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2014-05-29 05:48:07 PM
I sleep... but I dream.  I start dreaming immediately and, as far as I can tell, I don't ever sleep without dreaming.  I hit snooze and sleep for ten minutes and during that time I dream of things that seems to last hours or days.  Every night of my life is like weeks, months or even years lived of a thousand different lives.  It's exhausting.
 
2014-05-29 06:09:08 PM
Yeah, this will keep me up tonight.
 
2014-05-29 06:22:59 PM
This happens to me on a regular basis.  I lie awake all night, tossing and turning, going over everything I need to do the next day, debating just giving up on it and getting up, then convincing myself to  try to get some sleep or at least relax... and then the alarm goes off and it turns out I've been asleep (but not resting) the whole time.

It's very disconcerting.  Every time.
 
2014-05-29 06:29:07 PM

timujin: I sleep... but I dream.  I start dreaming immediately and, as far as I can tell, I don't ever sleep without dreaming.  I hit snooze and sleep for ten minutes and during that time I dream of things that seems to last hours or days.  Every night of my life is like weeks, months or even years lived of a thousand different lives.  It's exhausting.


I have nights like that.  Not always, but...enough.
 
2014-05-29 06:53:32 PM

Ambivalence: timujin: I sleep... but I dream.  I start dreaming immediately and, as far as I can tell, I don't ever sleep without dreaming.  I hit snooze and sleep for ten minutes and during that time I dream of things that seems to last hours or days.  Every night of my life is like weeks, months or even years lived of a thousand different lives.  It's exhausting.

I have nights like that.  Not always, but...enough.


It's the rule rather than the exception.  Maybe once or twice a year isn't like that, but it's been that way my entire life.
 
2014-05-29 07:59:13 PM
I wonder if I could get checked for this...I always feel like I wake up in the morning having taken a jog around the city.  ....but, I guess, that would be more like somnambulism.  *shrug*
 
2014-05-29 08:08:34 PM
Eh.. some nights I stay up cashing in my bad luck. Some nights I call it a draw.
 
2014-05-29 08:26:48 PM
Arthur Chu thinks that they should just grow up and get a normal sleeping cycle.
 
2014-05-29 08:52:51 PM
Definitely has a night of dreaming about my "to do" list last night. Was really annoying.
 
2014-05-29 09:39:55 PM
A year ago I had a good night's sleep. I woke up rested, ready to face the day. I remember it very clearly because it was the first restful sleep I had in a VERY long time. I haven't had one since.
 
2014-05-29 09:40:44 PM
I went in for a sleep study once and found out where all my unexplained bruises come from. When i start to go into REM sleep, when my body is supposed to be paralyzed, i punch and kick myself out of it. I never go into REM or past it. My doc gave me some pills for restless leg syndrome, after all these years of making fun of it and not knowing what it was. Then i had my first dream. I couldn't handle it. My doc was confused and sent me to a psych, and he seemed to believe that since i had never dreamed before, my brain wasn't ready for the non-realistic portions and it interpreted it all as REAL. Since most people have had dreams their whole lives, whether or not they remember them in the morning, they are used to them. Since i had never had them, my brain didn't know what to do.

I went back to my restless sleep.
 
2014-05-29 09:47:07 PM
Sometimes I dream that I'm searching for a place to sleep, all night long, under cars, on benches, wherever it looks like I can lay down in the dream I will try, but for whatever reason I can't find a place to sleep.

I also sometimes wake up in the middle of the night with a severe anxiety that I won't be able to get back to sleep.   I already take 1200mg of seroquel a night, which should knock out an elephant, but I sometimes have to supplement that with xanax and sonata.
 
2014-05-29 09:52:06 PM

Jeng: 1200mg of seroquel a night


That's a lot! I tried that stuff out and the only difference it made in my life was that i wanted to eat a cake. I mixed up some batter from a box recipe and my wife walked in and asked why i had eaten half of the batter. I didn't even notice that i had been eating it raw.
 
2014-05-29 10:07:53 PM

DicksWii: Jeng: 1200mg of seroquel a night

That's a lot! I tried that stuff out and the only difference it made in my life was that i wanted to eat a cake. I mixed up some batter from a box recipe and my wife walked in and asked why i had eaten half of the batter. I didn't even notice that i had been eating it raw.


Seroquel was great for knocking me out, but I hated that "wake up dry-mouthed with a vague hangover" feeling it gave me. Didn't matter in the end, once I was out of samples the price (even with my insurance) was way too high for my budget.

/Anxiety blows.
 
2014-05-29 10:11:37 PM
The "always off" brain pattern certainly would explain my fellow jurors.
 
2014-05-29 10:14:24 PM
We're de-evolving into bird-brains....Unihemispheric SW.

/You'll get over it
//NOC nightshift
 
2014-05-29 10:22:45 PM
As someone that's had this his entire life, I know how some of the posters in here feel.

Self-medicating kinda sucks, but you can do it sorta-kinda if you're careful and balance your diet and nutritional intake accordingly. Still a lot less risky than the 'medically approved guesses that make GlaxoSmithKline and UHC another billion this fiscal year' that they're up to now.

The other option is, essentially, to get at BEST 3 or 4 hours of non-REM sleep a night. Usually less.

You don't last long like that.
 
2014-05-29 10:25:58 PM
Benadryl is my friend.
NyQuil is regretful.
Ludes are lovely.
Klonopin makes me

Sorry, what was I saying?
 
2014-05-29 10:34:31 PM
I have regular old fashioned insomnia that never fully goes away but exercise and or booze help most of the time. Maybe one or two months a year I have an upswing in insomnia and can go weeks with only a couple of hours total worth of naps and snoozes over each day.

I have had this happen to me quite a few times too and it sucks, I can't imagine having to deal with it regularly though.  That would worse than the worst bout of insomnia ever even after accounting for the goddamned shadow people.
 
2014-05-29 10:37:18 PM
This is a thing that isn't just me? On occasion I will spend a night feeling as if I lay there awake the whole time. It's like I'm aware I'm sleeping. If this is what they mean by pseudoinsomnia, it is very bizarre, and I am glad it is a rare occurrence.
 
2014-05-29 10:43:10 PM
That's pretty odd. Here I thought "always-on" meant you were generally too restless to sleep in the first place.

/then again, I'm pretty sure that's a common-enough problem that it doesn't warrant an article
 
2014-05-29 10:47:26 PM

GloomCookie613: DicksWii: Jeng: 1200mg of seroquel a night

That's a lot! I tried that stuff out and the only difference it made in my life was that i wanted to eat a cake. I mixed up some batter from a box recipe and my wife walked in and asked why i had eaten half of the batter. I didn't even notice that i had been eating it raw.

Seroquel was great for knocking me out, but I hated that "wake up dry-mouthed with a vague hangover" feeling it gave me. Didn't matter in the end, once I was out of samples the price (even with my insurance) was way too high for my budget.

/Anxiety blows.


The manufacturer offers a coupon on their website for $25/month. CVS and Walgreens will hook you up with it if you don't have it. I only take 300 mg, but my prescription is $25 with the coupon. You might want to look into it.
 
2014-05-29 10:52:40 PM

GloomCookie613: Didn't matter in the end, once I was out of samples the price (even with my insurance) was way too high for my budget.


There is now a generic version, costs like $5 a month.
 
2014-05-29 10:55:14 PM

Jeng: Sometimes I dream that I'm searching for a place to sleep, all night long, under cars, on benches, wherever it looks like I can lay down in the dream I will try, but for whatever reason I can't find a place to sleep.

I also sometimes wake up in the middle of the night with a severe anxiety that I won't be able to get back to sleep.   I already take 1200mg of seroquel a night, which should knock out an elephant, but I sometimes have to supplement that with xanax and sonata.



That crap turns people into zombies. The chewy kind, not the sleepy kind. Seriously, the Seroquel shuffle paired with the constant feeding... how have you not eaten anyone yet?
 
2014-05-29 11:01:25 PM

ReverendJynxed: Jeng: Sometimes I dream that I'm searching for a place to sleep, all night long, under cars, on benches, wherever it looks like I can lay down in the dream I will try, but for whatever reason I can't find a place to sleep.

I also sometimes wake up in the middle of the night with a severe anxiety that I won't be able to get back to sleep.   I already take 1200mg of seroquel a night, which should knock out an elephant, but I sometimes have to supplement that with xanax and sonata.


That crap turns people into zombies. The chewy kind, not the sleepy kind. Seriously, the Seroquel shuffle paired with the constant feeding... how have you not eaten anyone yet?


Are you really gonna believe him when he says he hasn't?

*welcometotheinternet
 
2014-05-29 11:13:51 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: This happens to me on a regular basis.  I lie awake all night, tossing and turning, going over everything I need to do the next day, debating just giving up on it and getting up, then convincing myself to  try to get some sleep or at least relax... and then the alarm goes off and it turns out I've been asleep (but not resting) the whole time.

It's very disconcerting.  Every time.


Happened to me last night.  Just asked the wife if she remember me telling her I was having trouble sleeping last night and she looked at me like I was nuts.  She doesn't remember me talking to her at all.

I was very anxious yesterday.
 
2014-05-29 11:25:44 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: This happens to me on a regular basis.  I lie awake all night, tossing and turning, going over everything I need to do the next day, debating just giving up on it and getting up, then convincing myself to  try to get some sleep or at least relax... and then the alarm goes off and it turns out I've been asleep (but not resting) the whole time.

It's very disconcerting.  Every time.


Welcome to my life since Thanksgiving 2006. If my brain isn't medicated by Ambien or Lunesta, I don't sleep more than an hour or two per night. And those two hours are spent dreaming that I cant sleep.

xaks: The other option is, essentially, to get at BEST 3 or 4 hours of non-REM sleep a night. Usually less.

You don't last long like that.


Before I was able to get some Ambien back in 2006, I went 6 weeks like that, and I was, I'm pretty sure, insane for the last month. Sleep deprivation is torture. Literally. My GP said I had to go to a sleep specialist to get the prescription. I went and it was depressing how little the specialist knew or could do. The gibberish you can find on insomnia on the internet is pooh. Going to bed at the same time. Quiet nights. Warm baths. Nonsense. Your brain forgets how to sleep and that's that.
 
2014-05-29 11:44:10 PM
I have PTSD. This is pretty much how I sleep whenever I am not having nightmares, ugh.
 
2014-05-30 12:13:02 AM
Yes, once in awhile.  Not as much as when I was younger.  Usually happens when I spent all day thinking about something.

Odd thing is, after that happens I get up a lot more rested than I would have thought based on how little I slept, so I came to the conclusion is was kind of like a half-sleep state that I was quasi-conscious for.  Now I find out there is something called sleep insomnia.
 
2014-05-30 01:08:05 AM

ReverendJynxed: Sorry, what was I saying?


www.quickmeme.com
 
2014-05-30 02:09:11 AM

timujin: I sleep... but I dream.  I start dreaming immediately and, as far as I can tell, I don't ever sleep without dreaming.  I hit snooze and sleep for ten minutes and during that time I dream of things that seems to last hours or days.  Every night of my life is like weeks, months or even years lived of a thousand different lives.  It's exhausting.




Get a sleep study done. I thought that was normal for years, didn't even think anything about it. Narcolepsy is kind of easy to miss. Vivid dreams, dreaming more often when you sleep, hypnagogic/hypnopompic hallucinations, sleep paralysis, daytime sleepiness, and muscle weakness from emotional triggers are the symptoms but plenty of people don't have half of those.

If you have something else going on that's causing serious sleep deprivation, you can also develop most of those symptoms from it (cataplexy is the only exception, I think).
 
2014-05-30 02:12:18 AM
I just have normal insomnia, not pseudo-insomnia.
/ I thought it'd make me a natural for working 3rd shift jobs
// that actually just makes it worse
 
2014-05-30 02:24:26 AM
When I was young I had bouts of this no-sleep sleep. I was usually concurrently depressed.

Trazodone, salvation in a pill.

It seems to have reprogrammed my sleep function, so I don't have to take it anymore. The side effects for me were dry mouth and puberty-like random wood. The withdrawal was a day of severe mood swings, but if you know it's coming you can ride it out
 
2014-05-30 02:49:55 AM
When I try to go to bed is when my brain kicks into high gear.  Unfortunately, it's usually not the type of high gear that solves a tough problem at work or figures out how to end world hunger.  No such luck.  It's the high gear that goes, "Hey!  Remember that time in high school when you made a complete fool of yourself in front of that girl you had a crush on?  Let's replay every agonizing moment in slow motion!"

/insomnia sucks
 
2014-05-30 03:37:57 AM
I'm reading this thread with 20mg of ambien,2mg of xanax,25mg of trazode,a handful of benedryl, and some shiat from India you can't get in the US in my system right now. No sleep on the horizon. I feel like it's noon. shiat sucks. Trying scotch next.
 
2014-05-30 04:13:15 AM

BigLuca: I'm reading this thread with 20mg of ambien,2mg of xanax,25mg of trazode,a handful of benedryl, and some shiat from India you can't get in the US in my system right now. No sleep on the horizon. I feel like it's noon. shiat sucks. Trying scotch next.




Here you tried melatonin? Melatonin with a sleep mask and earplugs help when I feel stuck awake. I tried everything except it for forever. Melatonin with Unisom is usually enough for me.
 
2014-05-30 06:15:38 AM

Bedstead Polisher: Definitely has a night of dreaming about my "to do" list last night. Was really annoying.


I've been so stressed, I have maybe slept 8 hours in the past 3 days combined.

I'm pretty close to starting a fight club.

And no matter how many times I tell myself "it's 3 am, 4am, 6am...whatever... you can't do anything until businesses open and you can make phone calls" my brain will not accept it.  I'm exhausted.

Ambien doesn't work on me.
Last night I tried a couple of glasses of wine and a Xanax and slept 2 hours straight, which was an achievement.  Sigh.  Melatonin, my insomnia laughs at that.  I've been this way as long as I can remember, too.  Nobody has any answers for me and with a broken wrist, I can't exactly exhaust myself with exercise lest I hurt myself worse and add to the stress.
 
2014-05-30 06:22:08 AM

Czechzican: I have PTSD. This is pretty much how I sleep whenever I am not having nightmares, ugh.


Same here.  S. is used to me waking up crying or yelling, I had to warm M. that it could happen when I sleep at his house.  I wish I could just hand that fun side effect over to the asshole who raped me, let him wake up crying. Or keep his partner up tossing, turning and unable to sleep.
 
2014-05-30 07:33:51 AM

DicksWii: I went in for a sleep study once and found out where all my unexplained bruises come from. When i start to go into REM sleep, when my body is supposed to be paralyzed, i punch and kick myself out of it. I never go into REM or past it. My doc gave me some pills for restless leg syndrome, after all these years of making fun of it and not knowing what it was. Then i had my first dream. I couldn't handle it. My doc was confused and sent me to a psych, and he seemed to believe that since i had never dreamed before, my brain wasn't ready for the non-realistic portions and it interpreted it all as REAL. Since most people have had dreams their whole lives, whether or not they remember them in the morning, they are used to them. Since i had never had them, my brain didn't know what to do.

I went back to my restless sleep.


Wasn't that a Phillip K. Dick story?
 
2014-05-30 09:25:40 AM

OgreMagi: When I try to go to bed is when my brain kicks into high gear.  Unfortunately, it's usually not the type of high gear that solves a tough problem at work or figures out how to end world hunger.  No such luck.  It's the high gear that goes, "Hey!  Remember that time in high school when you made a complete fool of yourself in front of that girl you had a crush on?  Let's replay every agonizing moment in slow motion!"

/insomnia sucks


Oh yeah, I've got that gear.  What a great farking gear.

Do you also have that wonderful option where you spend Sunday-Thursday waiting for the weekend so that you can sleep in, and then Friday-Saturday waking up at 3 am instead of 5, because you somehow feel you shouldn't be wasting your time sleeping?  That's a great farking deal too.
 
2014-05-30 10:13:16 AM
Just to throw in. Benadryl, traz, tylenol, valerian, htp5, melatonin, meditation, 3 hrs exercise thrice a week. No caffeine, no booze. Sometimes, I sleep 2 or three hrs at a time once or twice a week. Anxiety, panic and terror attacks the rest of the time...
 
2014-05-30 11:59:55 AM

tjassen: Wasn't that a Phillip K. Dick story?


If it is, i don't know if i wanna read it. But just in case, what was the title of it?
 
2014-05-30 12:13:19 PM
Can't switch off?
2.bp.blogspot.com
Knows that feeling.
 
2014-05-30 12:20:21 PM
This doesn't seem to happen to me anymore. When I go to sleep, the moment I lay down I go blank, remember nothing until I get up again. The last thought I have when I sleep is the first thought I have when I wake up.

Don't know what that means.
 
2014-05-30 12:27:40 PM

DicksWii: tjassen: Wasn't that a Phillip K. Dick story?

If it is, i don't know if i wanna read it. But just in case, what was the title of it?


Uh.... I was joking...? But it could be.
If not I might have to steal it and write it myself.
Cut you in for 10%?
 
2014-05-30 12:43:15 PM
Wow, this thread makes me feel really good about how well I sleep. Also explains a lot about fark.
 
2014-05-30 01:27:44 PM
Yes, I've got that.
And also sleep paralysis, hypnic jerks, somnambulism, screaming, and exploding head syndrome.
But at least I don't have apnea, which is a good thing, because that's the sleep disorder that has a strong link to bad health.
 
2014-05-30 02:16:00 PM

serpent_sky: Bedstead Polisher: Definitely has a night of dreaming about my "to do" list last night. Was really annoying.

I've been so stressed, I have maybe slept 8 hours in the past 3 days combined.

I'm pretty close to starting a fight club.

And no matter how many times I tell myself "it's 3 am, 4am, 6am...whatever... you can't do anything until businesses open and you can make phone calls" my brain will not accept it.  I'm exhausted.

Ambien doesn't work on me.
Last night I tried a couple of glasses of wine and a Xanax and slept 2 hours straight, which was an achievement.  Sigh.  Melatonin, my insomnia laughs at that.  I've been this way as long as I can remember, too.  Nobody has any answers for me and with a broken wrist, I can't exactly exhaust myself with exercise lest I hurt myself worse and add to the stress.


I highly suggest you try:

Adrenasense, especially good to take the edge off:  http://astronutrition.com/natural-factors-adrenasense-120-vcaps.html? _ __landing=canada

Ativan - be careful with this, it can be seriously addicting, but it does kill the stress cycle
 
2014-05-30 03:27:33 PM

Kurohone: OgreMagi: When I try to go to bed is when my brain kicks into high gear.  Unfortunately, it's usually not the type of high gear that solves a tough problem at work or figures out how to end world hunger.  No such luck.  It's the high gear that goes, "Hey!  Remember that time in high school when you made a complete fool of yourself in front of that girl you had a crush on?  Let's replay every agonizing moment in slow motion!"

/insomnia sucks

Oh yeah, I've got that gear.  What a great farking gear.

Do you also have that wonderful option where you spend Sunday-Thursday waiting for the weekend so that you can sleep in, and then Friday-Saturday waking up at 3 am instead of 5, because you somehow feel you shouldn't be wasting your time sleeping?  That's a great farking deal too.


I have a variation of that.  I had to be at work a few minutes earlier than normal (just 15 minutes, no big deal).  So of course I woke before necessary because my brain wanted to remind me that I needed to wake up in about two hours so I can make it to that meeting.

Fark you brain.
 
2014-05-30 04:44:57 PM
Valerian makes my skin crawl. Ambien makes me watch Korean television for five hours.
I don't understand Korean.
 
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