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(SFGate)   Okay, I can understand handcuffing and punching a student if he's being a tool, but dumping him out of his wheelchair was a dick move   (sfgate.com) divider line 77
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2014-05-30 06:04:36 PM

Burning_Monk: Empty H: Russ1642: Empty H: Russ1642: Grabbing the wheelchair and pushimg him is the equivalent of manhandling an able bodied person. This kid had every right to spit in the guard's face.

Man handling someone is not the same as spitting in someone's face. Spitting on someone is the exchange of bodily fluids and is considered battery.

It's called fighting back. The guard assaulted him first.

Wasn't judging the reason. Was simply clarifying.

I dunno, friend of mine's kid got spit on in school by a classmate and he punched him. Cops wouldn't do anything to the spitter but did arrest my friend's kid.


As with most instances in life, things are situational. Cops decide who they think is being the bigger dick and charge how they see fit.
 
2014-05-30 06:06:38 PM

kendejo42: "Man handling someone is not the same as spitting in someone's face. Spitting on someone is the exchange of bodily fluids and is considered battery"

And handcuffing someone and taking them against their will could be called kidnapping...............just saying.


The comments weren't about handcuffing and kidnapping. Someone made a comment that pushing and spitting were the same thing. They are not.

Of course handcuffing someone and taking them against their will can be classified as kidnapping. Telling a child they can't leave a room can be considered kidnapping. I wasn't talking about the situation as a whole, simply replying to someones comment about a particular part of the incident.
 
2014-05-30 06:10:52 PM

Empty H: Russ1642: Grabbing the wheelchair and pushimg him is the equivalent of manhandling an able bodied person. This kid had every right to spit in the guard's face.

Man handling someone is not the same as spitting in someone's face. Spitting on someone is the exchange of bodily fluids and is considered battery.


/FTFY
 
2014-05-30 06:30:53 PM
Oakland security guard trifecta in play?
 
2014-05-30 06:31:52 PM

namegoeshere: thegarthok: namegoeshere: Mitchell ordered the student to move toward his next class, but the student "either refused to comply or was slow to do so," Principal Matin Abdel-Qawi wrote in a letter to parents.

So the child with CP who is in a wheel chair was moving slowly?

I for one am SHOCKED! Should've tazed the little shiat. How dare he be all handicapped like that!

Skipped the part where the kid spit in the guard's face. In my opinion they should both face assault charges.

That came after the guard shoved him in his chair for moving too slowly. Which is beyond dickish and should not ever be done (unless the chair is stuck on the tracks and a train is coming, that sort of thing.) People with CP have much trouble speaking clearly which can be extremely frustrating when you are trying to explain why you are not the fastest thing on wheels or tell Bubba Rentacop to get his nasty hands off you. So being unable to successfully protest verbally, he tried to remove the jerk's hands, and he was then handcuffed and pushed around. No, he should not have spit. That's nasty. But I understand. The escalation leading to the spitting and the assault was due to very poor decisions on the part of the power tripping cop wannabe.


Not all people with cp have speech impediments.
 
2014-05-30 06:33:29 PM

Empty H: Someone made a comment that pushing and spitting were the same thing. They are not.


Pushing is battery, too:

Battery
A battery is an intentional physical contact with a person without his or her consent that results in bodily harm or is offensive to a reasonable sense of dignity.

 In a classic example, spitting on an individual doesn't physically injure them, but it nonetheless can constitute offensive contact sufficient for a battery. - See more at: http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/assault-and-battery-over v iew.html#sthash.mMlk1zvO.dpuf

Actually, it sounds like pushing and spitting are quite a bit alike.
 
2014-05-30 06:50:06 PM
dl.dropboxusercontent.com
 
2014-05-30 06:56:36 PM

Mark Ratner: 1) have cerebral palsy that confines you to a wheel chair
2) give attitude to mall ninja cop when he tells you to hurry up and get to class
3) spit in his face when he literally rolls you down the hall against your will
4) take a minor beating
5) sue school
6) profit


Sorry god hates you, crippie, but if you keep giving people shiat, eventually you meet a psychopath. Sorry your folks never let you in on this little tidbit.
 
2014-05-30 07:02:01 PM

namegoeshere: Empty H: Someone made a comment that pushing and spitting were the same thing. They are not.

Pushing is battery, too:

Battery
A battery is an intentional physical contact with a person without his or her consent that results in bodily harm or is offensive to a reasonable sense of dignity.

 In a classic example, spitting on an individual doesn't physically injure them, but it nonetheless can constitute offensive contact sufficient for a battery. - See more at: http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/assault-and-battery-over v iew.html#sthash.mMlk1zvO.dpuf

Actually, it sounds like pushing and spitting are quite a bit alike.


I corrected myself in the next post (totally justified if you didn't see it.) that I meant aggravated battery. This is specifically the case when spitting in a peace officer.

http://www.shouselaw.com/battery.html
 
2014-05-30 07:02:03 PM
He could have used that wheelchair as a weapon, I certain they will allege.
 
2014-05-30 07:05:04 PM

namegoeshere: Empty H: Someone made a comment that pushing and spitting were the same thing. They are not.

Pushing is battery, too:

Battery
A battery is an intentional physical contact with a person without his or her consent that results in bodily harm or is offensive to a reasonable sense of dignity.

 In a classic example, spitting on an individual doesn't physically injure them, but it nonetheless can constitute offensive contact sufficient for a battery. - See more at: http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/assault-and-battery-over v iew.html#sthash.mMlk1zvO.dpuf

Actually, it sounds like pushing and spitting are quite a bit alike.


I should really wait and put these things together. Sorry, but I am mobile.

Adding on my last post:
I highly doubt the kid will be charged with anything in this case, but felony battery could be argued if someone really wanted to be hated by the community.
 
2014-05-30 07:07:37 PM

Luven: Russ1642: This kid had every right to spit in the guard's face.

And got the beating he deserved for doing so. Two wrongs don't make a right and both these asshats need a kick in the sack.


No. You don't put your hands on someone unless you're detaining them or arresting them.
 
2014-05-30 07:26:03 PM
I hope it was a great big yellow hunk of snot that went right down that assholes throat.

Too bad he didn't choke on it.
 
2014-05-30 07:26:29 PM
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2014-05-30 07:34:36 PM

Empty H: Russ1642: Grabbing the wheelchair and pushimg him is the equivalent of manhandling an able bodied person. This kid had every right to spit in the guard's face.

Man handling someone is not the same as spitting in someone's face. Spitting on someone is the exchange of bodily fluids and is considered battery.


"Spitting on someone is the exchange of bodily fluids and is considered"

Sexy
/what?
 
2014-05-30 07:36:54 PM
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2014-05-30 07:37:24 PM
This is why I am grateful my cripple status is limited to hobbling around on a cane--someone starts shiat, I carry a bludgeoning weapon. Nothing delivers a beating quite like solid walnut!

/I'm about two or three years from being in a wheelchair
//This crap ain't fun...
 
2014-05-30 07:44:58 PM
The dude in a wheelchair is a kid. The security guy is an adult. Being mad or stupid is not an excuse (both sides).
 
2014-05-30 08:09:31 PM
Okay, I can understand handcuffing and punching a student if he's being a tool...

I think you reversed the order there- once you've cuffed him, punching him is being a tool, unless he's gone all Black Knight and keeps on trying to kick you or bleed all over you.  That was the first definite dick move even if we give the "security guard" a break on pushing the kid's chair. Skip the charges and give the kid a mobility van he can use to hurry the security guard off campus.
 
2014-05-30 10:52:42 PM
The guy's a security guard because even the local cops don't want him. That should tell you something.
 
2014-05-30 11:04:02 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: vudukungfu: Bill_Wick's_Friend: Timmay?

Timmay, TIMMAY!   Timmay. Timmay.

/timmay

MITCHELL!

ALAN!


mst3k ref
 
2014-05-31 12:11:54 AM

Sunidesus: Every wheelchair-using person I've known over the years considers their chair to be basically an extension of their body. So if you wouldn't touch the person, you shouldn't be touching their chair.

Pushing the kid's chair without permission is a whole 'nother level of stupid.


This.  This times ten.

People have to realize this is like putting your hands on the back of a person who can walk and physically propelling them.  It's actually worse, because you're taking someone who is already coping with limited mobility and further reducing/removing their right to self-determination.  Unless they give you clear and unequivocal permission, never push someone's wheelchair.
 
2014-05-31 01:50:49 AM

vudukungfu: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: vudukungfu: Bill_Wick's_Friend: Timmay?

Timmay, TIMMAY!   Timmay. Timmay.

/timmay

MITCHELL!

ALAN!

mst3k ref


Ahhh. I don't have the attention span required to watch movies. :(
 
2014-05-31 01:56:44 AM
So he's... leg disabled?

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-05-31 04:49:58 AM

Russ1642: It's called fighting back. The guard assaulted him first.


In Florida, the guard would have been entitled to kill the child.
 
2014-05-31 10:59:11 AM

MycroftHolmes: noitsnot: I don't think society is producing anyone with the necessary temperament to be a police officer in the way that we regard them traditionally.  The modern personality does not seem to have the qualities of restraint and self-control.  I think those days of growing up and being mature are just gone.  Now everybody's a four year old forever.

or, you know, it is like maybe those guys just don't ever make it into the news, because they do their job calmly and with no issue.

No, I like your idea that every single person in today's society is immature and lacks any sort of impulse control.  That makes more sense.


Do you have zero doubt?  I hear you have zero doubt.
 
2014-05-31 11:55:09 PM

bingethinker: The guy's a security guard because even the local cops don't want him. That should tell you something.


Thing is, I'm pretty sure that these guys were sworn officers.

OUSD has it's own Police Department:

http://www.ousd.k12.ca.us/Page/973
 
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