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(Al Jazeera)   "The road to hell is paved with gung-ho," says security guard who obviously failed the entrance requirements for the Oakland PD   (america.aljazeera.com) divider line 45
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2014-05-30 10:16:40 AM  
But it's potholed with apathy.
 
2014-05-30 10:31:31 AM  
content.internetvideoarchive.com
/his second best movie
 
2014-05-30 11:55:45 AM  
Sandwiches!  Don't forget your sandwiches!
 
2014-05-30 12:26:40 PM  
Rockridge?
The security guard's near?
 
2014-05-30 12:28:53 PM  
static2.businessinsider.com

you guys are *SLACKING*
 
2014-05-30 12:33:35 PM  
Actually it's paved with rubberized asphalt.
 
2014-05-30 12:34:23 PM  
Alpine and Bazooka reportedly inconsolable, unavailable for comment.
 
2014-05-30 12:35:10 PM  
Hmmmm......think we're about to see a Fark thread where the majority of posters suddenly think the police do a great job.
 
2014-05-30 12:36:38 PM  

FLMountainMan: Hmmmm......think we're about to see a Fark thread where the majority of posters suddenly think the police do a great job.


Fark Drug Dealing Babies.
 
2014-05-30 12:36:53 PM  

FLMountainMan: Hmmmm......think we're about to see a Fark thread where the majority of posters suddenly think the police do a great job.


Probably the same people who hate corporate welfare but praise Obama for the bailouts.
 
2014-05-30 12:38:16 PM  
I knew people getting addicted to Puzzle and Dragons was bad, but I didn't know it was this bad.
 
2014-05-30 12:41:02 PM  
I'm surprised they didn't contract with Merryvale State Security

/Loogie guns!
 
2014-05-30 12:42:51 PM  
I'm pretty sure his statement is exactly the right attitude for a security guard to have.  Don't try and be a hero, observe and report.
 
2014-05-30 12:43:16 PM  
Not Hershey Highway, it's paved with bung hole...
 
2014-05-30 12:43:20 PM  
An African-America security officer in Rockridge? This has the makings of a great movie
 
2014-05-30 12:47:04 PM  

Bermuda59: An African-America security officer in Rockridge? This has the makings of a great movie

 
2014-05-30 12:48:05 PM  

DaAlien: I'm surprised they didn't contract with Merryvale State Security

/Loogie guns!


Y.T. nods approvingly.
 
2014-05-30 12:48:35 PM  
I've done security before, harassment was rarely an issue because you recognize who lives in your aor. After a month of casual contact with the folks I dealt with I knew most of them by name all by appearance knew many of their friends and habits and what drama was going on in their life.

It's that personal feel with an officer/guard that people like. Nobody trust some random cop who doesn't know you or anyone in your area coming down to handle business
 
2014-05-30 12:51:44 PM  
We need more peace officers and fewer police officers.
 
2014-05-30 12:52:16 PM  
Critics of the campaign, which met its $15,750 goal on Thursday night*, say that increased policing - whether public or private - will only send more low-income youth of color to prison.

what?
 
2014-05-30 12:53:56 PM  
I dropped a friend off at her dad's mansion at 3 am and when I left that exclusive community what I thought was a cop pulled me over. This guy gets to my car and starts in with the questions and then I notice his uniform. Ranger Rick Security. I started laughing and he gets all indignant and asks me what is so funny. I say, " You're not a cop. Fark off." Then drove away and left him standing there slackjawed.
 
2014-05-30 12:57:39 PM  

bearded clamorer: Rockridge?
The security guard's near?


*rings church bell*
 
2014-05-30 12:57:56 PM  

Shadi: Critics of the campaign, which met its $15,750 goal on Thursday night*, say that increased policing - whether public or private - will only send more low-income youth of color to prison.

what?


Most critics of the campaign don't live in the areas affected.  So protesting it allows them to feel like they are contributing to social justice, without jeopardizing their safety or their property.  It's a win-win.
 
2014-05-30 12:59:29 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Actually it's paved with rubberized asphalt.


Only the devil could think up something so haneous.
 
2014-05-30 01:03:47 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-05-30 01:11:57 PM  
EvilVanMan:  haneous.

That's when they vaporize hanes stockings in a no-oxygen atmosphere, right?
 
2014-05-30 01:12:20 PM  
"Police, meanwhile, say the answer to crime is more cops, who - unlike the private patrols - can investigate crimes, do follow-up and put together cases.  "

Bullshiat.   Had my home burglarized twice over the years.  Both times, the PD officer taking mystatement flat out said this report was basically for insurance purposes, and the PD would, and could,  do absolutely and exactly nothing in the way of investigating or trying to get the stolen items back.
 
2014-05-30 01:12:28 PM  

freakingmoron: I dropped a friend off at her dad's mansion at 3 am and when I left that exclusive community what I thought was a cop pulled me over. This guy gets to my car and starts in with the questions and then I notice his uniform. Ranger Rick Security. I started laughing and he gets all indignant and asks me what is so funny. I say, " You're not a cop. Fark off." Then drove away and left him standing there slackjawed.


I was a cop for a long time.  I frequently had to make polite "service calls" to local security folks reminding them to cut that kind of crap out and that they could be arrested for impersonating a police officer.  We are the only ones allowed to stop motorists.
 
2014-05-30 01:17:13 PM  

rummonkey: We are the only ones allowed to stop motorists.


Actually, stop points or gates at the entrances to private property requiring an id/passcode/keycard are both legal and common.
 
2014-05-30 01:18:12 PM  

Shadi: Critics of the campaign, which met its $15,750 goal on Thursday night*, say that increased policing - whether public or private - will only send more low-income youth of color to prison.

what?


you missed the second part, where they want the money to be used on things like youth centers and job programs. Basically, the idea is that hiring security guys is addressing the symptoms and not the cause of the issue. Presumebly though the new rich gentrifiers are figuring in the next 3 years they will have completely driven the poor people out and thus that sort of long term investment is a waste.
 
2014-05-30 01:18:51 PM  

rummonkey: freakingmoron: I dropped a friend off at her dad's mansion at 3 am and when I left that exclusive community what I thought was a cop pulled me over. This guy gets to my car and starts in with the questions and then I notice his uniform. Ranger Rick Security. I started laughing and he gets all indignant and asks me what is so funny. I say, " You're not a cop. Fark off." Then drove away and left him standing there slackjawed.

I was a cop for a long time.  I frequently had to make polite "service calls" to local security folks reminding them to cut that kind of crap out and that they could be arrested for impersonating a police officer.  We are the only ones allowed to stop motorists.


Except on private property like private school campuses and what not
 
2014-05-30 01:19:11 PM  

J.Shelby: EvilVanMan:  haneous.

That's when they vaporize hanes stockings in a no-oxygen atmosphere, right?


Possibly, I didn't get a spell-check error, so I ran with it.
 
2014-05-30 01:23:02 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: "Police, meanwhile, say the answer to crime is more cops, who - unlike the private patrols - can investigate crimes, do follow-up and put together cases.  "

Bullshiat.   Had my home burglarized twice over the years.  Both times, the PD officer taking mystatement flat out said this report was basically for insurance purposes, and the PD would, and could,  do absolutely and exactly nothing in the way of investigating or trying to get the stolen items back.


It depends on the crime.  I can't do much for a burglery unless the theif does something stupid like leave their ID or the homeowner has cameras and we get a licence plate, something along those lines.  Rape, menacing, DUI, alarm drops, cars on fire, accidents, missing children...these are all instances where I have investigated, put cases together, etc. and got positive results.

I'm sorry about your home, but there really is a limit on what I as an officer can do.  If this is a recurring event, I would make more patrols in your area or something along those lines to try to deter the little fish, possibly try to involve the local community to assist us in info gathering.  Theft crimes can be tricky ones to handle.
 
2014-05-30 01:27:14 PM  

Subtle_Canary: rummonkey: freakingmoron: I dropped a friend off at her dad's mansion at 3 am and when I left that exclusive community what I thought was a cop pulled me over. This guy gets to my car and starts in with the questions and then I notice his uniform. Ranger Rick Security. I started laughing and he gets all indignant and asks me what is so funny. I say, " You're not a cop. Fark off." Then drove away and left him standing there slackjawed.

I was a cop for a long time.  I frequently had to make polite "service calls" to local security folks reminding them to cut that kind of crap out and that they could be arrested for impersonating a police officer.  We are the only ones allowed to stop motorists.

Except on private property like private school campuses and what not


Yeah, private property is a different story, we usually had patrol access to campuses, but business parking lots are a different story.  A private development however is still our juristiction; if private security wants to "help" they really need to ID themselves as such right away.
 
2014-05-30 01:32:54 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: rummonkey: We are the only ones allowed to stop motorists.

Actually, stop points or gates at the entrances to private property requiring an id/passcode/keycard are both legal and common.


I used the passcode to open the gate and leave. This guy followed me a half mile before hitting the lights.

rummonkey- This guy had cop red/blue lights on his car and at the time that was illegal in Indiana. My friend's dad heard about it a week later and the security company lost that gig.
 
2014-05-30 01:34:30 PM  

rummonkey: 'm sorry about your home, but there really is a limit on what I as an officer can do.


To be honest, I didn't really expect the local PD to be able to do anything more.  I have no complaints.  I was just saying that the statement in the article was bullshiat.  That's all.  In my case it's not really a recurring event, since we are talking about twice in 25 years, in two different cities.  That's probably just statistical average.   I'm all for increased police officer presence (if they are well trained, rather than low IQ thugs).  I am often at odds with the fark-anarchist anti-cop crowd. But the PD statement in the article is still bullshiat.
 
2014-05-30 02:00:20 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: "Police, meanwhile, say the answer to crime is more cops, who - unlike the private patrols - can investigate crimes, do follow-up and put together cases.  "

Bullshiat.   Had my home burglarized twice over the years.  Both times, the PD officer taking mystatement flat out said this report was basically for insurance purposes, and the PD would, and could,  do absolutely and exactly nothing in the way of investigating or trying to get the stolen items back.


Private patrols can help prevent crimes from ever happening via deterrent effect.

The cops are saying "wait until the crime happens, then we will help you and we need more people." I'll go with not having the crime occur...
 
2014-05-30 02:14:46 PM  

mediablitz: ThrobblefootSpectre: "Police, meanwhile, say the answer to crime is more cops, who - unlike the private patrols - can investigate crimes, do follow-up and put together cases.  "

Bullshiat.   Had my home burglarized twice over the years.  Both times, the PD officer taking mystatement flat out said this report was basically for insurance purposes, and the PD would, and could,  do absolutely and exactly nothing in the way of investigating or trying to get the stolen items back.

Private patrols can help prevent crimes from ever happening via deterrent effect.

The cops are saying "wait until the crime happens, then we will help you and we need more people." I'll go with not having the crime occur...


That is the old school police mentality, and it is slowly fading away in favor of community based policing.  On my last department, we had bike patrols that were much more effective at interacting with the public in a positive and proactive manner.  Our outreach programs were aimed at trying to solve the underlying problem, such as diversion programs for youth and food bank access for poor families caught shoplifting a loaf of bread.

Our school resource unit (my specialization) made great efforts to interact with the shady kids to let them know we are there in a positive light.  I was recently invited to the graduation party for one of these kids I put in the diversion program and am planning to go; he straightened out (a bit) and made it, be deserves some acknowledgement for that..

I think we are seeing more awareness in larger departments (not Oakland)  that we need to do more than chase and cuff.  It will pay off eventually.
 
2014-05-30 02:23:42 PM  
Video link on why Rockridge needs added security
Link
 
2014-05-30 02:41:56 PM  
Depends what you want and what you pay for.

Our dedicated patrols were armed, assigned to specific areas, and had a 6-8 minute response time, much better than PD. For the 85% b/s calls you get in residential areas (loud music, barking dogs), why not have security handle it instead if wasting police time and resources?

For the real stuff, we caught three actual burglaries and one auto theft while I was there, responding to alarms, and did it just like a civilian would--see event, call cops, monitor till arrival. Only two of my guys ever had to pull a weapon.

But here's the thing. If you want that quality and reliability, you have to pay for it and train it, and keep it equipped and up to standards. If you want to do it on the cheap and hire $9/hr guards with online guard cards, then you get what you pay for. And those will be the cop wannabes that kill someone.
 
2014-05-30 05:30:09 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Depends what you want and what you pay for.

Our dedicated patrols were armed, assigned to specific areas, and had a 6-8 minute response time, much better than PD. For the 85% b/s calls you get in residential areas (loud music, barking dogs), why not have security handle it instead if wasting police time and resources?

For the real stuff, we caught three actual burglaries and one auto theft while I was there, responding to alarms, and did it just like a civilian would--see event, call cops, monitor till arrival. Only two of my guys ever had to pull a weapon.

But here's the thing. If you want that quality and reliability, you have to pay for it and train it, and keep it equipped and up to standards. If you want to do it on the cheap and hire $9/hr guards with online guard cards, then you get what you pay for. And those will be the cop wannabes that kill someone.


9/hr? what a ripoff. Zimmermans neighborhood got a murdering asshat mall ninja for free.
 
2014-05-30 07:32:23 PM  

EvilVanMan: bearded clamorer: Rockridge?
The security guard's near?

*rings church bell*


I said... the sheriff is a NI*church bell*
 
2014-05-30 07:40:52 PM  
I want rustlers, cut throats,murderers, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents,Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, shiat-kickers and Methodists.
 
2014-05-30 08:35:44 PM  

Bushwhakker: I want rustlers, cut throats,murderers, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents,Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, shiat-kickers and Methodists.


Whatabout henchmen, lackeys, servitors, yes-men and minions?
 
2014-05-30 11:15:58 PM  
I'm conflicted. I live near there, we have a similar circumstance - people want better police response, but Oakland can't afford it. Many of us hate Mayor Quan, she appears to be ineffective and has alienated the police officers. But people also complain about how ridiculously expensive a police officer is, too.

http://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/2012/oakland/

Dunno how reliable the info on that link is, but the highest paid public employee in Oakland is a police officer. Yeeeow
 
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