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(9 to 5 Mac)   Apple announces it will finally launch Jobs' last passion by the end of this year: The destruction of Comcast and a 1,000 year reign of Net Neutrality   (9to5mac.com) divider line 138
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2014-05-29 08:16:40 PM
I have an AppleTV, and the only extra thing it lets me do is play my Apple purchases on my TV.  Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, and HBOGo are all built into the TV.  If I didn't have a "smart" TV then the AppleTV would be great, but as far as I can tell all it adds is their distribution channel to online services.  And it didn't support Amazon Prime the last time I had it on.

So "meh" to this story.
 
2014-05-29 09:06:27 PM

Lsherm: I have an AppleTV, and the only extra thing it lets me do is play my Apple purchases on my TV.  Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, and HBOGo are all built into the TV.  If I didn't have a "smart" TV then the AppleTV would be great, but as far as I can tell all it adds is their distribution channel to online services.  And it didn't support Amazon Prime the last time I had it on.

So "meh" to this story.


The "you'll eat when we say you eat shiat when we say you shiat" company's TV product is a walled garden?

STOP THE PRESSES
 
2014-05-29 09:07:42 PM
Apple is doomed just like the last time Jobs was outed
 
2014-05-29 09:08:10 PM
my $35 chormecast lets me stream anything I can on my computer - to my TV no need for another device
 
2014-05-29 09:08:51 PM
One-way media (TV, radio, newspapers and magazines) is a dying business model.  Who bothers to sit and be spoon-fed information and entertainment when they can both receive and produce it over the Internet?
 
2014-05-29 09:08:53 PM
Yes

/Yes

//and farking Yes
 
2014-05-29 09:09:17 PM
I just have a normal TV, but I put an apple on it for lulz.
 
2014-05-29 09:10:42 PM

vodka: Apple is doomed just like the last time Jobs was outed


Except this time they can't just buy his new company and make him CEO again.
 
2014-05-29 09:13:39 PM

bittermang: vodka: Apple is doomed just like the last time Jobs was outed

Except this time they can't just buy his new company and make him CEO again.


IDK. They have a lot of cash. They might be able to afford to buy hell.
 
2014-05-29 09:14:08 PM

bittermang: vodka: Apple is doomed just like the last time Jobs was outed

Except this time they can't just buy his new company and make him CEO again.


I'm sure Umbrella is always looking for a merger opportunity.
 
2014-05-29 09:14:11 PM

Mouser: One-way media (TV, radio, newspapers and magazines) is a dying business model.  Who bothers to sit and be spoon-fed information and entertainment when they can both receive and produce it over the Internet?


You're the asshat who is the reason that TV shows won't shut the hell up about tweets.  Aren't you?


Not everything has to be interactive and/or social.
 
2014-05-29 09:14:52 PM
20 million devices sold.  I don't know a single person who has one.

//not saying the numbers are wrong, but I hear about Roku and Chromecast a heckuva lot more.
 
2014-05-29 09:16:58 PM
My sons think that TV remotes are such an old fashioned novelty item. Going somewhere new, when wanting to watch something, they look for the mouse or try to find Netflix on the channel guide before I tell them, "This is just a regular TV." But they're starting to catch on that their dad is way cool. However, I'll probably have my same computer hooked up to my same TV for the next decade or two and then they'll realize that I'm just lazy.
 
2014-05-29 09:17:55 PM
A huge roadblock is the complexity of TV rights holding contracts.  Producing television is so expensive that the way various investors who put up the up front production cash make money is by earning a percentage of future returns.  Imagine a pie with 20 or more slices, all of whom are greedy and all have to agree before something can be distributed*  Possibly rights holders include the production company, the various writers, the actors, the national network who owns the IP, the distribution platform...  For sports there's also the stadium, the local network, the school, the ncaa (for college), the league (for professional), the teams...

I don't know if god himself could simplify this process.

*legally
 
2014-05-29 09:18:11 PM
I don't watch much video.  For watching movies, MLB, Youtube, and PBS the Apple TV is just dandy.

We got my parents and mom-in-law Apple TVs too.  Mom-in-law loves that she can stream folk concerts to her television.  Daddy likes the Youtubes.  My mom doesn't use hers much because she's too busy yelling at MSNBC or obsessing over HGTV.
 
2014-05-29 09:18:15 PM

Lsherm: I have an AppleTV, and the only extra thing it lets me do is play my Apple purchases on my TV.  Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, and HBOGo are all built into the TV.  If I didn't have a "smart" TV then the AppleTV would be great, but as far as I can tell all it adds is their distribution channel to online services.  And it didn't support Amazon Prime the last time I had it on.

So "meh" to this story.


The actual Apple TV isn't really the story here... It's that (supposedly) before his death, Jobs came to the conclusion a better Apple TV could never succeed as (at least he believed) Comcast was working to become the gatekeeper of the internet so that it could create a tiered internet and charge both tech companies and consumers exorbitant prices. The story goes on that he felt Step 1 was "Break Comcast". And if their real TV is nearing release, and the story is true, it would lend credence to the attack on NN being in trouble. The fact that Google and Apple are quickly becoming chummy again has been cited by some that perhaps one of the things bringing them together is the pooling of resources to crush Comcast, Verizon, etc.
 
2014-05-29 09:20:02 PM
Cue cited drawbacks such as having to remember to set a recording or trying to manage storage on the recorder

Jesus H Christ do people get spoiled fast.
 
2014-05-29 09:20:14 PM
If AppleTV really wants to position itself as the beacon for cord cutters, it will have to take on the 800 pound gorilla in the live-TV distribution model.

Live sports.

Until the day that sports fans are able to legally stream live HD game broadcasts without a cable/satellite subscription, the cable and satellite providers will continue to be dominant. If live sports ever breaks away from the content distributors, the remaining holdouts (mostly premium cable channels) will fold quickly.
 
2014-05-29 09:20:36 PM
I have an old quad core amd laptop with 8 gigs of ram running windows 7 with plex and then I have an 8 TB nas server connected to my home network.

While I do have smart TVs, some are not so they run Rokus.

My 84 year old step father can navigate the Roku from Netflix, Hulu, HBO2Go, and run through the Plex box to watch whatever he likes, with the little Roku remote.

My 67 year old father in Colombia has my first gen Roku and about five friends in Colombia have Rokus that they I gave as gifts with the plex app installed.

Why do I need Apple TV?

And honestly my whole setup was pretty much plug and play.
 
2014-05-29 09:21:08 PM

bittermang: vodka: Apple is doomed just like the last time Jobs was outed

Except this time they can't just buy his new company and make him CEO again.


A dead Steve Jobs might be better than a live Mike Eisner.
 
2014-05-29 09:23:19 PM
Stupid Apple Person, a simple, user friendly device exists: TiVo. Not "a DVR," TiVo. But that company is a case study in having a great product with poor marketing, poor product differentiation, and wasting having a dominant market position. Come to think of it, just about the opposite of Apple.

/ hope mine never dies....
 
2014-05-29 09:23:43 PM

clkeagle: If AppleTV really wants to position itself as the beacon for cord cutters, it will have to take on the 800 pound gorilla in the live-TV distribution model.

Live sports.

Until the day that sports fans are able to legally stream live HD game broadcasts without a cable/satellite subscription, the cable and satellite providers will continue to be dominant. If live sports ever breaks away from the content distributors, the remaining holdouts (mostly premium cable channels) will fold quickly.


The sports leagues are doing that with their various streaming options.  All they have to do is kill the blackout rules and you'll get that.
 
2014-05-29 09:24:57 PM

SFSailor: Stupid Apple Person, a simple, user friendly device exists: TiVo. Not "a DVR," TiVo. But that company is a case study in having a great product with poor marketing, poor product differentiation, and wasting having a dominant market position. Come to think of it, just about the opposite of Apple.

/ hope mine never dies....


TiVo's death came with cable companies offering DVR.
 
2014-05-29 09:26:44 PM

Mouser: One-way media (TV, radio, newspapers and magazines) is a dying business model.  Who bothers to sit and be spoon-fed information and entertainment when they can both receive and produce it over the Internet?


People that want to get paid? Less than 20 YouTube creators get paid more than what a good silicon valley programmer does.
 
2014-05-29 09:27:56 PM

sprgrss: TiVo's death came with cable companies offering DVR.


Cable DVR's performance and interface tend to suck next to Tivo's.

The Roamio Pro with satellite Mini's are awesome.  If only they would FINALLY release the streaming app for Android.
 
2014-05-29 09:29:26 PM

Mouser: One-way media (TV, radio, newspapers and magazines) is a dying business model.  Who bothers to sit and be spoon-fed information and entertainment when they can both receive and produce it over the Internet?


We're in a golden age of television, actually. The traditional networks are suffering, but cable is chock full of some of the best television ever made: Game of Thrones, The Americans, Fargo, The Walking Dead, Louie, True Detective, Mad Men, House of Cards, Orphan Black, the list goes on and on. The channels and methods you watch may change, but scripted TV has never been healthier.
 
2014-05-29 09:29:31 PM

Mouser: One-way media (TV, radio, newspapers and magazines) is a dying business model.  Who bothers to sit and be spoon-fed information and entertainment when they can both receive and produce it over the Internet?


internet produced entertainment tends to suck.  I'd rather watch a network TV show than watch some shiatty 5 minute webisode.
 
2014-05-29 09:30:55 PM

Kanemano: my $35 chormecast lets me stream anything I can on my computer - to my TV no need for another device


I love my chromecast, but it isn't perfect either. For some reason with mine when I turn on my TV I have to switch off the HDMI input channel the chromecast is plugged in to and then back in order to get any picture (but sound will work fine), which is odd but only mildly irritating. My only major gripe concerns the fact that it is a cloud OS. If my internet goes down and I don't happen to already been inside the Plex app so that it is loaded, I can't stream over my network because Chromecast doesn't have the app stored in memory.

But for $35 bucks it is a hell of a device.
 
2014-05-29 09:31:43 PM
Can't wait to pay 99 cent per episode
 
2014-05-29 09:33:01 PM

SpdrJay: I just have a normal TV, but I put an apple on it for lulz.


I did that with my coffee maker.

/iJoe
 
2014-05-29 09:34:18 PM

mjbok: 20 million devices sold.  I don't know a single person who has one.

//not saying the numbers are wrong, but I hear about Roku and Chromecast a heckuva lot more.


I have one, it's the only Apple product I currently own. When I subscribed to Netflix, the Apple TV was nice because it's totally silent while my Xbox sounds like a chainsaw and wood chipper having angry sex. Now I use it mainly for watching video podcasts and YouTube. It does what it claims to do alright (there are some bugs) but it is somewhat limited. Without third party firmware, it's not very useful for watching content on your home network. Seems like every device has the problem of "it supports these five things but not these other five things" and I doubt whatever Apple is cooking up will change that. Getting the major record labels together for the ipod is going to seem like child's play compared to trying to get the hundreds of video content providers to play ball. And if they miss even one and that's the one that you want to have access to, then they've missed the market.
 
2014-05-29 09:35:12 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: Can't wait to pay 99 cent per episode


Is it me, or is that rather high? I looked into buying GoT and it was something like 4/episode. Who the hell is going to pay 4 bucks/hour for a farking television show?!
 
2014-05-29 09:36:47 PM

sprgrss: SFSailor: Stupid Apple Person, a simple, user friendly device exists: TiVo. Not "a DVR," TiVo. But that company is a case study in having a great product with poor marketing, poor product differentiation, and wasting having a dominant market position. Come to think of it, just about the opposite of Apple.

/ hope mine never dies....

TiVo's death came with cable companies offering DVR.


TIVO got paid a shiat ton of money from lawsuits against cable companies. 1.6 billion...
 
2014-05-29 09:38:18 PM
Did they graft Steve Jobs body onto a sand worm? Are we know on the golden path?

fc01.deviantart.net
 
2014-05-29 09:39:12 PM

SFSailor: Stupid Apple Person, a simple, user friendly device exists: TiVo. Not "a DVR," TiVo. But that company is a case study in having a great product with poor marketing, poor product differentiation, and wasting having a dominant market position. Come to think of it, just about the opposite of Apple.

/ hope mine never dies....


What kneecapped TiVo were the cable companies dragging their heels on implementing Cable Card well. Oddly enough Comcast has actually been the most TiVo friendly cable company for me, with reps that can pair the cable cards quickly and support for OnDemand content.

TiVo made some mistakes, but they really were held back by the digital cable transition being so difficult.
 
2014-05-29 09:39:49 PM

EngineerAU: my Xbox sounds like a chainsaw and wood chipper having angry sex


Good thing I wasn't taking a drink when I read that.
 
2014-05-29 09:41:19 PM

Mad_Radhu: SFSailor: Stupid Apple Person, a simple, user friendly device exists: TiVo. Not "a DVR," TiVo. But that company is a case study in having a great product with poor marketing, poor product differentiation, and wasting having a dominant market position. Come to think of it, just about the opposite of Apple.

/ hope mine never dies....

What kneecapped TiVo were the cable companies dragging their heels on implementing Cable Card well. Oddly enough Comcast has actually been the most TiVo friendly cable company for me, with reps that can pair the cable cards quickly and support for OnDemand content.

TiVo made some mistakes, but they really were held back by the digital cable transition being so difficult.


Huh. I have a friend with Tivo/Comcast and he's always biatching about not being able to get a cable card for it. I'll have to tell him to hit up Comcast again.
 
2014-05-29 09:43:35 PM

ajgeek: drjekel_mrhyde: Can't wait to pay 99 cent per episode

Is it me, or is that rather high? I looked into buying GoT and it was something like 4/episode. Who the hell is going to pay 4 bucks/hour for a farking television show?!


You are buying the episode to keep, not renting it, so it winds up being comparable to the price of buying the Blu-Ray set (although it is more compressed and lacking extra features). It still sucks if you buy it and the episode winds up being sup-par.
 
2014-05-29 09:44:03 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: Can't wait to pay 99 cent per episode


You'd have to watch a hell of a lot of TV before that was a worse deal than cable.
 
2014-05-29 09:45:04 PM

ajgeek: drjekel_mrhyde: Can't wait to pay 99 cent per episode

Is it me, or is that rather high? I looked into buying GoT and it was something like 4/episode. Who the hell is going to pay 4 bucks/hour for a farking television show?!


We're talking about Apple people here.
 
2014-05-29 09:45:22 PM

Mad_Radhu: Mouser: One-way media (TV, radio, newspapers and magazines) is a dying business model.  Who bothers to sit and be spoon-fed information and entertainment when they can both receive and produce it over the Internet?

We're in a golden age of television, actually. The traditional networks are suffering, but cable is chock full of some of the best television ever made: Game of Thrones, The Americans, Fargo, The Walking Dead, Louie, True Detective, Mad Men, House of Cards, Orphan Black, the list goes on and on. The channels and methods you watch may change, but scripted TV has never been healthier.


Only because they can put it out on DVD and make money after the fact.  And because TV networks are afraid to change.  And because old people haven't caught up yet.
The number of eyes on YouTube on sometimes just 1 video blows the ratings for those shows out of the water.
They could take the new episode of Game of Thrones on a website, with advertising, and probably make the same if not more money.
 
2014-05-29 09:48:45 PM

fusillade762: Mad_Radhu: SFSailor: Stupid Apple Person, a simple, user friendly device exists: TiVo. Not "a DVR," TiVo. But that company is a case study in having a great product with poor marketing, poor product differentiation, and wasting having a dominant market position. Come to think of it, just about the opposite of Apple.

/ hope mine never dies....

What kneecapped TiVo were the cable companies dragging their heels on implementing Cable Card well. Oddly enough Comcast has actually been the most TiVo friendly cable company for me, with reps that can pair the cable cards quickly and support for OnDemand content.

TiVo made some mistakes, but they really were held back by the digital cable transition being so difficult.

Huh. I have a friend with Tivo/Comcast and he's always biatching about not being able to get a cable card for it. I'll have to tell him to hit up Comcast again.


Maybe it depends on the area, but I just had to swing by my local office, ask for an M-Card, slide it in, call the number to pair it, and in five minutes I was good to go. It took way longer for the TiVo to do all its first time set up stuff. Hell, with my current package, I get two cards for no extra monthly fee.
 
2014-05-29 09:49:44 PM

digistil: Lsherm: I have an AppleTV, and the only extra thing it lets me do is play my Apple purchases on my TV.  Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, and HBOGo are all built into the TV.  If I didn't have a "smart" TV then the AppleTV would be great, but as far as I can tell all it adds is their distribution channel to online services.  And it didn't support Amazon Prime the last time I had it on.

So "meh" to this story.

The actual Apple TV isn't really the story here... It's that (supposedly) before his death, Jobs came to the conclusion a better Apple TV could never succeed as (at least he believed) Comcast was working to become the gatekeeper of the internet so that it could create a tiered internet and charge both tech companies and consumers exorbitant prices. The story goes on that he felt Step 1 was "Break Comcast". And if their real TV is nearing release, and the story is true, it would lend credence to the attack on NN being in trouble. The fact that Google and Apple are quickly becoming chummy again has been cited by some that perhaps one of the things bringing them together is the pooling of resources to crush Comcast, Verizon, etc.


That's fine, but to do that they need to offer their own "last mile" telecom service.  I'm hoping and praying that's what they've managed to do, but I don't see the legwork.  They clearly haven't run lines to provide it, and to my knowledge they aren't sitting on a bought frequency capable of it.
 
2014-05-29 09:57:31 PM

Kanemano: my $35 chormecast lets me stream anything I can on my computer - to my TV no need for another device


I do love my chromecast but I do admit I only use it to stream stuff from my phone/tablet to my bedroom TV. Did they finally let you stream the audio from the desktop on the TV instead of from the source? That was kind of annoying since my TV speakers are much louder than my laptop speakers and the sounding coming from a different angle threw me off.
 
2014-05-29 10:00:29 PM

sprgrss: clkeagle: If AppleTV really wants to position itself as the beacon for cord cutters, it will have to take on the 800 pound gorilla in the live-TV distribution model.

Live sports.

Until the day that sports fans are able to legally stream live HD game broadcasts without a cable/satellite subscription, the cable and satellite providers will continue to be dominant. If live sports ever breaks away from the content distributors, the remaining holdouts (mostly premium cable channels) will fold quickly.

The sports leagues are doing that with their various streaming options.  All they have to do is kill the blackout rules and you'll get that.


Which they won't do anytime soon because those blackout rules are part of the ridiculous contracts they have with their TV distributors.
 
2014-05-29 10:05:56 PM

entropic_existence: sprgrss: clkeagle: If AppleTV really wants to position itself as the beacon for cord cutters, it will have to take on the 800 pound gorilla in the live-TV distribution model.

Live sports.

Until the day that sports fans are able to legally stream live HD game broadcasts without a cable/satellite subscription, the cable and satellite providers will continue to be dominant. If live sports ever breaks away from the content distributors, the remaining holdouts (mostly premium cable channels) will fold quickly.

The sports leagues are doing that with their various streaming options.  All they have to do is kill the blackout rules and you'll get that.

Which they won't do anytime soon because those blackout rules are part of the ridiculous contracts they have with their TV distributors.


Those TV distributors are losing their upper hands when it comes to negotiations.
 
2014-05-29 10:18:38 PM

TheDirtyNacho: I don't know if god himself could simplify this process.


Production costs are wildly excessive and retrograde. On display at NAB this year were mountains of HD hardware affordable on auto worker wages. It happened to music, it'll happen to video soon enough.
 
2014-05-29 10:22:34 PM

sprgrss: SFSailor: Stupid Apple Person, a simple, user friendly device exists: TiVo. Not "a DVR," TiVo. But that company is a case study in having a great product with poor marketing, poor product differentiation, and wasting having a dominant market position. Come to think of it, just about the opposite of Apple.

/ hope mine never dies....

TiVo's death came with cable companies offering DVR.


I work for a cable company, and we use Tivo.  Because Tivo is awesome.
 
2014-05-29 10:24:03 PM
I cut the cord almost 6 months ago and don't miss it.  I'm saving $70/month.
 
2014-05-29 10:30:52 PM
I have a Roku and AppleTV. AppleTV is by far the better machine. Sure, it doesnt have as much capability as my Roku but its really pretty and costs more.

/I really do have both, hate the AppleTV.
 
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