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(The Raw Story)   Edward Snowden: I am totally a hardcore spy and not just a low level systems analyst   (rawstory.com) divider line 268
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2014-05-28 02:40:06 AM  
He's a smart guy. Smart enough to figure out that he can basically claim anything and no one could successfully dispute it.

Which is not to say that I think he's lying in this particular case, just that if he had the impetus to lie that he could do so with impunity.

What he's done for the American people has been enormously important, but I think he overestimated the American people's attention span and desire for accountability from its government. Hopefully his actions will be the seed that sprouts a movement for greater accountability and a true change in our government from one that serves itself to one that serves the citizens.
 
2014-05-28 02:40:58 AM  
Alrighty then, hacker.

/joke


Seriously Mr. Snowden, use all those spy powers of yours to keep your ass alive. I'm sure someone is head hunting you.
 
2014-05-28 03:32:41 AM  
He's a spy now, if he was trained or not.

What I don't like is that a treasonous spy, although I'd like to see him pardoned that's what he is by his own admission, probably has a better lifestyle in asylum that I do working six days a week.
 
2014-05-28 03:54:18 AM  
Question:  isn't his year in Russia about to end?  What happens then?
 
2014-05-28 05:23:35 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: He's a smart guy. Smart enough to figure out that he can basically claim anything and no one could successfully dispute it.

Which is not to say that I think he's lying in this particular case, just that if he had the impetus to lie that he could do so with impunity.

What he's done for the American people has been enormously important, but I think he overestimated the American people's attention span and desire for accountability from its government. Hopefully his actions will be the seed that sprouts a movement for greater accountability and a true change in our government from one that serves itself to one that serves the citizens.


this.
 
2014-05-28 06:23:42 AM  
My name is Edward Snowden. I used to be a spy. Until... "We got a  burn notice on you."

When you're burned, you've got nothing: no cash, no credit, no job history. You're stuck in whatever city they decide to dump you in.


"Where am I?"

"Russia."
 
2014-05-28 06:41:54 AM  
Sounds like someone has delusions of self importance.
 
2014-05-28 06:43:09 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: What he's done for the American people has been enormously important, but I think he overestimated the American people's attention span and desire for accountability from its government. Hopefully his actions will be the seed that sprouts a movement for greater accountability and a true change in our government from one that serves itself to one that serves the citizens.


And maybe someday they'll find Jimmy Hoffa.
 
2014-05-28 06:43:36 AM  
So he decides to wait a year or so to respond to the "low-level analyst" claims, but countering that he's the greatest spy that's ever spied.  This smacks of "I desperately want out of Russia, so someone please think I'm James Bond so you'll want to help a bro out here in exchange for my not-at-all trumped up services and information that I claimed I no longer have access to."
 
2014-05-28 06:45:04 AM  
Oh he was a spy all the time I agree ,just not for the USA.
He's not a hero.
Anyone with a little knowledge of computer systems knew that it was likely their data was being collected by government and corporate entities. The way he did it makes it obvious he was trying to embarrass the government. I suspect he was working for someone most likely the Russians. I mean really , that guy has a model  girlfriend?
He didn't help the American people. He put them at risk.
 
2014-05-28 06:47:21 AM  
he may not have been one before, but he is one now.
 
2014-05-28 06:50:18 AM  

Ghryswald: My name is Edward Snowden. I used to be a spy. Until... "We got a  burn notice on you."

When you're burned, you've got nothing: no cash, no credit, no job history. You're stuck in whatever city they decide to dump you in.

"Where am I?"

"Russia."


Perfect reference
 
2014-05-28 06:53:00 AM  
"Hey!  Look at me!  I'm still relevant!"
 
2014-05-28 06:56:03 AM  
A glorified IT help-desk employee with delusions of grandeur? Color me shocked.

Snowden said he also lectured at a counter-intelligence "academy" while working for the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA).

Translation: "He gave a briefing once at a conference."

While working for the DIA, Snowden explained to Williams, he "developed sources and methods for keeping our information and people secure in the most hostile and dangerous environments around the world."

Translation: "Implemented a new IA policy requiring passwords to be 30 characters long, consist of five upper case letters, eight special characters (but not !@#$%^&*?| or |), no repeating letters, seven numbers, three cuneiform characters, and twelve hieroglyphs, with only two retries allowed and that need to be changed every five days."

"I was trained as a spy in sort of the traditional sense of the word...even being assigned a name that was not mine."

Translation: "My day consisted of people yelling at me, 'Hey, Cupcake, when you get done pretending to be James Bond hows about you come over here and unlock my account for me and upgrade Adobe Acrobat like I asked.'"
 
2014-05-28 06:57:06 AM  

sithon: Oh he was a spy all the time I agree ,just not for the USA.
He's not a hero.
Anyone with a little knowledge of computer systems knew that it was likely their data was being collected by government and corporate entities. The way he did it makes it obvious he was trying to embarrass the government. I suspect he was working for someone most likely the Russians. I mean really , that guy has a model  girlfriend?
He didn't help the American people. He put them at risk.


If the government would stop doing embarrassing things, we wouldn't be having this little discussion, would we?

We needed to know this stuff. We. The. People. It's our country, you know.
 
2014-05-28 06:57:31 AM  
I like him less and less the more of him I see.

Shut up and enjoy Russia. Good luck.
 
2014-05-28 07:02:27 AM  
This guy is trying way too hard to seem cool.
 
2014-05-28 07:03:03 AM  
AverageAmericanGuy:
What he's done for the American people has been enormously important, but I think he overestimated the American people's attention span and desire for accountability from its government.

Yup. The only way most Americans would even care would be to put him on a reality show with duck hunters, Bachelors and a Kardashian.
 
2014-05-28 07:14:36 AM  
He then added, "Me me me me me, me me me me me me."
 
2014-05-28 07:17:09 AM  

sithon: Oh he was a spy all the time I agree ,just not for the USA.
He's not a hero.
Anyone with a little knowledge of computer systems knew that it was likely their data was being collected by government and corporate entities. The way he did it makes it obvious he was trying to embarrass the government. I suspect he was working for someone most likely the Russians. I mean really , that guy has a model  girlfriend?
He didn't help the American people. He put them at risk.


How? What information that he release put the American people at risk, and how. Please be specific.

Later on you'll have to circle back and explain to me how the information he put out was vital to security, if as you say, anyone with a little knowledge of computer systems knew that this was going on? I am obviously not an intelligent person so I need these things explained to me clearly and slowly.
 
2014-05-28 07:22:55 AM  
He's wrong, of course.

He's a criminal.
 
2014-05-28 07:25:13 AM  

sithon: Oh he was a spy all the time I agree ,just not for the USA.
He's not a hero.
Anyone with a little knowledge of computer systems knew that it was likely their data was being collected by government and corporate entities. The way he did it makes it obvious he was trying to embarrass the government. I suspect he was working for someone most likely the Russians. I mean really , that guy has a model  girlfriend?
He didn't help the American people. He put them at risk.


He didn't put us at any more risk than we were already at... he called attention to the fact that our government, in it's zeal for "safety" has decided it doesn't need to follow laws, the constitution, or anything else... secret courts, secret rulings, secret lawyers issuing secret memos to interpret secret laws... there is nothing above board about what the US is becoming.
 
2014-05-28 07:27:21 AM  
I don't see why it's so hard to believe. This is likely what most of our spies look like.
 
2014-05-28 07:29:08 AM  
Go be a spy somewhere else.

Kthanksbye
 
2014-05-28 07:30:10 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: He's wrong, of course.

He's a criminal.


He committed a crime. Doesn't mean he's wrong. I am a bit skeptical about his claims, this isn't exactly an area where statements by the government are trustworthy. It also seems like a very bad idea for him to put out statements that could be disproven with even a moderate amount of effort. I would not be surprised if the reality fell in the middle of what he describes and what the feds describe.
 
2014-05-28 07:33:29 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Sounds like someone has delusions of self importance.


Seconded.
 
2014-05-28 07:33:35 AM  
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Snowden is not some low level system analyst who works on the guidance system. He is invincible!
 
2014-05-28 07:34:09 AM  
This guy is a big old nobody, of no importance whatsoever. Also, let's get him because he's like the worst traitor ever and did incalculable harm to the US.
 
2014-05-28 07:34:25 AM  
The best spies are low level systems analysts.
 
2014-05-28 07:35:02 AM  

Gaddiel: cameroncrazy1984: He's wrong, of course.

He's a criminal.

He committed a crime. Doesn't mean he's wrong. I am a bit skeptical about his claims, this isn't exactly an area where statements by the government are trustworthy. It also seems like a very bad idea for him to put out statements that could be disproven with even a moderate amount of effort. I would not be surprised if the reality fell in the middle of what he describes and what the feds describe.


They've routinely denied everything he says and call him a liar, then he releases the docs laying it all out. They were completely unaware of what he possessed. I doubt he's got a spy certificate laying around, but nobody has been able to catch him in a lie yet.
 
2014-05-28 07:36:57 AM  

Relatively Obscure: This guy is a big old nobody, of no importance whatsoever. Also, let's get him because he's like the worst traitor ever and did incalculable harm to the US.


I think you misunderstand the difference between what he was prior to his crime and afterward.
 
2014-05-28 07:37:14 AM  

Gaddiel: How? What information that he release put the American people at risk, and how. Please be specific.


Snowden released a massive amount of non-whistleblowish information along with the stuff that's been published. The journalists agree that much of it should not be published. However, the fact that they haven't published it does not change the fact that the information is compromised and in the hands of foreign actors who have a profit motive to release the information.

Snowden put people at risk. Their safety is dependent upon Greenwald's journalistic integrity and ability to resist foreign intelligence services' attempts to gain access to the information.

Some of the stories have already been a little borderline. We'll see where we are another year from now. Journalists gotta have stories, you know. The real test comes when the "scandalous" stuff stops putting dinner on the table.
 
2014-05-28 07:40:41 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: I don't see why it's so hard to believe. This is likely what most of our spies look like.


The details aren't hard to believe, but they only add up to being a spy in his imagination.

He wasn't supposed to tell anyone what he did for a living. That applies to almost everyone working for a spy agency. It doesn't make him a spy.

He spoke at conferences. IT contractors at many government agencies are encouraged to speak at conferences. He probably did it to get out of doing the annual security awareness training. Again, that doesn't make him a spy.
 
2014-05-28 07:44:59 AM  
none of this is actually surprising to anyone who read the arstechnica profile of this guy

snowden is a completely typical internet libertarian tough guy, would fit right in here at fark, probably even have his own catchphrase like "smug, sneering libs" or something
 
2014-05-28 07:45:57 AM  

Wendy's Chili: HotWingConspiracy: I don't see why it's so hard to believe. This is likely what most of our spies look like.

The details aren't hard to believe, but they only add up to being a spy in his imagination.

He wasn't supposed to tell anyone what he did for a living. That applies to almost everyone working for a spy agency. It doesn't make him a spy.

He spoke at conferences. IT contractors at many government agencies are encouraged to speak at conferences. He probably did it to get out of doing the annual security awareness training. Again, that doesn't make him a spy.


define "spy"... I mean, is an operative who works undercover more of a "spy" than a guy who sits at a computer, listens to all your phone calls, pores through all your personal data, hacks into your systems and looks at whatever data you have there? I mean, is physical proximity part of how we define spying?
 
2014-05-28 07:47:33 AM  

Ghryswald: My name is Edward Snowden. I used to be a spy. Until... "We got a  burn notice on you."

When you're burned, you've got nothing: no cash, no credit, no job history. You're stuck in whatever city they decide to dump you in.

"Where am I?"

"Russia."


"I might not be as smart and clever as I though I was about this."
 
2014-05-28 07:47:36 AM  

Wendy's Chili: HotWingConspiracy: I don't see why it's so hard to believe. This is likely what most of our spies look like.

The details aren't hard to believe, but they only add up to being a spy in his imagination.

He wasn't supposed to tell anyone what he did for a living. That applies to almost everyone working for a spy agency. It doesn't make him a spy.

He spoke at conferences. IT contractors at many government agencies are encouraged to speak at conferences. He probably did it to get out of doing the annual security awareness training. Again, that doesn't make him a spy.


Part of being a spy is appearing to be a normal Moe, no?
 
2014-05-28 07:48:14 AM  

Jackson Herring: snowden is a completely typical internet libertarian tough guy, would fit right in here at fark, probably even have his own catchphrase like "smug, sneering libs" or something


His poledancing girlfriend would have been the new Homeschooled Girl.
 
2014-05-28 07:49:32 AM  
Sure ya are, Eddie.  Sure ya are.
 
2014-05-28 07:50:25 AM  
This guy should be shot into the sun after being flogged for what he did in revealing our secrets.  And also it's no big deal because everybody knew already anyway.
 
2014-05-28 07:53:28 AM  

Relatively Obscure: This guy should be shot into the sun after being flogged for what he did in revealing our secrets.  And also it's no big deal because everybody knew already anyway.


Lets be honest a huge number of people are so unaware that they had no idea about any of this stuff.
 
2014-05-28 07:56:14 AM  

Relatively Obscure: And also it's no big deal because everybody knew already anyway.


Does nobody remember this? We already knew NSA was vacuuming up stuff it oughtn't.
www.zerohedge.com
 
2014-05-28 08:05:05 AM  
If only he had brought these NSA programs to light while Bush was still in office, we could have properly celebrated him as a hero-patriot.
 
2014-05-28 08:11:01 AM  
Seriously, the most likely case is that this guy was basically the Print Server of the IT server layout. The least secure and most easily "Broken" piece of the Security puzzle. He was probably making shiat money, and someone came to him and said "I see you make shiat money. Want a check?" 

I mean, seriously, this guy went flying from country to country on a low level salary and, for a guy basically living in an airport, seems to be financially doing just fine, just fine enough to continually have "Great Hair", and that just barely unshaven look that makes the ladies swoon and think he's all hardcore. You can guarantee he's being backed now, and considering the risk involved in leaking everything, you can be damn sure he was being backed before he did it too. The question ends up being, was it China(The first country he stopped in on his way out), or Russia that hired him to do so.

Of course, now, it barely matters. Russia got the intel they wanted, China got the intel they wanted, and Snowden thinks he's some sort of Rockstar, and is milking it for all its worth in a desperate bid to stay relevant.
 
2014-05-28 08:11:17 AM  
Only a Dimwit would believe this administration's claim that he was just a low-level analyst.
 
2014-05-28 08:11:18 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Relatively Obscure: And also it's no big deal because everybody knew already anyway.

Does nobody remember this? We already knew NSA was vacuuming up stuff it oughtn't.
[www.zerohedge.com image 397x296]


In what sense do you use the word "we"? As in, you and the mouse in your pocket, or, the entirety of the U.S. population? One of those would be accurate and the other is quite presumptive given the general level of ignorance among Americans.

Go out and ask people in general--the waitress at Applebee's maybe--if they know who he is and what he did. Your "we" might be a lot less inclusive.
 
2014-05-28 08:12:23 AM  

firefly212: Wendy's Chili: HotWingConspiracy: I don't see why it's so hard to believe. This is likely what most of our spies look like.

The details aren't hard to believe, but they only add up to being a spy in his imagination.

He wasn't supposed to tell anyone what he did for a living. That applies to almost everyone working for a spy agency. It doesn't make him a spy.

He spoke at conferences. IT contractors at many government agencies are encouraged to speak at conferences. He probably did it to get out of doing the annual security awareness training. Again, that doesn't make him a spy.

define "spy"... I mean, is an operative who works undercover more of a "spy" than a guy who sits at a computer, listens to all your phone calls, pores through all your personal data, hacks into your systems and looks at whatever data you have there? I mean, is physical proximity part of how we define spying?


He never claimed that he did any kind of surveillance, just that he, "put systems to work for the United States." He's being intentionally vague because "resetting passwords" and "backing up data" doesn't sound sexy.

Using the same generalized language, I could make a case that I'm qualified to be president: I'm a management consultant who's worked in finance, energy, public health, hospital care, criminal justice, national security and patents. I've studied business, politics and physics at an expensive, private university. I'm Mitt Romney, Albert Einstein, Perry Mason and Florence Nightingale rolled into one.
 
2014-05-28 08:13:58 AM  

vharshyde: He was probably making shiat money


He was making great money. This was all about ego. He wanted to be the guy who brought down Big Brother.
 
2014-05-28 08:16:47 AM  

Poot beer: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Relatively Obscure: And also it's no big deal because everybody knew already anyway.

Does nobody remember this? We already knew NSA was vacuuming up stuff it oughtn't.
[www.zerohedge.com image 397x296]

In what sense do you use the word "we"?


People who read the news.
 
2014-05-28 08:21:56 AM  

karnal: Only a Dimwit would believe this administration's claim that he was just a low-level analyst.


Only a dimwit would believe Snowden's claim that he was James Bond.
 
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