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(CNN)   Supreme Court decides IQ test for Florida executions would mean no one in the state would be eligible for execution   (cnn.com) divider line 119
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2014-05-27 01:34:21 PM  
For those who DRTFA, the actual opinion is the opposite of Subby's joke. The opinion said that having a "hard line" at 70 IQ points is unconstitutional because Florida ignored the fact that the IQ score is really x ± 5, so when the guy tested at 71, he's within the measurement error of being on the wrong side of the 70 IQ line for execution. So they said that a "hard line" test that didn't consider standard deviation errors was unconstitutional.
 
2014-05-27 02:41:26 PM  
I'd feel a lot better if they tested juries, judges, and police.
 
2014-05-27 02:43:39 PM  
What's to stop people from purposely failing the test so they won't be executed?
 
2014-05-27 02:57:48 PM  

Walker: What's to stop people from purposely failing the test so they won't be executed?


They're hooked up to a lie detector test while doing the IQ test.
 
2014-05-27 03:16:54 PM  
I'm not entirely sure anyone on the Supreme Court would either
 
2014-05-27 03:55:36 PM  

miss diminutive: Walker: What's to stop people from purposely failing the test so they won't be executed?

They're hooked up to a lie detector test while doing the IQ test.


Grteat, lets get these in-place for our congress critters asap.
 
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2014-05-27 03:56:21 PM  

miss diminutive: Walker: What's to stop people from purposely failing the test so they won't be executed?

They're hooked up to a lie detector test while doing the IQ test.



Nice!
 
2014-05-27 03:57:38 PM  
White House does not require baseline IQ.

Please read that in a snarky way, and assume I am talking about the one of the last 2 presidents you voted for.
 
2014-05-27 03:59:31 PM  

Walker: What's to stop people from purposely failing the test so they won't be executed?


The stigma of being called a 'tard.
 
2014-05-27 03:59:36 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: I'd feel a lot better if they tested juries, judges, and police.


I thought it was possible to be "too smart" to be a cop, that if you scored too well on an intelligence test or were too educated, you wouldn't qualify. They don't want a bunch of critical thinking, they want code enforcers.

I might have read that on fark, so it has to be true.
 
2014-05-27 03:59:58 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: miss diminutive: Walker: What's to stop people from purposely failing the test so they won't be executed?

They're hooked up to a lie detector test while doing the IQ test.

Grteat, lets get these in-place for our congress critters asap.


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2014-05-27 04:00:15 PM  
Not everyone in Florida has a low IQ. Lebron James has a high basketball IQ.

(But yes, everyone else in Florida has a low IQ)
 
2014-05-27 04:01:11 PM  
IQ shouldn't be the persuasive reason NOT to put people to death.
 
2014-05-27 04:01:58 PM  

AugieDoggyDaddy: Walker: What's to stop people from purposely failing the test so they won't be executed?

The stigma of being called a 'tard.


Hasn't created a problem here.
 
2014-05-27 04:01:58 PM  
How about we do away with state sanctioned revenge death altogether?
 
2014-05-27 04:02:32 PM  
How I originally read it...

An IQ test for Florida elections would mean no one could vote.
 
2014-05-27 04:03:09 PM  
I could totally pass the execution test!
 
2014-05-27 04:03:09 PM  

you are a puppet: Not everyone in Florida has a low IQ. Lebron James has a high basketball IQ.


Yeah, isn't he like 6'11"?
 
2014-05-27 04:03:46 PM  
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2014-05-27 04:11:12 PM  

miss diminutive: Walker: What's to stop people from purposely failing the test so they won't be executed?

They're hooked up to a lie detector test while doing the IQ test.


Those things won't hold up in a court of law, but in this case when a man's life is hanging in the balance?  It's ok?  I love this country.  And more so I love fl.
 
2014-05-27 04:11:41 PM  
Claiming you're too stupid to not kill people seems like an excellent reason to execute you.
 
2014-05-27 04:11:42 PM  

Walker: What's to stop people from purposely failing the test so they won't be executed?


this
 
2014-05-27 04:12:48 PM  

Strut: IQ shouldn't be the persuasive reason NOT to put people to death.


You shouldn't murder people.

But anyway, you don't recognise that there's some sort of limit where people are just, mentally handicapped?
 
2014-05-27 04:15:20 PM  

Endive Wombat: How about we do away with state sanctioned revenge death altogether?


We have state-sanctioned theft in the name of "social contract", so why not this?
 
2014-05-27 04:18:51 PM  
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"I like Florida. Everything is in the 80's. The temperatures, the ages and the IQs"
 
2014-05-27 04:19:06 PM  

Endive Wombat: How about we do away with state sanctioned revenge death altogether?


Indeed.

"Florida's law contravenes our nation's commitment to dignity and its duty to teach human decency as the mark of a civilized world," Kennedy said.

Yes, let's show our human decency and civilized society by only executing geniuses.
 
2014-05-27 04:20:35 PM  
FTA: Justice Antonin Scalia was among four more conservative colleagues to dissent, with Justice Samuel Alito saying the majority's conclusions were "unwise."

If the dissenting justices are okay with allowing an unreliable and arbitrary test like IQ to determine eligibility for being put to death, then surely they'd be okay with a similar requirement for supreme court justice nominations?

It might have prevented Scalia, Alito, and Thomas from being confirmed at the very least.  The supreme court is no place for their anti-intellectual mindset.
 
2014-05-27 04:21:27 PM  
....with   saying the majority's conclusions were "unwise."

Because we cannot have mob justice.
That would be a democracy.

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2014-05-27 04:24:53 PM  

joseelsegundo: Endive Wombat: How about we do away with state sanctioned revenge death altogether?

Indeed.

"Florida's law contravenes our nation's commitment to dignity and its duty to teach human decency as the mark of a civilized world," Kennedy said.

Yes, let's show our human decency and civilized society by only executing geniuses.


Wait, I thought killing retards was inhumane. You're saying the opposite is inhumane too? So you're just against executing ANYBODY, on principle.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-05-27 04:25:17 PM  
I'd settle for an IQ test for Florida public officials.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-05-27 04:26:49 PM  

B.L.Z. Bub: joseelsegundo: Endive Wombat: How about we do away with state sanctioned revenge death altogether?

Indeed.

"Florida's law contravenes our nation's commitment to dignity and its duty to teach human decency as the mark of a civilized world," Kennedy said.

Yes, let's show our human decency and civilized society by only executing geniuses.

Wait, I thought killing retards was inhumane. You're saying the opposite is inhumane too? So you're just against executing ANYBODY, on principle.


If we execute retards then who will run for Congress?
 
2014-05-27 04:27:18 PM  

H31N0US: ecmoRandomNumbers: I'd feel a lot better if they tested juries, judges, and police.

I thought it was possible to be "too smart" to be a cop, that if you scored too well on an intelligence test or were too educated, you wouldn't qualify. They don't want a bunch of critical thinking, they want code enforcers.

I might have read that on fark, so it has to be true.


It is:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95 83 6
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-05-27 04:28:01 PM  

B.L.Z. Bub: Endive Wombat: How about we do away with state sanctioned revenge death altogether?

We have state-sanctioned theft in the name of "social contract", so why not this?


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2014-05-27 04:29:03 PM  

B.L.Z. Bub: Endive Wombat: How about we do away with state sanctioned revenge death altogether?

We have state-sanctioned theft in the name of "social contract", so why not this?


I'm against the application of a completely irreversible punishment, even for the mentally handicapped that genuinely believe "taxes are theft."
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-05-27 04:29:38 PM  

Anayalator: White House does not require baseline IQ.

Please read that in a snarky way, and assume I am talking about the one of the last 2 presidents you voted for.


It doesn't take a high IQ to take orders from the US Chamber of Commerce or the Koch Brothers.

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2014-05-27 04:29:50 PM  
Which is yet another reason why executions should be stopped.  We need to join the rest of the civilized world.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-05-27 04:32:37 PM  

Tom_Slick: Which is yet another reason why executions should be stopped.  We need to join the rest of the civilized world.


eh... why would be take a U-Turn now.  By the end of my natural life the U.S. is going to be 3rd world.  We've lost our ability to think critically and to think about the future beyond the next quarter.  We are treating science with suspicion.  We are making our governmental decisions based on what is good for a tiny number of corporate elites.  If you read history, you see societies don't thrive in those conditions.  All the money is spent fighting.
 
2014-05-27 04:33:05 PM  

Tom_Slick: Which is yet another reason why executions should be stopped.  We need to join the rest of the civilized world.


What is uncivilized about killing uncivilized people?
 
2014-05-27 04:33:19 PM  

Walker: What's to stop people from purposely failing the test so they won't be executed?


In sane states getting a commuted sentence on grounds of mental incompetence requires an actual diagnosis from a psychiatrist that's backed up by the state's psychiatrist.  And "sane" is relative here, both Texas' and California's systems rely on basically that.

Florida is know for laws and variations of laws that... aren't that bright, though.  I actually wouldn't doubt that they're actually running a hard cutoff based on an IQ test, where in any other state I'd assume it's more complex and the journalist is just dumb.
 
2014-05-27 04:34:32 PM  

UNC_Samurai: B.L.Z. Bub: Endive Wombat: How about we do away with state sanctioned revenge death altogether?

We have state-sanctioned theft in the name of "social contract", so why not this?

I'm against the application of a completely irreversible punishment, even for the mentally handicapped that genuinely believe "taxes are theft."


All punishments are irreversible, brosef
 
2014-05-27 04:37:23 PM  

B.L.Z. Bub: joseelsegundo: Endive Wombat: How about we do away with state sanctioned revenge death altogether?

Indeed.

"Florida's law contravenes our nation's commitment to dignity and its duty to teach human decency as the mark of a civilized world," Kennedy said.

Yes, let's show our human decency and civilized society by only executing geniuses.

Wait, I thought killing retards was inhumane. You're saying the opposite is inhumane too? So you're just against executing ANYBODY, on principle.


DING! We have a winnar!

Not that some people don't deserve it, but the mark of a decent and civilized society is a society that does not execute anyone. People try to spin it as justice, but it is not justice. It does not deter capital crime. It does not bring back a murder victim. It only satisfies blood lust for revenge.
 
2014-05-27 04:42:41 PM  
Does this man look like he would pass the hard-line score of 70?
www.fanphobia.net
 
2014-05-27 04:43:59 PM  

nmrsnr: For those who DRTFA, the actual opinion is the opposite of Subby's joke. The opinion said that having a "hard line" at 70 IQ points is unconstitutional because Florida ignored the fact that the IQ score is really x ± 5, so when the guy tested at 71, he's within the measurement error of being on the wrong side of the 70 IQ line for execution. So they said that a "hard line" test that didn't consider standard deviation errors was unconstitutional.


It's funny, cause I thought the entire point of juries was to handle exactly that situation. Unless the jury has been effectively neutered and has no real affect on the current justice system.
 
2014-05-27 04:45:09 PM  

joseelsegundo: It only satisfies blood lust for revenge.


Well, typically the  reason for capital punishment is primarily to serve as a deterrent for certain crimes or simply to remove people that cannot be made to interact non-violently with society through some other means.

The largest portion of the law related to it is actually specifically  againstwhat you're claiming it's about, so you're kind of running with baby's first political opinion in terms of understanding the issue here, man.
 
2014-05-27 04:46:18 PM  
Killing retarded murderers is no different than putting down rabid animals.  They are a danger, they are expensive to keep alive.  There is no point in trying to find a "cure" because they will never contribute in a meaningful way.

The "don't kill retards" movement is a wedge issue against capital punishment because if we allow for these sympathetic exceptions then the anti-execution folks just move on to the next set of sympathetic cases.  And I say this as someone who is firmly against capital punishment.

If you saw Ides of March there is a really good argument against capital punishment. 

The concept that "society" collectively needs to behave BETTER than individuals from whom it is made.  So while revenge killing is understandable and rational at the individual level we cannot let our emotions dictate our behavior at the collective level.
 
2014-05-27 04:46:23 PM  
Aren't homicidal retards the only people the state ought to be executing?
 
2014-05-27 04:49:41 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Well, typically the reason for capital punishment is primarily to serve as a deterrent for certain crimes or simply to remove people that cannot be made to interact non-violently with society through some other means.


Which it doesn't do. Deterrence does not work, at all.
 
2014-05-27 04:50:22 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: UNC_Samurai: B.L.Z. Bub: Endive Wombat: How about we do away with state sanctioned revenge death altogether?

We have state-sanctioned theft in the name of "social contract", so why not this?

I'm against the application of a completely irreversible punishment, even for the mentally handicapped that genuinely believe "taxes are theft."

All punishments are irreversible, brosef


You can free an innocent man from jail, and the state can attempt to compensate them for time lost. It's not necessarily fair compensation, but it still reverses the verdict. You can't exactly take back a death sentence once it's handed out.
 
2014-05-27 04:53:23 PM  

joseelsegundo: B.L.Z. Bub: joseelsegundo: Endive Wombat: How about we do away with state sanctioned revenge death altogether?

Indeed.

"Florida's law contravenes our nation's commitment to dignity and its duty to teach human decency as the mark of a civilized world," Kennedy said.

Yes, let's show our human decency and civilized society by only executing geniuses.

Wait, I thought killing retards was inhumane. You're saying the opposite is inhumane too? So you're just against executing ANYBODY, on principle.

DING! We have a winnar!

Not that some people don't deserve it, but the mark of a decent and civilized society is a society that does not execute anyone. People try to spin it as justice, but it is not justice. It does not deter capital crime. It does not bring back a murder victim. It only satisfies blood lust for revenge.


meh.  i oppose the death penalty because i think its imposition is wrought with an unacceptable degree of error.

however, it is justice.   but, i think it's inefficient.

for one, the event of error is irreversible.  while you can't give the improperly convicted back the years in prison, you can at least know that you didn't kill him on the wrong information.

two, it's more expensive.  death penalty convictions are granted automatic appeals, and the convicted our housed under special and more expensive conditions.  often this time will involve a couple decades of legal work paid for by the tax payers.  so, their decades while incarcerated are more expensive, and then you have to be professionals for decades of work.

however, here is my argument in support of the death penalty: it is a valuable bargaining chip to get people to take life in prison deals to turn on co-conspirators.  that decreases court costs and leads to more convictions of wrongdoers.

ultimately, i don't think that makes the case for the death penalty.  i think the fact that it costs so many millions more than life in prison is all that needs to be said.
 
2014-05-27 04:55:14 PM  
so "certain types" will score low on IQ tests so they can get away with murder...
 
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