own the robots.  The people who used to do the jobs done by the robots would starve if it were up to the people who run the economy now.


So... Are we looking at a future where we need to seize the robotic means of production in order to distribute the goods to the masses? And Skynet runs the Republican party?

/Robotic Communism
//sounds like an album title
 
2014-06-01 11:58:37 AM  

Doktor_Zhivago: "It was really in Iraq that 'al Qaeda central' died," Bucci said. "They got waxed."


Yeah ISIS is toast.  Anyone heard of them recently?

Whats that?  They didn't exist until after the invasion and now they're taking over neighboring countries and have total freedom of movement in Syria and western Iraq?

F*cking tool.

Voiceofreason01: You stupid, arrogant, USELESS motherfarker. fark fark fark fark

And this.


That's incredible. Al Quida farking didn't exist in Iraq.

How the hell does anyone make such a claim!?
 
2014-06-01 11:58:39 AM  

Animatronik: The Democrats forced through an 800 billion "stimulus" bill


You're right.  The Democrats should've been smart enough to realize that tax cuts aren't all that stimulative.  But, they passed the giant 2009 Obama tax cut anyways.

I mean, if even right wingnuts can admit that the largest tax cut in American history didn't do a very good job of stimulating the economy, the whole trickle-down theory ought to be discarded, right?  Right?
 
2014-06-01 11:59:06 AM  
Hmm, can't seem to find the actual study anywhere.  This is something I'd like to read.
 
2014-06-01 12:00:53 PM  

eraser8: Doktor_Zhivago: Yeah ISIS is toast.  Anyone heard of them recently?

I'm pretty sure ISIS is still a thing...



/phrasing?


Not after season 4.
 
2014-06-01 12:06:08 PM  

propasaurus: Today we learned that the Recovery Act was solely comprised of $800billion in infrastructure spending, and only 3% of that was spent. The remaining 97% presumably ending up in landfills or something.


I heard Obama spent most of it on a big hip hop bbq that had gold plated watermelons to eat.
 
2014-06-01 12:08:13 PM  

Fart_Machine: eraser8: Doktor_Zhivago: Yeah ISIS is toast.  Anyone heard of them recently?

I'm pretty sure ISIS is still a thing...

/phrasing?

Not after season 4.


They're going back to ISIS next season.
 
2014-06-01 12:09:54 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: propasaurus: Today we learned that the Recovery Act was solely comprised of $800billion in infrastructure spending, and only 3% of that was spent. The remaining 97% presumably ending up in landfills or something.

I heard Obama spent most of it on a big hip hop bbq that had gold plated watermelons to eat.


I suppose $800billion is just a 2-day vacation for Moochelle.
 
2014-06-01 12:10:44 PM  
You wouldn't think that sparking sectarian violence to put a country on the precipice of all-out civil war would cost 2T.
 
2014-06-01 12:15:12 PM  

soseussme: Anyway, no possible problems, and we don't have to put it in the budget either, because.


in the battle for most contemptible things bush did this ranks way up there in the top three. lying us into iraq is far and away number one.
 
2014-06-01 12:17:59 PM  

PanicMan: Voiceofreason01: "If we had had the foresight to see how long it would last and even if it would have cost half the lives, we would not have gone in," Bucci said

You stupid, arrogant, USELESS motherfarker. fark fark fark fark

  "Just the time alone would have been enough to stop us. Everyone thought it would be short."

farking hell. NOT EVERYONE.

" military assistant to former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld in the run-up to the war and today a senior fellow at the Heritage Foundation "

There's nothing good about this sentence.


shiat, not even Rumsfeld thought this.  He authored a report during the 1st Gulf War successfully predicting what a cluster fark an Iraqi occupatin would be.
 
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