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2014-05-29 06:03:51 PM  
So does that mean they will have to go be gay somewhere else?
 
2014-05-29 06:06:02 PM  
No no no, subby, you're mistaken.  Republicans are trying to reach out to women and minorities, not gays.  They think gays should go fark themselves, which is only marginally worse than what they say to women and minorities.
 
2014-05-29 06:06:24 PM  
It's like the GOP *wants* to become irrelevant.
 
2014-05-29 06:23:06 PM  
"The Texas Democratic Party has always been proud to be the party of inclusion, the party of all people,"

So does that mean there will be a pro-marriage booth at the democrat convention?
 
2014-05-29 06:25:06 PM  

SkinnyHead: "The Texas Democratic Party has always been proud to be the party of inclusion, the party of all people,"

So does that mean there will be a pro-marriage booth at the democrat convention?


Being for same-sex marriage IS pro-marriage, but nice try.
 
2014-05-29 06:29:12 PM  
And yet they're still Republicans. "But I love him! I believe in him. He'll change!"

 

Ambivalence: No no no, subby, you're mistaken.  Republicans are trying to reach out to women and minorities, not gays.  They think gays should go fark themselves, which is only marginally worse than what they say to women and minorities.


Their gay outreach only makes it as far as the nearest public restroom.
 
2014-05-29 06:32:48 PM  
If the democrat communist party is so inclusive, why doesn't it have booths for pedophiles, human traffickers,  Republicans and American Hero Cliven Bundy, huh? Huh? Huh?
 
2014-05-29 06:34:00 PM  

RedPhoenix122: Being for same-sex marriage IS pro-marriage, but nice try.


Good one, and very true.
 
2014-05-29 06:35:42 PM  
Um, subby? Maybe you could try studying American history before you make stupid comments? Look at black people in America. For centuries, white people enslaved black people, then segregated them, then denied them voting rights, and what happened as a result? Black people rose up and achieved greatness and equality. It's a similar story with women...for a long time, they were basically the property of men. They suffered abuse, they couldn't vote. But their adversities gave them strength, and now they have jobs and earn almost as much as men.

Would black people and women have been able to achieve these goals, win despite all the various adversities in their path, if things had simply been handed to them from the beginning? If they'd been like spoiled rich children born with silver spoons in their mouths?

That right there is the basic divide between Right and Left in America. The Right says, "I believe in your ability to overcome." The Left says, "I don't believe you can succeed without my handouts and concern." Which is truly the more enlightened view? I ask you that.
 
2014-05-29 06:36:13 PM  
Texas GOP blocks Log Cabin Republicans

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Is it because there's no high-fructose corn syrup?
 
2014-05-29 06:37:21 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Texas GOP blocks Log Cabin Republicans

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Is it because there's no high-fructose corn syrup?


Some of them prefer syrup.
I prefer jelly.
 
2014-05-29 06:38:37 PM  

RedPhoenix122: SkinnyHead: "The Texas Democratic Party has always been proud to be the party of inclusion, the party of all people,"

So does that mean there will be a pro-marriage booth at the democrat convention?

Being for same-sex marriage IS pro-marriage, but nice try.


But what about people who believe that marriage is between a man and woman, based on their religious views?  Will the "party of inclusion, the party of all people" allow them to set up a booth at their convention?
 
2014-05-29 06:41:29 PM  
Steve Munisteri, chairman of the Texas Republican Party, confirmed to TPM that the group's application was denied because of its stance on gay marriage. He explained that the Texas GOP has a formal policy against allowing groups that advocate positions contrary its platform to have booths at conventions.

I simply cannot fathom why any gay person would ever even consider voting Republican.  Honestly.
 
2014-05-29 06:50:13 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: I simply cannot fathom why any gay person would ever even consider voting Republican.  Honestly.


Because they don't want lazy poors to get welfare? Because they hate taxes? Because they buy into the whole free market Randian crap many republicans do? Because they're gun nuts and want to protect their rights to carry assault rifles?

Being gay is just one facet of any person's personality.  There is always something more, and sometimes it's that more that leads them to think the republican party is pretty awesome.
 
2014-05-29 06:54:17 PM  

Ambivalence: They think gays should go fark themselves,


I'm pretty sure Republicans are against that, too.
 
2014-05-29 06:58:22 PM  
FTFA:

The state Republican Party's 2012 platform states its position on homosexuality:

We affirm that the practice of homosexuality tears at the fabric of society and contributes to the breakdown of the family unit. Homosexual behavior is contrary to the fundamental, unchanging truths that have been ordained by God, recognized by our country's founders, and shared by the majority of Texans. Homosexuality must not be presented as an acceptable "alternative" lifestyle, in public policy, nor should "family" be redefined to include homosexual "couples." We believe there should be no granting of special legal entitlements or creation of special status for homosexual behavior, regardless of state of origin. Additionally, we oppose any criminal or civil penalties against those who oppose homosexuality out of faith, conviction or belief in traditional values.


Holy farking shiat.   Official.  Party.  Policy.  From the 21st Century and everything.

Well--to put this in Texas-style language--if the Log Crammin' Republicans are a-gonna willingly and knowingly lie down with dogs like that, it's hard to sypathize with them when they git 'em some fleas.
 
2014-05-29 07:02:08 PM  

Ambivalence: Benevolent Misanthrope: I simply cannot fathom why any gay person would ever even consider voting Republican.  Honestly.

Because they don't want lazy poors to get welfare? Because they hate taxes? Because they buy into the whole free market Randian crap many republicans do? Because they're gun nuts and want to protect their rights to carry assault rifles?

Being gay is just one facet of any person's personality.  There is always something more, and sometimes it's that more that leads them to think the republican party is pretty awesome.


Wow.  Just... wow.

Being gay is more than just a part of my personality.  That's like saying being Black is just a part of a person's personality.  As long as the Republican Party tells gay people we should be ashamed for being who we are and we should not have the same rights as the rest of the populace, why in hell would any gay person seek to further that?  And don't say it's only a small part of Republicanism - one look at the news will tell you it's the goddamn centrepiece of their social agenda.
 
2014-05-29 07:10:56 PM  

SkinnyHead: But what about people who believe that marriage is between a man and woman, based on their religious views?


You mean bigots?  Probably not, just as I doubt they have booths for white supremacists.
 
2014-05-29 07:11:41 PM  

Ambivalence: Being gay is just one facet of any person's personality. There is always something more, and sometimes it's that more that leads them to think the republican party is pretty awesome.


I hear this argument and it's never been convincing. There are opinions that I hold that are against the accepted platform of my party, and that's fine, because 90% of the platform I agree with, and I can accept disagreement on some things because nothing is perfect. But that's a difference of opinion an intellectual and mutable part of a person's personality. It is a different thing entirely when the party has as a plank of their platform the notion that you and not an opinion you have, are a problem.

Opinions change, maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'll come around to their point of view, maybe it's not that important to me, anyway, but it's an opinion.
Who and what I am does not change, there's no way to accept that you don't think I, as a person, am worthwhile.

/Not gay, but I can't see how telling someone they are a thing that should be shunned is acceptable as a party policy.
 
2014-05-29 07:14:17 PM  

RedPhoenix122: You mean bigots?


I'm sure that you are probably correct more than you are incorrect, but it is possible for someone to say "listen, if I created the universe, I'd want people to be happy in any way they can, but I fully, truly, and honestly believe that the Bible is the true and immutable word of God, and He says it's not cool. I didn't make the rule, and I don't like the rule, but who am I to countermand God?"

If you truly believe in God, this would not be a hypocritical position, just a sad one.
 
2014-05-29 07:19:39 PM  

RedPhoenix122: SkinnyHead: But what about people who believe that marriage is between a man and woman, based on their religious views?

You mean bigots?  Probably not, just as I doubt they have booths for white supremacists.


That just proves Democrats are the real racists.
 
2014-05-29 07:20:15 PM  

Ambivalence: Being gay is just one facet of any person's personality. There is always something more, and sometimes it's that more that leads them to think the republican party is pretty awesome.


Well, yes, but when they actively hate you for that facet of your personality, which is a rather significant facet, you'd think you'd find it impossible to vote for them.

I know they hate me, as a woman.  You couldn't pay me to vote for a Republican.
 
2014-05-29 07:20:39 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Ambivalence: Benevolent Misanthrope: I simply cannot fathom why any gay person would ever even consider voting Republican.  Honestly.

Because they don't want lazy poors to get welfare? Because they hate taxes? Because they buy into the whole free market Randian crap many republicans do? Because they're gun nuts and want to protect their rights to carry assault rifles?

Being gay is just one facet of any person's personality.  There is always something more, and sometimes it's that more that leads them to think the republican party is pretty awesome.

Wow.  Just... wow.

Being gay is more than just a part of my personality.  That's like saying being Black is just a part of a person's personality.  As long as the Republican Party tells gay people we should be ashamed for being who we are and we should not have the same rights as the rest of the populace, why in hell would any gay person seek to further that?  And don't say it's only a small part of Republicanism - one look at the news will tell you it's the goddamn centrepiece of their social agenda.


On the other side of the coin, a few of my gay friends and acquaintances are ultra-conservative (especially economically), wealthy, country-club types who basically you could almost confuse with Mitt Romney (if Mittens finally ever came out of the closet).  They line up with the Dems on no issues, and line up exactly with the GOP on virtually every issue except gay issues.

Guess how many Republicans they vote for?  Approximately the same number I vote for--zero.  They hold their noses and vote for Dems or third party candidates even though they disagree with 90% of their platforms.  And, let's face it, they would have to be idiots to vote for a party that essentially views them as evil scum that are should be denied the basic rights enjoyed by any other citizen.  So I guess we can kinda thank the "big tent" GOP for turning away votes (and lots of campaign cash) that they would otherwise reap, and instead driving them into the opposition's camp.
 
2014-05-29 07:23:08 PM  

SkinnyHead: RedPhoenix122: SkinnyHead: "The Texas Democratic Party has always been proud to be the party of inclusion, the party of all people,"

So does that mean there will be a pro-marriage booth at the democrat convention?

Being for same-sex marriage IS pro-marriage, but nice try.

But what about people who believe that marriage is between a man and woman, based on their religious views?  Will the "party of inclusion, the party of all people" allow them to set up a booth at their convention?


They tend not to be Democrats.
 
2014-05-29 07:25:42 PM  

nmrsnr: RedPhoenix122: You mean bigots?

I'm sure that you are probably correct more than you are incorrect, but it is possible for someone to say "listen, if I created the universe, I'd want people to be happy in any way they can, but I fully, truly, and honestly believe that the Bible is the true and immutable word of God, and He says it's not cool. I didn't make the rule, and I don't like the rule, but who am I to countermand God?"

If you truly believe in God, this would not be a hypocritical position, just a sad one.


If they honestly truly believe that the Bible is the true and immutable word of God, then they should be fighting equally as hard against divorce.
 
2014-05-29 07:26:35 PM  
The state Republican Party's 2012 platform states its position on homosexuality:
We affirm that the practice of homosexuality tears at the fabric of society and contributes to the breakdown of the family unit. Homosexual behavior is contrary to the fundamental, unchanging truths that have been ordained by God, recognized by our country's founders, and shared by the majority of Texans. Homosexuality must not be presented as an acceptable "alternative" lifestyle, in public policy, nor should "family" be redefined to include homosexual "couples." We believe there should be no granting of special legal entitlements or creation of special status for homosexual behavior, regardless of state of origin. Additionally, we oppose any criminal or civil penalties against those who oppose homosexuality out of faith, conviction or belief in traditional values.


The GOP needs to implement a PURITY TEST and expel anyone who fails the test.
Woman works out of the house, has kids and didnt get permission from husband?
or is a single mom? buh bye
Gay? But havent gone public and prayed to god to be cured? buh bye
brown? adios
rape victim? get out you slut
abortion? STONE HER
drugs? death (unless it was harmless youthful indiscretion and you are a Bush)
 
2014-05-29 07:26:45 PM  

RedPhoenix122: SkinnyHead: But what about people who believe that marriage is between a man and woman, based on their religious views?

You mean bigots?  Probably not, just as I doubt they have booths for white supremacists.


But isn't that ironic?  Democrats are proud to be the "party of inclusion, the party of all people," unless you just happen to be the wrong religion.  Then they call you dirty names and tell you to get lost.
 
2014-05-29 07:27:52 PM  

SkinnyHead: RedPhoenix122: SkinnyHead: "The Texas Democratic Party has always been proud to be the party of inclusion, the party of all people,"

So does that mean there will be a pro-marriage booth at the democrat convention?

Being for same-sex marriage IS pro-marriage, but nice try.

But what about people who believe that marriage is between a man and woman, based on their religious views?  Will the "party of inclusion, the party of all people" allow them to set up a booth at their convention?


Hell - in Washington State, the Dems run them for office until they turn their coats.
 
2014-05-29 07:27:52 PM  

Ambivalence: Being gay is just one facet of any person's personality. There is always something more, and sometimes it's that more that leads them to think the republican party is pretty awesome.


I know several gay Republicans.  No, I haven't been hanging out at airport bathrooms. :P

/they're mostly under 25 for some reason
 
2014-05-29 07:28:28 PM  

SkinnyHead: RedPhoenix122: SkinnyHead: But what about people who believe that marriage is between a man and woman, based on their religious views?

You mean bigots?  Probably not, just as I doubt they have booths for white supremacists.

But isn't that ironic?  Democrats are proud to be the "party of inclusion, the party of all people," unless you just happen to be the wrong religion.  Then they call you dirty names and tell you to get lost.


See, here's where you're wrong.  Most believe in whatever they want, but that their religions shouldn't dictate politics.
 
2014-05-29 07:29:12 PM  

SkinnyHead: RedPhoenix122: SkinnyHead: But what about people who believe that marriage is between a man and woman, based on their religious views?

You mean bigots? Probably not, just as I doubt they have booths for white supremacists.

But isn't that ironic?


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/seemed really appropriate for this thread
 
2014-05-29 07:29:20 PM  

nmrsnr: RedPhoenix122: You mean bigots?

I'm sure that you are probably correct more than you are incorrect, but it is possible for someone to say "listen, if I created the universe, I'd want people to be happy in any way they can, but I fully, truly, and honestly believe that the Bible is the true and immutable word of God, and He says it's not cool. I didn't make the rule, and I don't like the rule, but who am I to countermand God?"

If you truly believe in God, this would not be a hypocritical position, just a sad one.


Perhaps, but only as long as these people also would have the same reaction to eating shrimp (or bacon), ordering a cheeseburger, or engaging in sex with one's spouse while the wife is on her period.  Because otherwise that would be hypocritical.
 
2014-05-29 07:29:36 PM  

nmrsnr: I'm sure that you are probably correct more than you are incorrect, but it is possible for someone to say "listen, if I created the universe, I'd want people to be happy in any way they can, but I fully, truly, and honestly believe that the Bible is the true and immutable word of God, and He says it's not cool. I didn't make the rule, and I don't like the rule, but who am I to countermand God?"

If you truly believe in God, this would not be a hypocritical position, just a sad one.


I'm cool with that except they pick and choose. The Bible is not full of anti-gay rhetoric, it barely even mentions homosexuality and the line they always use is open to interpretation.  There are tons and tons of rules in the Bible -- express rules -- and they ignore those.  Jesus wasn't hateful.  Jesus was inclusive. Jesus cared about the poor.

Almost everything they do is hypocritical.
 
2014-05-29 07:31:45 PM  

xanadian: Ambivalence: Being gay is just one facet of any person's personality. There is always something more, and sometimes it's that more that leads them to think the republican party is pretty awesome.

I know several gay Republicans.  No, I haven't been hanging out at airport bathrooms. :P

/they're mostly under 25 for some reason


gay
under 25
republican

let me guess,
rich and white and going to inherit a ton of money ?
 
2014-05-29 07:33:50 PM  

Cyberluddite: Perhaps, but only as long as these people also would have the same reaction to eating shrimp (or bacon), ordering a cheeseburger, or engaging in sex with one's spouse while the wife is on her period. Because otherwise that would be hypocritical.


yup.
 
2014-05-29 07:39:43 PM  

namatad: xanadian: Ambivalence: Being gay is just one facet of any person's personality. There is always something more, and sometimes it's that more that leads them to think the republican party is pretty awesome.

I know several gay Republicans.  No, I haven't been hanging out at airport bathrooms. :P

/they're mostly under 25 for some reason

gay
under 25
republican

let me guess,
rich and white and going to inherit a ton of money ?


Not the guys I know.  There's one who's about my age who's sort of well-off (not from a rich family--he earned his cash), but that's it.  These 25-and-under gay republicans also had a big hard-on for RON PAUL when he was running.

Uh.  Not...not that kind of hard-on.

Again...it's anecdotal.  I'm talking about maybe 5 people, tops.  Even my boyfriend leans to the right.  And it's not because he has a gimpy leg, either.

Ba dum bum bssh.

/also, I live in the f#*%ing County.  Northern Deliverance country.  I think people up here are *born* Republican
 
2014-05-29 07:41:01 PM  
... I guess I should've said "some" instead of "several," even though "several" is *technically* correct.

Or something.

I should go get another beer.
 
2014-05-29 07:42:39 PM  

SkinnyHead: unless you just happen to be the wrong religion


Funny, I know quite a lot of pro-gay Christians. Actually, I'm not sure I know a single anti-gay Christian. Someone should tell them that they're apparently the wrong religion.
 
2014-05-29 07:46:45 PM  

serpent_sky: I'm cool with that except they pick and choose. The Bible is not full of anti-gay rhetoric, it barely even mentions homosexuality and the line they always use is open to interpretation.  There are tons and tons of rules in the Bible -- express rules -- and they ignore those.  Jesus wasn't hateful.  Jesus was inclusive. Jesus cared about the poor.


Not to mention--and I'm no biblical scholar here, in fact, I'll admit that I'm about the furthest thing from it--that I thought that deal was that Jesus supposedly relieved his followers of following the Lord's laws/curses spelled out in Leviticus (which of course is what they claim as their source for the supposed godly ban on homosexuality) by taking on the burden of those laws himself.  So for some reason Christians seem to feel that Jebus gave them the thumbs-up to eat pork and shellfish, and shave their beards if they want, but yet that somehow the one passage of Leviticus about how a man must not "lie with a man as he lieth with a woman" is exempted from Jesus's relief of those laws and is still in force.

Any Christians here want to enlighten us about how that supposedly works?
 
2014-05-29 07:51:46 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Um, subby? Maybe you could try studying American history before you make stupid comments? Look at black people in America. For centuries, white people enslaved black people, then segregated them, then denied them voting rights, and what happened as a result? Black people rose up and achieved greatness and equality. It's a similar story with women...for a long time, they were basically the property of men. They suffered abuse, they couldn't vote. But their adversities gave them strength, and now they have jobs and earn almost as much as men.

Would black people and women have been able to achieve these goals, win despite all the various adversities in their path, if things had simply been handed to them from the beginning? If they'd been like spoiled rich children born with silver spoons in their mouths?

That right there is the basic divide between Right and Left in America. The Right says, "I believe in your ability to overcome." The Left says, "I don't believe you can succeed without my handouts and concern." Which is truly the more enlightened view? I ask you that.


Wow, that's just breathtaking. Because if you repeated that to an actual Republican, he would agree wholeheartedly.
 
2014-05-29 07:51:58 PM  

SkinnyHead: "The Texas Democratic Party has always been proud to be the party of inclusion, the party of all people,"

So does that mean there will be a pro-marriage booth at the democrat convention?


wow. Yeah sure. I think most Democrats are pro-marriage.

The only "anti-marriage" people I know are the "I am against the institution of marriage but I seem to only bring it up in the context of stopping gay marriage" "libertarians".
 
2014-05-29 07:53:19 PM  
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Sorry but I have zero sympathy for the Uncle Tom's log cabin republicans.
 
2014-05-29 07:54:15 PM  

SkinnyHead: But what about people who believe that marriage is between a man and woman, based on their religious views?


Uh...marriage already IS between a man and a woman, and will continue to be once we legalize it for all adults regardless of gender.
 
2014-05-29 07:54:59 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Wow.  Just... wow.

Being gay is more than just a part of my personality.  That's like saying being Black is just a part of a person's personality.  As long as the Republican Party tells gay people we should be ashamed for being who we are and we should not have the same rights as the rest of the populace, why in hell would any gay person seek to further that?  And don't say it's only a small part of Republicanism - one look at the news will tell you it's the goddamn centrepiece of their social agenda.


There are black republicans too.  There are women republicans.  There are all sorts of groups that are explicitly or implicity discriminated against by republicans, who are republicans.

I don't have any other explaination for it, and I have no intention to offend by my statements. I don't know how anyone who is openly gay can be a republican, except that they value other parts of their personality or other values more than being gay.
 
2014-05-29 07:55:17 PM  

SkinnyHead: RedPhoenix122: SkinnyHead: But what about people who believe that marriage is between a man and woman, based on their religious views?

You mean bigots?  Probably not, just as I doubt they have booths for white supremacists.

But isn't that ironic?  Democrats are proud to be the "party of inclusion, the party of all people," unless you just happen to be the wrong religion.  Then they call you dirty names and tell you to get lost.


Wow you are really funny today. What religion is the "wrong" religion in the Democratic party?


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2014-05-29 07:56:46 PM  

SkinnyHead: But what about people who believe that marriage is between a man and woman, based on their religious views? Will the "party of inclusion, the party of all people" allow them to set up a booth at their convention?


Umm they can still have there marriage. You know "gay-marriage" doesn't force man and woman married couples to get divorced. Did you not know this?

"Gay Marriage" legislation is not MANDATORY gay marriage. You get that?
 
2014-05-29 07:57:10 PM  
Dear Log Cabin Republicans:

You are not really Republicans.  The Republican party, in none of it's forms - establishment, Tea Party, or Libertarian - will ever stop trying to curtail the rights of homosexuals.  Just look at how they treat African-Americans.  Decades after the end of segregation and Jim Crow and they're still trying to take away their right to vote.

You can cheer on cutting taxes for job creators.  You can cheer on deregulation for industry and allowing them to pollute as they will.  You can cheer on demonizing the poor and other minorities.  You can cheer on Birtherism, Agenda 21ers, gun nuts, and tough-on-crime types.

But no matter what you do, the rest of the Republican party will never, ever, ever fark you.
At least not in public.  They'll probably still let you suck them off through a gloryhole at the next convention.  You'll have to buy a ticket though to come in like the rest of the hoi palloi - they won't give you a backstage pass either.
 
2014-05-29 07:57:25 PM  

Corvus: You know "gay-marriage" doesn't force man and woman married couples to get divorced.


Well it just lost my support!
 
2014-05-29 07:58:22 PM  

DrBenway: And yet they're still Republicans. "But I love him! I believe in him. He'll change!"

 Ambivalence: No no no, subby, you're mistaken.  Republicans are trying to reach out to women and minorities, not gays.  They think gays should go fark themselves, which is only marginally worse than what they say to women and minorities.

Their gay outreach only makes it as far as the nearest public restroom.


Well, a stall is a kind of booth....
 
2014-05-29 07:58:48 PM  

namatad: xanadian: Ambivalence: Being gay is just one facet of any person's personality. There is always something more, and sometimes it's that more that leads them to think the republican party is pretty awesome.

I know several gay Republicans.  No, I haven't been hanging out at airport bathrooms. :P

/they're mostly under 25 for some reason

gay
under 25
republican

let me guess,
rich and white and going to inherit a ton of money ?


I knew a couple. They were basically  totally clueless about the actual positions of the Republican party.

I believe one I know changed after she married her GF and realized that their "smaller government" was actually BS when it affected her.
 
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