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(The Detroit_News)   Funding for family planning decreased, abortion rate goes up. Who could have predicted that outcome? Oh, everyone. Right   (detroitnews.com) divider line 93
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2014-05-27 03:19:07 PM  
expected outcomes are expected

NEWS FLASH: RAIN IS WET!
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-05-27 03:20:23 PM  
I would imagine that there are plenty of fundamentalist republicans who are baffled at that result.
 
2014-05-27 03:22:22 PM  
Ow! My eyes! My doctor told me I shouldn't get Obvious in them!
 
2014-05-27 03:30:33 PM  
This is genuinely shocking news.

*shaking my head*
 
2014-05-27 03:34:53 PM  
*sigh*
 
2014-05-27 03:44:09 PM  
Premature births are the leading cause of death for children in Detroit? That's awful. Hopefully, with broader access to healthcare that will change. Although homicide at second place isn't a much rosier alternative.
 
2014-05-27 03:46:11 PM  
what will be really sad will be the statistics we'll start to see in red states that have closed a ton of clinics, like mississippi and texas. i'm guessing we'll see a spike in deaths from septicemia and an increase in horrific kermit gosnell stories.
 
2014-05-27 03:48:43 PM  
correlation vs causation


When the economy sucks people fark more. People who are farking more but don't have money for the babies get rid of the babies.
 
2014-05-27 03:49:04 PM  
Well, everyone who isn't being purposefully obtuse.
 
2014-05-27 03:50:33 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: correlation vs causation


When the economy sucks people fark more. People who are farking more but don't have money for the babies get rid of the babies.


Science 2.0?

Even by your standards, that's pretty farking stupid.
 
2014-05-27 03:52:48 PM  
Skewed libby-lib LIE-beral reporting.

The next thing you know, they'll be saying tax cuts for job creators doesn't boost the economy.

Or that science is a thing, when it isn't even mentioned in the bible.

Damned libs are all gay-brainwashed by core curriculum is what it is.
 
2014-05-27 03:52:55 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: When the economy sucks people fark more. People who are farking more but don't have money for the babies get rid of the babies.


That explains the lowered birth rate during the Great Depression and the subsequent baby boom after the war.
 
2014-05-27 03:56:29 PM  
It's amazing when looking at the long term how much cheaper contraceptives or abortions are vs society raising unwanted children.  There should be ubiquitous and free birth control, practical sex education, and hell, free abortions for everyone as well.  It's such a simple change that would save this country so much money and trouble in the long run.

/tiny flags for people who aren't happy with these ideas, of course.
 
2014-05-27 03:56:59 PM  

vpb: I would imagine that there are plenty of fundamentalist republicans who are baffled at that result.


Not their representatives. They know full well that properly funded family planning programs reduce abortions. That's why they oppose them.

A lot of right wing politicians owe their political careers to the existence of legal abortion. Without that bogeyman, there'd be nothing to thump their Bibles on.
 
2014-05-27 03:57:45 PM  
I'm surprised there is so much sex going on in Detroit.
 
2014-05-27 03:58:27 PM  

theorellior: The Stealth Hippopotamus: When the economy sucks people fark more. People who are farking more but don't have money for the babies get rid of the babies.

That explains the lowered birth rate during the Great Depression and the subsequent baby boom after the war.


IIRC, there was a big down turn in '46 and '47 that put Truman very much at risk in '48.
 
2014-05-27 03:59:37 PM  
Yes, but, not unlike drinking and driving and marijuana laws, if you outlaw abortion all together, it'll magically go away.
 
2014-05-27 03:59:49 PM  
Next headline: for-profit abortion clinics franchise.
 
2014-05-27 03:59:53 PM  
img.fark.net

I think we all know the true cause is not letting our children pray or read the bible in school.
 
2014-05-27 04:00:20 PM  

vpb: I would imagine that there are plenty of fundamentalist republicans who are baffled at that result.


That is a rather outlandish assumption, considering they never let facts impede their agenda before.
 
2014-05-27 04:00:41 PM  

vpb: I would imagine that there are plenty of fundamentalist republicans who are baffled at that result.


Pshaw, of course not. It's clearly the devil's handiwork.
 
2014-05-27 04:01:52 PM  

soseussme: Skewed libby-lib LIE-beral reporting.

The next thing you know, they'll be saying tax cuts for job creators doesn't boost the economy.

Or that science is a thing, when it isn't even mentioned in the bible.

Damned libs are all gay-brainwashed by core curriculum is what it is.


Poe's Law Inquiry: Real or Lampoon?  I honestly can't tell anymore.
 
2014-05-27 04:04:02 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: When the economy sucks people fark more. People who are farking more but don't have money for the babies get rid of the babies


Is that always true? IIRC there's research that during an economic downturn, people are too depressed (or too drunk) to fark.
 
2014-05-27 04:04:09 PM  

MadCat221: soseussme: Skewed libby-lib LIE-beral reporting.

The next thing you know, they'll be saying tax cuts for job creators doesn't boost the economy.

Or that science is a thing, when it isn't even mentioned in the bible.

Damned libs are all gay-brainwashed by core curriculum is what it is.

Poe's Law Inquiry: Real or Lampoon?  I honestly can't tell anymore.


Gotta be sarcasm....please?
 
2014-05-27 04:05:56 PM  
I thought abortion was family planning.
 
Bf+
2014-05-27 04:06:41 PM  
Thanks, Obama.
/FoxNewz
 
2014-05-27 04:06:50 PM  

Arkanaut: The Stealth Hippopotamus: When the economy sucks people fark more. People who are farking more but don't have money for the babies get rid of the babies

Is that always true? IIRC there's research that during an economic downturn, people are too depressed (or too drunk) to fark.



Anecdotally speaking, there is literally nothing that prevents Mrs. Baull from farking.
 
2014-05-27 04:07:43 PM  

Lord_Baull: Anecdotally speaking, there is literally nothing that prevents Mrs. Baull from farking.


Don't I know it, brother.
 
2014-05-27 04:08:33 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: correlation vs causation


and jesus rode a dinosaur and trickle down economics is real, let's out science these libtard farks! what else you libs got? I bet you think global warming is real too.
 
2014-05-27 04:11:04 PM  
It's been well understood that republicans cause abortions for a while.
 
2014-05-27 04:12:44 PM  
Republicans don't want to stop abortions, they just want to run women's lives and punish them for being "sluts".
 
2014-05-27 04:12:49 PM  

Giltric: I thought abortion was family planning.


That's because you're not very intelligent.
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2014-05-27 04:13:21 PM  
The comments. I don't even.
 
2014-05-27 04:16:41 PM  
Obviously not enough aspirin was being issued to put between their knees.
 
2014-05-27 04:17:06 PM  

vpb: I would imagine that there are plenty of fundamentalist republicans who are baffled at that result.


Sinners aren't abstaining hard enough.

Probably brown people.
 
2014-05-27 04:18:26 PM  
Abstinence only sex ed doesn't reduce unplanned pregnancy?  That's unpossible!  Gosh, Bristol Palin told me it worked like a charm!

Guys, seriously, how simple could it be?  You can have your conservative approved sex ed, or you can have low unplanned pregnancy numbers (which turns into low abortion numbers, and even if they drive out of state for it, it is still an abortion).
 
2014-05-27 04:18:29 PM  
The objection to family planning, contreception, sex education has absolutely nothing to do with changing the number of unwanted pregnancies.  It has everything to do with forcing women to be punished for sex.  Period.  Even if she's married and has sanctioned sex, if God gives you a babby you take it whether you want it or not, whether you can afford it or not,  and for some extremists, whether it'll kill you or not.
 
2014-05-27 04:19:01 PM  

Corvus: Republicans don't want to stop abortions, they just want to run women's lives and punish them for being "sluts".


And if you think that statement of mine was partisan bullshiat, just read the comments on the article.
 
2014-05-27 04:25:03 PM  
No kidding?  Get serious subby.

I mean no one in a million years thought this would be the case.

Next thing you'll tell me is the predominant attitudes towards sex and sex education in this country cause an unnecessarily high STD rate too.
 
2014-05-27 04:25:58 PM  
The wire coat hanger industry loves the South.
 
2014-05-27 04:27:00 PM  

Corvus: Corvus: Republicans don't want to stop abortions, they just want to run women's lives and punish them for being "sluts".

And if you think that statement of mine was partisan bullshiat, just read the comments on the article.


I should have ignored you.

But I didn't, and now I'm disgusted.
 
2014-05-27 04:28:21 PM  

meat0918: No kidding?  Get serious subby.

I mean no one in a million years thought this would be the case.

Next thing you'll tell me is the predominant attitudes towards sex and sex education in this country cause an unnecessarily high STD rate too.


Well, that and your mom.
 
2014-05-27 04:30:01 PM  
On the bright side, this will give conservatives another opportunity to blame poor people for being irresponsible, so they'll continue to have something to live for.
 
2014-05-27 04:30:15 PM  

Corvus: Corvus: Republicans don't want to stop abortions, they just want to run women's lives and punish them for being "sluts".

And if you think that statement of mine was partisan bullshiat, just read the comments on the article.


The idiocy in the comments section is pretty astounding.
 
2014-05-27 04:31:01 PM  

Ambivalence: The objection to family planning, contreception, sex education has absolutely nothing to do with changing the number of unwanted pregnancies.  It has everything to do with forcing women to be punished for sex.  Period.  Even if she's married and has sanctioned sex, if God gives you a babby you take it whether you want it or not, whether you can afford it or not,  and for some extremists, whether it'll kill you or not.


"Be fruitful and multiply."

Not much women's lib there.
 
2014-05-27 04:31:33 PM  

meat0918: Corvus: Corvus: Republicans don't want to stop abortions, they just want to run women's lives and punish them for being "sluts".

And if you think that statement of mine was partisan bullshiat, just read the comments on the article.

I should have ignored you.

But I didn't, and now I'm disgusted.


Stepped out of your echo chamber into the real world for a minute, huh?
 
2014-05-27 04:33:31 PM  

DGS: The comments. I don't even.


Having grown up in rural Michigan (The Thumb) and having family that are in the suburbs of Detroit and Flint (yeah, my grandparents were part of the white flight out of Flint, renting out the house they had lived at and moving elsewhere)... they don't surprise me.  It's just makes me want to scream.

I mean christ, these are people, same as you and me.  The differences are miniscule.
 
2014-05-27 04:35:35 PM  

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: meat0918: Corvus: Corvus: Republicans don't want to stop abortions, they just want to run women's lives and punish them for being "sluts".

And if you think that statement of mine was partisan bullshiat, just read the comments on the article.

I should have ignored you.

But I didn't, and now I'm disgusted.

Stepped out of your echo chamber into the real world for a minute, huh?


No, I don't live in an echo chamber.

I recommend seeing a production of Clybourne Park if you have a chance too.
 
2014-05-27 04:35:42 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Lord_Baull: Anecdotally speaking, there is literally nothing that prevents Mrs. Baull from farking.

Don't I know it, brother.


On the contrary, we found something that stopped Mrs. Samurai - gall bladder surgery.

The doc walked in for the pre-op and said, "First thing's first. Absolutely not, for at least two weeks."
 
2014-05-27 04:35:46 PM  
When the puzzle piece doesn't seem to fit, these people reach for a hammer.
 
2014-05-27 04:36:15 PM  

Corvus: Corvus: Republicans don't want to stop abortions, they just want to run women's lives and punish them for being "sluts".

And if you think that statement of mine was partisan bullshiat, just read the comments on the article.


^This^

It seems obvious to anyone who bothers to think about it.  If you truly wanted to have less abortions you would be in favor of things that would prevent unplanned pregnancies like free birth control.

The truth is that either pro-lifers see the issue as black or white and see zero abortions as the ONLY acceptable outcome, therefore if a women has an abortion (and they always will, check the bible) it should be dangerous, shameful and as painful as possible.  Or they acknowledge that there will always cases where abortions will happen but they don't truly want to see less abortions, they just (as you said) want to punish woman.

What other choice is there after observing their actions?
 
2014-05-27 04:36:56 PM  

Corvus: Republicans don't want to stop abortions, they just want to run women's lives and punish them for being "sluts".


Agreed, but IMO at the heart of that is the fact that they're very uncomfortable with - or even fearful of - talking about sex, which probably has to do with their deference to religious moral authority, and upholding of tradition for tradition's sake. I imagine if I had grown up in a place that's out of touch with the "national conversations" that we've been having on sexuality, I would probably hold a lot of the same beliefs about abortions and gays.
 
2014-05-27 04:46:29 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Soup4Bonnie: Lord_Baull: Anecdotally speaking, there is literally nothing that prevents Mrs. Baull from farking.

Don't I know it, brother.

On the contrary, we found something that stopped Mrs. Samurai - gall bladder surgery.

The doc walked in for the pre-op and said, "First thing's first. Absolutely not, for at least two weeks."



Dude. I haven't the words to express my grief. Two weeks. That's like, infinity, man.
 
2014-05-27 04:48:52 PM  

ginandbacon: Premature births are the leading cause of death for children in Detroit? That's awful. Hopefully, with broader access to healthcare that will change. Although homicide at second place isn't a much rosier alternative.


And the "best case" scenario is growing up in Detroit? *shudder*
 
2014-05-27 04:49:34 PM  

Lord_Baull: UNC_Samurai: Soup4Bonnie: Lord_Baull: Anecdotally speaking, there is literally nothing that prevents Mrs. Baull from farking.

Don't I know it, brother.

On the contrary, we found something that stopped Mrs. Samurai - gall bladder surgery.

The doc walked in for the pre-op and said, "First thing's first. Absolutely not, for at least two weeks."


Dude. I haven't the words to express my grief. Two weeks. That's like, infinity, man.


Two weeks at 40 is WAY different than two weeks at 20.
 
2014-05-27 04:52:21 PM  

jst3p: Lord_Baull: UNC_Samurai: Soup4Bonnie: Lord_Baull: Anecdotally speaking, there is literally nothing that prevents Mrs. Baull from farking.

Don't I know it, brother.

On the contrary, we found something that stopped Mrs. Samurai - gall bladder surgery.

The doc walked in for the pre-op and said, "First thing's first. Absolutely not, for at least two weeks."


Dude. I haven't the words to express my grief. Two weeks. That's like, infinity, man.

Two weeks at 40 is WAY different than two weeks at 20.



In what way? (not sure what you're trying to say)
 
2014-05-27 04:52:59 PM  
She's also a Zumba instructor, so for two weeks in the middle of January, she couldn't teach, couldn't run, couldn't dance vertically, couldn't dance horizontally or diagonally. There was a LOT of NFL playoffs and a Chuck marathon, and sanity was still holding on by a thread.
 
2014-05-27 04:54:28 PM  

Lord_Baull: In what way? (not sure what you're trying to say)


Just that abstaining for 2 weeks at 20 would have been a lot more frustrating than at 40 (well, I am 39 but close enough).

Maybe it's just me?
 
2014-05-27 04:55:45 PM  

GhostFish: When the puzzle piece doesn't seem to fit, these people reach for a hammer.


A long, throbbing ball peen hammer.
 
2014-05-27 04:57:57 PM  

DGS: The comments. I don't even.


Holy shiat, you aren't kidding....

Free condoms = more sex outside marriage = more single women getting pregnant = more abortions.

The stupid, it burns!
 
2014-05-27 04:59:12 PM  

jst3p: Lord_Baull: In what way? (not sure what you're trying to say)

Just that abstaining for 2 weeks at 20 would have been a lot more frustrating than at 40 (well, I am 39 but close enough).

Maybe it's just me?



I dunno. I was pretty stupid at 20, so the bouts of forced abstinence were frequent. It's certainly a subject for debate.
 
2014-05-27 04:59:48 PM  

Giltric: I thought abortion was family planning.


That's what they taught me at my liberal college.  They also taught me lesbianism and that taxes feel like hugs and smell like cotton candy.
 
2014-05-27 05:02:52 PM  

IvyLady: Giltric: I thought abortion was family planning.

That's what they taught me at my liberal college.  They also taught me lesbianism and that taxes feel like hugs and smell like cotton candy.



I was taught that taking away people's guns was the highest form of patriotic.
 
2014-05-27 05:13:57 PM  

sugardave: Giltric: I thought abortion was family planning.

That's because you're not very intelligent.


From the pro choice website......over 50% of women claim to be using birth control (that has a 99.9% effective success rate) when they get pregnant.


What are the odds people lie when asked if they are using birth control.


Thats like a guy who shot his wife with a hunting rifle saying he was cleaning it when it just went off.......accidentally.
 
2014-05-27 05:24:11 PM  

Giltric: From the pro choice website......over 50% of women claim to be using birth control (that has a 99.9% effective success rate) when they get pregnant.


That doesn't mean necessarily that they're lying. First of all, it's 99.9% (or whatever the actual percentage is) effective when used as instructed; they might have been using it wrong. Second, if that "50%" means "50% of women who have unplanned pregnancies", it still depends on how many people have unplanned pregnancies, and what percentage of people are having protected sex. If two women have unplanned pregnancies out of millions of people who have sex, and one of them was using a condom, that's still a pretty high effective rate.

That said, odds are that some of those surveyed are lying. Can't tell you how many though.
 
2014-05-27 05:24:42 PM  

Giltric: sugardave: Giltric: I thought abortion was family planning.

That's because you're not very intelligent.

From the pro choice website......over 50% of women claim to be using birth control (that has a 99.9% effective success rate) when they get pregnant.


What are the odds people lie when asked if they are using birth control.


Thats like a guy who shot his wife with a hunting rifle saying he was cleaning it when it just went off.......accidentally.


Yes.  The pro-choice website.  The only one.

/Not even going to get into your technical truth about BC
 
2014-05-27 05:33:34 PM  

Corvus: Corvus: Republicans don't want to stop abortions, they just want to run women's lives and punish them for being "sluts".

And if you think that statement of mine was partisan bullshiat, just read the comments on the article.


Well, sure.  Now that abortions are on the rise, we can make abortions illegal.  Once abortions are illegal, we'll be able to see at a glance who deserves to wear a scarlet A.

\Step 3: Profit!
 
2014-05-27 06:20:54 PM  
I don't get a few things:

Nearly one-third of all pregnancies in the city of Detroit end in abortion, a statistic public health officials blame on rising poverty and dwindling access to affordable contraception.

I call bullshiat on this, if only because condoms and the pill are both significantly cheaper than an abortion.  If you aren't shelling out $5 for a 3 pack of condoms but can scare up $4-500 for an abortion, then it's not an affordability argument.

And maybe someone with experience in Detroit public schools can explain this one:

Detroit Public Schools spokeswoman Jennifer Mrozowski said the district has an abstinence-based sexuality curriculum that is "age, sequentially and developmentally appropriate for all students grades K-12 including special education."

Where is that directive coming from?
 
2014-05-27 06:32:47 PM  

Lsherm: I don't get a few things:

Nearly one-third of all pregnancies in the city of Detroit end in abortion, a statistic public health officials blame on rising poverty and dwindling access to affordable contraception.

I call bullshiat on this, if only because condoms and the pill are both significantly cheaper than an abortion.  If you aren't shelling out $5 for a 3 pack of condoms but can scare up $4-500 for an abortion, then it's not an affordability argument.

And maybe someone with experience in Detroit public schools can explain this one:

Detroit Public Schools spokeswoman Jennifer Mrozowski said the district has an abstinence-based sexuality curriculum that is "age, sequentially and developmentally appropriate for all students grades K-12 including special education."

Where is that directive coming from?


No idea, but I thought all sex education stressed abstience as the only 99.99999999999999% sure way of not getting pregnant, but some also choose to say "But if you're gonna get busy, use a condom to prevent STDs and reduce pregancies and take the pill to lower pregnancy risk, but still use a goddamn condom to stop STDs", while abstinence only ones say "ABSTAIN, ABSTAIN, ABSTAIN!!!! Ignore those urges and you won't need to learn about how to have safe sex.  Abstain.  Pray.  Abstain.  Pray some more, but don't jerk it, that's wrong.  In fact, we won't even talk about masturbation.  Abstinence only!"
 
2014-05-27 06:38:29 PM  

MadCat221: soseussme: Skewed libby-lib LIE-beral reporting.

The next thing you know, they'll be saying tax cuts for job creators doesn't boost the economy.

Or that science is a thing, when it isn't even mentioned in the bible.

Damned libs are all gay-brainwashed by core curriculum is what it is.

Poe's Law Inquiry: Real or Lampoon?  I honestly can't tell anymore.


Sad, isn't it?

I am sometimes foolish, but I hope never THAT foolish.
 
2014-05-27 07:04:39 PM  
No, everyone Left.
 
2014-05-27 07:05:52 PM  
I have to wonder if the real objective of all this anti-birth control, anti-abortion politics is to ensure successive generations of low-information voters, easy to sway and manipulate?
 
2014-05-27 08:35:05 PM  

Lexx: I have to wonder if the real objective of all this anti-birth control, anti-abortion politics is to ensure successive generations of low-information voters, easy to sway and manipulate?


And to keep growing the base of the pyramid
 
2014-05-27 08:55:45 PM  
How is that people can't afford birth control but they can afford abortions?
 
2014-05-27 08:58:14 PM  

ikanreed: It's been well understood that republicans cause abortions for a while.


Well, they PRODUCE abortions, is that the same thing?
 
2014-05-27 09:07:43 PM  
That's 5693 that public funds won't have to go to support.

MANY people are OK with that.
 
2014-05-27 09:28:18 PM  

Giltric: From the pro choice website......over 50% of women claim to be using birth control (that has a 99.9% effective success rate) when they get pregnant.


What does that even mean? Use a cite like a literate person.
 
2014-05-27 10:37:33 PM  

Lexx: I have to wonder if the real objective of all this anti-birth control, anti-abortion politics is to ensure successive generations of low-information voters, easy to sway and manipulate?


That has always worked for churches.  N.B. the Quiverful movement, the Catholic Church, Fundamentalist Islam, Orthodox Judaism....
 
2014-05-27 11:05:00 PM  

Hickory-smoked: Giltric: From the pro choice website......over 50% of women claim to be using birth control (that has a 99.9% effective success rate) when they get pregnant.

What does that even mean? Use a cite like a literate person.


Somebody is lying... Probably the pill....
 
2014-05-27 11:13:09 PM  
Fewer Yankees amiright folks?!

*Hand up for high five*

Guys?
 
2014-05-27 11:25:16 PM  

ginandbacon: Premature births are the leading cause of death for children in Detroit? That's awful.


That's pretty standard for third-world nations.

/wait
 
2014-05-28 12:39:18 AM  

cchris_39: How is that people can't afford birth control but they can afford abortions?


It's not a matter of rationally weighing costs for a lot of people. They haven't been taught proper reproductive biology or prioritization. They have sex and hope there are no negative outcomes. (Many people are under the highly erroneous impression that pregnancy only occurs if one or both parties want it to, as if the sperm and egg care what their host organisms think). It's only when they're under the gun of an inevitable pregnancy, that they try to scratch up the cash for an abortion.

Which is why reproductive biology should be honestly taught, and contraceptives made cheap or free. Also maybe some goddamn impulse control, which I know runs counter to our capitalist BUY BUY BUY DO IT DO IT SEX IS AWESOME XTREEEME society, so I doubt that will ever happen.

CSS time: I know upper-middle class white women who have had abortion(s). My good Catholic relative who worked in a counseling position at an upper-middle/upper class, mostly white, Catholic college got burned out by encountering so many girls getting pregnant and having abortions, year after year (in addition to/abetted by rampant date rape and cocaine use).

Hell, my mom knew a nurse in the pre Roe vs. Wade era who worked in an obgyn clinic. Often some well-to-do white woman would come in, complain of not having her period, and the doctor would order some type of procedure to clean out that pesky uterus. Oops, a fetus comes out, who knew the lady was pregnant? The nurse was getting upset and suspicious about how often a fetus would make a surprise appearance.

So pretending abortion is solely an inner-city black phenomenon is sorely misguided. But if you make abortions illegal, rich white women are always going to be able to solve the problem cleanly while the poor people suffer.
 
2014-05-28 02:15:55 AM  
Why are liberals always so logically challenged?  This isn't a poverty AND family planning cost problem.  It's a poverty problem.  This is quite obvious to people that have brains (and do financials for abortion clinics).  Abortions cost more than contraceptives.  PP would give away contraceptives if it reduced abortions.  But it doesn't.  Poor people will sell their contraceptives before using them.  It's quite the idiotic statement to claim that planned parenthood is spending more on abortions if they could cut costs with free contraceptives.

So to sum up, in places where there isn't as much poverty, abortion rates are lower and contraception use is higher even if contraceptives are not free.  In places where there is more poverty, abortion rates are higher and contraception use is lower even when both services are free.    The difference between Detroit and the rest of Michigan isn't the high cost of contraceptives, it's the high poverty rate.
 
2014-05-28 02:32:11 AM  

FlashHarry: what will be really sad will be the statistics we'll start to see in red states that have closed a ton of clinics, like mississippi and texas. i'm guessing we'll see a spike in deaths from septicemia and an increase in horrific kermit gosnell stories.


That's what THEY want. That's what they LIKE.

So stand back and let them enjoy the funerals of their womenfolk.
 
2014-05-28 02:32:54 AM  

tbeatty: Why are liberals always so logically challenged?  This isn't a poverty AND family planning cost problem.  It's a poverty problem.  This is quite obvious to people that have brains (and do financials for abortion clinics).  Abortions cost more than contraceptives.  PP would give away contraceptives if it reduced abortions.  But it doesn't.  Poor people will sell their contraceptives before using them.  It's quite the idiotic statement to claim that planned parenthood is spending more on abortions if they could cut costs with free contraceptives.

So to sum up, in places where there isn't as much poverty, abortion rates are lower and contraception use is higher even if contraceptives are not free.  In places where there is more poverty, abortion rates are higher and contraception use is lower even when both services are free.    The difference between Detroit and the rest of Michigan isn't the high cost of contraceptives, it's the high poverty rate.


For the same reason conservatives are so philosophically challenged, I guess. It isn't the morality of abortion that's the real issue, but the practical issue of being able to feed and house another child when you already have three, no job, and a house in foreclosure; while politicians and preachers orate about how 'you should have thought of that before you got pregnant" meanwhile shutting down the clinics you need to get the things you were thinking of before you got pregnant, cutting off the insurance you need to buy the things you were thinking of before you got pregnant, and hamstringing the sex-ed classes you needed to even think about those things before you got pregnant.

In places where there is comprehensive sex-ed and family planning early and often, where contraceptives are readily available and there is no social stigma to using them, and healthcare is easy to obtain so the Pill is not difficult to get, there is a markedly lower rate of unplanned pregnancies especially teenage pregnancies, and a concommittant reduction in poverty, which leads to even fewer teen pregnancies. And also fewer abortions. But for some reason some places would prefer no abortions and no sex ed to that better alternative.
 
2014-05-28 04:42:39 AM  

Gyrfalcon: tbeatty: Why are liberals always so logically challenged?  This isn't a poverty AND family planning cost problem.  It's a poverty problem.  This is quite obvious to people that have brains (and do financials for abortion clinics).  Abortions cost more than contraceptives.  PP would give away contraceptives if it reduced abortions.  But it doesn't.  Poor people will sell their contraceptives before using them.  It's quite the idiotic statement to claim that planned parenthood is spending more on abortions if they could cut costs with free contraceptives.

So to sum up, in places where there isn't as much poverty, abortion rates are lower and contraception use is higher even if contraceptives are not free.  In places where there is more poverty, abortion rates are higher and contraception use is lower even when both services are free.    The difference between Detroit and the rest of Michigan isn't the high cost of contraceptives, it's the high poverty rate.

For the same reason conservatives are so philosophically challenged, I guess. It isn't the morality of abortion that's the real issue, but the practical issue of being able to feed and house another child when you already have three, no job, and a house in foreclosure; while politicians and preachers orate about how 'you should have thought of that before you got pregnant" meanwhile shutting down the clinics you need to get the things you were thinking of before you got pregnant, cutting off the insurance you need to buy the things you were thinking of before you got pregnant, and hamstringing the sex-ed classes you needed to even think about those things before you got pregnant.

In places where there is comprehensive sex-ed and family planning early and often, where contraceptives are readily available and there is no social stigma to using them, and healthcare is easy to obtain so the Pill is not difficult to get, there is a markedly lower rate of unplanned pregnancies especially teenage pregnancies, and a con ...


The reason for that is simple, and I'll give you a hint:  It rhymes with Shmepublican Desus.
 
2014-05-28 07:24:36 AM  

tbeatty: Why are liberals conservative always so logically challenged lying?  This isn't a poverty AND family planning cost problem.  It's a poverty problem.  This is quite obvious to people that have brains (and do financials for abortion clinics).  Abortions cost more than contraceptives.  PP would give away contraceptives if it reduced abortions.  But it doesn't.  Poor people will sell their contraceptives before using them.  It's quite the idiotic statement to claim that planned parenthood is spending more on abortions if they could cut costs with free contraceptives.

So to sum up, in places where there isn't as much poverty, abortion rates are lower and contraception use is higher even if contraceptives are not free.  In places where there is more poverty, abortion rates are higher and contraception use is lower even when both services are free.    The difference between Detroit and the rest of Michigan isn't the high cost of contraceptives, it's the high poverty rate.


In other words, "those people."

Right.
 
2014-05-28 07:36:52 AM  

soseussme: Skewed libby-lib LIE-beral reporting.

The next thing you know, they'll be saying tax cuts for job creators doesn't boost the economy.

Or that science is a thing, when it isn't even mentioned in the bible.

Damned libs are all gay-brainwashed by core curriculum is what it is.


What's the definition of 'is' again?
 
2014-05-28 08:16:39 AM  
Penny-wise, and pound-foolish.
Lotta that going around these days.
 
2014-05-28 11:26:10 AM  
Maybe Bristol Palin can give them a motivational speech about the benefits of abstinence.
 
2014-05-28 01:59:09 PM  

soseussme: MadCat221: soseussme: Skewed libby-lib LIE-beral reporting.

The next thing you know, they'll be saying tax cuts for job creators doesn't boost the economy.

Or that science is a thing, when it isn't even mentioned in the bible.

Damned libs are all gay-brainwashed by core curriculum is what it is.

Poe's Law Inquiry: Real or Lampoon?  I honestly can't tell anymore.

Sad, isn't it?

I am sometimes foolish, but I hope never THAT foolish.


Oh, thank FSM...
 
2014-05-28 08:06:46 PM  

Giltric: From the pro choice website......over 50% of women claim to be using birth control (that has a 99.9% effective success rate) when they get pregnant.


Pray tell, which birth control is 99.9% effective?  The highest I've ever heard of was 97% effective. So....maybe that wasn't a pro-choice website after all?  Maybe?
 
2014-05-29 03:50:00 AM  

Gyrfalcon: tbeatty: Why are liberals always so logically challenged?  This isn't a poverty AND family planning cost problem.  It's a poverty problem.  This is quite obvious to people that have brains (and do financials for abortion clinics).  Abortions cost more than contraceptives.  PP would give away contraceptives if it reduced abortions.  But it doesn't.  Poor people will sell their contraceptives before using them.  It's quite the idiotic statement to claim that planned parenthood is spending more on abortions if they could cut costs with free contraceptives.

So to sum up, in places where there isn't as much poverty, abortion rates are lower and contraception use is higher even if contraceptives are not free.  In places where there is more poverty, abortion rates are higher and contraception use is lower even when both services are free.    The difference between Detroit and the rest of Michigan isn't the high cost of contraceptives, it's the high poverty rate.

For the same reason conservatives are so philosophically challenged, I guess. It isn't the morality of abortion that's the real issue, but the practical issue of being able to feed and house another child when you already have three, no job, and a house in foreclosure; while politicians and preachers orate about how 'you should have thought of that before you got pregnant" meanwhile shutting down the clinics you need to get the things you were thinking of before you got pregnant, cutting off the insurance you need to buy the things you were thinking of before you got pregnant, and hamstringing the sex-ed classes you needed to even think about those things before you got pregnant.

In places where there is comprehensive sex-ed and family planning early and often, where contraceptives are readily available and there is no social stigma to using them, and healthcare is easy to obtain so the Pill is not difficult to get, there is a markedly lower rate of unplanned pregnancies especially teenage pregnancies, and a con ...


Michigan is Michigan.  The fact that Detroit is different begs the question as to why.  All those things that you say affect pregnancy are not different in Detroit.  The difference in Detroit is that there is no money even for free contraceptives.  It's not that Planned Parenthood wouldn't make them available if they were effective but they are not.  They aren't effective because a free abortion can't be sold like free contraceptivs.

It's no different than shelters for the homeless.  It's not related to shelters or affordable housing.  Even free housing doesn't make the places that have high homeless rates suddenly not have them because the reason beyond homelessness isn't simply lack of housing.

This should be readily apparent with drug abuse and places with high intravenous drug users.  Free needles don't stop HIV.  It lowers it in places that have high intravenous drug use.  But those places will still have the highest rates of drug use and HIV..

The people getting abortions in Detroit get them from clinics in Detroit.  It's idiotic to say that the providers of abortion (Planned Parenthood) isn't giving away contraceptives if it reduced abortions.  They get paid for neither as these are indigent patients.  If contraceptives lowered abortions in Detroit, they'd give them way.
 
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