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(The Week UK)   Smoking e-cigarettes is good for you. We tested it. Once. On a monkey. He was called Biggles. He died. But not because of the e-cigarettes. Actually it was from syphilis. NO MORE QUESTIONS   (theweek.co.uk) divider line 133
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2014-05-29 12:27:15 PM
I completely trust the e-cigarette tests sponsored by electronic cigarette manufacturers.

What could possibly go wrong?
 
2014-05-29 12:41:02 PM
e-cigs can give you syphilis?  I think they might be using it wrong...
 
2014-05-29 12:52:37 PM
It's not "smoke" so yeah, they're definitely doing it wrong.

It's vaporized water, glycol, nicotine and flavorings. Sounds a heck of a lot less dangerous than burning shiat that's in cigarettes and inhaling the smoke from them.
 
2014-05-29 01:08:05 PM

Lando Lincoln: It's not "smoke" so yeah, they're definitely doing it wrong.

It's vaporized water, glycol, nicotine and flavorings. Sounds a heck of a lot less dangerous than burning shiat that's in cigarettes and inhaling the smoke from them.


Not as bad for you as cigarettes really isn't a very high bar, I'm not sure it reaches the level of "good for  you" or even "not bad for you"
 
2014-05-29 01:15:42 PM
Some common sense regulation isn't a bad thing.  No sales to minors (pretty much all of the shops already restrict sales to 18+), allow the FDA to do random spot tests to make sure the liquid contains only what it says it does, and restrict advertising the same way other nicotine products are restricted.  None of that is unreasonable.
 
2014-05-29 01:38:16 PM
I really wanted to like e-cigarettes, but they're just not the same.

My other half and I dropped about $80 bucks on a Blu deluxe recharging pack with two usable smokes in it, plus two packs of the tips that have the good stuff in them.

It's weird, because they taste mostly the same, feel the same, but in some way they're just not the same.  After 2 days of feeling good about ourselves, the pack went into a drawer and we were back to good ole Marlboro's, and haven't looked back since.
 
2014-05-29 01:40:07 PM

EvilEgg: Not as bad for you as cigarettes really isn't a very high bar, I'm not sure it reaches the level of "good for  you" or even "not bad for you"


That's the whole thing, though. E-cigs just need to be better for you than regular cigarettes. Are there e-cigarette companies pushing e-cigs as some kind of health benefit in and of themselves? No.

Anyway...this topic was done to death a week or two ago on here. I'll not further comment in it. At least this week.
 
2014-05-29 01:41:25 PM

criscodisco: I really wanted to like e-cigarettes, but they're just not the same.

My other half and I dropped about $80 bucks on a Blu deluxe recharging pack with two usable smokes in it, plus two packs of the tips that have the good stuff in them.

It's weird, because they taste mostly the same, feel the same, but in some way they're just not the same.  After 2 days of feeling good about ourselves, the pack went into a drawer and we were back to good ole Marlboro's, and haven't looked back since.


My grandma died from lung / throat cancer. Please. For your own sake. Please keep trying.
 
2014-05-29 02:07:18 PM

Lando Lincoln: It's not "smoke" so yeah, they're definitely doing it wrong.

It's vaporized water, glycol, nicotine and flavorings. Sounds a heck of a lot less dangerous than burning shiat that's in cigarettes and inhaling the smoke from them.


Mmmmm. Continue to sell yourself that line. I'm fine being both smoke and vap free.

/Why don't you all just keep it to yourselves?
//Wear a self-contained vapor apparatus like a plastic bag while vapping.
 
2014-05-29 02:18:10 PM

Lando Lincoln: That's the whole thing, though. E-cigs just need to be better for you than regular cigarettes. Are there e-cigarette companies pushing e-cigs as some kind of health benefit in and of themselves? No.

Anyway...this topic was done to death a week or two ago on here. I'll not further comment in it. At least this week.


I'm going to go back to my original position on e-cigarettes due to the lack of serious studies by reliable sources.

Some weeks back, I got beat up arguing that people should vap outside of enclosed rooms, like cigarette smokers do in some states. One study found no harm from e-cigarettes, and that study was used to counter my complaints of e-cigarette users vappoing around me indoors.

I don't care what that one study says. It's one study.

If you're hooked that bad on nicotine, quit. Try a 12-step program. Nicotine is harmful to your body, period.

Don't expose me to your addiction by any means, especially one you're convinced is AOK for everyone else to be around. You are not the only person in the room.

/Just go vap outside with the other nicotine addicts.
 
2014-05-29 02:20:09 PM
First headline this week that actually made me snort in amusement.
 
2014-05-29 02:56:28 PM
You know, I was wondering just where the hell was Biggles when I needed him last Saturday...
 
2014-05-29 03:09:19 PM
You know, I told Biggles so many times to wrap it up if you're going to sleep with those bonobos hos.

Biggles didn't listen. Biggles didn't care.
 
2014-05-29 03:11:37 PM
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"si, señor biggles!"
 
2014-05-29 03:32:53 PM
nicotine is addictive and poisonous. deal with it.
 
2014-05-29 03:34:47 PM
img.fark.net

Not amused.
 
2014-05-29 03:36:07 PM
After smoking for years and trying to quit multiple times, I tried an E-Cig.  Stepped down from the strongest nic load to zero in three months and then quit.  Haven't touched one since.  2 years and counting.

These things work.
 
2014-05-29 03:36:50 PM

Nogrhi: e-cigs can give you syphilis?  I think they might be using it wrong...


Yeah I'm kind of regretting ordering all that syphilis oil for mine.
 
2014-05-29 03:37:18 PM

criscodisco: I really wanted to like e-cigarettes, but they're just not the same.

My other half and I dropped about $80 bucks on a Blu deluxe recharging pack with two usable smokes in it, plus two packs of the tips that have the good stuff in them.

It's weird, because they taste mostly the same, feel the same, but in some way they're just not the same.  After 2 days of feeling good about ourselves, the pack went into a drawer and we were back to good ole Marlboro's, and haven't looked back since.


Get the ones that allow you to re-fill the e-cig with whichever flavor you prefer. Some of the better "juice" makers are Ms. T's Bakery, Backwood Brews, Volcano, Five Pawns, and Alien something or other. You can even specify the nicotine strength from 24mg down to 0mg.

My father died from lung cancer, and I switched to this. Sure, maybe it's still harmful, but it's a damn sight better than what's in regular cigarettes.

Watching a loved one go from 200lbs and vibrant to an unconscious 65lb "skeletor" on his deathbed in as little as 6 months was sad, terrifying, and sobering all at once.
 
2014-05-29 03:37:42 PM
Oh FFS, can't we at least let this kill cigarettes and THEN demonize it?  It's a significant reduction in toxins and the elimination of the fire hazard.

Let e-cigs run rampant, and outlaw traditional cigarettes.  To shut up the tobacco manufacturers, legalize marijuana cigarettes and let them switch their infrastructure.  It would only take a few years.

/ex smoker.
//I also miss pot.
 
2014-05-29 03:38:43 PM
Is there a good, cheap vape that you can use marijuana on?
 
2014-05-29 03:39:18 PM

AirForceVet: I'm going to go back to my original position on e-cigarettes due to the lack of serious studies by reliable sources.



i.imgur.com

 
2014-05-29 03:40:32 PM

mike_d85: Oh FFS, can't we at least let this kill cigarettes and THEN demonize it?  It's a significant reduction in toxins and the elimination of the fire hazard.

Let e-cigs run rampant, and outlaw traditional cigarettes.  To shut up the tobacco manufacturers, legalize marijuana cigarettes and let them switch their infrastructure.  It would only take a few years.

/ex smoker.
//I also miss pot.


OK, that's not terribly bad. You'll never really outlaw cigarettes, but you can tax and regulate them into the very fringiest fringes. If you simply don't do the same to the ecig things, they'll take over in short order.
 
2014-05-29 03:40:46 PM

AngryDragon: After smoking for years and trying to quit multiple times, I tried an E-Cig.  Stepped down from the strongest nic load to zero in three months and then quit.  Haven't touched one since.  2 years and counting.

These things work.


Awesome for you. I have heard of many other people using it as a way to gradually remove the harmful chemicals in regular cigs. Some of those people have quit completely and some are down to 0 nicotine and other harmful chemicals but still enjoy the physical act. I think it is great for all those that try.
 
2014-05-29 03:41:21 PM

AeAe: Is there a good, cheap vape that you can use marijuana on?


Go visit CO.
 
2014-05-29 03:41:30 PM

criscodisco: I really wanted to like e-cigarettes, but they're just not the same.

My other half and I dropped about $80 bucks on a Blu deluxe recharging pack with two usable smokes in it, plus two packs of the tips that have the good stuff in them.

It's weird, because they taste mostly the same, feel the same, but in some way they're just not the same.  After 2 days of feeling good about ourselves, the pack went into a drawer and we were back to good ole Marlboro's, and haven't looked back since.


I switched to an el-cheapo brand found at a kiosk at the local mall.  For some reason cutting back on the e-cig was way easier than Camels.

My dad, however just went ape sh*t with the e-cigs.  He switched his cigarette habit for a cigar habit a few years back and since he was diagnosed with lung cancer he switched to e-cigs.  He's a little obessed as he has 3 flavors in rotation at all times and 2 battery units that he switches between.

/He just has to chain smoke SOMETHING.
 
2014-05-29 03:42:09 PM
Biggles just couldn't help himself. Who could resist this?:

afeatheradrift.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-05-29 03:43:28 PM
Are nicotine patches or gum regulated?
 
2014-05-29 03:43:34 PM

TrollingForColumbine: nicotine is addictive and poisonous. deal with it.


and here is a list of foods that contain it  http://www.livestrong.com/article/293186-list-of-foods-that-contain-n i cotine/
 
2014-05-29 03:44:07 PM

TrollingForColumbine: nicotine is addictive and poisonous. deal with it.


I believe it can be used as an insecticide (not sure about herbicide), but in smaller doses, it's believed to act as a stimulant in humans, with minimal toxicity. Obviously it IS addictive, but in the same vein as caffeine, not like heroin or opium.

I'm going to have to look up where I read that.
 
2014-05-29 03:44:16 PM
E-cigarettes are more dangerous to eat.
 
2014-05-29 03:44:31 PM
I'm sure that e-cigs are safer thank tobacco, and that those using them to ween themselves off cigarettes are benefiting.

That said, I know two people who never smoked, but started using e-cigs because they found them interesting and novel.
 
2014-05-29 03:44:48 PM
Can't be worse than sucking on a tailpipe wrapped around a smokestack made from a barrel of benzene.
 
2014-05-29 03:45:12 PM
I dunno, but my roomie actually quit smoking using them, and doesn't even smoke the e-cigs anymore. Same for a couple other people I know. Me? I quit cigs for 11 1/2 years (started back up since it calmed my nerves after stepping down from severe alcoholism), and simply quit by drinking tons of OJ, staying busy for a couple of days and avoiding caffeine and alcohol. Not really that difficult. Quitting around the 5th, this time for good (or at least a long ass time), using that same method. Beats spending all that goddamn money on an e-cig starter kit when I can do it on my own for a fraction of the price.
 
2014-05-29 03:45:22 PM
All I know is that I haven't smoked a real cigarette since January thanks to my e-cig. At this point I barely even use the e-cig. A couple drags a night if I'm drinking. And that's after almost 20 years of smoking/trying to quit.
 
2014-05-29 03:45:45 PM

dr_blasto: AeAe: Is there a good, cheap vape that you can use marijuana on?

Go visit CO.


Yup, come on out. $10-$15 gets you a simple unit that burns hash oil. Damn effective, too.  >.<
 
2014-05-29 03:46:48 PM
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RIP
 
2014-05-29 03:48:06 PM

AeAe: Is there a good, cheap vape that you can use marijuana on?


You can't use it with most e-cigs. You need to get a vape with a ceramic rod that specifically states that you can use *plant matter* with it. For hash oil, you really need one of the vapes with a ceramic plate.

To use an e-cig, like with a Kanger style tank, or the ones with wicks, you have to make a "tincture", since the e-cig juices tend to be very thin. Or so some old hippies told me.

Hash Oil is a friggin joke, anyway. Just get one of the better vapes that one guy on Gizmodo pimps.
 
2014-05-29 03:48:25 PM

lostcat: I'm sure that e-cigs are safer thank tobacco, and that those using them to ween themselves off cigarettes are benefiting.

That said, I know two people who never smoked, but started using e-cigs because they found them interesting and novel.


Well, they do make nicotine-free liquid, so I don't really see the problem.  But, yeah.  If you're taking up nicotine because it's interesting or novel, you might need to really reassess what you're doing for excitement in your life.
 
2014-05-29 03:48:52 PM

dr_blasto: AeAe: Is there a good, cheap vape that you can use marijuana on?

Go visit CO.


I'd love to but too far.  I'd rather buy something from Amazon.  And not a Volcano.
 
2014-05-29 03:50:18 PM

AngryDragon: After smoking for years and trying to quit multiple times, I tried an E-Cig.  Stepped down from the strongest nic load to zero in three months and then quit.  Haven't touched one since.  2 years and counting.

These things work.


How's the syphilis?
 
2014-05-29 03:52:01 PM

AeAe: dr_blasto: AeAe: Is there a good, cheap vape that you can use marijuana on?

Go visit CO.

I'd love to but too far.  I'd rather buy something from Amazon.  And not a Volcano.


I'll just leave this here.

That would be your go to guy for hardware reviews.
 
2014-05-29 03:52:15 PM
A bunch of you anti-vapes will make fine republicans
 
2014-05-29 03:54:13 PM

AirForceVet: I'm fine being both smoke and vap free.


How nice for you.
 
2014-05-29 03:57:10 PM
I bought a vaping system about four months ago and it's definitely cut down on my desire for real tobacco. Granted I haven't given up cigarettes entirely (bum them off my boss from time to time), but I haven't bought a pack since I started vaping.  So I'm encouraged.
 
2014-05-29 03:57:44 PM
I get e-cigs as cessation devices for smokers, those should be regulated in the same fashion as the patch / gum. Ideally behind the counter and with their contents monitored/regulated by the FDA.

What I don't get is the legality of selling something that is 1) addictive and 2) not regulated for purity/contents. It makes no sense to let these companies sell a product that is designed to get you addicted.

In my mind there should be two types of cartridges/oils/inserts available...those with nicotine that are sold exclusively as cessation devises and are regulated by the FDA. And then those without nicotine which should still have their contents monitored by the FDA.

I quit smoking almost 3 years ago now after being a pack a day smoker...anyone looking for tips can feel free to hit me up. I used the CVS version of the patch...and it was my third serious attempt.
 
2014-05-29 03:57:51 PM

AirForceVet: Lando Lincoln: That's the whole thing, though. E-cigs just need to be better for you than regular cigarettes. Are there e-cigarette companies pushing e-cigs as some kind of health benefit in and of themselves? No.

Anyway...this topic was done to death a week or two ago on here. I'll not further comment in it. At least this week.

I'm going to go back to my original position on e-cigarettes due to the lack of serious studies by reliable sources.

Some weeks back, I got beat up arguing that people should vap outside of enclosed rooms, like cigarette smokers do in some states. One study found no harm from e-cigarettes, and that study was used to counter my complaints of e-cigarette users vappoing around me indoors.

I don't care what that one study says. It's one study.

If you're hooked that bad on nicotine, quit. Try a 12-step program. Nicotine is harmful to your body, period.

Don't expose me to your addiction by any means, especially one you're convinced is AOK for everyone else to be around. You are not the only person in the room.

/Just go vap outside with the other nicotine addicts.


E cigs are actually very useful in helping people quit. That is kind of the point of them. You slowly wean yourself off of nicotine by reducing the amount of it in the e cig over time.
 
2014-05-29 03:58:41 PM
Didn't take the usual puritan crowd that long to come in here to voice their disdain over first world problems!


"The WHO says that their safety is "illusive", noting that it is impossible to know what effect they may have on the body because "the chemicals used in electronic cigarettes have not been fully disclosed, and there are no adequate data on their emissions"."

This is kind of a problem, I feel. Disposable e-cigs are the main culprit (though most of them use a lot of Vegetable Glycerin - same stuff you use in baking confections - to produce a vapor thick enough to give that smoke feeling), but even ones that sell juices straight don't disclose what all's in their flavorings.

Long term effects are probably going to be related to the nicotine intake. I'd like to see if they ever nailed down what the LD50 of Nicotine actually turned out to be. It's hard trying to derive facts from something that's most likely been skewed heavily in one direction or another due to its strong tie-in with cigarettes.
 
2014-05-29 03:59:35 PM

criscodisco: I really wanted to like e-cigarettes, but they're just not the same.

My other half and I dropped about $80 bucks on a Blu deluxe recharging pack with two usable smokes in it, plus two packs of the tips that have the good stuff in them.

It's weird, because they taste mostly the same, feel the same, but in some way they're just not the same.  After 2 days of feeling good about ourselves, the pack went into a drawer and we were back to good ole Marlboro's, and haven't looked back since.


You went with Blu, and that's your problem...

Look at these instead:
http://altsmoke.com/itaste-v3-express-kit.html

Everyone i've ever know who tried to go from smoking to Blu went back to smoking because, frankly, the Blu sux ass... They do it because you can find them in most of your regular smoke shops because the Blu is owned by the Newport cig people, who bought it and turned it to a shiat product hoping for consumers just like you to go back to buying tobacco...
 
2014-05-29 04:00:19 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Nogrhi: e-cigs can give you syphilis?  I think they might be using it wrong...

Yeah I'm kind of regretting ordering all that syphilis oil for mine.


Wait, you can order that?  I've just been squeezing out hobos.
 
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