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2014-05-30 07:36:34 AM
First for White Sox/Blackhawks
 
2014-05-30 07:37:07 AM
CorrectionMay 29, 2014

An earlier version of this Web story stated that reporter David Schaper was interviewing people about gun violence when the shots were heard. He was in fact reporting on urban renewal efforts.


Oh well subby.  At least you didn't use the Ironic tag.
 
2014-05-30 07:38:35 AM
I'd say the reporter found the right area to conduct the interview!
 
2014-05-30 07:41:51 AM
They just need more gun laws...... wait.....
 
2014-05-30 07:50:46 AM
"Hey, kids, are you noticing all this plight?"
 
2014-05-30 07:51:29 AM
Have you guys considered getting some more guns?
 
2014-05-30 07:57:11 AM

GDubDub: CorrectionMay 29, 2014

An earlier version of this Web story stated that reporter David Schaper was interviewing people about gun violence when the shots were heard. He was in fact reporting on urban renewal efforts.

Oh well subby.  At least you didn't use the Ironic tag.



[Ironic] Fierce rebuilding breaks out during urban renewal report
 
2014-05-30 08:02:48 AM
"This is not typical" another neighborhood leader, Demond Drummer, tells David. "It's far too common, but it's not normal" he said.

rlv.zcache.com
 
2014-05-30 08:03:25 AM
We need drones with guns that shoot more guns that in turn shoots drones. Those drones tow message banners with slogans like "Stay in School" and "Heroes don't use drugs". Should be cheap if we place a billion dollar order.

I accept checks.
 
2014-05-30 08:03:55 AM
This has become the new thing for NRA folks: If Chicago had more guns and you could carry them where you want, it would be safer, despite there being no data to show that this works except at best on a case-by-case basis (Houston's crime rates are horrible, too).
 
2014-05-30 08:06:33 AM
It's a good thing that having a large semiautomatic rifle is seriously illegal in Chicago or this one in a million incident would be happening all the time.
 
2014-05-30 08:07:45 AM

PC LOAD LETTER: This has become the new thing for NRA folks: If Chicago had more guns and you could carry them where you want, it would be safer, despite there being no data to show that this works except at best on a case-by-case basis (Houston's crime rates are horrible, too).


Unlike more gun laws, which clearly work great.  Do you think that maybe guns aren't the problem?
 
2014-05-30 08:10:52 AM

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: PC LOAD LETTER: This has become the new thing for NRA folks: If Chicago had more guns and you could carry them where you want, it would be safer, despite there being no data to show that this works except at best on a case-by-case basis (Houston's crime rates are horrible, too).

Unlike more gun laws, which clearly work great.  Do you think that maybe guns aren't the problem?


Inanimate objects are ALWAYS the problem.
 
2014-05-30 08:12:12 AM
It's very simple:  Shoot all the DIMs and everything will be perfect forever.
 
2014-05-30 08:19:33 AM
Has anybody sarcastically pointed out that this sort of weapon is illegal in Chicago and therefore couldn't possibly be used there because laws magically erect physical borders that disallow passage of verboten objects purchased from less responsible surrounding communities?
 
2014-05-30 08:20:25 AM

SDRR: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: PC LOAD LETTER: This has become the new thing for NRA folks: If Chicago had more guns and you could carry them where you want, it would be safer, despite there being no data to show that this works except at best on a case-by-case basis (Houston's crime rates are horrible, too).

Unlike more gun laws, which clearly work great.  Do you think that maybe guns aren't the problem?

Inanimate objects are ALWAYS the problem.


shhh.  you're going to wake up the necrophiliacs
/and then all morning we hear about all those damn sexy dead bodies.
 
2014-05-30 08:21:49 AM

skozlaw: Has anybody sarcastically pointed out that this sort of weapon is illegal in Chicago and therefore couldn't possibly be used there because laws magically erect physical borders that disallow passage of verboten objects purchased from less responsible surrounding communities?


Not yet.  We're too busy pointing out that a single instance of anti-gun laws not working leads to the conclusion that all gun laws should be abolished.
 
2014-05-30 08:22:10 AM

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: PC LOAD LETTER: This has become the new thing for NRA folks: If Chicago had more guns and you could carry them where you want, it would be safer, despite there being no data to show that this works except at best on a case-by-case basis (Houston's crime rates are horrible, too).

Unlike more gun laws, which clearly work great.  Do you think that maybe guns aren't the problem?


Guns are part of the problem. Especially since we're discussing gun violence.
 
2014-05-30 08:36:31 AM

JRoo: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: PC LOAD LETTER: This has become the new thing for NRA folks: If Chicago had more guns and you could carry them where you want, it would be safer, despite there being no data to show that this works except at best on a case-by-case basis (Houston's crime rates are horrible, too).

Unlike more gun laws, which clearly work great.  Do you think that maybe guns aren't the problem?

Guns are part of the problem. Especially since we're discussing gun violence.


Why is there never a discussion on knife violence, or blunt object violence?
 
2014-05-30 08:43:16 AM
blog.ubi.com

Wanted for Questioning
 
2014-05-30 08:43:29 AM
There's nothing we can do about it because it's a Constitutional right. There's always going to be the occasional interview out there.
 
2014-05-30 08:45:16 AM

Thunderpipes: JRoo: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: PC LOAD LETTER: This has become the new thing for NRA folks: If Chicago had more guns and you could carry them where you want, it would be safer, despite there being no data to show that this works except at best on a case-by-case basis (Houston's crime rates are horrible, too).

Unlike more gun laws, which clearly work great.  Do you think that maybe guns aren't the problem?

Guns are part of the problem. Especially since we're discussing gun violence.

Why is there never a discussion on knife violence, or blunt object violence?


This.  Gun violence is the REAL victim here.
 
2014-05-30 08:46:11 AM

edmo: There's nothing we can do about it because it's a Constitutional right. There's always going to be the occasional interview out there.


If David Schaper had a gun instead of a microphone none of this would have happened.
 
2014-05-30 08:47:16 AM

JRoo: Guns are part of the problem. Especially since we're discussing gun violence.


I'd like to see the mental gymnastics used to describe how cars aren't part of the problem with drunk driving deaths.
 
2014-05-30 08:47:21 AM
I'm sure it was just business.
 
2014-05-30 08:49:53 AM

Thunderpipes: JRoo: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: PC LOAD LETTER: This has become the new thing for NRA folks: If Chicago had more guns and you could carry them where you want, it would be safer, despite there being no data to show that this works except at best on a case-by-case basis (Houston's crime rates are horrible, too).

Unlike more gun laws, which clearly work great.  Do you think that maybe guns aren't the problem?

Guns are part of the problem. Especially since we're discussing gun violence.

Why is there never a discussion on knife violence, or blunt object violence?


Simply put, because people with guns kill far more people than do people wielding knives or blunt objects. When those numbers start to approach the numbers of victims of gun violence, then we can have that discussion.

/obviously, knife and club wielders are lazier than gun shooters
//they really need to get out there and make an effort
///slashies
 
2014-05-30 08:50:14 AM

onyxruby: JRoo: Guns are part of the problem. Especially since we're discussing gun violence.

I'd like to see the mental gymnastics used to describe how cars aren't part of the problem with drunk driving deaths.


Yeah, that would be messed up to see because cars are an integral part of the problem with drunk driving, at least 50% of the problem I'd say. What with the "driving" and the "drunk" put together like that. Heck, without the car it's pretty much just "drunk".
 
2014-05-30 08:52:55 AM

Gunboat: Not yet. We're too busy pointing out that a single instance of anti-gun laws not working leads to the conclusion that all gun laws should be abolished.


Guns laws in Chicago, a city with open borders surrounded by a nation full of thousands of communities with incredibly lax gun laws, don't correlate to lower gun violence: proof that gun laws don't work to reduce gun violence.

Gun laws in virtually every other developed nation in the world correlate to rates of gun violence that are fractional compared to the U.S.: proves nothing.

Duh. It's logic.
 
2014-05-30 08:53:10 AM

onyxruby: JRoo: Guns are part of the problem. Especially since we're discussing gun violence.

I'd like to see the mental gymnastics used to describe how cars aren't part of the problem with drunk driving deaths.


They are, but the keyword is DRUNK in that sentence. In Gun Violence they keyword is VIOLENCE. In Xinjiang/East Turkestan they manage to commit mass violence/terrorism with knives, bombs, and cars. (Oh and carbombs)....

/Guns don't kill people, they just make it easier
 
2014-05-30 08:56:07 AM

Gunboat: Not yet. We're too busy pointing out that a single instance of anti-gun laws not working leads to the conclusion that all gun laws should be abolished.


Semi-auto rifles are perfectly legal in Chicago if you have a valid FOID card.  Shooting someone in the head is illegal even if you have a FOID card.  Unless they were on your turf.
 
2014-05-30 08:56:46 AM

Charles U. Farkley: Why is there never a discussion on knife violence, or blunt object violence?


Elaborate coverup instigated by the Wudan.
 
2014-05-30 08:57:46 AM

JRoo: Yeah, that would be messed up to see because cars are an integral part of the problem with drunk driving, at least 50% of the problem I'd say. What with the "driving" and the "drunk" put together like that. Heck, without the car it's pretty much just "drunk".


You can't take cars away from drunks, that violates their rights. Besides, a drunk without a car could just drive a tractor or a space shuttle into somebody, and I don't see you complaining about THAT.

You have to focus on the problem: we don't do enough in this country to address addiction problems. The problem isn't that they're driving, it's that they're drunk. We have to solve the REAL problem.

By the way, if you try to pass laws that compel high-risk, repeat offenders into treatment or temporary license suspension I'll shout it down because it violates their privacy rights.

See? It's a problem that just can't be solved! Just give up and die and stop complaining about your freedom, nancy-boy.
 
2014-05-30 09:09:40 AM

Gunboat: skozlaw: Has anybody sarcastically pointed out that this sort of weapon is illegal in Chicago and therefore couldn't possibly be used there because laws magically erect physical borders that disallow passage of verboten objects purchased from less responsible surrounding communities?

Not yet.  We're too busy pointing out that a single instance of anti-gun laws not working leads to the conclusion that all gun laws should be abolished.


So true.  God knows this is the only incident of its kind in Chicago the past year or so.  Any inference that disarming the population leaves them unprotected and emboldens armed criminals is ridiculous.  Cops are everywhere in Chicago and the population should feel completely at ease.
 
2014-05-30 09:11:08 AM
I thought an armed society was a polite society.
 
2014-05-30 09:14:32 AM
Well, you know how they always like to have some background noise in their stories. "[car horns] [children's laughter] ...and here we are in a neighborhood park where we are interviewing residents about their take on the gun problem..."
 
2014-05-30 09:15:31 AM

onyxruby: JRoo: Guns are part of the problem. Especially since we're discussing gun violence.

I'd like to see the mental gymnastics used to describe how cars aren't part of the problem with drunk driving deaths.


Sure.
The primary purpose of a car is to transport people.
The primary purpose of a gun is to kill people.

Because the primary purpose of guns is to kill people, guns should be treated differently than the tools that enhance life.
 
2014-05-30 09:22:05 AM

PC LOAD LETTER: This has become the new thing for NRA folks: If Chicago had more guns and you could carry them where you want, it would be safer, despite there being no data to show that this works except at best on a case-by-case basis (Houston's crime rates are horrible, too).


But in Houston's defense the refugees from Louisiana (and have not left) brought a  criminal culture that is not going to be solved by more gun laws
 
2014-05-30 09:24:25 AM
hasty ambush:
 the refugees from Louisiana (and have not left) brought a  criminal culture

*wink*
 
2014-05-30 09:24:30 AM

Muta: I thought an armed society was a polite society.


There has to be a society and a base level of politeness to begin with.  Chicago really lacks those things.
 
2014-05-30 09:25:15 AM

Gunboat: skozlaw: Has anybody sarcastically pointed out that this sort of weapon is illegal in Chicago and therefore couldn't possibly be used there because laws magically erect physical borders that disallow passage of verboten objects purchased from less responsible surrounding communities?

Not yet.  We're too busy pointing out that a single instance of anti-gun laws not working leads to the conclusion that all gun laws should be abolished.


Yes, because we all know that gun laws work in Chicago, and there is nothing about this incident that relates to Chicago having the worst record of gun homicides in the U.S . outside of L.A.

Gun laws are ineffective in Chicago because criminals arent worried about getting caught when they use them.
 
2014-05-30 09:38:28 AM

walktoanarcade: "Hey, kids, are you noticing all this plight?"


Roll em up!
 
2014-05-30 09:40:41 AM

Thunderpipes: JRoo: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: PC LOAD LETTER: This has become the new thing for NRA folks: If Chicago had more guns and you could carry them where you want, it would be safer, despite there being no data to show that this works except at best on a case-by-case basis (Houston's crime rates are horrible, too).

Unlike more gun laws, which clearly work great.  Do you think that maybe guns aren't the problem?

Guns are part of the problem. Especially since we're discussing gun violence.

Why is there never a discussion on knife violence, or blunt object violence?


There is usually some chud trying to start that discussion in pretty much every gun thread, usually paired with some other moron who thinks "high capacity knife" is the most clever thing since Obongo.
 
2014-05-30 09:44:04 AM
One of the major issues in Chicago is the somewhat successful work to break up the "mega-gangs" of 20 years ago.  Now we have "micro-gangs" that all claim tiny chunks of territory, with a ton more boundaries between these, and far less structure within the gang society to control individual members.  They also now permeate far more of the city than before due to each group's desire to control its own piece of turf.

/Taught at a City College
//At least once a month there were shootings at the 7-11 in font of the school during day classes
///Jaded and sad
 
2014-05-30 09:47:19 AM

GDubDub: CorrectionMay 29, 2014

An earlier version of this Web story stated that reporter David Schaper was interviewing people about gun violence when the shots were heard. He was in fact reporting on urban renewal efforts.

Oh well subby.  At least you didn't use the Ironic tag.


To be fair, "Urban Renewal" is semi-code for "get rid of the gangs".
 
2014-05-30 09:51:24 AM

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: PC LOAD LETTER: This has become the new thing for NRA folks: If Chicago had more guns and you could carry them where you want, it would be safer, despite there being no data to show that this works except at best on a case-by-case basis (Houston's crime rates are horrible, too).

Unlike more gun laws, which clearly work great.  Do you think that maybe guns aren't the problem?


Of course He doesn't, that would mean placing the blame on the poor law abiding citizen who's hands the gun jumped into and forced him to shoot at the other innocent civilian who refused to discuss the accidental  discharge with the bad bad popo.
Of course guns are the problem.
 
2014-05-30 09:55:32 AM
I'm smelling a false flag here. More like an over zealous sound guy trying to one up his buddies that amp up the sound of crunching leaves when doing an interview walking through a forest.

/ that last one is almost a trope on morning edition
 
2014-05-30 09:58:25 AM

Charles U. Farkley: Simply put, because people with guns kill far more people than do people wielding knives or blunt objects. When those numbers start to approach the numbers of victims of gun violence, then we can have that discussion.


Summary from the link (2011 homicide data listed):
Rifles : 323
Knives or cutting instruments: 1,694
Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.): 496

Sooo...obviously, the only solution to the problem is to ban scary "assault rifles" (which are a subset of the rifle category shown).  Got it.
Source: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-t h e-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8
 
2014-05-30 09:58:38 AM

dletter: "Urban Renewal" is semi-code for "get rid of the gangs".


Which can be done.
But you have to do it one block at a time. Until they are surrounded.
Then you get the old mother-ship out of storage from the Parliament tours.
Hook it up to a factory crane on rails out of one of the old mills on the roof tops.
And stage "Alien Abductions" of any remaining gang members.
Until they realize that "they" are out to get them.
Then they have to act like normal, law-abiding folks just to cross the street.

Put a ton of surveillance crap in it and if you see some homie with a gun, Position it over him, tun on the weird music, and drop the net. Lots of fog machines, and lasers, too.

Make a production of it.
Oh, and they abductees?
They never get seen again.

Drop them off in the congo.
 
2014-05-30 10:01:48 AM

Farkage: Charles U. Farkley: Simply put, because people with guns kill far more people than do people wielding knives or blunt objects. When those numbers start to approach the numbers of victims of gun violence, then we can have that discussion.

Summary from the link (2011 homicide data listed):
Rifles : 323
Knives or cutting instruments: 1,694
Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.): 496

Sooo...obviously, the only solution to the problem is to ban scary "assault rifles" (which are a subset of the rifle category shown).  Got it.
Source: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-t h e-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8


What do they call that one that fits in your hand?  Doesn't even matter.

Total firearms from same year: 8583.  You fail spectacularly.
 
2014-05-30 10:02:05 AM
Felons gonna fel.
 
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