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(Car Connection)   GM, Toyota and Ford recall cars to replace things like ignition switches, wiring harnesses or floor mats. Nissan gives you "Innovation that Excites" by recalling cars to replace the whole car   (thecarconnection.com) divider line 54
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2014-05-29 11:07:16 AM
I'm assuming since they're checking if the spot welds are there or not that they had a problem with one of the robots during production?  You'd think human error would be improper welds, not entirely missing welds.
 
2014-05-29 11:58:31 AM
For a grand total of 211 cars.

Meanwhile, GM has recalled about 14 million cars. I think I'd stick with Nissan.
 
2014-05-29 12:05:47 PM
Hell, I'd rather the entire vehicle be replaced at no cost to myself rather than the company ignoring the issue and then something very bad happening.  Nissan should be commended for its dedication to its customers.
 
2014-05-29 12:13:09 PM
That's what Toyota was doing with their unintended acceleration issue. I know someone that got a brand new newer model Rav4.
 
2014-05-29 12:37:36 PM

Lsherm: I'm assuming since they're checking if the spot welds are there or not that they had a problem with one of the robots during production?  You'd think human error would be improper welds, not entirely missing welds.


I don't know if any auto manufacturer uses human welders for things like this. Likely was an issue with one of the robots.
 
2014-05-29 12:42:51 PM

Russ1642: That's what Toyota was doing with their unintended acceleration issue. I know someone that got a brand new newer model Rav4.


According to my brother (Toyota mechanic), the actual fix applied to Toyota cars was to start using stronger floor mat retainers.
 
2014-05-29 12:48:55 PM

Cybernetic: For a grand total of 211 cars.

Meanwhile, GM has recalled about 14 million cars. I think I'd stick with Nissan.



A grand total of 211 cars to be inspected.  They will replace less than that.
 
2014-05-29 12:52:19 PM

Lsherm: I'm assuming since they're checking if the spot welds are there or not that they had a problem with one of the robots during production?  You'd think human error would be improper welds, not entirely missing welds.


That depends on whether it's Monday nap time or not.
 
2014-05-29 12:58:57 PM
I remember when Japanese cars were reliable. What changed?
 
2014-05-29 01:13:29 PM

Russ1642: That's what Toyota was doing with their unintended acceleration issue. I know someone that got a brand new newer model Rav4.


I remember the frame recall on the Tacomas from the late 90's and early 00's. They rusted more than normal and we're replaced. There are some greasy looking trucks running with brand new frames around here. The market for the used ones took a huge jump because of it.
 
2014-05-29 01:15:08 PM

i1.ytimg.comYou have to admit, this is pretty exciting.

 
2014-05-29 01:30:33 PM

ampoliros: Russ1642: That's what Toyota was doing with their unintended acceleration issue. I know someone that got a brand new newer model Rav4.

According to my brother (Toyota mechanic), the actual fix applied to Toyota cars was to start using stronger floor mat retainers.


My new corrola has some kind of locking system for the driver floormat that I assumed came from this issue..

Toyota had a recall in the early 2000 for steering related issues, that they only did begrudgingly, after people were killed... It never really got the pub it deserves...
 
2014-05-29 01:40:19 PM
Clearly someone wasn't aware of the diesel engine they put into certain Oldsmobile models in the late 1970s - early 1980s.
 
2014-05-29 01:40:41 PM

ampoliros: Russ1642: That's what Toyota was doing with their unintended acceleration issue. I know someone that got a brand new newer model Rav4.

According to my brother (Toyota mechanic), the actual fix applied to Toyota cars was to start using stronger floor mat retainers.


Nobody wants to admit there was nothing wrong with any of the cars. It was mass hysteria that damn near destroyed a company. Like Oprah's mad cow incident.

GM's little key issue threatened the same thing. The solution was to issue keys with single holes instead of slots. I bet the average key chain of the crashed cars weighed over a pound, much more than the fob and house key they design for.

I think some of these recalls are a psychological campaign to improve owner loyalty and get people used to dealer service shops.
 
2014-05-29 01:41:55 PM
VW did this a few years ago, but it was because of a screw up at the factory that was producing a few cars after a key cut-off date:

Original Recall from the NHTSA
Model Year(s):
Mfr's Report Date:

January 21, 2011
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number:11V031000
NHTSA Action Number:N/A
Component:SEATS
Potential Number of Units Affected:27
Summary:VOLKSWAGEN IS RECALLING CERTAIN MODEL YEAR 2010 NEW BEETLE AND NEW BEETLE CONVERTIBLE MANUFACTURED FROM SEPTEMBER 1, 2010, THROUGH SEPTEMBER 22, 2010, FOR FAILING TO COMPLY WITH THE BARRIER TEST REQUIREMENTS OF FEDERAL MOTOR VEHICLES SAFETY STANDARDS NO. 208, "OCCUPANT CRASH PROTECTION," THAT WENT INTO EFFECT ON SEPTEMBER 1, 2010.
Consequence:THE VEHICLES DO NOT MEET WITH REQUIREMENTS THAT WENT INTO EFFECT ON SEPTEMBER 1, 2010, AND THEREFORE MAY NOT OFFER THE PROTECTION ATTENDANT TO THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
Remedy:DEALERS WILL OFFER TO REPLACE THEIR VEHICLE WITH A COMPARABLE VEHICLE THAT WAS PRODUCED PRIOR TO SEPTEMBER 1, 2010, COMPLIANT WITH FMVSS 208 REQUIREMENTS. THE SAFETY RECALL IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN ON OR BEFORE FEBRUARY 1, 2011. OWNERS MAY CONTACT VOLKSWAGEN AT 1-800-822-8987.
 
2014-05-29 01:43:53 PM
My 43 year old Nissan has seatbelts, and a safety-glass windshield. No side-curtain airbags. No headrests. No anti-lock brakes. No rear-view camera. None of that "Oh I don't want to die" namby-pamby bullshiat. Safety is for pussies...
 
2014-05-29 01:51:33 PM
I have a Nissan and it has never once blown up on me. I used to have a Dodge and it broke down twice. Anecdotal evidence FTW!
 
2014-05-29 01:51:44 PM

LemSkroob: I remember when Japanese cars were reliable. What changed?


To much tentacle rape, not enough Godzilla
 
2014-05-29 01:58:28 PM

Smeggy Smurf: To much tentacle rape, not enough Godzilla


That's an odd way to start a letter.
 
2014-05-29 02:11:13 PM

LemSkroob: I remember when Japanese cars were reliable. What changed?

They started manufacturing Japanese cars in the USA. The 2013+ Nissan LEAF is made in Smyrna, Tennessee. All of the 2011 & 2012 LEAFs were made in Japan.

/Has one of the last 2012's sold.
 
2014-05-29 02:14:16 PM
GM: Nope, nothing wrong here.  Don't know why all these bodies are piling up.
Nissan: OH MY GOD, THERE MAY OR MAY NOT BE SOMETHING WRONG, REPLACE THE WHOLE THING TO ENSURE SAFETY!

Yeah, Nissan sucks.
 
2014-05-29 02:17:30 PM
"sorry we didnt finish building your car"
 
2014-05-29 02:20:45 PM

Big Beef Burrito: Smeggy Smurf: To much tentacle rape, not enough Godzilla

That's an odd way to start a letter.


Dear Penthouse, You'll never believe what happened to me on my way to work...

MrSteve007: LemSkroob: I remember when Japanese cars were reliable. What changed?
They started manufacturing Japanese cars in the USA. The 2013+ Nissan LEAF is made in Smyrna, Tennessee. All of the 2011 & 2012 LEAFs were made in Japan.

/Has one of the last 2012's sold.


I have one of the last CRVs from Japan. In all fairness though, I had a US made Civic that was a beast; I'm convinced there was no way to kill that car. That Civic made me a Honda believer.
 
2014-05-29 02:23:13 PM
ampoliros:

I have one of the last CRVs from Japan. In all fairness though, I had a US made Civic that was a beast; I'm convinced there was no way to kill that car. That Civic made me a Honda believer.

I specialise in killing Civics.
 
2014-05-29 02:36:15 PM

wildcardjack: ampoliros: Russ1642: That's what Toyota was doing with their unintended acceleration issue. I know someone that got a brand new newer model Rav4.

According to my brother (Toyota mechanic), the actual fix applied to Toyota cars was to start using stronger floor mat retainers.

Nobody wants to admit there was nothing wrong with any of the cars. It was mass hysteria that damn near destroyed a company. Like Oprah's mad cow incident.

GM's little key issue threatened the same thing. The solution was to issue keys with single holes instead of slots. I bet the average key chain of the crashed cars weighed over a pound, much more than the fob and house key they design for.

I think some of these recalls are a psychological campaign to improve owner loyalty and get people used to dealer service shops.


You are right about the Toyota issue but wrong about the GM one.  The GM issue is a legitimate problem, IMHO; other cars with different ignition switches don't have the same issue.

The Toyota issue was two, minor, semi-related problems.

1. If you used the wrong type of floor mats (IE, from a different model), they could get stuck under the accelerator.

2. There was a problem with some of the accelerators that, when worn down  over a long period of time, that could cause problems.  Very few (possibly none) of the cars with said accelerators were old enough to have worn down enough for it to be an actual safety issue.  In fact, initially, the company thought the problem was so minor as to not be a safety issue at all, so they first treated it as a lower priority than a safety recall (this bit them in the ass).
 
2014-05-29 02:49:43 PM

wildcardjack: Nobody wants to admit there was nothing wrong with any of the cars. It was mass hysteria that damn near destroyed a company. Like Oprah's mad cow incident.


They did it to Audi in the early 80s... it took years for them to recover from that (in the US, anyway). NBC tried to do it to GM in the 90s with the exploding pickup truck bit... they were busted when it was revealed NBC was deliberately igniting spilled fuel to make it look really cool.

Fact is, the news media loves stories where the cars are trying to kill their owners. Even if it's not the truth they will sometimes create that narrative to work people into a lather and gain viewers.
 
2014-05-29 02:58:04 PM

wildcardjack: Nobody wants to admit there was nothing wrong with any of the cars. It was mass hysteria that damn near destroyed a company. Like Oprah's mad cow incident.


Some of it was hysteria and "wrong pedal" incidents, but there were also real problems in some of the cars and not just the floor mats or sensors.
 
2014-05-29 03:23:24 PM
It's about time 'murica teaches these Japanese uppidy companies how to f*ck up auto design/build.  they were doing fine until they started doing things the 'murican way.

cut corners and milk the sh*t out of your employees so your stockholders can jerk off to the extra dividends they made this year.  focus on this and one quarter ahead, ignoring the 5 or 10 years down the road.  ignoring your lowly car assembly line workers, since they don't know a damn thing. licking company brass ass, since that's where its at, baby.  morons.  hiring company brass who went to the right schools and/or have the right connections, rather than from within the company. after all, why would you want to hire in house?  they might actually give a sh*t about the company after working there 15 or 20 years.

now you know!
 
2014-05-29 03:26:29 PM

Lsherm: I'm assuming since they're checking if the spot welds are there or not that they had a problem with one of the robots during production?  You'd think human error would be improper welds, not entirely missing welds.



they are trying to streamline the process so much that the employee has to produce more and more in less and less time so the stockholders can jerk off to the extra dividends "earned" this year.  it's good business.......in the short haul.  not so good down the road, though.  typical 'murican way.
 
2014-05-29 03:27:35 PM

akula: Lsherm: I'm assuming since they're checking if the spot welds are there or not that they had a problem with one of the robots during production?  You'd think human error would be improper welds, not entirely missing welds.

I don't know if any auto manufacturer uses human welders for things like this. Likely was an issue with one of the robots.



yea, blame the robots.  lol    those bastards cannot be trusted.
 
2014-05-29 03:28:41 PM

Rapmaster2000: [i1.ytimg.com image 850x478]You have to admit, this is pretty exciting.



sad sight.   i'm sure it burned up for some stupid damn reason too.  what a waste of a good car.
 
2014-05-29 03:29:43 PM

Russ1642: That's what Toyota was doing with their unintended acceleration issue. I know someone that got a brand new newer model Rav4.



now THAT is called Customer Service.    it shows how serious Toyota took the issue.
 
2014-05-29 03:34:23 PM

LucklessWonder: ampoliros:

I have one of the last CRVs from Japan. In all fairness though, I had a US made Civic that was a beast; I'm convinced there was no way to kill that car. That Civic made me a Honda believer.

I specialise in killing Civics.



yea Honda is good.  i don't like some things they do to milk more money out of you like timing belts (have to be replaced every 110 k miles --700 bucks to do at dealer) instead of permanent timing chains, and hiding the oil filter so you have to break your balls trying to get to it. they want you to come to the dealer to get an oil change.  an oil change could be done by a moron. that is a user serviceable maintenance item.  but Honda sees it as $$$$$$$$$
 
2014-05-29 03:37:15 PM

ToastTheRabbit: "sorry we didnt finish building your car"



we were in a hurry to get the damn thing out the door so we could feed our starving stockholders/company brass dicks.
 
2014-05-29 03:38:42 PM

WelldeadLink: Lsherm: I'm assuming since they're checking if the spot welds are there or not that they had a problem with one of the robots during production?  You'd think human error would be improper welds, not entirely missing welds.

That depends on whether it's Monday nap time or not.



drinking all weekend makes the monday/tuesday worker pretty worthless.
 
2014-05-29 03:40:08 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: My 43 year old Nissan has seatbelts, and a safety-glass windshield. No side-curtain airbags. No headrests. No anti-lock brakes. No rear-view camera. None of that "Oh I don't want to die" namby-pamby bullshiat. Safety is for pussies...



Nissan kicks ass.  period.  those damn things will run until the frame drops out.
 
2014-05-29 03:41:04 PM

MrSteve007: LemSkroob: I remember when Japanese cars were reliable. What changed?
They started manufacturing Japanese cars in the USA. The 2013+ Nissan LEAF is made in Smyrna, Tennessee. All of the 2011 & 2012 LEAFs were made in Japan.

/Has one of the last 2012's sold.



key phrase:  They started manufacturing Japanese cars in the USA.
 
2014-05-29 03:41:58 PM

wildcardjack: ampoliros: Russ1642: That's what Toyota was doing with their unintended acceleration issue. I know someone that got a brand new newer model Rav4.

According to my brother (Toyota mechanic), the actual fix applied to Toyota cars was to start using stronger floor mat retainers.

Nobody wants to admit there was nothing wrong with any of the cars. It was mass hysteria that damn near destroyed a company. Like Oprah's mad cow incident.

GM's little key issue threatened the same thing. The solution was to issue keys with single holes instead of slots. I bet the average key chain of the crashed cars weighed over a pound, much more than the fob and house key they design for.

I think some of these recalls are a psychological campaign to improve owner loyalty and get people used to dealer service shops.


I don't think it's mass hysteria when it happened to my friend and his wife. They supposedly fixed it after.her incident but then it happened to him. I'm really leaning to a computer software or hardware issue.
 
2014-05-29 03:42:20 PM

Narrator: A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.

Business woman on plane: Are there a lot of these kinds of accidents?

Narrator: You wouldn't believe.

Business woman on plane: Which car company do you work for?

Narrator: A major one.

 
2014-05-29 03:43:37 PM

akula: wildcardjack: Nobody wants to admit there was nothing wrong with any of the cars. It was mass hysteria that damn near destroyed a company. Like Oprah's mad cow incident.

They did it to Audi in the early 80s... it took years for them to recover from that (in the US, anyway). NBC tried to do it to GM in the 90s with the exploding pickup truck bit... they were busted when it was revealed NBC was deliberately igniting spilled fuel to make it look really cool.

Fact is, the news media loves stories where the cars are trying to kill their owners. Even if it's not the truth they will sometimes create that narrative to work people into a lather and gain viewers.



but their "news" is actually quite good.  NOT.
 
2014-05-29 03:50:12 PM
Tom Clancy covered this already.  It ends badly for China a few books later.
 
2014-05-29 05:14:43 PM
My aunt got killed in a wreck due to a problem Nissan knew about but didn't disclose.  We only found out it was a known problem as a result of the lawsuit, which made my uncle a rich man.   http://i.imgur.com/tbH7jXA.jpg

It's been a few years though.  Maybe they've changed.
 
2014-05-29 06:33:13 PM

Cybernetic: For a grand total of 211 cars.


That's all they managed to sell?
 
2014-05-29 06:53:44 PM

Tobin_Lam: Cybernetic: For a grand total of 211 cars.

That's all they managed to sell?

They've sold over 50,000 electric cars in the US, and earlier this year, passed 100,000. Looks like they may be on track to sell over 200,000 EV's by the end of the year (total).

They've doing a good job at making all the EV doubters eat crow.
 
2014-05-29 07:21:42 PM

akula: wildcardjack: Nobody wants to admit there was nothing wrong with any of the cars. It was mass hysteria that damn near destroyed a company. Like Oprah's mad cow incident.

They did it to Audi in the early 80s... it took years for them to recover from that (in the US, anyway). NBC tried to do it to GM in the 90s with the exploding pickup truck bit... they were busted when it was revealed NBC was deliberately igniting spilled fuel to make it look really cool.

Fact is, the news media loves stories where the cars are trying to kill their owners. Even if it's not the truth they will sometimes create that narrative to work people into a lather and gain viewers.


I remember that as 60 minutes and not NBC
 
2014-05-29 08:33:33 PM

doofusss: akula: wildcardjack: Nobody wants to admit there was nothing wrong with any of the cars. It was mass hysteria that damn near destroyed a company. Like Oprah's mad cow incident.

They did it to Audi in the early 80s... it took years for them to recover from that (in the US, anyway). NBC tried to do it to GM in the 90s with the exploding pickup truck bit... they were busted when it was revealed NBC was deliberately igniting spilled fuel to make it look really cool.

Fact is, the news media loves stories where the cars are trying to kill their owners. Even if it's not the truth they will sometimes create that narrative to work people into a lather and gain viewers.

I remember that as 60 minutes and not NBC


No, was Dateline NBC.

http://articles.latimes.com/1993-02-10/news/mn-1335_1_gm-pickup

60 Minutes did the one with the Audi 5000.
 
2014-05-29 09:05:54 PM
Nissan Altima that I had was the most reliable car I've ever owned. Unfortunately, it did the Jap car thing and rusted out from under me. Is still probably running, somewhere, with 4 seats, an engine and 4 tires, but little else.

/ still only buys Jap
 
2014-05-29 10:04:47 PM
Just out of curiosity, what is stopping a Nissan dealership from just hitting that car with the welder to put those 6 spot welds there?  No need to replace the whole car that way, right?
 
2014-05-29 10:29:28 PM
As someone who bought a Nissan today (though not a Leaf - I don't think i could fit my leg in that much less myself), I'm not sure what to think.

/Gotta be better than my old GM piece of garbage
 
2014-05-29 10:37:49 PM

mrmopar5287: Just out of curiosity, what is stopping a Nissan dealership from just hitting that car with the welder to put those 6 spot welds there?  No need to replace the whole car that way, right?


I'm guessing that driving the car around without those welds has damaged other parts of the structure, so that it won't be as strong as it should be, even if you fix the welds.
 
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