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2014-06-01 03:05:28 AM  
In other news, the sun rose this morning.
 
2014-06-01 08:26:52 AM  
Hope FIFA mans up and takes it away from Qatar.
 
2014-06-01 08:30:53 AM  
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2014-06-01 08:33:19 AM  

spawn73: Hope FIFA mans up and takes it away from Qatar.


It will only happen after those who took the bribes have finally retired and then the new FIFA members will be shocked to discover that Qatar is not the place to host a summer World Cup (and after the leagues world wide have handed in the compensation claims for farking with their fixture calaenders) and hand it over to the US/UK/Germany with a year to go.
 
2014-06-01 08:40:11 AM  

spawn73: Hope FIFA mans up and takes it away from Qatar.


It won't happen. They'll just f*ck up the schedule of every single European league by moving it to winter. And trust me, the leagues in England, France, Germany, Spain, Norway, Italy, Sweden, Portugal, Finland, the Netherlands, Belgium, Ireland, Greece and everywhere else are gonna be pissed.
 
2014-06-01 08:51:17 AM  

Langston: spawn73: Hope FIFA mans up and takes it away from Qatar.

It won't happen. They'll just f*ck up the schedule of every single European league by moving it to winter. And trust me, the leagues in England, France, Germany, Spain, Norway, Italy, Sweden, Portugal, Finland, the Netherlands, Belgium, Ireland, Greece and everywhere else are gonna be pissed.


England is the only nation that plays during the winter actually.

But it'll fark other events up. The USA market in particular, which is extremely important, and even more so in 2022 I am sure with a generation there now growing up understanding the concept of soccer.

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Qatar promised airconditioners in the stadium. Those not being present ought to be enough to just yank it away from them.
 
2014-06-01 08:52:26 AM  

Norfolking Chance: spawn73: Hope FIFA mans up and takes it away from Qatar.

It will only happen after those who took the bribes have finally retired and then the new FIFA members will be shocked to discover that Qatar is not the place to host a summer World Cup (and after the leagues world wide have handed in the compensation claims for farking with their fixture calaenders) and hand it over to the US/UK/Germany with a year to go.


The longer they wait, the harder it will be. Since Qatar will rightfully whine about all those stadiums their slave workers build for them, that they didn't get to use.
 
2014-06-01 08:52:37 AM  
If FIFA wants to remain credible....they will move WC 2022 from Qatar.

Intl athletic organizations need to stop appeasing Third Worlders and muslim whackjob nations. IOC having major problems w 2016 Olympics in Rio
 
2014-06-01 09:01:32 AM  

Norfolking Chance: spawn73: Hope FIFA mans up and takes it away from Qatar.

It will only happen after those who took the bribes have finally retired and then the new FIFA members will be shocked to discover that Qatar is not the place to host a summer World Cup (and after the leagues world wide have handed in the compensation claims for farking with their fixture calaenders) and hand it over to the US/UK/Germany with a year to go.


The US is the only nation out of those three that could hold it on short notice.
 
2014-06-01 09:12:26 AM  

FloridaFarkTag: If FIFA wants to remain credible....they will move WC 2022 from Qatar.

Intl athletic organizations need to stop appeasing Third Worlders and muslim whackjob nations. IOC having major problems w 2016 Olympics in Rio


The have a monopoly. They have no need to be seen as credible.
 
2014-06-01 09:13:48 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: The US is the only nation out of those three that could hold it on short notice.


Ok why couldn't UK and Germany do it? All the stadiums are built and they have the infrastructure.
 
2014-06-01 09:14:28 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Norfolking Chance: spawn73: Hope FIFA mans up and takes it away from Qatar.

It will only happen after those who took the bribes have finally retired and then the new FIFA members will be shocked to discover that Qatar is not the place to host a summer World Cup (and after the leagues world wide have handed in the compensation claims for farking with their fixture calaenders) and hand it over to the US/UK/Germany with a year to go.

The US is the only nation out of those three that could hold it on short notice.


The US is also the only nation out of those three that should be able to host, considering the 2018 WC is planned to be in Russia.

Though I would love to see the US get it, I'd also be satisfied if Australia (which Qatar beat in the bid for Asia/Oceania) got a chance to host.
 
2014-06-01 09:27:14 AM  

Halli: Mid_mo_mad_man: The US is the only nation out of those three that could hold it on short notice.

Ok why couldn't UK and Germany do it? All the stadiums are built and they have the infrastructure.


The only thing probably preventing them, is that once a confederation has hosted the WC, it has to sit out for two cycles. Russia is having it in 2018, so the next time UEFA could host is 2030.
 
2014-06-01 09:27:49 AM  

Halli: Mid_mo_mad_man: The US is the only nation out of those three that could hold it on short notice.

Ok why couldn't UK and Germany do it? All the stadiums are built and they have the infrastructure.


You do know that the Uk isn't a nation for WC purposes? Unless you want them to get multiple bids? The biggest nation on that island is England. Which doesn't have enough arenas that fit FIFA regs. Germany might but they would have more scheduling issues then the USA. If they pulled it now then pretty much any first world country could host. Pull it six months away? Then the USA is the only viable option.
 
2014-06-01 09:28:46 AM  
 
2014-06-01 09:33:02 AM  

Halli: Ok why couldn't UK and Germany do it? All the stadiums are built and they have the infrastructure.


Spot on.

During the 2012 Olympics, the football matches were shared out across Britain, and I got to see Honduras defeat Spain (epic match) and the women's USA team win against New Zealand (woefully under-attended, but good performance) here in St James' Park.  And the 2015 Rugby World Cup is on the way - we're really looking forward to seeing the All Blacks against Tonga right here in Newcastle upon Tyne.

As the natives here say, FIFA World Cup would be easy-peasy
 
2014-06-01 09:42:48 AM  
Until Sepp is caught dead with 3 hookers while auto ephixiating himself, its going to be in Qatar. Plus I read this morning Qatar is in the running for the next available summer Olympic games. You know the IOC wants that sweet oil bribe money.
 
2014-06-01 09:46:56 AM  

texanb4: Halli: Ok why couldn't UK and Germany do it? All the stadiums are built and they have the infrastructure.

Spot on.

During the 2012 Olympics, the football matches were shared out across Britain, and I got to see Honduras defeat Spain (epic match) and the women's USA team win against New Zealand (woefully under-attended, but good performance) here in St James' Park.  And the 2015 Rugby World Cup is on the way - we're really looking forward to seeing the All Blacks against Tonga right here in Newcastle upon Tyne.

As the natives here say, FIFA World Cup would be easy-peasy


If you look like at stadium capacities in UK there's actually not enough per FIFA rules. And that's with having multiple venues in London. Texas alone has more venues available at moments notice then the UK
 
2014-06-01 09:50:30 AM  
I thought that it was pretty much an open secret that FIFA gave the World Cup to Qatar on the condition that Muhammad bin Hammam would not run aginst Sepp Blatter for FIFA president. Now that bin Hammam tried to run aginst Blatter he got the ban hammer and FIFA is looking for ways to move the World Cup.
 
2014-06-01 10:08:28 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: texanb4: Halli: Ok why couldn't UK and Germany do it? All the stadiums are built and they have the infrastructure.

Spot on.

During the 2012 Olympics, the football matches were shared out across Britain, and I got to see Honduras defeat Spain (epic match) and the women's USA team win against New Zealand (woefully under-attended, but good performance) here in St James' Park.  And the 2015 Rugby World Cup is on the way - we're really looking forward to seeing the All Blacks against Tonga right here in Newcastle upon Tyne.

As the natives here say, FIFA World Cup would be easy-peasy

If you look like at stadium capacities in UK there's actually not enough per FIFA rules. And that's with having multiple venues in London. Texas alone has more venues available at moments notice then the UK


Wembley : 90,000
Twickenham : 82,000
Old Trafford : 75,700
Millennium Stadium : 74,500
Celtic Park : 60,800
St James' Park : 52,400

vs

Estadio do Maracana : 73,500
Estadio Nacional : 70,000
Estadio Mineirao : 62,000
Areana Fonte Nova : 48,700
Arean Pantanal : 42,900
Areana de Amazonia : 42,370

A joint UK bid has a higher capacity modern stadiums than the Brazil bid with a track record thanks to the London Olympics of hosting a modern world class sporting event. Most of those Texas venues might have the capacity but are not in the same league when it comes to facilities at the stadiums and near them.
 
2014-06-01 10:09:52 AM  
Sunil Gulati reportedly became so disgusted with FIFA and the voting process after the Quatari election that he vowed not to enter US Soccer in future bids until they get rid of secret votes. I don't think we'll be seeing the WC in the US for a while.
 
2014-06-01 10:10:40 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: You do know that the Uk isn't a nation for WC purposes? Unless you want them to get multiple bids?


Well you said UK first. My brain just didn't correct it to England.

Mid_mo_mad_man: he biggest nation on that island is England. Which doesn't have enough arenas that fit FIFA regs.


They would have to barely get a few over 40k.

Mid_mo_mad_man: Germany might but they would have more scheduling issues then the USA. If they pulled it now then pretty much any first world country could host. Pull it six months away? Then the USA is the only viable option.


Germany hosted in 2006. I don't see a reason they couldn't do it. Other than that stupid rule about sitting out two tournaments.
 
2014-06-01 10:11:04 AM  
I forgot to add if you make it a British Isle's bid you can add in Croke Park in Dublin at 82,000. I'm sure the GAA would love the cash that a World Cup venue would bring.
 
2014-06-01 10:15:42 AM  
Wouldn't one of the problems with a joint UK bid be that four teams would automatically qualify as hosts. Where do the three lost bids come from?
 
2014-06-01 10:26:17 AM  

Ring of Fire: Wouldn't one of the problems with a joint UK bid be that four teams would automatically qualify as hosts. Where do the three lost bids come from?


Get rid of some the play in bids. Which means someone like Mexico wouldn't make it.
 
2014-06-01 10:26:25 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: If you look like at stadium capacities in UK there's actually not enough per FIFA rules.


Yeah, I know, but I was assuming a joint bid, as said by Norfolking Chance

The better half is a native Northside Dub, and we'd also love to see some of the action farmed out to Croke Park!
 
2014-06-01 10:31:02 AM  

Halli: Mid_mo_mad_man: You do know that the Uk isn't a nation for WC purposes? Unless you want them to get multiple bids?

Well you said UK first. My brain just didn't correct it to England.

Mid_mo_mad_man: he biggest nation on that island is England. Which doesn't have enough arenas that fit FIFA regs.

They would have to barely get a few over 40k.

Mid_mo_mad_man: Germany might but they would have more scheduling issues then the USA. If they pulled it now then pretty much any first world country could host. Pull it six months away? Then the USA is the only viable option.

Germany hosted in 2006. I don't see a reason they couldn't do it. Other than that stupid rule about sitting out two tournaments.


It's like I said earlier most of first world could host it if FIFA pulled out in time. If it's a last second thing thou the USA is clearly the best choice.
 
2014-06-01 10:32:04 AM  

Ring of Fire: Wouldn't one of the problems with a joint UK bid be that four teams would automatically qualify as hosts. Where do the three lost bids come from?


Good point.  I admit, I hadn't gotten that far ahead.  But if Ireland and Northern Ireland can unite and produce kick-ass Rugby, I believe that this could also be worked out.

I'm just sick and tired of the horrible news coming out of Qatar, and this latest bribery story (surprised? NOT) convinces me that there must be a change of venue.
 
2014-06-01 10:32:55 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Halli: Mid_mo_mad_man: You do know that the Uk isn't a nation for WC purposes? Unless you want them to get multiple bids?

Well you said UK first. My brain just didn't correct it to England.

Mid_mo_mad_man: he biggest nation on that island is England. Which doesn't have enough arenas that fit FIFA regs.

They would have to barely get a few over 40k.

Mid_mo_mad_man: Germany might but they would have more scheduling issues then the USA. If they pulled it now then pretty much any first world country could host. Pull it six months away? Then the USA is the only viable option.

Germany hosted in 2006. I don't see a reason they couldn't do it. Other than that stupid rule about sitting out two tournaments.

It's like I said earlier most of first world could host it if FIFA pulled out in time. If it's a last second thing thou the USA is clearly the best choice.


Why?
 
2014-06-01 10:33:15 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: If it's a last second thing thou the USA is clearly the best choice.


Agree - def easiest choice.
 
2014-06-01 10:37:20 AM  

spawn73: Langston: spawn73: Hope FIFA mans up and takes it away from Qatar.

It won't happen. They'll just f*ck up the schedule of every single European league by moving it to winter. And trust me, the leagues in England, France, Germany, Spain, Norway, Italy, Sweden, Portugal, Finland, the Netherlands, Belgium, Ireland, Greece and everywhere else are gonna be pissed.

England is the only nation that plays during the winter actually.

But it'll fark other events up. The USA market in particular, which is extremely important, and even more so in 2022 I am sure with a generation there now growing up understanding the concept of soccer.

---

Qatar promised airconditioners in the stadium. Those not being present ought to be enough to just yank it away from them.


If I owned the US broadcast rights to WC 2022 and it's move to fall/winter I'm suing. The WC being in summer is critical to it's value in the USA market
 
2014-06-01 10:44:56 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: spawn73: Langston: spawn73: Hope FIFA mans up and takes it away from Qatar.

It won't happen. They'll just f*ck up the schedule of every single European league by moving it to winter. And trust me, the leagues in England, France, Germany, Spain, Norway, Italy, Sweden, Portugal, Finland, the Netherlands, Belgium, Ireland, Greece and everywhere else are gonna be pissed.

England is the only nation that plays during the winter actually.

But it'll fark other events up. The USA market in particular, which is extremely important, and even more so in 2022 I am sure with a generation there now growing up understanding the concept of soccer.

---

Qatar promised airconditioners in the stadium. Those not being present ought to be enough to just yank it away from them.

If I owned the US broadcast rights to WC 2022 and it's move to fall/winter I'm suing. The WC being in summer is critical to it's value in the USA market


Indeed.

And we know how money talks, at least to FIFA. ;)
 
2014-06-01 10:45:26 AM  
As long as you keep watching, things won't change.
 
2014-06-01 10:51:23 AM  

Halli: Mid_mo_mad_man: Halli: Mid_mo_mad_man: You do know that the Uk isn't a nation for WC purposes? Unless you want them to get multiple bids?

Well you said UK first. My brain just didn't correct it to England.

Mid_mo_mad_man: he biggest nation on that island is England. Which doesn't have enough arenas that fit FIFA regs.

They would have to barely get a few over 40k.

Mid_mo_mad_man: Germany might but they would have more scheduling issues then the USA. If they pulled it now then pretty much any first world country could host. Pull it six months away? Then the USA is the only viable option.

Germany hosted in 2006. I don't see a reason they couldn't do it. Other than that stupid rule about sitting out two tournaments.

It's like I said earlier most of first world could host it if FIFA pulled out in time. If it's a last second thing thou the USA is clearly the best choice.

Why?


Well for starters we wouldn't need to expand or build a single staduim. We have 150 +/- (FBS plus most NFL stadiums) potential venues for hosting matches. The cities with the venues are use to crowds of vistors. Security wouldn't be any different then a football game. Plus they are completely unused in the mid summer. Each with excellent athletic training centers
 
2014-06-01 10:58:00 AM  

spawn73: Mid_mo_mad_man: spawn73: Langston: spawn73: Hope FIFA mans up and takes it away from Qatar.

It won't happen. They'll just f*ck up the schedule of every single European league by moving it to winter. And trust me, the leagues in England, France, Germany, Spain, Norway, Italy, Sweden, Portugal, Finland, the Netherlands, Belgium, Ireland, Greece and everywhere else are gonna be pissed.

England is the only nation that plays during the winter actually.

But it'll fark other events up. The USA market in particular, which is extremely important, and even more so in 2022 I am sure with a generation there now growing up understanding the concept of soccer.

---

Qatar promised airconditioners in the stadium. Those not being present ought to be enough to just yank it away from them.

If I owned the US broadcast rights to WC 2022 and it's move to fall/winter I'm suing. The WC being in summer is critical to it's value in the USA market

Indeed.

And we know how money talks, at least to FIFA. ;)


I Googled it and Fox has the rights. That means that a fall or winter WC would run the same time as football. That's definitely not what they wanted. They most likely wouldn't have bid on it if knew that.
 
2014-06-01 11:26:58 AM  

Norfolking Chance: Wembley : 90,000
Twickenham : 82,000
Old Trafford : 75,700
Millennium Stadium : 74,500
Celtic Park : 60,800

St James' Park : 52,400


If the UK national teams weren't split into England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland; you could do that. But the crossed out stadiums aren't in England so they can't be included.
 
2014-06-01 11:31:59 AM  
I'm gonna wait out and see how Rio does. If it turns into an unmitigated disaster as many of us (hopefully) fear, we're gonna look at some serious no-confidence votes.

Also, are there people here who REALLY think the Euro leagues are just gonna lie down and let FIFA mess up their domestic schedules? That's kinda like those people who said LeBron would definitely go to the Knicks kos that was where the money is. Bollocks. You can have all the money all you want but if you don't have any serious infrastructure, no one's gonna bite. Qatar has no idea how boned it is especially when the human rights come to light. It'll probably get the India Treatment.
 
2014-06-01 11:34:46 AM  

spawn73: Langston: spawn73: Hope FIFA mans up and takes it away from Qatar.

But it'll fark other events up. The USA market in particular, which is extremely important, and even more so in 2022 I am sure with a generation there now growing up understanding the concept of soccer


Is this the fifth or sixth generation of Americans who "understand the concept of soccer" and will grow up to surely be avid soccer fans?
 
2014-06-01 11:36:47 AM  

Lost Thought 00: FloridaFarkTag: If FIFA wants to remain credible....they will move WC 2022 from Qatar.

Intl athletic organizations need to stop appeasing Third Worlders and muslim whackjob nations. IOC having major problems w 2016 Olympics in Rio

The have a monopoly. They have no need to be seen as credible.


Correct...unfortunately

Surprised that nations do not drag FIFA into their court systems to address bribes. Larger Euro nations would be hard to bully by FIFA if they did this
 
2014-06-01 11:38:08 AM  
Mid_mo_mad_man:

Germany hosted in 2006. I don't see a reason they couldn't do it. Other than that stupid rule about sitting out two tournaments.

It's like I said earlier most of first world could host it if FIFA pulled out in time. If it's a last second thing thou the USA is clearly the best choice.


I dunno, depends on your perspective.
"last second" would really mean "at least a year in advance" as FIFA will NOT wait into 2022 to make a decision to relocate. It would be made during the previous summer at the latest.
In that case Germany would for sure be able solve the logistics to host, and I would hope they get it instead of the US.
Like me, most of the soccer fan base is located in Europe, and (for us) Germany is just a helluva lot more convenient - normal game start times, much less travel involved etc.
I loved getting up at 2:00 AM to watch my team on TV during the 1994 WC; but I was in school back then and could afford to sleep in. Plus, with the extended number of teams (and games) you have today you are pretty much forced to schedule some games in the evening, local time.
Also, my team's group schedule went LA to DET to SF, which for anyone following them around meant getting airborne. On the other hand in Germany you can drive from Munich (south) all the way to Hamburg (north) in seven hours.

On the other hand tournaments hosted in Europe (or places like South Africa) still mean American fans get daytime matches.

It's not all about the number of stadiums.
 
2014-06-01 11:45:30 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Halli: Mid_mo_mad_man: Halli: Mid_mo_mad_man: You do know that the Uk isn't a nation for WC purposes? Unless you want them to get multiple bids?

Well you said UK first. My brain just didn't correct it to England.

Mid_mo_mad_man: he biggest nation on that island is England. Which doesn't have enough arenas that fit FIFA regs.

They would have to barely get a few over 40k.

Mid_mo_mad_man: Germany might but they would have more scheduling issues then the USA. If they pulled it now then pretty much any first world country could host. Pull it six months away? Then the USA is the only viable option.

Germany hosted in 2006. I don't see a reason they couldn't do it. Other than that stupid rule about sitting out two tournaments.

It's like I said earlier most of first world could host it if FIFA pulled out in time. If it's a last second thing thou the USA is clearly the best choice.

Why?

Well for starters we wouldn't need to expand or build a single staduim. We have 150 +/- (FBS plus most NFL stadiums) potential venues for hosting matches. The cities with the venues are use to crowds of vistors. Security wouldn't be any different then a football game. Plus they are completely unused in the mid summer. Each with excellent athletic training centers


True...and the US has plenty of other facilities for training and conditioning...and can get ready short notice

If FIFA approves Field Turf (which is more likely now)....Canada could also host short notice. One thing they have over US is all their gridiron fields are large enough for soccer (USA venues in 94 had fields not reg size)
 
2014-06-01 11:46:03 AM  

Champion of the Sun: spawn73: Langston: spawn73: Hope FIFA mans up and takes it away from Qatar.

But it'll fark other events up. The USA market in particular, which is extremely important, and even more so in 2022 I am sure with a generation there now growing up understanding the concept of soccer

Is this the fifth or sixth generation of Americans who "understand the concept of soccer" and will grow up to surely be avid soccer fans?


The Hispanics already are rabid fans.  Wednesday's Mexico friendly on a Spanish channel easily beat the Stanley Cup semifinal in the TV ratings.  And the last USA-Mexico friendly the Spanish channel absolutely thrashed ESPN in the ratings.
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2014/05/30/mexico-vs-israel-friendl y- on-unimas-delivers-2-9-million-total-viewers-outperforms-nhl-conferenc e-finals/269012/
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2014/04/04/usa-vs-mexico-friendly-o n- unimas-delivers-3-9-million-viewers-and-outperforms-espn-by-triple-dig its/251245/

It's growing quite a bit slower for non-Hispanics.  As popular as soccer is for the little kiddies there hasn't been as much success in getting kids to stick with it, but that's slowly changing, and could accelerate big time if some of the more dire predictions on the NFL head injury issues come to pass.
 
2014-06-01 11:47:16 AM  

neaorin: Mid_mo_mad_man:

Germany hosted in 2006. I don't see a reason they couldn't do it. Other than that stupid rule about sitting out two tournaments.

It's like I said earlier most of first world could host it if FIFA pulled out in time. If it's a last second thing thou the USA is clearly the best choice.

I dunno, depends on your perspective.
"last second" would really mean "at least a year in advance" as FIFA will NOT wait into 2022 to make a decision to relocate. It would be made during the previous summer at the latest.
In that case Germany would for sure be able solve the logistics to host, and I would hope they get it instead of the US.
Like me, most of the soccer fan base is located in Europe, and (for us) Germany is just a helluva lot more convenient - normal game start times, much less travel involved etc.
I loved getting up at 2:00 AM to watch my team on TV during the 1994 WC; but I was in school back then and could afford to sleep in. Plus, with the extended number of teams (and games) you have today you are pretty much forced to schedule some games in the evening, local time.
Also, my team's group schedule went LA to DET to SF, which for anyone following them around meant getting airborne. On the other hand in Germany you can drive from Munich (south) all the way to Hamburg (north) in seven hours.

On the other hand tournaments hosted in Europe (or places like South Africa) still mean American fans get daytime matches.

It's not all about the number of stadiums.


Actually the fans are in the US. The USA is the largest buyer of tickets for 2014 after Brazil. The 1994 Cup was the most watched and attended Cup. Despite having fewer matches. It is the most profitable Cup in history.
 
2014-06-01 11:47:27 AM  

desertgeek: Norfolking Chance: Wembley : 90,000
Twickenham : 82,000
Old Trafford : 75,700
Millennium Stadium : 74,500
Celtic Park : 60,800
St James' Park : 52,400

If the UK national teams weren't split into England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland; you could do that. But the crossed out stadiums aren't in England so they can't be included.


Why not? If its understood that only England qualify as hosts then i don't expect the Welsh RFU (and if you replace Celtic Park with Murrayfield the Scottish RFU) to care that the Welsh and Scottish football teams had to qualify like every one else.

Or if you want a pure England then you could go with this list

Wembley : 90,000
Twickenham : 82,000
Old Trafford : 75,700
St James' Park : 52,400
Stadium of Light : 49,000
Anfield : 45,500

Still better than the current Brazilian list and if you didn't mind a third London venue the Emirates : 60,300 or two Manchester venues the Etihad : 47,000.

But this does bring up an interesting point. The world cup qualifying for Qatar would start 2 years before in 2020 so if the World Cup gets pulled after the qualifying starts what happens to the Qatar team? They may not be able to enter the qualifying rounds so would they still go as "hosts" while the hosts have to still qualify or would USA/England/Germany etc go in as hosts and screw up the qualifying for their region?

All in all this needs to get decided before 2020 to be realistic
 
2014-06-01 11:48:13 AM  

Champion of the Sun: spawn73: Langston: spawn73: Hope FIFA mans up and takes it away from Qatar.

But it'll fark other events up. The USA market in particular, which is extremely important, and even more so in 2022 I am sure with a generation there now growing up understanding the concept of soccer

Is this the fifth or sixth generation of Americans who "understand the concept of soccer" and will grow up to surely be avid soccer fans?


I am not aware of what you're reffering to.

I am talking about the generation that grew up playing it, and watching it.

I don't really give a shiat what you think about the sport.
 
2014-06-01 11:51:02 AM  

Langston: spawn73: Hope FIFA mans up and takes it away from Qatar.

It won't happen. They'll just f*ck up the schedule of every single European league by moving it to winter. And trust me, the leagues in England, France, Germany, Spain, Norway, Italy, Sweden, Portugal, Finland, the Netherlands, Belgium, Ireland, Greece and everywhere else are gonna be pissed.


Didn't I read someone that many of the European FA officials are also part of the FIFA committee that votes for where the World Cup will go to?

In any case, it sounds like FIFA may try to minimize the damage to the European officials, blame the African delegation and use that to take the World Cup away from Qatar.  And, IIRC, Qatar really can't sue unless they don't mind being banned from FIFA until the case is over.
 
2014-06-01 11:52:38 AM  

Norfolking Chance: desertgeek: Norfolking Chance: Wembley : 90,000
Twickenham : 82,000
Old Trafford : 75,700
Millennium Stadium : 74,500
Celtic Park : 60,800
St James' Park : 52,400

If the UK national teams weren't split into England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland; you could do that. But the crossed out stadiums aren't in England so they can't be included.

Why not? If its understood that only England qualify as hosts then i don't expect the Welsh RFU (and if you replace Celtic Park with Murrayfield the Scottish RFU) to care that the Welsh and Scottish football teams had to qualify like every one else.

Or if you want a pure England then you could go with this list

Wembley : 90,000
Twickenham : 82,000
Old Trafford : 75,700
St James' Park : 52,400
Stadium of Light : 49,000
Anfield : 45,500

Still better than the current Brazilian list and if you didn't mind a third London venue the Emirates : 60,300 or two Manchester venues the Etihad : 47,000.

But this does bring up an interesting point. The world cup qualifying for Qatar would start 2 years before in 2020 so if the World Cup gets pulled after the qualifying starts what happens to the Qatar team? They may not be able to enter the qualifying rounds so would they still go as "hosts" while the hosts have to still qualify or would USA/England/Germany etc go in as hosts and screw up the qualifying for their region?

All in all this needs to get decided before 2020 to be realistic


...and if that isn't enough it is a deperation/last minute change then you can add Scotland which has Murrayfield (67,800), Celtic Park (60,832), Hampden (52,063), Ibrox (51,082),
 
2014-06-01 11:54:14 AM  

FloridaFarkTag: If FIFA wants to remain credible....they will move WC 2022 from Qatar.

Intl athletic organizations need to stop appeasing Third Worlders and muslim whackjob nations. IOC having major problems w 2016 Olympics in Rio


FIFA's having major problems with Brazil right now and the WC opener is less than two weeks away.  The IOC may see the misorganization of the WC as an excuse to yank the 2016 Olympics away from them, citing that Brazilian officials did not come through with their promises given to FIFA; so why should they trust Brazil coming through with the promises given to the IOC?
 
2014-06-01 11:57:28 AM  

Norfolking Chance: A joint UK bid has a higher capacity modern stadiums than the Brazil bid with a track record thanks to the London Olympics of hosting a modern world class sporting event. Most of those Texas venues might have the capacity but are not in the same league when it comes to facilities at the stadiums and near them.


No offense but I think you're trying to judge attendance from a US POV instead of a European POV.  When the Euros took place in England in 1996, a lot of the grounds didn't fill to capacity.

Now put it in the USA and every stadium involved will be sold out, guaranteed.  A lot of expats and visitors coming to the US will make that happen.
 
2014-06-01 11:57:30 AM  

12349876: Champion of the Sun: spawn73: Langston: spawn73: Hope FIFA mans up and takes it away from Qatar.

But it'll fark other events up. The USA market in particular, which is extremely important, and even more so in 2022 I am sure with a generation there now growing up understanding the concept of soccer

Is this the fifth or sixth generation of Americans who "understand the concept of soccer" and will grow up to surely be avid soccer fans?

The Hispanics already are rabid fans.  Wednesday's Mexico friendly on a Spanish channel easily beat the Stanley Cup semifinal in the TV ratings.  And the last USA-Mexico friendly the Spanish channel absolutely thrashed ESPN in the ratings.
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2014/05/30/mexico-vs-israel-friendl y- on-unimas-delivers-2-9-million-total-viewers-outperforms-nhl-conferenc e-finals/269012/
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2014/04/04/usa-vs-mexico-friendly-o n- unimas-delivers-3-9-million-viewers-and-outperforms-espn-by-triple-dig its/251245/

It's growing quite a bit slower for non-Hispanics.  As popular as soccer is for the little kiddies there hasn't been as much success in getting kids to stick with it, but that's slowly changing, and could accelerate big time if some of the more dire predictions on the NFL head injury issues come to pass.


Television ratings doesn't always equate to how popular a sport or team is. Take SportingKC. They draw very well at home. Try to watch it on tv? Good luck trying to find it on tv
 
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