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2014-05-27 10:38:49 AM
Can't wait to see what the new guy does.

Moffat's writing may have sucked, but I suspect viewership is at an all time high. It is very popular to say you love Doctor Who now, and very unpopular not to. Even amongst kids.

If BBC/Wales tried to pull the plug, I suspect BBC America would start writing the checks without even hesitating.
 
2014-05-27 11:17:40 AM
maybe they can just hire some chimps and type writers.   sure, the banana budget may get out of hand, but the writing would see a marked improvement.
 
2014-05-27 11:38:38 AM

unlikely: Can't wait to see what the new guy does.

Moffat's writing may have sucked, but I suspect viewership is at an all time high. It is very popular to say you love Doctor Who now, and very unpopular not to. Even amongst kids.

If BBC/Wales tried to pull the plug, I suspect BBC America would start writing the checks without even hesitating.


BBC America probably couldn't afford it.
 
2014-05-27 11:53:53 AM
I'm looking forward to the new one. I never really liked Matt smith that much in the role.
 
2014-05-27 11:57:43 AM

unlikely: Moffat's writing may have sucked, but I suspect viewership is at an all time high. It is very popular to say you love Doctor Who now, and very unpopular not to. Even amongst kids.


What an amazing turnaround from my childhood, when being a pot smoking Dr. Who fan such as myself guaranteed you social exile.

Now Dr. Who is cool and popular, and smoking pot is not only socially acceptable but in more and more places, is perfectly legal.

Man, that would make 14 year old Gil's head assplode.
 
2014-05-27 12:15:49 PM
Ah, so now he's trying to retcon himself into being the savior of Doctor Who, eh?

I look forward to Capaldi in the role. But they didn't need a new Doctor just yet, they needed a new show runner.
 
2014-05-27 12:17:24 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Ah, so now he's trying to retcon himself into being the savior of Doctor Who, eh?


He lives in his own fantasy world.

FirstNationalBastard: I look forward to Capaldi in the role. But they didn't need a new Doctor just yet, they needed a new show runner.


A-FARKING-MEN!
 
2014-05-27 12:32:13 PM
Moffatt's era has been just as popular on the whole as Davies'. I recognize that popularity are two different questions, but in this context, it is popularity that is the more relevant consideration.

Tennant's era had some real stinkers, but they were just less noticeable with how goddamn charismatic he was. I think Smith was much less able to save bad episodes by sheer force of personality.
 
2014-05-27 01:22:27 PM
FTFA David owned that role in a spectacular way, gave it an all-new cheeky sexy performance and became a national treasure

Ugh ... David was decent enough in the role.  But "national treasure"?  No.  Not on this planet.  Not on any other.
 
2014-05-27 01:22:43 PM
Tennant is hugely overrated. He was a damned good Doctor, but so were Smith & Eccleston. He's not that much better than either (and I'd argue that his interpretation of the Doctor was far too human). Smith kind of got overshadowed by Amy/River but was fantastic when he was allowed to be the lead of the show ostensibly about his character.
 
2014-05-27 01:28:13 PM

LucklessWonder: Tennant is hugely overrated. He was a damned good Doctor, but so were Smith & Eccleston. He's not that much better than either (and I'd argue that his interpretation of the Doctor was far too human). Smith kind of got overshadowed by Amy/River but was fantastic when he was allowed to be the lead of the show ostensibly about his character.


I only started to like Tennant when I saw him in a couple of non-Doctor roles. Then I rewatched his Doctor episodes and found his "lead-with-his-teeth" method of acting less grating.
 
2014-05-27 01:30:11 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Ah, so now he's trying to retcon himself into being the savior of Doctor Who, eh?
I look forward to Capaldi in the role. But they didn't need a new Doctor just yet, they needed a new show runner.


His lows still aren't nearly as low as Davies' worst episodes... and Moffat's bad episodes/plot threads are generally 75% "oh, cool concept" and 25% "dude, what the hell?"  Just giving him a script editor with balls would do the trick... making sure the entirety of his (and his other writers') scripts are believable within the context of the established universe. Someone to say things like "No, Steven, Rory and Amy wouldn't just take The Doctor's word that their baby would be okay, and move on happily to their next adventure. They would search every corner of the universe to find her, with or without The Doctor's help. I'm going to rewrite that ending so River or The Doctor lies and tells them that their baby didn't live."

Or "Steven... what the hell does this divorce subplot have to do with getting Rory and Amy back onto the TARDIS? The conflict is between their life on Earth and their life with The Doctor, not between each other."

Or "Steven - in fifty years' worth of Dalek stories, nothing has ever been shown to indicate that they would peacefully share orbit above a mystery planet with anyone else. I'm moving their arrival to the climax of the episode." (no rational reason - but that one REALLY bugged me)
 
2014-05-27 01:32:16 PM
Dr Who has the worst writing of almost any show I've ever seen.  In fact it just may be the absolute worst.  It is like the writers literally watched kids playing a game of pretend and took notes.  In 99% of the episodes, the solution to whatever problem exists is "some-bit-of-technomagic-that-the-audience-never-heard-of-before".  It's like watching a show that's generally fairly entertaining until the last 3 minutes, and at that time you see nothing but a full screen shot of a middle finger.
 
2014-05-27 01:32:35 PM
I could never get into "Doctor Who". It's just too cheesy and obvious.

I lump it in with the pile of sci-fi shows that are apparently made to appeal to people that have never read a decent sci-fi novel.
 
2014-05-27 01:34:25 PM
David Tennant was just so awesome

Agreed. I know most other people like Baker, but Tennant is my favorite.
 
2014-05-27 01:37:43 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Dr Who has the worst writing of almost any show I've ever seen.  In fact it just may be the absolute worst.  It is like the writers literally watched kids playing a game of pretend and took notes.  In 99% of the episodes, the solution to whatever problem exists is "some-bit-of-technomagic-that-the-audience-never-heard-of-before".  It's like watching a show that's generally fairly entertaining until the last 3 minutes, and at that time you see nothing but a full screen shot of a middle finger.


I could take your paragraph, replace "Dr Who" with any Trek series, SG1, SG;A, or almost any other genre series, and express the opinions of many other TV fans.

If you don't like something, don't watch it. If you think Doctor Who is stupid, I can only imagine the frothy rage you go into whenever you hear someone talking about any reality series.
 
2014-05-27 01:47:20 PM

realmolo: I could never get into "Doctor Who". It's just too cheesy and obvious.

I lump it in with the pile of sci-fi shows that are apparently made to appeal to people that have never read a decent sci-fi novel.


Stop disliking what lots of other people like
 
2014-05-27 01:55:13 PM

clkeagle: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Dr Who has the worst writing of almost any show I've ever seen.  In fact it just may be the absolute worst.  It is like the writers literally watched kids playing a game of pretend and took notes.  In 99% of the episodes, the solution to whatever problem exists is "some-bit-of-technomagic-that-the-audience-never-heard-of-before".  It's like watching a show that's generally fairly entertaining until the last 3 minutes, and at that time you see nothing but a full screen shot of a middle finger.

I could take your paragraph, replace "Dr Who" with any Trek series, SG1, SG;A, or almost any other genre series, and express the opinions of many other TV fans.

If you don't like something, don't watch it. If you think Doctor Who is stupid, I can only imagine the frothy rage you go into whenever you hear someone talking about any reality series.


You're right, but I never said those shows had good writing.  Trek wasn't as bad because plenty of times they didn't rely on some new bit of physics, but it was rather the captain playing some diplomatic gambit.  SG used physics for a lot of their solutions, but it was usually something that was previously established.  As for reality shows, I'd rather watch squirrels in my back yard, no insult intended to the squirrels.
 
2014-05-27 01:56:32 PM

enry: unlikely: Can't wait to see what the new guy does.

Moffat's writing may have sucked, but I suspect viewership is at an all time high. It is very popular to say you love Doctor Who now, and very unpopular not to. Even amongst kids.

If BBC/Wales tried to pull the plug, I suspect BBC America would start writing the checks without even hesitating.

BBC America probably couldn't afford it.


They could've made a deal with a US network to subsidize the costs and, in exchage, the US network would get the first run rights to Doctor Who with BBC America getting them as reruns.  You tell me if a US network wouldn't mind getting Doctor's Who's demo for their ratings.
 
2014-05-27 01:57:52 PM

realmolo: I could never get into "Doctor Who". It's just too cheesy and obvious.

I lump it in with the pile of sci-fi shows that are apparently made to appeal to people that have never read a decent sci-fi novel.


"Star Wars is adolescent nonsense; Close Encounters is obscurantist drivel; Star Trek can turn your brains to puree of bat guano; and the greatest science fiction series of all time is Doctor Who! And I'll take you all on, one-by-one or all in a bunch to back it up!"

- Harlan Ellison

Expanded version:

"Hating Star Wars and "Star Trek" is not a difficult chore for me. I recoil  from that sophomoric species of creation that excuses its simplisticcliche structure and homage to the transitory (as does does Star Wars)as violently as I do from that which sententiously purports to be deepand intellectual when it is, in fact, superficial self-conscious twaddle(as does "Star Trek"). This not to say that I am an ivory towerintellect whose doubledome can only support Proust or Descartes. When Iwas a little kid, and was reading everything I could lay hands on, Iread the classics with joy, but enjoyed equally those works I've come tothink of as "elegant trash": the Edgar Rice Burroughs novels, TheShadow, Doc Savage, Conan, comic books and Uncle Wiggly. They taught mea great deal of what I know about courage and truth and ethic in theworld.

To that list I add Doctor Who. His adventures are sunk to the  hips in humanisim, decency, solid adventures and simple good reading.They are not classics, make no mistake. They can never touch theilluminative level of Dickens or Mark Twain or Kafka. But they are solidentertainment based on an understanding of Good and Evil in the world.They say to us, "You, too, can be Doctor Who. You, like the Doctor, canstand up for that which is bright and bold and true. You can shape theworld, if you'll only go and try."

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!msg/rec.arts.drwho/KnkRRwZf5 YQ /N6l2CwTGxnUJ
 
2014-05-27 02:03:04 PM

realmolo: I could never get into "Doctor Who". It's just too cheesy and obvious.

I lump it in with the pile of sci-fi shows that are apparently made to appeal to people that have never read a decent sci-fi novel.


The mistake is thinking of Doctor Who as being scifi. It is not. It's fantasy with a pulp-future aesthetic.
 
2014-05-27 02:07:18 PM

enry: BBC America probably couldn't afford it.


Worst case is that they could strand him on Earth again with a broken TARDIS, like they did during the Pertwee era to make it cheaper to produce.
 
2014-05-27 02:13:38 PM
Also, the very worst of the Moffatt era was still better than this:

m0vie.files.wordpress.com

media.tumblr.com

cdn3.whatculture.com

www.doctorwhoreviews.co.uk

At WORST, Moffatt was a bit meh. Even the episode with the little girl singing to the giant space pumpkin was redeemed by a great speech from Smith.
 
2014-05-27 02:27:43 PM
Mad_Radhu:  the episode with the little girl singing to the giant space pumpkin.

THAT is a Great story synopsis. You should have managed to put something in about buying a interplanetary Vespa with a maple leaf, though.
 
2014-05-27 02:35:02 PM
TFA: I think there were plans maybe to consider ending it.

Definitely maybe... a bit... sort of... or not...
 
2014-05-27 02:37:34 PM
Doctor Who has always had weird and stupid episodes and stories mixed in with brilliant stuff. That's pretty much the calling card for the show. EVERY Doctor has bad or silly adventures now and again.
 
2014-05-27 02:40:23 PM
Thanks subby

Some of us agree completely.

Mad_Radhu:

At WORST, Moffatt was a bit meh. Even the episode with the little girl singing to the giant space pumpkin was redeemed by a great speech from Smith.

The Tennant Speeches far surpass anything from Smith. That Smith speech ended almost as soon as it started, and it left me longing for the Tennant days.  His speech would have been drawn out, would have fully explained exactly why he experienced so much pain, etc... and you would have totally believed him to be the broken man speaking.   Smith... wasn't.
 
2014-05-27 03:34:21 PM
I love David in the part but not a national treasure. The man who made me fall in love with the doctor was chris.i first saw chris in the drama he did with kate winslet and that made me notice when I read he had a new show.matt just makes grin like a kid...im excited for the new episodesm
 
2014-05-27 03:39:09 PM

LucklessWonder: Smith kind of got overshadowed by Amy/River


It was literally a show not about Doctor Who, but about Amelia Pond.

"When I was a little girl, I had an imaginary friend, and when I grew up, he came back. He's called the Doctor. He comes from somewhere else. He's got a box called the TARDIS that's bigger on the inside and can travel anywhere in time and space. I ran away with him. And we've been running ever since."
 
2014-05-27 03:40:18 PM
Doctor Who is a series of shows with some brilliant episodes sprinkled from beginning to end. Some of them get clumped together... I call these AwesomeClumps... and they may be awesome for differing reasons. 1) The actor currently in the title role 2) The FX guys found a new dumpster that year 3) Some excellent scripts accidentally slipped through the vetting process 4) Peri Cleavage.
 
2014-05-27 03:44:00 PM
David Tennant was just so awesome

Was that a one off? Because in the other things I've seen him in, a few Englishy-movies and sadly what appeared to be an 8 bit version of the Broadchurch pilot, and that quiz show, he's never had the same presence as when he was the Doctor.
 
2014-05-27 03:44:25 PM

RoyBatty: "When I was a little girl, I had an imaginary friend, and when I grew up, he came back. He's called the Doctor. He comes from somewhere else. He's got a box called the TARDIS that's bigger on the inside and can travel anywhere in time and space. I ran away with him. And we've been running ever since."


Some one has been watching the BBC America version I see.
 
2014-05-27 03:46:33 PM

Angela Lansbury's Merkin: RoyBatty: "When I was a little girl, I had an imaginary friend, and when I grew up, he came back. He's called the Doctor. He comes from somewhere else. He's got a box called the TARDIS that's bigger on the inside and can travel anywhere in time and space. I ran away with him. And we've been running ever since."

Some one has been watching the BBC America version I see.


Yes, how was it different in the authentic version?
 
2014-05-27 03:49:54 PM

RoyBatty: Angela Lansbury's Merkin: RoyBatty: "When I was a little girl, I had an imaginary friend, and when I grew up, he came back. He's called the Doctor. He comes from somewhere else. He's got a box called the TARDIS that's bigger on the inside and can travel anywhere in time and space. I ran away with him. And we've been running ever since."

Some one has been watching the BBC America version I see.

Yes, how was it different in the authentic version?


Even Smith's regeneration episode made clear the show revolved around Amy Pond.

I have no idea who Clara Oswald is, she's the bland girl who kept dying and for naught, when Smith exits, his goodbye is to Amy. The Amy Pond show.
 
2014-05-27 03:53:53 PM

RoyBatty: Angela Lansbury's Merkin: RoyBatty: "When I was a little girl, I had an imaginary friend, and when I grew up, he came back. He's called the Doctor. He comes from somewhere else. He's got a box called the TARDIS that's bigger on the inside and can travel anywhere in time and space. I ran away with him. And we've been running ever since."

Some one has been watching the BBC America version I see.

Yes, how was it different in the authentic version?


The official BBC versions of the episodes, which are available on DVD and for streaming, did not include that fetid piece of excrement at the beginning of the show. That was an American exclusive! (Well, the Aussies got it too, for some reason)
 
2014-05-27 04:07:39 PM

Rwa2play: enry: unlikely: Can't wait to see what the new guy does.

Moffat's writing may have sucked, but I suspect viewership is at an all time high. It is very popular to say you love Doctor Who now, and very unpopular not to. Even amongst kids.

If BBC/Wales tried to pull the plug, I suspect BBC America would start writing the checks without even hesitating.

BBC America probably couldn't afford it.

They could've made a deal with a US network to subsidize the costs and, in exchage, the US network would get the first run rights to Doctor Who with BBC America getting them as reruns.  You tell me if a US network wouldn't mind getting Doctor's Who's demo for their ratings.


At one point, I believe SyFy (when it was still The SciFi Channel) was considering ponying up for it, but apparently it didn't do as well in the ratings as BSG.  And they were probably balking at paying for a show
that Universal didn't have rights to, not to mention being myopic cheapskates who hate fans of science
fiction.
 
2014-05-27 04:15:49 PM

enry: unlikely: Can't wait to see what the new guy does.

Moffat's writing may have sucked, but I suspect viewership is at an all time high. It is very popular to say you love Doctor Who now, and very unpopular not to. Even amongst kids.

If BBC/Wales tried to pull the plug, I suspect BBC America would start writing the checks without even hesitating.

BBC America probably couldn't afford it.


meh I think Licence Fee programs and basic cable program budgets are par for the course.
 
2014-05-27 04:20:47 PM

FirstNationalBastard: RoyBatty: Angela Lansbury's Merkin: RoyBatty: "When I was a little girl, I had an imaginary friend, and when I grew up, he came back. He's called the Doctor. He comes from somewhere else. He's got a box called the TARDIS that's bigger on the inside and can travel anywhere in time and space. I ran away with him. And we've been running ever since."

Some one has been watching the BBC America version I see.

Yes, how was it different in the authentic version?

The official BBC versions of the episodes, which are available on DVD and for streaming, did not include that fetid piece of excrement at the beginning of the show. That was an American exclusive! (Well, the Aussies got it too, for some reason)


Seriously, who were the Ad Wizards who thought up that one?  The show was already appealing the US audience, why make an intro to appeal the US audience?
 
2014-05-27 04:26:55 PM

Optimal_Illusion: FirstNationalBastard: RoyBatty: Angela Lansbury's Merkin: RoyBatty: "When I was a little girl, I had an imaginary friend, and when I grew up, he came back. He's called the Doctor. He comes from somewhere else. He's got a box called the TARDIS that's bigger on the inside and can travel anywhere in time and space. I ran away with him. And we've been running ever since."

Some one has been watching the BBC America version I see.

Yes, how was it different in the authentic version?

The official BBC versions of the episodes, which are available on DVD and for streaming, did not include that fetid piece of excrement at the beginning of the show. That was an American exclusive! (Well, the Aussies got it too, for some reason)

Seriously, who were the Ad Wizards who thought up that one?  The show was already appealing the US audience, why make an intro to appeal the US audience?


If you recall, season 6 was the beginning of the big BBCA Doctor Who ad blitz. They were pushing for more mainstream exposure in the US, especially since the first episode of the season was set in the US. So, I'm betting some genius must have decided that they had to make it The Amy Pond Show for the poor dumb Americans who were tuning in for the first time because of the media blitz to understand what was going on.

...because we don't have wikipedia, or the internet, so we can quickly google "Doctor Who" to get a quick synopsis.
 
2014-05-27 05:49:00 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Optimal_Illusion: FirstNationalBastard: RoyBatty: Angela Lansbury's Merkin: RoyBatty: "When I was a little girl, I had an imaginary friend, and when I grew up, he came back. He's called the Doctor. He comes from somewhere else. He's got a box called the TARDIS that's bigger on the inside and can travel anywhere in time and space. I ran away with him. And we've been running ever since."

Some one has been watching the BBC America version I see.

Yes, how was it different in the authentic version?

The official BBC versions of the episodes, which are available on DVD and for streaming, did not include that fetid piece of excrement at the beginning of the show. That was an American exclusive! (Well, the Aussies got it too, for some reason)

Seriously, who were the Ad Wizards who thought up that one?  The show was already appealing the US audience, why make an intro to appeal the US audience?

If you recall, season 6 was the beginning of the big BBCA Doctor Who ad blitz. They were pushing for more mainstream exposure in the US, especially since the first episode of the season was set in the US. So, I'm betting some genius must have decided that they had to make it The Amy Pond Show for the poor dumb Americans who were tuning in for the first time because of the media blitz to understand what was going on.

...because we don't have wikipedia, or the internet, so we can quickly google "Doctor Who" to get a quick synopsis.


From what I remember, part of what was driving the focus on the (largely female) companions was the rising
popularity of SF/Fantasy among women, driven by the popularity of TWILIGHT of all things.  The thinking was
probably something like giving girls a figure to identify with in the same way that boys identified with The Doctor.

That, I think, is the motivator for the fact that every single female companion (with the exception of Donna, anyway)
falls madly and hopelessly in love with the Doctor.  That, and the over use of the trope of the companion being
the Most Especialist Girl In The Whole Universe (I like to shorten this to MEGITWU) who has some sort of special
destiny or power or effect that can match or even exceed the Doctor's powers (and Donna fell right into that trap with
the whole DoctorDonna thing).  Clara falls right into that stereotype, though I'm really hoping that with the casting
of Capaldi as an older, wiser Doctor they will get back to having less sexual tension since I am very much in favor of
the old rule of "No Fornication in the TARDIS" that was scrupulously followed in the show's first run.
 
2014-05-27 05:51:23 PM

Angela Lansbury's Merkin: RoyBatty: "When I was a little girl, I had an imaginary friend, and when I grew up, he came back. He's called the Doctor. He comes from somewhere else. He's got a box called the TARDIS that's bigger on the inside and can travel anywhere in time and space. I ran away with him. And we've been running ever since."

Some one has been watching the BBC America version I see.


The PBS affiliates must have also gotten the BBC America version. Don't have cable, so didn't see those episodes until PBS got them, and that intro was there.
 
2014-05-27 06:02:35 PM

albert71292: Angela Lansbury's Merkin: RoyBatty: "When I was a little girl, I had an imaginary friend, and when I grew up, he came back. He's called the Doctor. He comes from somewhere else. He's got a box called the TARDIS that's bigger on the inside and can travel anywhere in time and space. I ran away with him. And we've been running ever since."

Some one has been watching the BBC America version I see.

The PBS affiliates must have also gotten the BBC America version. Don't have cable, so didn't see those episodes until PBS got them, and that intro was there.


It's kind of hit or miss on what version you'll get. Netflix has the intros, for example, while Amazon Prime does not (Amazon Prime also has all of season 7 minus Day of the Doctor, while Netflix still nobly has the first half).
 
2014-05-27 06:03:12 PM

Mad_Radhu: Netflix still ONLY has the first half

 
2014-05-27 06:08:53 PM
For some reason, I liked the episodes that featured Rory.
 
2014-05-27 06:09:21 PM

RoyBatty: Yes, how was it different in the authentic version?


It doesn't have the Amy Pond intro.  That was something BBC America did because they thought American's couldn't handle the idea of a time traveling alien, and needed Amy as a bridge.  Other than that, the other differences are the US versions often have a couple minutes snipped out of them to make room for advertisements.  Depends on the episode how important the snipped bits are to the plot and flow of the show.
 
2014-05-27 06:11:36 PM

clkeagle: His lows still aren't nearly as low as Davies' worst episodes... and Moffat's bad episodes/plot threads are generally 75% "oh, cool concept" and 25% "dude, what the hell?"


I kind of take the opposite tact: yes, the lows in RTD were pretty awful, but it was offset by some pretty awesome moments that deepened the backstory of the Doctor, sometimes in the same episode.  For Moffat's run, it's been mostly meh, with only the Van Gogh episode and the TARDIS episode being the only highlights.  Everything else has ranged from "well that wasn't a COMPLETE waste of time" to "he wanted me to believe what?"

From RTD, take Love and Monsters.  Yes, it's a bad joke at the end, and sort of a slapstick episode, but the moment when Elton realizes where he had seen the Doctor before, and that it was during one of the Doctor's many unseen failures, well, that's a great moment.
 
2014-05-27 06:22:20 PM

Angela Lansbury's Merkin: RoyBatty: Yes, how was it different in the authentic version?

It doesn't have the Amy Pond intro.  That was something BBC America did because they thought American's couldn't handle the idea of a time traveling alien, and needed Amy as a bridge.  Other than that, the other differences are the US versions often have a couple minutes snipped out of them to make room for advertisements.  Depends on the episode how important the snipped bits are to the plot and flow of the show.


I'd like to see some of the pieces that were cut out.
 
2014-05-27 07:02:24 PM

RoyBatty: .

I'd like to see some of the pieces that were cut out.


Check out some of the Fark Dr Who episode discussion threads.  There tended to be whining about BBC America when any important bits were cut out.
 
2014-05-27 07:36:28 PM

DjangoStonereaver: I am very much in favor of
the old rule of "No Fornication in the TARDIS" that was scrupulously followed in the show's first run.


A lot of people trot out the, "But he's not a  monk," argument to claim that fornication should happen in the TARDIS. The point I'd like to bring up is that the Doctor is over a thousand years old and wields incomprehensible powers.  That is not a healthy power dynamic in a sexual relationship. There is no way in which the Doctor getting intimate with a companion couldn't be viewed as  taking advantage of that companion. There are exceptions- Romana was much younger, but at least a  peer within their society. Captain Jack was from the future, and could time travel on his own, putting him on more equal footing. River was partially Time Lord and experienced a few regenerations, and has her own kinds of power.

The rest of the companions have been  touched by power- Bad Wolf, Doctor Donna, The Crack, and Clara in the Doctor's timeline. They have even wielded that power  with intent to drive their own ends- but it was always  borrowed power, and in the end, the power leaves them and they're normal mortals. None of them could have a relationship with the Doctor that is based on being  equals. It's essentially an abusive relationship out of the gate, no matter how nice the Doctor tries to be (and he's terribly bad about respecting his companions limitations).
 
2014-05-27 07:51:48 PM
Angela Lansbury's Merkin:  It doesn't have the Amy Pond intro.  That was something BBC America did because they thought American's couldn't handle the idea of a time traveling alien, and needed Amy as a bridge.  Other than that, the other differences are the US versions often have a couple minutes snipped out of them to make room for advertisements.  Depends on the episode how important the snipped bits are to the plot and flow of the show.

The narrative between the cold open and main title theme was devised by BBC Worldwide for copies airing in North America and Australia. This was used only for Season 6. Some home media versions also included the narrative, including Netflix. I don't there's been any definitive word on why, but it's possibly a set-up for new viewers as the show's popularity grew in the U.S.

BBC America does trim to fit block time with advertising, particularly with 50-60 minute episodes. An example of this is in "The Eleventh Hour" during Amy's first encounter with the Doctor. Many of Matt Smith spit-takes were cut. In the third act of the episode, shots of the Doctor running back to the TARDIS are also missing. This isn't a concern in the U.K., as BBC One is supported by television licenses and runs commercial-free programming. Not much we can do about it since U.S. networks, save for subscription channels like HBO, don't produce a lot of fill content and can't pad 15-20 minutes very well.
 
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