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2014-05-29 07:59:00 PM  

Cyberluddite: Not to mention--and I'm no biblical scholar here, in fact, I'll admit that I'm about the furthest thing from it--that I thought that deal was that Jesus supposedly relieved his followers of following the Lord's laws/curses spelled out in Leviticus (which of course is what they claim as their source for the supposed godly ban on homosexuality) by taking on the burden of those laws himself. So for some reason Christians seem to feel that Jebus gave them the thumbs-up to eat pork and shellfish, and shave their beards if they want, but yet that somehow the one passage of Leviticus about how a man must not "lie with a man as he lieth with a woman" is exempted from Jesus's relief of those laws and is still in force.

Any Christians here want to enlighten us about how that supposedly works?


It's a convenient excuse for bigotry, since they hate they gays, but like shellfish and pork and mixed fabric clothing, getting tattoos, shaving and everything else in Leviticus. They can be assholes to gay people and then run and hide behind the Bibles they only own to thump on and scream "oppression!" of their religious beliefs.
 
2014-05-29 07:59:32 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Corvus: You know "gay-marriage" doesn't force man and woman married couples to get divorced.

Well it just lost my support!


I was hoping it was BOTH. I could get a man woman marriage AND a GAY marriage.
 
2014-05-29 08:00:39 PM  

RedPhoenix122: nmrsnr: RedPhoenix122: You mean bigots?

I'm sure that you are probably correct more than you are incorrect, but it is possible for someone to say "listen, if I created the universe, I'd want people to be happy in any way they can, but I fully, truly, and honestly believe that the Bible is the true and immutable word of God, and He says it's not cool. I didn't make the rule, and I don't like the rule, but who am I to countermand God?"

If you truly believe in God, this would not be a hypocritical position, just a sad one.

If they honestly truly believe that the Bible is the true and immutable word of God, then they should be fighting equally as hard against divorce.


If they honestly truly believe that the Bible is the true and immutable word of God, then they should be able to cite a single verse in which He says gays aren't allowed to get married.
 
2014-05-29 08:01:30 PM  

Ambivalence: No no no, subby, you're mistaken.  Republicans are trying to reach out to women and minorities, not gays.  They think gays should go fark themselves, which is only marginally worse than what they say to women and minorities.


Wait how can gays go fark other gays when republicans wanna bring back sodomy laws?
 
2014-05-29 08:03:44 PM  

Ambivalence: Benevolent Misanthrope: Wow.  Just... wow.

Being gay is more than just a part of my personality.  That's like saying being Black is just a part of a person's personality.  As long as the Republican Party tells gay people we should be ashamed for being who we are and we should not have the same rights as the rest of the populace, why in hell would any gay person seek to further that?  And don't say it's only a small part of Republicanism - one look at the news will tell you it's the goddamn centrepiece of their social agenda.

There are black republicans too.  There are women republicans.  There are all sorts of groups that are explicitly or implicity discriminated against by republicans, who are republicans.

I don't have any other explaination for it, and I have no intention to offend by my statements. I don't know how anyone who is openly gay can be a republican, except that they value other parts of their personality or other values more than being gay.


Masochism.

//all i gots
 
2014-05-29 08:04:46 PM  
Relax they're still invited to happy hour.
 
2014-05-29 08:05:32 PM  

Ambivalence: I don't have any other explaination for it, and I have no intention to offend by my statements. I don't know how anyone who is openly gay can be a republican, except that they value other parts of their personality or other values more than being gay.


Stockholm Syndrome.
 
2014-05-29 08:06:15 PM  

namatad: The state Republican Party's 2012 platform states its position on homosexuality:
We affirm that the practice of homosexuality tears at the fabric of society and contributes to the breakdown of the family unit. Homosexual behavior is contrary to the fundamental, unchanging truths that have been ordained by God, recognized by our country's founders, and shared by the majority of Texans. Homosexuality must not be presented as an acceptable "alternative" lifestyle, in public policy, nor should "family" be redefined to include homosexual "couples." We believe there should be no granting of special legal entitlements or creation of special status for homosexual behavior, regardless of state of origin. Additionally, we oppose any criminal or civil penalties against those who oppose homosexuality out of faith, conviction or belief in traditional values.


The GOP needs to implement a PURITY TEST and expel anyone who fails the test.
Woman works out of the house, has kids and didnt get permission from husband?
or is a single mom? buh bye
Gay? But havent gone public and prayed to god to be cured? buh bye
brown? adios
rape victim? get out you slut
abortion? STONE HER
drugs? death (unless it was harmless youthful indiscretion and you are a Bush)


You forgot Rush.
 
2014-05-29 08:06:30 PM  

Cyberluddite: FTFA:

The state Republican Party's 2012 platform states its position on homosexuality:

We affirm that the practice of homosexuality tears at the fabric of society and contributes to the breakdown of the family unit. Homosexual behavior is contrary to the fundamental, unchanging truths that have been ordained by God, recognized by our country's founders, and shared by the majority of Texans. Homosexuality must not be presented as an acceptable "alternative" lifestyle, in public policy, nor should "family" be redefined to include homosexual "couples." We believe there should be no granting of special legal entitlements or creation of special status for homosexual behavior, regardless of state of origin. Additionally, we oppose any criminal or civil penalties against those who oppose homosexuality out of faith, conviction or belief in traditional values.

Holy farking shiat. Official. Party. Policy. From the 21st Century and everything.


Ladies and gentlemen, your Republican Party. Anybody who wants to make the argument that their state's GOP isn't just as derpy, knock yourself out.
 
2014-05-29 08:07:03 PM  

Corvus: Umm they can still have there marriage. You know "gay-marriage" doesn't force man and woman married couples to get divorced. Did you not know this?

"Gay Marriage" legislation is not MANDATORY gay marriage. You get that?


Very good point.  Democrats believe marriage can be between a man and a woman as well as between two women or between two men.  As long as there are two consenting adults, we don't care who you marry. Where we draw the line is the idea that who someone marries should be LEGISLATED.

Also, if I may, life is so much more pleasant having pecker head on ignore.  Just a thought.
 
2014-05-29 08:08:23 PM  

Corvus: cameroncrazy1984: Corvus: You know "gay-marriage" doesn't force man and woman married couples to get divorced.

Well it just lost my support!

I was hoping it was BOTH. I could get a man woman marriage AND a GAY marriage.


Things that make ya say hmmm....
 
2014-05-29 08:08:57 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: namatad: The state Republican Party's 2012 platform states its position on homosexuality:
We affirm that the practice of homosexuality tears at the fabric of society and contributes to the breakdown of the family unit. Homosexual behavior is contrary to the fundamental, unchanging truths that have been ordained by God, recognized by our country's founders, and shared by the majority of Texans. Homosexuality must not be presented as an acceptable "alternative" lifestyle, in public policy, nor should "family" be redefined to include homosexual "couples." We believe there should be no granting of special legal entitlements or creation of special status for homosexual behavior, regardless of state of origin. Additionally, we oppose any criminal or civil penalties against those who oppose homosexuality out of faith, conviction or belief in traditional values.


The GOP needs to implement a PURITY TEST and expel anyone who fails the test.
Woman works out of the house, has kids and didnt get permission from husband?
or is a single mom? buh bye
Gay? But havent gone public and prayed to god to be cured? buh bye
brown? adios
rape victim? get out you slut
abortion? STONE HER
drugs? death (unless it was harmless youthful indiscretion and you are a Bush)

You forgot Rush.


Just replace "a Bush" with "ultra-rich" and it works in every case.
 
2014-05-29 08:09:27 PM  

Ambivalence: Benevolent Misanthrope: Wow.  Just... wow.

Being gay is more than just a part of my personality.  That's like saying being Black is just a part of a person's personality.  As long as the Republican Party tells gay people we should be ashamed for being who we are and we should not have the same rights as the rest of the populace, why in hell would any gay person seek to further that?  And don't say it's only a small part of Republicanism - one look at the news will tell you it's the goddamn centrepiece of their social agenda.

There are black republicans too.  There are women republicans.  There are all sorts of groups that are explicitly or implicity discriminated against by republicans, who are republicans.


So, here's a paraphrase of the current platform:

We affirm that the practice of homosexuality racial integration tears at the fabric of society and contributes to the breakdown of the family unit. Homosexualbehaviour Racial integration is contrary to the fundamental, unchanging truths that have been ordained by God, recognized by our country's founders, and shared by the majority of Texans. Homosexuality Racial integration must not be presented as an acceptable "alternative" lifestyle, in public policy, nor should "family" be redefined to include homosexual integrated "couples." We believe there should be no granting of special legal entitlements or creation of special status for homosexualbehaviour black people, regardless of state of origin. Additionally, we oppose any criminal or civil penalties against those who oppose homosexuality racial integration out of faith, conviction or belief in traditional values.

Now.  See how silly that sounds?
 
2014-05-29 08:09:36 PM  

SkinnyHead: "The Texas Democratic Party has always been proud to be the party of inclusion, the party of all people,"

So does that mean there will be a pro-marriage booth at the democrat convention?


If any of them are married already, then yes. In fact, all of the booths will be "pro-marriage", whatever that actually means.
 
2014-05-29 08:10:30 PM  
I'd be really interested to hear them defend the accuracy of this part of their dogma

the fundamental, unchanging truths that have been ordained by God

unchanging?
 
2014-05-29 08:11:39 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-05-29 08:12:11 PM  

DrBenway: Cyberluddite: FTFA:

The state Republican Party's 2012 platform states its position on homosexuality:

We affirm that the practice of homosexuality tears at the fabric of society and contributes to the breakdown of the family unit. Homosexual behavior is contrary to the fundamental, unchanging truths that have been ordained by God, recognized by our country's founders, and shared by the majority of Texans. Homosexuality must not be presented as an acceptable "alternative" lifestyle, in public policy, nor should "family" be redefined to include homosexual "couples." We believe there should be no granting of special legal entitlements or creation of special status for homosexual behavior, regardless of state of origin. Additionally, we oppose any criminal or civil penalties against those who oppose homosexuality out of faith, conviction or belief in traditional values.

Holy farking shiat. Official. Party. Policy. From the 21st Century and everything.

Ladies and gentlemen, your Republican Party. Anybody who wants to make the argument that their state's GOP isn't just as derpy, knock yourself out.


Yes it is that bad and they still get just under 50% of the vote and may take the Senate.

: /
 
2014-05-29 08:12:16 PM  

SkinnyHead: RedPhoenix122: SkinnyHead: "The Texas Democratic Party has always been proud to be the party of inclusion, the party of all people,"

So does that mean there will be a pro-marriage booth at the democrat convention?

Being for same-sex marriage IS pro-marriage, but nice try.

But what about people who believe that marriage is between a man and woman, based on their religious views?  Will the "party of inclusion, the party of all people" allow them to set up a booth at their convention?


What about them? No one is telling them they cannot get married. In fact, it is the exact opposite.
 
2014-05-29 08:12:35 PM  

DrBenway: The state Republican Party's 2012 platform states its position on homosexuality:

We affirm that the practice of homosexuality tears at the fabric of society and contributes to the breakdown of the family unit. Homosexual behavior is contrary to the fundamental, unchanging truths that have been ordained by God, recognized by our country's founders, and shared by the majority of Texans. Homosexuality must not be presented as an acceptable "alternative" lifestyle, in public policy, nor should "family" be redefined to include homosexual "couples." We believe there should be no granting of special legal entitlements or creation of special status for homosexual behavior, regardless of state of origin. Additionally, we oppose any criminal or civil penalties against those who oppose homosexuality out of faith, conviction or belief in traditional values.

Holy farking shiat. Official. Party. Policy. From the 21st Century and everything.

Ladies and gentlemen, your Republican Party. Anybody who wants to make the argument that their state's GOP isn't just as derpy, knock yourself out.


And these people are pants-shiattingly terrified of Sharia law? When mentioning their personal definition of God in their official platform? Outreach, in full effect.
 
2014-05-29 08:13:06 PM  
To be fair, they don't have a "Republicans who sodomize the opposite sex booth" either. Not that they don't like to do it, it's just that they don't feel there should be a booth for it.
 
2014-05-29 08:13:28 PM  

anfrind: tinfoil-hat maggie: namatad: The state Republican Party's 2012 platform states its position on homosexuality:
We affirm that the practice of homosexuality tears at the fabric of society and contributes to the breakdown of the family unit. Homosexual behavior is contrary to the fundamental, unchanging truths that have been ordained by God, recognized by our country's founders, and shared by the majority of Texans. Homosexuality must not be presented as an acceptable "alternative" lifestyle, in public policy, nor should "family" be redefined to include homosexual "couples." We believe there should be no granting of special legal entitlements or creation of special status for homosexual behavior, regardless of state of origin. Additionally, we oppose any criminal or civil penalties against those who oppose homosexuality out of faith, conviction or belief in traditional values.


The GOP needs to implement a PURITY TEST and expel anyone who fails the test.
Woman works out of the house, has kids and didnt get permission from husband?
or is a single mom? buh bye
Gay? But havent gone public and prayed to god to be cured? buh bye
brown? adios
rape victim? get out you slut
abortion? STONE HER
drugs? death (unless it was harmless youthful indiscretion and you are a Bush)

You forgot Rush.

Just replace "a Bush" with "ultra-rich" and it works in every case.


So true in our wonderful Corpocracy.
 
2014-05-29 08:13:51 PM  

kronicfeld: SkinnyHead: unless you just happen to be the wrong religion

Funny, I know quite a lot of pro-gay Christians. Actually, I'm not sure I know a single anti-gay Christian. Someone should tell them that they're apparently the wrong religion.


Some Christians, some Jews, and some Moslems oppose gay marriage for religious reasons.  I'm told that the Democrat Party -- "the party of inclusion, the party of all people" -- would exclude people with those religious views because they are "bigots."   A party that disparages and excludes people on account of their religious views doesn't sound like the party of inclusion, the party of all people.
 
2014-05-29 08:13:53 PM  
The booth design they submitted

i57.tinypic.com
 
2014-05-29 08:14:25 PM  

SkinnyHead: RedPhoenix122: SkinnyHead: "The Texas Democratic Party has always been proud to be the party of inclusion, the party of all people,"

So does that mean there will be a pro-marriage booth at the democrat convention?

Being for same-sex marriage IS pro-marriage, but nice try.

But what about people who believe that marriage is between a man and woman, based on their religious views?  Will the "party of inclusion, the party of all people" allow them to set up a booth at their convention?


As a Texas Democrat, I say, "sure, why the hell not?"  As your contrast implies, your party is the party of bigotry and exclusion, while my party is the party of inclusion.  So, yeah, I'm OK with it.
 
2014-05-29 08:15:07 PM  

SkinnyHead: RedPhoenix122: SkinnyHead: But what about people who believe that marriage is between a man and woman, based on their religious views?

You mean bigots?  Probably not, just as I doubt they have booths for white supremacists.

But isn't that ironic?  Democrats are proud to be the "party of inclusion, the party of all people," unless you just happen to be the wrong religion.  Then they call you dirty names and tell you to get lost.


Unless you are black, or gay, or woman, or poor, or the wrong brand of religion. The GOP then tells them to go away and be different somewhere else.
 
2014-05-29 08:16:03 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: To be fair, they don't have a "Republicans who sodomize the opposite sex booth" either. Not that they don't like to do it, it's just that they don't feel there should be a booth for it.


Are you trying to suggest that republicans that have sex with the opposite gender do more than missionary and close their eyes and thing of St Reagan?
 
2014-05-29 08:16:37 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: To be fair, they don't have a "Republicans who sodomize the opposite sex booth" either. Not that they don't like to do it, it's just that they don't feel there should be a booth for it.


That's a legal issue? Huh.
 
2014-05-29 08:17:55 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: [img.fark.net image 645x312]


I am now wondering what a gay cake would be like. Is it fabulous?
 
2014-05-29 08:18:13 PM  

Zeppelininthesky: But isn't that ironic? Democrats are proud to be the "party of inclusion, the party of all people," unless you just happen to be the wrong religion. Then they call you dirty names and tell you to get lost.

Unless you are black, or gay, or woman, or poor, or the wrong brand of religion. The GOP then tells them to go away and be different somewhere else.


And never mind that most of the Democrats in the House, Senate, and the President and Vice Presidennt themselves, claim to be of some Christian or Jewish denomination. They just don't try to let their personal religious beliefs rule the rest of us.
 
2014-05-29 08:19:03 PM  
I don't "get" the Log Cabin Republicans. It's like the Black Klansmen, or the Jewish Nazis. It makes no sense.
 
2014-05-29 08:19:21 PM  

SkinnyHead: kronicfeld: SkinnyHead: unless you just happen to be the wrong religion

Funny, I know quite a lot of pro-gay Christians. Actually, I'm not sure I know a single anti-gay Christian. Someone should tell them that they're apparently the wrong religion.

Some Christians, some Jews, and some Moslems oppose gay marriage for religious reasons.  I'm told that the Democrat Party -- "the party of inclusion, the party of all people" -- would exclude people with those religious views because they are "bigots."   A party that disparages and excludes people on account of their religious views doesn't sound like the party of inclusion, the party of all people.


They oppose gays because they are bigots. The bible does not actually tell them to hate gays.
 
2014-05-29 08:19:32 PM  

SkinnyHead: kronicfeld: SkinnyHead: unless you just happen to be the wrong religion

Funny, I know quite a lot of pro-gay Christians. Actually, I'm not sure I know a single anti-gay Christian. Someone should tell them that they're apparently the wrong religion.

Some Christians, some Jews, and some Moslems oppose gay marriage for religious reasons.  I'm told that the Democrat Party -- "the party of inclusion, the party of all people" -- would exclude people with those religious views because they are "bigots."   A party that disparages and excludes people on account of their religious views doesn't sound like the party of inclusion, the party of all people.


OK, you've been on a rant, so I'll try to explain this to you and anyone who might have been swayed by your drivel.

The Democratic party does not care about your choice of religious.  Christian, Jew, Muslim, atheist - they don't care.  What they do get worked up about is when you try to take your religious views and write them into secular law.

We kind of have a thing about that whole 'separation of church and state' bit in the First Amendment.
 
2014-05-29 08:19:48 PM  
If you're a Log Cabin Republican, getting a booth at the Texas state GOP convention is the least of your problems.
 
2014-05-29 08:19:55 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Noam Chimpsky: To be fair, they don't have a "Republicans who sodomize the opposite sex booth" either. Not that they don't like to do it, it's just that they don't feel there should be a booth for it.

That's a legal issue? Huh.


With the chimpster, it's all about the buttf**kin'.
 
2014-05-29 08:22:17 PM  

Zeppelininthesky: They oppose gays because they are bigots. The bible does not actually tell them to hate gays.


The Bible doesn't tell anybody anything - it's a f**king book - it can't talk.
People go to the Bible to get approval for whatever they want to do out of it.
It will "say" whatever you want it to.
 
2014-05-29 08:22:55 PM  

SkinnyHead: I'm told that the Democrat Party -- "the party of inclusion, the party of all people" -- would exclude people with those religious views because they are "bigots."


I'm sure that's only one of the many interesting things the voices in your head tell you.  But there is no such party by that name in America, despite what you might hear from Mr. Hannity and Mr. Limbaugh.
 
2014-05-29 08:26:05 PM  

jso2897: I don't "get" the Log Cabin Republicans. It's like the Black Klansmen, or the Jewish Nazis. It makes no sense.


Likewise, I don't "get" women who refuse to leave abusive boyfriends or husbands, but they do exist, and in disturbingly large numbers.
 
2014-05-29 08:28:53 PM  

SkinnyHead: Some Christians, some Jews, and some Moslems oppose gay marriage for religious reasons.


And those people are %100 free to not get gay married.

It's only when they want to use their religious reasons to tell  other people how to live their lives that it becomes a problem.

What part of this confuses you?
 
2014-05-29 08:32:05 PM  
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/Hot.
 
2014-05-29 08:34:09 PM  

Zeppelininthesky: Soup4Bonnie: [img.fark.net image 645x312]

I am now wondering what a gay cake would be like. Is it fabulous?


GIS "gay cake." It turns up some pretty fabulous stuff.
 
2014-05-29 08:34:43 PM  

SkinnyHead: RedPhoenix122: SkinnyHead: "The Texas Democratic Party has always been proud to be the party of inclusion, the party of all people,"

So does that mean there will be a pro-marriage booth at the democrat convention?

Being for same-sex marriage IS pro-marriage, but nice try.

But what about people who believe that marriage is between a man and woman, based on their religious views?  Will the "party of inclusion, the party of all people" allow them to set up a booth at their convention?


I don't know, why don't you get a proposal together and see what happens?
 
2014-05-29 08:37:31 PM  

anfrind: Likewise, I don't "get" women who refuse to leave abusive boyfriends or husbands, but they do exist, and in disturbingly large numbers.


One, the abusive boyfriend/husband can be incredibly, convincingly contrite.
Two, the abuse usually ends for a period after an incident and the woman is treated like a princess.
Three, the heart is sometimes strong than, if not smarter than, the mind.

That's why I stayed married almost 3 years.
 
2014-05-29 08:39:52 PM  
Being a gay republican is like being a Jew who wants to join the Aryan Nations.
 
2014-05-29 08:40:17 PM  

Zeppelininthesky: I am now wondering what a gay cake would be like. Is it fabulous?


Taste the rainbow.
 
2014-05-29 08:46:20 PM  
That bullshiat decision will be changed and an apology extended within 30 days.
 
2014-05-29 08:50:15 PM  

Karac: The Democratic party does not care about your choice of religious. Christian, Jew, Muslim, atheist - they don't care. What they do get worked up about is when you try to take your religious views and write them into secular law.

We kind of have a thing about that whole 'separation of church and state' bit in the First Amendment.


I understand.  That's why the Democrat party is not a "the party of inclusion, the party of all people," as they claim.  They believe that religious people should not be entitled to have a voice in deciding such things as the definition of marriage.  They don't believe that the issue should be determined democratically, by the vote of the people of each state.  Instead, they think that the issue should be determined undemocratically.  That's why they're called the Democrat party, not the "Democratic" Party.
 
2014-05-29 08:50:30 PM  
They don't want to be greeted by name.  Not out in public like that.
 
2014-05-29 08:53:08 PM  

SkinnyHead: RedPhoenix122: SkinnyHead: But what about people who believe that marriage is between a man and woman, based on their religious views?

You mean bigots?  Probably not, just as I doubt they have booths for white supremacists.

But isn't that ironic?  Democrats are proud to be the "party of inclusion, the party of all people," unless you just happen to be the wrong religion.  Then they call you dirty names and tell you to get lost.


And yet you keep coming back.
Can't you take a hint?
 
2014-05-29 08:55:46 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: [img.fark.net image 645x312]


LOL
 
2014-05-29 08:57:49 PM  
Are you saying the Democrats are gonna have a hetero booth at their convention?. I'm guessing they won't.  Breeders are eeeevil.
 
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