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(SFGate)   San Francisco police set up bait bikes to catch bicycle thieves. Liberals have a problem with that... because it targets the poor. You know... those poor people that can't afford bikes and steal yours instead   (blog.sfgate.com) divider line 234
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2014-05-28 06:22:34 PM
The city locks the bikes up and thieves cut off the locks and steal the bikes... yep, sound exactly like entrapment.  Those poor, poor innocent people.
 
2014-05-28 06:36:06 PM
FTFA : One of the threads circulating on Twitter offers a counter-argument to the program: that bait bikes unfairly seduce people into crime

Seriously ? "That bike should not have been dressed like that" is your counter argument ? Stay classy San Fran loonies.
 
2014-05-28 06:38:52 PM
They use them here to great success. I have no issue with this method. The Bait Bikes have GPS so the police can follow them easily.
 
2014-05-28 06:43:27 PM
I get bike locks for free. I like to go places with lots of bikes, and 'secure' them for the owners, so they don't get stolen. Sadly, keys do not come with the locks...
 
2014-05-28 06:45:02 PM
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2014-05-28 06:46:56 PM
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2014-05-28 06:48:18 PM
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2014-05-28 07:40:31 PM
Good thing San Francisco has no murders, rapes, assaults, carjackings, etc to worry about so they can dedicate resources to things like this.
 
2014-05-28 07:58:32 PM

One Bad Apple: FTFA : One of the threads circulating on Twitter offers a counter-argument to the program: that bait bikes unfairly seduce people into crime

Seriously ? "That bike should not have been dressed like that" is your counter argument ? Stay classy San Fran loonies.


Did you see what that bike was wearing? That biatch was asking for it.
 
2014-05-28 08:32:37 PM

dr_blasto: One Bad Apple: FTFA : One of the threads circulating on Twitter offers a counter-argument to the program: that bait bikes unfairly seduce people into crime

Seriously ? "That bike should not have been dressed like that" is your counter argument ? Stay classy San Fran loonies.

Did you see what that bike was wearing? That biatch was asking for it.


It's kind of amusing to see how certain people line up when it comes to this bait-bike issue and crime in general.  It's like the only crime that's wrong because "there's no such thing as 'asking for it'" (obviously and agreeably) is rape.

But property crime?  The victim shouldn't have flaunted their locked-up bike where a transportation-deprived person could come and steal it.

Bike thieves steal the fruits of someone's labor, and a means by which a lot of people in SF and other urban areas go to work, and therefore put food on the table.  fark them, and fark the bleeding hearts for making excuses for bike thieves.
 
2014-05-28 08:57:39 PM
There a 4chan meme about this.
 
2014-05-28 08:59:26 PM

Aarontology: Good thing San Francisco has no murders, rapes, assaults, carjackings, etc to worry about so they can dedicate resources to things like this.


Right? Because some hipster or spandex clad stockbroker got his toy stolen by one of Those People.
 
2014-05-28 09:01:18 PM

sendtodave: There a 4chan meme about this.


Redguard stole my horse.
 
2014-05-28 09:03:03 PM
I've had one bicycle stolen in Brooklyn and this was years ago.

Rough transcript.

brap:  Hello, I would like to report that my bicycle was stolen.

Officer Krupke: You and 5,000 other people!

Needless to say, my bicycle was never recovered.
 
2014-05-28 09:03:22 PM
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What a bicycle thief might look like.
 
2014-05-28 09:03:38 PM
Won't somebody think of those poor bike thieves? I mean, come on!

/ I imagine that they'd continue saying that kind of crap until THEIR bike is stolen and then it's,"BURN THEM, BURN THEM ALL"!
 
2014-05-28 09:03:59 PM
Someone should talk to this guy...

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2014-05-28 09:04:08 PM

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I would steal it just so I could say I did it
 
2014-05-28 09:04:08 PM

Aarontology: Good thing San Francisco has no murders, rapes, assaults, carjackings, etc to worry about so they can dedicate resources to things like this.


A good bike can easily be as much as a used car and they're easier to steal. Bike theft can have a huge economic impact, and it doesn't sound like this is exactly an elite squad.
 
2014-05-28 09:06:38 PM
Some guy tried to run off with my bike after I ran in AutoZone to get a part. I chased him down and tossed him in the farking street.
/The guy was bigger than me , but my fight reflex was on turbo.
 
2014-05-28 09:07:46 PM
The minute you hop on a bike you know isn't yours, climb into a car you know isn't yours, pick up a wallet you know isn't yours, and take it away with you, it's stolen. It was your idea, no matter how bad you needed the bike, car, money, whatever. It's no more "enticement" or "entrapment" than a scantily-clad woman was enticing men into raping her.

You took something that belonged to somebody else because you thought you could get away with it, convinced yourself you really REALLY needed it, the rightful owner really didn't, and anyway, they shouldn't have left it lying around like that. You stole it.

If you really have so little self-control just seeing a pretty object makes you steal, then you're better locked up because you're going to rape someone, kill someone or do something even worse and we're afraid of you.
 
2014-05-28 09:07:54 PM
Wanted for questioning

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2014-05-28 09:07:54 PM

Fark It: But property crime? The victim shouldn't have flaunted their locked-up bike where a transportation-deprived person could come and steal it.


In this particular case, they are flaunting it. That's pretty much what bait is.

I have no problem with catching criminals, and thieves in general can go fark themselves with something large and pointy, but law enforcement using bait anything has always rubbed me the wrong way.

I put undercover hookers, improperly marked speed cameras, the new extremely low contrast "marked" cars (and similar tactics) in the same category. Not strictly speaking illegal, but it bothers me that law enforcement feels the need to be that sneaky over what I feel are crimes that shouldn't need that much time and effort spent on them.

/TL;DR I'm not telling them to stop, but my feelers certainly wouldn't be hurt if they did.
 
2014-05-28 09:10:08 PM
But it's so EASY to troll poor people!

Do you know how much paperwork would be involved to leave bait Lamborghini's in a rich neighborhood?
 
2014-05-28 09:10:19 PM

dr_blasto: One Bad Apple: FTFA : One of the threads circulating on Twitter offers a counter-argument to the program: that bait bikes unfairly seduce people into crime

Seriously ? "That bike should not have been dressed like that" is your counter argument ? Stay classy San Fran loonies.

Did you see what that bike was wearing? That biatch was asking for it.


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I like big trunks and I cannot lie!

/it was funnier in my head
 
2014-05-28 09:12:32 PM
Came for Pee Wee Herman, leaving disappointed.
 
2014-05-28 09:12:57 PM
...or they could not steal the bikes.
 
2014-05-28 09:13:19 PM
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sorry about all the watermarks
 
2014-05-28 09:13:21 PM
Liberals?

Maybe some random whack jobs in SF, but I think most people are fine with locking up shiat stains that are cutting off locks and stealing bikes.
 
2014-05-28 09:13:34 PM
So is there a legitimate complaint about policy, or is this just a bunch of young douchebags hating the police for lurking (albeit for a purpose)?
 
2014-05-28 09:14:17 PM
Yeah, it's not fair and if one person get caught in the sting, they should arrest everyone.
 
2014-05-28 09:15:16 PM

drtgb: Someone should talk to this guy...

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What a great movie.
 
2014-05-28 09:15:37 PM

TheYeti: Liberals?

Maybe some random whack jobs in SF, but I think most people are fine with locking up shiat stains that are cutting off locks and stealing bikes.


It's a common stereotype about San Francisco.  And Farkers love stereotypes.
 
2014-05-28 09:16:02 PM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Aarontology: Good thing San Francisco has no murders, rapes, assaults, carjackings, etc to worry about so they can dedicate resources to things like this.

A good bike can easily be as much as a used car and they're easier to steal. Bike theft can have a huge economic impact, and it doesn't sound like this is exactly an elite squad.


Then they should be using these resources to find and prosecute bike thefts from private citizens not setting up bait bikes.

These sorts of things only serve to inflate arrest numbers and make it seem like the police and city government are "doing something" about thefts while pulling resources that should be being used to solve actual thefts. It's a ruse and nothing more.

This won't help citizens get their stolen bike back, and as such is a waste of limited police resources and time.
 
2014-05-28 09:17:13 PM

One Bad Apple: FTFA : One of the threads circulating on Twitter offers a counter-argument to the program: that bait bikes unfairly seduce people into crime

Seriously ? "That bike should not have been dressed like that" is your counter argument ? Stay classy San Fran loonies.


The part I find funny is that the main critic cited in TFA isn't some professor at Berkley or anything, but one from the University of North Carolina.
It's a small world.
 
2014-05-28 09:17:14 PM

spamdog: sorry about all the watermarks


Remember when /b/ was good?
 
2014-05-28 09:20:13 PM

Noticeably F.A.T.: Fark It: But property crime? The victim shouldn't have flaunted their locked-up bike where a transportation-deprived person could come and steal it.

In this particular case, they are flaunting it. That's pretty much what bait is.

I have no problem with catching criminals, and thieves in general can go fark themselves with something large and pointy, but law enforcement using bait anything has always rubbed me the wrong way.

I put undercover hookers, improperly marked speed cameras, the new extremely low contrast "marked" cars (and similar tactics) in the same category. Not strictly speaking illegal, but it bothers me that law enforcement feels the need to be that sneaky over what I feel are crimes that shouldn't need that much time and effort spent on them.

/TL;DR I'm not telling them to stop, but my feelers certainly wouldn't be hurt if they did.


Lol I take it you haven't seen the new fleet yet of normal, unmarked vehicles. I was pulled over by a red Toyota corolla before, and I just saw a black Subaru Outback the other day. When it was pulling up in the lane next to me I had to do a double take on its roof bars because they had fitted the front with lights. Then I looked down and noticed the officer in the car and radio/laptop mounted in it.
 
2014-05-28 09:21:35 PM

Aarontology: Then they should be using these resources to find and prosecute bike thefts from private citizens not setting up bait bikes.


These aren't one-offs though. It's not like people are walking around and think "man, I'd sure like to have that bike, and I just happen to have an 8 pound lever and a set of heavy-duty bolt cutters." They're professionals, like car thieves, that know what to look for and have a way to fence them (bikes have serial numbers on them). If you target the people who are repeatedly stealing bikes, you'll get fewer stolen bikes.
 
2014-05-28 09:22:09 PM

MFAWG: Aarontology: Good thing San Francisco has no murders, rapes, assaults, carjackings, etc to worry about so they can dedicate resources to things like this.

Right? Because some hipster or spandex clad stockbroker got his toy stolen by one of Those People.


I always love the argument "There are other more serious problems, which have always existed and always will, so we shouldn't do anything at all about these smaller problems." It just makes sense.
 
2014-05-28 09:22:54 PM
This was the subject of an episode of  Cops,years ago. I remember the one guy must have been a serious career criminal, because  after the obligatory backyard fence hopping fat camera man wheezing foot chase, the kid was actually relieved that he was being arrested for taking the bike.

"This is about the bike? Really? The bike?"
 
2014-05-28 09:23:12 PM

Noticeably F.A.T.: Fark It: But property crime? The victim shouldn't have flaunted their locked-up bike where a transportation-deprived person could come and steal it.

In this particular case, they are flaunting it. That's pretty much what bait is.

I have no problem with catching criminals, and thieves in general can go fark themselves with something large and pointy, but law enforcement using bait anything has always rubbed me the wrong way.

I put undercover hookers, improperly marked speed cameras, the new extremely low contrast "marked" cars (and similar tactics) in the same category. Not strictly speaking illegal, but it bothers me that law enforcement feels the need to be that sneaky over what I feel are crimes that shouldn't need that much time and effort spent on them.

/TL;DR I'm not telling them to stop, but my feelers certainly wouldn't be hurt if they did.


And since it looks like you are in my neck of the woods, keep an eye out for the Subaru in Boulder. Solid black, tented windows.
 
2014-05-28 09:23:17 PM
Those aren't liberals.  They are leftist nutjobs.
 
2014-05-28 09:29:02 PM
Top Gear has a solution

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2014-05-28 09:31:22 PM

sendtodave: spamdog: sorry about all the watermarks

Remember when /b/ was good?


/b/ was never good
 
2014-05-28 09:31:41 PM

Aarontology: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Aarontology: Good thing San Francisco has no murders, rapes, assaults, carjackings, etc to worry about so they can dedicate resources to things like this.

A good bike can easily be as much as a used car and they're easier to steal. Bike theft can have a huge economic impact, and it doesn't sound like this is exactly an elite squad.

Then they should be using these resources to find and prosecute bike thefts from private citizens not setting up bait bikes.

These sorts of things only serve to inflate arrest numbers and make it seem like the police and city government are "doing something" about thefts while pulling resources that should be being used to solve actual thefts. It's a ruse and nothing more.

This won't help citizens get their stolen bike back, and as such is a waste of limited police resources and time.


And the wildlife department should keep waiting for people to get attacked by known dangerous animals instead of setting a trap? I bet it takes far fewer resources to track your own bike when you expect it to be stolen than to track some stranger's bike.
 
2014-05-28 09:32:03 PM

netizencain: The city locks the bikes up and thieves cut off the locks and steal the bikes... yep, sound exactly like entrapment.  Those poor, poor innocent people.


I agree 100%.  They are cutting through locks, they get no sympathy from me and shouldn't get any sympathy from any rational human being.
 
2014-05-28 09:34:05 PM
Baitcars (leaving a car running next to a liquor store in a bad part of town with an expensive laptop on the seat) piss me off.

Going after professional bike thieves with locked, expensive bikes.  That makes sense.
 
2014-05-28 09:34:34 PM

SearchN: Lol I take it you haven't seen the new fleet yet of normal, unmarked vehicles


Oh, I have, and while I'm not a huge fan of unmarked cars I understand their potential utility and and I'm actually a little happy to see the police finally wising up. A black & white that only has the black painted over is as obvious as a standard B&W. If you're going to have an undercover car, make the farker not stick out.

No, I'm talking about "ghost cars", they are technically not unmarked and don't have to abide by the same unmarked rules

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I just don't like the increasing tendency of law enforcement to do everything they can to stay juuuuuust this side of what's legal. It rankles.
 
2014-05-28 09:34:40 PM

TheYeti: Liberals?

Maybe some random whack jobs in SF, but I think most people are fine with locking up shiat stains that are cutting off locks and stealing bikes.


I think if they were leaving the bait bikes unlocked then I would maybe have an issue with the fact they are bicycles that cost up to $10k specifically to increase the crime from a misdemeanor to a felony, because that seems a bit too close to entrapment.  However, it sounds like all of the bait bikes are locked up (although maybe with a flimsy lock), so these are definitely  bike thieves intent on theft taking the bike for its value as opposed to a crime of oppurtunity (or someone just stealing for a ride as opposed to value) and therefore I have no problem it.

\not from SF
\\but I do have problems with entrapment and trumped up charges.
 
2014-05-28 09:35:35 PM

Noticeably F.A.T.: I put undercover hookers, improperly marked speed cameras, the new extremely low contrast "marked" cars (and similar tactics) in the same category. Not strictly speaking illegal, but it bothers me that law enforcement feels the need to be that sneaky over what I feel are crimes that shouldn't need that much time and effort spent on them.


I don't have any problem with cops trying to blend in. Criminals aren't going to do their thing when they know a cop is nearby, they'll just wait for a better opportunity. If they think they can get away with it, it is better for a cop to be nearby and catch them in the act.
 
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