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(Deadspin)   "All those in favor of a new Braves stadium, say 'aye.' All those opposed, meet us in the room marked 'Braves World Championships Since 1995'"   (deadspin.com) divider line 66
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2014-05-28 10:20:58 AM  
Is this the one I'm going to be calling "sphincter field" or is that another new stadium?
 
2014-05-28 12:26:36 PM  

nmrsnr: Is this the one I'm going to be calling "sphincter field" or is that another new stadium?


Beware the Leopard Stadium
 
2014-05-28 12:31:14 PM  
I'm a Braves fan, but this is asinine.
 
2014-05-28 12:52:33 PM  

bluorangefyre: I'm a Braves fan, but this is asinine.


Especially for a stadium that's only 20 years old. I want them to change the skydome in Toronto to be less "cement toilet bowl like" but that'll never happen. It may be paid for but nobody want to fund another one.
 
2014-05-28 02:43:52 PM  
Does Vegas have odds on how long it takes for indictments to arrive on the five Cobb County commissioners for kickbacks?
 
2014-05-28 02:44:06 PM  
i.kinja-img.com
Looks like this guy didn't read the signs or respect the law and order.  Now he's doing hard times.
 
2014-05-28 02:44:21 PM  
You people are here to pay taxes not decide what a good use of your taxes might be. Begone from our meeting peasants
 
2014-05-28 02:45:39 PM  
Someone is getting back to their roots.  For those of you that are unaware, the team was named the Braves by then owner James Gaffney who was a prominent member of Tammany Hall.  The Braves nickname was a reference to Tammany Hall members, who had adopted Indian Chief Tamanend as a prominent symbol of the society and often referred to its members as Braves.

This is the kind of Deal that Tammany Hall would have been proud of.
 
2014-05-28 02:48:02 PM  
Why do the Braves need a new stadium anyways? Their World Series wins were all in Fulton County stadium, so it's hardly like they can complain that they need new digs to improve their game. Turner Field is only like 15 years old....
 
2014-05-28 02:49:56 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-05-28 02:52:27 PM  
In the final contract, it is revealed the Braves are not legally on the hook to build the promised $400M worth of the planned amenities.  Guess what that means?

Personally, I think this is great.  The Braves get a new stadium, and Cobb County gets the much sought after satisfaction of really sticking it to Atlanta.  I'll enjoy the amenities, and let somebody else pay for it.
 
2014-05-28 02:54:18 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-05-28 02:56:05 PM  
i.kinja-img.com
 
2014-05-28 02:57:34 PM  
I haven't lived in ATL in 5 years and yet this still makes me so angry.  Turner Field is such a great place to catch a game. I remember buying $2-$5 tickets and just hanging out at the Chop House in the outfield.

While getting there could sometimes be a hassle depending on where you were coming from (even from just over in East Atlanta) this move is going to make it 10x worse for everyone.  Add to that all the tax dollars coming from Tea party land and not one tiny piece of this makes any sense to anyone not profiting directly from it.
 
2014-05-28 02:57:37 PM  

Rapmaster2000: In the final contract, it is revealed the Braves are not legally on the hook to build the promised $400M worth of the planned amenities.  Guess what that means?

Personally, I think this is great.  The Braves get a new stadium, and Cobb County gets the much sought after satisfaction of really sticking it to Atlanta.  I'll enjoy the amenities, and let somebody else pay for it.


Just like the Falcons' new stadium, I'm thinking that a lot of the taxpayer money will come from hotel taxes, which means that out of towners will most likely be paying for it.
 
2014-05-28 02:58:14 PM  

kidgenius: Why do the Braves need a new stadium anyways? Their World Series wins were all in Fulton County stadium, so it's hardly like they can complain that they need new digs to improve their game. Turner Field is only like 15 years old....


They could just rebuild Fulton County stadium. The outline is still in the parking lot.

www.stadiumpage.com
 
2014-05-28 03:00:35 PM  

GhettoWinter: I haven't lived in ATL in 5 years and yet this still makes me so angry.  Turner Field is such a great place to catch a game. I remember buying $2-$5 tickets and just hanging out at the Chop House in the outfield.

While getting there could sometimes be a hassle depending on where you were coming from (even from just over in East Atlanta) this move is going to make it 10x worse for everyone.  Add to that all the tax dollars coming from Tea party land and not one tiny piece of this makes any sense to anyone not profiting directly from it.


The Ted is in a shiatty part of town. The new location is where 75% of the fan base is from, so for 75% of the fans, the drive to the stadium will be easier. What everyone is forgetting (or conveniently not remembering) is that the Braves have been talking to Atlanta for years on improvement of the area around the stadium that is riddled with low income housing and violence as well as upgrading the stadium and the city basically ignored them. When they bent over backwards for the Falcons, that was the final straw.
 
2014-05-28 03:00:53 PM  
And they wonder why more Boston fans show up than their own fans for games.  Because Boston fans aren't getting dicked around by the team they cheer for.
 
2014-05-28 03:02:50 PM  

KingKauff: Rapmaster2000: In the final contract, it is revealed the Braves are not legally on the hook to build the promised $400M worth of the planned amenities.  Guess what that means?

Personally, I think this is great.  The Braves get a new stadium, and Cobb County gets the much sought after satisfaction of really sticking it to Atlanta.  I'll enjoy the amenities, and let somebody else pay for it.

Just like the Falcons' new stadium, I'm thinking that a lot of the taxpayer money will come from hotel taxes, which means that out of towners will most likely be paying for it.


Nope.  It's property taxes.

County annual revenue sources for bond payments:
Renewal of countywide property tax levy: $8.6 million
Braves rent: $6.1 million
New property tax from Cumberland-area businesses: $5.1 million
New nightly hotel room fee: $2.7 million
Existing hotel-motel tax: $940,000
New rental car tax in unincorporated Cobb: $400,000

They better hope those numbers are realistic.  When you can't make your coupon payments, bad things happen.

Fortunately, they can always raise property taxes to pick up the slack.
 
2014-05-28 03:04:09 PM  
20 years old? How in the world can you compete in a stadium that's 20 years old? That's crazy! There's no way to win in a stadium like that.

graphics8.nytimes.com
 
2014-05-28 03:06:30 PM  

Rapmaster2000: KingKauff: Rapmaster2000: In the final contract, it is revealed the Braves are not legally on the hook to build the promised $400M worth of the planned amenities.  Guess what that means?

Personally, I think this is great.  The Braves get a new stadium, and Cobb County gets the much sought after satisfaction of really sticking it to Atlanta.  I'll enjoy the amenities, and let somebody else pay for it.

Just like the Falcons' new stadium, I'm thinking that a lot of the taxpayer money will come from hotel taxes, which means that out of towners will most likely be paying for it.

Nope.  It's property taxes.

County annual revenue sources for bond payments:
Renewal of countywide property tax levy: $8.6 million
Braves rent: $6.1 million
New property tax from Cumberland-area businesses: $5.1 million
New nightly hotel room fee: $2.7 million
Existing hotel-motel tax: $940,000
New rental car tax in unincorporated Cobb: $400,000

They better hope those numbers are realistic.  When you can't make your coupon payments, bad things happen.

Fortunately, they can always raise property taxes to pick up the slack.


Ok. I hadn't really heard where the revenue was coming from. I live in Cobb County and work about 2 miles from where the new stadium will be built. I don't mind paying taxes for it. Yes, traffic will suck at first, but then people will figure out how to get around it.
 
2014-05-28 03:09:41 PM  

KingKauff: Rapmaster2000: In the final contract, it is revealed the Braves are not legally on the hook to build the promised $400M worth of the planned amenities.  Guess what that means?

Personally, I think this is great.  The Braves get a new stadium, and Cobb County gets the much sought after satisfaction of really sticking it to Atlanta.  I'll enjoy the amenities, and let somebody else pay for it.

Just like the Falcons' new stadium, I'm thinking that a lot of the taxpayer money will come from hotel taxes, which means that out of towners will most likely be paying for it.


I think it was like 17M
 
2014-05-28 03:10:14 PM  

KingKauff: GhettoWinter: I haven't lived in ATL in 5 years and yet this still makes me so angry.  Turner Field is such a great place to catch a game. I remember buying $2-$5 tickets and just hanging out at the Chop House in the outfield.

While getting there could sometimes be a hassle depending on where you were coming from (even from just over in East Atlanta) this move is going to make it 10x worse for everyone.  Add to that all the tax dollars coming from Tea party land and not one tiny piece of this makes any sense to anyone not profiting directly from it.

The Ted is in a shiatty part of town. The new location is where 75% of the fan base is from, so for 75% of the fans, the drive to the stadium will be easier. What everyone is forgetting (or conveniently not remembering) is that the Braves have been talking to Atlanta for years on improvement of the area around the stadium that is riddled with low income housing and violence as well as upgrading the stadium and the city basically ignored them. When they bent over backwards for the Falcons, that was the final straw.


You are correct about the area surrounding the stadium being... not great. I will concede that point. As to the other...

Adding 20,000 cars to the 75/285 connector between 5 and 7pm will not be easy for anyone.  This is also a part of town that has continuously rejected mass transit because it would bring "those people." The ease of access and better parking arguments for this are a sham.

/fark Cobb county
 
2014-05-28 03:10:53 PM  

Rapmaster2000: [i.kinja-img.com image 640x408]
Looks like this guy didn't read the signs or respect the law and order.  Now he's doing hard times.


He clearly should've done so prior to taking a trip to Cobb County, Georgia.
 
2014-05-28 03:11:11 PM  
Oh I was waaaaay off. Anyways, yeah good article pointing out the common dickery of a county council
 
2014-05-28 03:12:47 PM  
Oh, and they should have to change their name after this move.

Cobb County Braves

or more like NBA

The Smyrna White Flight
 
2014-05-28 03:15:22 PM  
KingKauff:

Ok. I hadn't really heard where the revenue was coming from. I live in Cobb County and work about 2 miles from where the new stadium will be built. I don't mind paying taxes for it. Yes, traffic will suck at first, but then people will figure out how to get around it.

Great.  I don't mind you paying for it either.

/jk
 
2014-05-28 03:16:20 PM  

GhettoWinter: KingKauff: GhettoWinter: I haven't lived in ATL in 5 years and yet this still makes me so angry.  Turner Field is such a great place to catch a game. I remember buying $2-$5 tickets and just hanging out at the Chop House in the outfield.

While getting there could sometimes be a hassle depending on where you were coming from (even from just over in East Atlanta) this move is going to make it 10x worse for everyone.  Add to that all the tax dollars coming from Tea party land and not one tiny piece of this makes any sense to anyone not profiting directly from it.

The Ted is in a shiatty part of town. The new location is where 75% of the fan base is from, so for 75% of the fans, the drive to the stadium will be easier. What everyone is forgetting (or conveniently not remembering) is that the Braves have been talking to Atlanta for years on improvement of the area around the stadium that is riddled with low income housing and violence as well as upgrading the stadium and the city basically ignored them. When they bent over backwards for the Falcons, that was the final straw.

You are correct about the area surrounding the stadium being... not great. I will concede that point. As to the other...

Adding 20,000 cars to the 75/285 connector between 5 and 7pm will not be easy for anyone.  This is also a part of town that has continuously rejected mass transit because it would bring "those people." The ease of access and better parking arguments for this are a sham.

/fark Cobb county


There's supposedly going to be special off ramps just for the stadium. Like I said, it will take a bit of time (half to three quarter of a season I think) for people to figure out better ways around. *shrug* We'll see.
 
2014-05-28 03:17:22 PM  

GhettoWinter: Oh, and they should have to change their name after this move.

Cobb County Braves

or more like NBA

The Smyrna White Flight


You mean like how the Cowboys are referred to as "Dallas" when they don't even play in the freaking city?
 
2014-05-28 03:18:54 PM  

Rapmaster2000: KingKauff:

Ok. I hadn't really heard where the revenue was coming from. I live in Cobb County and work about 2 miles from where the new stadium will be built. I don't mind paying taxes for it. Yes, traffic will suck at first, but then people will figure out how to get around it.

Great.  I don't mind you paying for it either.

/jk


that gave me a chortle
 
2014-05-28 03:40:12 PM  

KingKauff: There's supposedly going to be special off ramps just for the stadium. Like I said, it will take a bit of time (half to three quarter of a season I think) for people to figure out better ways around. *shrug* We'll see.


As a non-expert in Atlanta traffic but with family there, I would think the choke point where you're going to have a hard time finding a better way around is going to be crossing the Chattahoochee on The Perimeter.  Johnson Ferry across the river and Mt. Paran to I-75 across the river are way out of the way for those in Sandy Springs and points to the east and northeast.
 
2014-05-28 03:40:18 PM  
Meh, sounds like the decision was made long before the "hearing" anyway.  Having people speak was probably just a check box in the process.   Even if they had allowed 5k speakers and 4999 were against, the vote would have been 5-0 for.

This happens in local government all the time, granted not for $300+ million decisions but still limiting speakers or even attendees at an already done deal is pretty common.
 
2014-05-28 03:47:54 PM  
Wasn't it Cobb County whose school system temporarily lost its accreditation a few years ago?
 
2014-05-28 03:51:41 PM  
Isn't this a black and white issue for the Braves?
 
2014-05-28 03:55:28 PM  
People get grumpy about these sorts of things, sometimes to the point of shooting people.
 
2014-05-28 04:08:17 PM  
A new stadium isn't going to do it.  The Braves have to leave Atlanta altogether.  They are only allowed one World Series championship in each city they play in.
 
2014-05-28 04:09:09 PM  

Bermuda59: Isn't this a black and white issue for the Braves?


Oh come on.  Are you implying that the home of the "tomahawk chop" is racist?
 
2014-05-28 04:09:52 PM  

DoBeDoBeDo: Meh, sounds like the decision was made long before the "hearing" anyway.


Using loopholes to circumvent a public vote on a baseball stadium requiring public financing is worth more of a reaction than a "meh" in my book.

On the other hand, my admittedly minor understanding of Atlanta from living there for less than a year is that Cobb County is quite overwhelmingly "red", so certain elected people that I'm sure ran on a platform dripping with concern about spending have some explaining to do.
 
2014-05-28 04:10:39 PM  
So the taxpayers are going to give a bunch of rich guys lots of money to provide for sports?
Wow, what a surprise.
//SSDD
 
2014-05-28 04:15:10 PM  

Killer Cars: DoBeDoBeDo: Meh, sounds like the decision was made long before the "hearing" anyway.

Using loopholes to circumvent a public vote on a baseball stadium requiring public financing is worth more of a reaction than a "meh" in my book.

On the other hand, my admittedly minor understanding of Atlanta from living there for less than a year is that Cobb County is quite overwhelmingly "red", so certain elected people that I'm sure ran on a platform dripping with concern about spending on poor people....


FTFY
 
2014-05-28 04:17:56 PM  

12349876: KingKauff: There's supposedly going to be special off ramps just for the stadium. Like I said, it will take a bit of time (half to three quarter of a season I think) for people to figure out better ways around. *shrug* We'll see.

As a non-expert in Atlanta traffic but with family there, I would think the choke point where you're going to have a hard time finding a better way around is going to be crossing the Chattahoochee on The Perimeter.  Johnson Ferry across the river and Mt. Paran to I-75 across the river are way out of the way for those in Sandy Springs and points to the east and northeast.


Yup. That's where the big problem will be.

Killer Cars: DoBeDoBeDo: Meh, sounds like the decision was made long before the "hearing" anyway.

Using loopholes to circumvent a public vote on a baseball stadium requiring public financing is worth more of a reaction than a "meh" in my book.

On the other hand, my admittedly minor understanding of Atlanta from living there for less than a year is that Cobb County is quite overwhelmingly "red", so certain elected people that I'm sure ran on a platform dripping with concern about spending have some explaining to do.


Nope. They're too busy building their "I voted to repeal Obama care 4 bajillion times, so re-elect me and I'll do it again".
 
2014-05-28 04:18:49 PM  

Killer Cars: DoBeDoBeDo: Meh, sounds like the decision was made long before the "hearing" anyway.

Using loopholes to circumvent a public vote on a baseball stadium requiring public financing is worth more of a reaction than a "meh" in my book.

On the other hand, my admittedly minor understanding of Atlanta from living there for less than a year is that Cobb County is quite overwhelmingly "red", so certain elected people that I'm sure ran on a platform dripping with concern about spending have some explaining to do.


The idea is that while there has never been a net ROI to any city that takes public financing to build a stadium, it will work this time because it's "America's best run county".

They will succeed where all others have failed because they're better people.  Many voters believe this.  Besides, they're getting a lot of pride out of this.  They've hit the big time.  They're determined to show all the naysayers how great this will be for them.
 
2014-05-28 04:26:17 PM  
You know what this thread needs? bulldog4life or maybe steamingpile

You can thank me later
 
2014-05-28 04:33:32 PM  

KingKauff: You know what this thread needs? bulldog4life or maybe steamingpile

You can thank me later


Don't talk up the devil.
 
2014-05-28 04:50:41 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Killer Cars: DoBeDoBeDo: Meh, sounds like the decision was made long before the "hearing" anyway.

Using loopholes to circumvent a public vote on a baseball stadium requiring public financing is worth more of a reaction than a "meh" in my book.

On the other hand, my admittedly minor understanding of Atlanta from living there for less than a year is that Cobb County is quite overwhelmingly "red", so certain elected people that I'm sure ran on a platform dripping with concern about spending have some explaining to do.

The idea is that while there has never been a net ROI to any city that takes public financing to build a stadium, it will work this time because it's "America's best run county".

They will succeed where all others have failed because they're better people.  Many voters believe this.  Besides, they're getting a lot of pride out of this.  They've hit the big time.  They're determined to show all the naysayers how great this will be for them.



that's one way to justify doing stupid shiat.  it's also the definition of insanity.  i would say i'm amazed, but i'm not...  hooray for welfare for billionaires.

/and they really think that cobb county is america's best run county?  really?
 
2014-05-28 05:13:26 PM  

kidgenius: Why do the Braves need a new stadium anyways? Their World Series wins were all in Fulton County stadium, so it's hardly like they can complain that they need new digs to improve their game. Turner Field is only like 15 years old....


because Atlanta sports teams suck, and if you can't win the trophy and your fans are too fickle you might as well win in the pocket book with a little taxpayer extortion
 
2014-05-28 05:30:39 PM  
Can you imagine what $400 million could do to their public school system?
 
2014-05-28 05:43:25 PM  
And of course a fraction of every ticket sold, plus a set fraction of the media and merchandise proceeds for the Braves, will be sent to the County to reimburse the taxpayers.

Right?
 
2014-05-28 06:02:58 PM  

KingKauff: GhettoWinter: I haven't lived in ATL in 5 years and yet this still makes me so angry.  Turner Field is such a great place to catch a game. I remember buying $2-$5 tickets and just hanging out at the Chop House in the outfield.

While getting there could sometimes be a hassle depending on where you were coming from (even from just over in East Atlanta) this move is going to make it 10x worse for everyone.  Add to that all the tax dollars coming from Tea party land and not one tiny piece of this makes any sense to anyone not profiting directly from it.

The Ted is in a shiatty part of town. The new location is where 75% of the fan base is from, so for 75% of the fans, the drive to the stadium will be easier. What everyone is forgetting (or conveniently not remembering) is that the Braves have been talking to Atlanta for years on improvement of the area around the stadium that is riddled with low income housing and violence as well as upgrading the stadium and the city basically ignored them. When they bent over backwards for the Falcons, that was the final straw.


I don't know, there sure are a lot of season ticket holders in Gwinnett. Y'ever try to get from Lawrenceville/Duluth to Cumberland at 5pm?
 
2014-05-28 06:06:06 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Wasn't it Cobb County whose school system temporarily lost its accreditation a few years ago?


That was actually Clayton, but the Cobb budget for education was just released and 182 teachers were let go on top of ~200 that were let go months ago. Furlough days, bigger cuts, etc.

But...But...a lake in right center!
 
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