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2014-05-27 10:08:06 AM  
It's never too early to over-react and think society wants to take your guns.
 
2014-05-27 10:32:03 AM  

Generation_D: It's never too early to over-react and think society wants to take your guns.


Well, it *IS* California, which is "A" rated by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Ownership, and besides which, didn't he kill half his victims with a knife?
 
2014-05-27 10:38:45 AM  
All I know is, another self-absorbed asshat got easy access to guns, the kind of access no other mainstream Western society would have allowed him to have.
 
2014-05-27 10:43:12 AM  
OK, I know this was planed probably weeks ago, but surely they had time to stop it.
 
2014-05-27 10:43:18 AM  
This is no problem that easing access to firearms can't solve.
 
2014-05-27 11:06:02 AM  

dittybopper: Generation_D: It's never too early to over-react and think society wants to take your guns.

Well, it *IS* California, which is "A" rated by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Ownership, and besides which, didn't he kill half his victims with a knife?


1) Murder is acceptable (or at least less objectionable) when committed with an implement other than a firearm; that is why firearm prohibition advocacy groups attempt to reduce overall "gun deaths" (which includes suicides) rather than overall murders.

2) The gun regulations of California are still hampered by the idiotic and outdated notion that laws must not violate the United States Constitution.
 
2014-05-27 11:08:02 AM  
I too am in favor of shooting people who robocall you.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-05-27 11:20:03 AM  

dittybopper: Generation_D: It's never too early to over-react and think society wants to take your guns.

Well, it *IS* California, which is "A" rated by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Ownership, and besides which, didn't he kill half his victims with a knife?


Oh, then it's OK then.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-05-27 11:29:02 AM  
Dimensio:

1) Murder is acceptable (or at least less objectionable) when committed with an implement other than a firearm; that is why firearm prohibition advocacy groups attempt to reduce overall "gun deaths" (which includes suicides) rather than overall murders.

2) The gun regulations of California are still hampered by the idiotic and outdated notion that laws must not violate the United States Constitution.


Well, that's the fantasy of the gun nuts.

Obviously decreasing overall murders requires dealing with guns and guns have a stronger lobby than knives or other weapons.  Not to mention that knives are necessary for day to day life and cock extensions for men with manhood issues aren't.
 
2014-05-27 11:36:06 AM  
Stopping a robocall is as simple as calling the vendor and saying "stop the call." It's not like they're run by Skynet.

I suspect it was more a combination of "Well, the vendor is still going to charge us" and "Fark it. It we're going, we're going big."
 
2014-05-27 11:36:31 AM  

vpb: Dimensio:

1) Murder is acceptable (or at least less objectionable) when committed with an implement other than a firearm; that is why firearm prohibition advocacy groups attempt to reduce overall "gun deaths" (which includes suicides) rather than overall murders.

2) The gun regulations of California are still hampered by the idiotic and outdated notion that laws must not violate the United States Constitution.

Well, that's the fantasy of the gun nuts.

Obviously decreasing overall murders requires dealing with guns and guns have a stronger lobby than knives or other weapons.  Not to mention that knives are necessary for day to day life and cock extensions for men with manhood issues aren't.


"Cock extensions" are of absolutely no relevance to the current discussion. I believe that you may be attempting to inappropriately insert your own sexual fetishes into this forum.
 
2014-05-27 11:58:43 AM  

vpb: Dimensio:

1) Murder is acceptable (or at least less objectionable) when committed with an implement other than a firearm; that is why firearm prohibition advocacy groups attempt to reduce overall "gun deaths" (which includes suicides) rather than overall murders.

2) The gun regulations of California are still hampered by the idiotic and outdated notion that laws must not violate the United States Constitution.

Well, that's the fantasy of the gun nuts.

Obviously decreasing overall murders requires dealing with guns and guns have a stronger lobby than knives or other weapons.  Not to mention that knives are necessary for day to day life and cock extensions for men with manhood issues aren't.


*TWEEEEEET*

Markley's Law violation.  Fifteen yard penalty and loss of argument.
 
2014-05-27 12:08:11 PM  

Dimensio: dittybopper: Generation_D: It's never too early to over-react and think society wants to take your guns.

Well, it *IS* California, which is "A" rated by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Ownership, and besides which, didn't he kill half his victims with a knife?

1) Murder is acceptable (or at least less objectionable) when committed with an implement other than a firearm; that is why firearm prohibition advocacy groups attempt to reduce overall "gun deaths" (which includes suicides) rather than overall murders.

That's a false straw-man argument (in the purest form)

2) The gun regulations of California are still hampered by the idiotic and outdated notion that laws must not violate the United States Constitution.


You have no effective gun control in the US including California.
 
2014-05-27 12:09:27 PM  

dittybopper: Generation_D: It's never too early to over-react and think society wants to take your guns.

Well, it *IS* California, which is "A" rated by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Ownership, and besides which, didn't he kill half his victims with a knife?


16 people were shot, 3 fatally.  That 3 were roommates were killed in some other way, is meaningless.
 
2014-05-27 12:23:02 PM  
2011 Murders by weapons:

Guns: 8,583
Knives/edged weapons: 1,694
Blunt Objects: 496
Hands/feet: 728
Arson 75
Other 1,088

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004888.html
 
2014-05-27 12:28:33 PM  

mrshowrules: Arson 75


That's a really low number; I guess most arsonists are careful enough to ensure the structure is unoccupied before calling Mr. Sparky to the scene.
 
2014-05-27 12:58:50 PM  
You know how you can take a picture of a face and crease out the middle portion so that the face looks all funny?

a3.img.talkingpointsmemo.com

Yeah.
 
2014-05-27 01:00:03 PM  

mrshowrules: 2011 Murders by weapons:

Guns: 8,583
Knives/edged weapons: 1,694
Blunt Objects: 496
Hands/feet: 728
Arson 75
Other 1,088


I'm hoping "Other" includes "rabid weasel on a stick".

If not, I think I've found an item for my bucket list.
 
2014-05-27 01:00:12 PM  

mrshowrules: 2011 Murders by weapons:

Guns: 8,583
Knives/edged weapons: 1,694
Blunt Objects: 496
Hands/feet: 728
Arson 75
Other 1,088

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004888.html


Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49- si nce-1993-peak-public-unaware/
 
2014-05-27 01:06:22 PM  

dittybopper: mrshowrules: 2011 Murders by weapons:

Guns: 8,583
Knives/edged weapons: 1,694
Blunt Objects: 496
Hands/feet: 728
Arson 75
Other 1,088

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004888.html

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49- si nce-1993-peak-public-unaware/


and?
 
2014-05-27 01:08:08 PM  
Some would say "too late" -- to arm the bystanders.
 
2014-05-27 01:11:51 PM  
gun control should be handled like abortion clinics.

1) Make outrageous demands on the establishment that in no way enhance the safety of buying a gun.
2) Make the signed approval of a parent or guardian required before any purchase of guns
3) Limit the number of establishments allowed to operate
4) Require classes that demonstrate what a gun used effectively will do to the human body
5) Require a CAT scan before the purchase of a gun (administered rectally).
 
2014-05-27 01:12:33 PM  

Dimensio: vpb: Dimensio:

1) Murder is acceptable (or at least less objectionable) when committed with an implement other than a firearm; that is why firearm prohibition advocacy groups attempt to reduce overall "gun deaths" (which includes suicides) rather than overall murders.

2) The gun regulations of California are still hampered by the idiotic and outdated notion that laws must not violate the United States Constitution.

Well, that's the fantasy of the gun nuts.

Obviously decreasing overall murders requires dealing with guns and guns have a stronger lobby than knives or other weapons.  Not to mention that knives are necessary for day to day life and cock extensions for men with manhood issues aren't.

"Cock extensions" are of absolutely no relevance to the current discussion. I believe that you may be attempting to inappropriately insert your own sexual fetishes into this forum.


I'm pretty sure that for the shooting in question, his firearms were quite literally cock extensions allowing him to penetrate women who otherwise would not consent.
 
2014-05-27 01:13:32 PM  

Generation_D: All I know is, another self-absorbed asshat got easy access to guns, the kind of access no other mainstream Western failed socialist society would have allowed him to have.


Sorry, pet peeve.
 
2014-05-27 01:14:26 PM  

dittybopper: Markley's Law violation. Fifteen yard penalty and loss of argument.


D'awwww, someone doesn't like the psychosexual connotations of brandishing firearms. Why don't you pump your shotgun and ejaculate a mass of projectiles to embed themselves in my soft, warm flesh? i'm sure that'll solve all problems.
 
MFK
2014-05-27 01:14:58 PM  

dittybopper: mrshowrules: 2011 Murders by weapons:

Guns: 8,583
Knives/edged weapons: 1,694
Blunt Objects: 496
Hands/feet: 728
Arson 75
Other 1,088

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004888.html

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49- si nce-1993-peak-public-unaware/


I'm sure that the thousands of families who lose people to gun homicides every year are just thrilled when you point out that stat to them.
 
2014-05-27 01:16:54 PM  

dittybopper: mrshowrules: 2011 Murders by weapons:

Guns: 8,583
Knives/edged weapons: 1,694
Blunt Objects: 496
Hands/feet: 728
Arson 75
Other 1,088

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004888.html

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49- si nce-1993-peak-public-unaware/


I wonder what happened in 1993...
 
2014-05-27 01:17:55 PM  

Lord_Baull: gun control should be handled like abortion clinics.


www.mindhuestudio.com
 
MFK
2014-05-27 01:17:55 PM  

max_pooper: dittybopper: mrshowrules: 2011 Murders by weapons:

Guns: 8,583
Knives/edged weapons: 1,694
Blunt Objects: 496
Hands/feet: 728
Arson 75
Other 1,088

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004888.html

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49- si nce-1993-peak-public-unaware/

I wonder what happened in 1993...


no idea....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_Handgun_Violence_Prevention_Act
 
2014-05-27 01:18:57 PM  

dittybopper: mrshowrules: 2011 Murders by weapons:

Guns: 8,583
Knives/edged weapons: 1,694
Blunt Objects: 496
Hands/feet: 728
Arson 75
Other 1,088

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004888.html

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49- si nce-1993-peak-public-unaware/



I'm sure the parents of Sandy Hook are relieved to hear it.
 
2014-05-27 01:19:18 PM  
www.the-nextlevel.com

Oooooooh Guns, Guns, Guns!
 
2014-05-27 01:19:25 PM  

dittybopper: Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware


So the gun laws are working then.  Cool.
 
2014-05-27 01:19:27 PM  

factoryconnection: mrshowrules: Arson 75

That's a really low number; I guess most arsonists are careful enough to ensure the structure is unoccupied before calling Mr. Sparky to the scene.


It may be counting the fire fighters who died while putting out the arson-caused blazes.
 
2014-05-27 01:20:25 PM  

theorellior: Lord_Baull: gun control should be handled like abortion clinics.

[www.mindhuestudio.com image 600x337]



Yes, thank you!
 
2014-05-27 01:21:01 PM  
CA is one of the only states that does actively remove guns from felons and people with psychological disorders. Somehow this kid slipped by the authorities despite his parents reporting his behavior to the sheriffs office. Sad.
 
2014-05-27 01:21:57 PM  
I don't like carrying or owning a murder tool. It's just kinda skeevy to me. In my day-to-day life, I have no need or desire to snuff human life. However, that doesn't mean I don't realize that at certain times such a tool is necessary. At that point in time, I would hope that I would employ my murder tool with appropriate caution and without fetishizing the tool or the situation that lead to its use. Anything else is just creepy.
 
2014-05-27 01:24:24 PM  
 
2014-05-27 01:24:37 PM  
i512.photobucket.com
 
2014-05-27 01:24:39 PM  
dittybopper Well, it *IS* California, which is "A" rated by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Ownership, and besides which, didn't he kill half his victims with a knife?

Pretty much all of Santa Barbara County is a "Gun Free Zone", shooter didn't get that memo, I guess-but Ban Knives?  http://www.vcstar.com/news/2012/may/25/suspect-in-faria-beach-killing s -pleads-not-to/
 
2014-05-27 01:25:13 PM  

Lord_Baull: gun control should be handled like abortion clinics.

1) Make outrageous demands on the establishment that in no way enhance the safety of buying a gun.
2) Make the signed approval of a parent or guardian required before any purchase of guns
3) Limit the number of establishments allowed to operate
4) Require classes that demonstrate what a gun used effectively will do to the human body
5) Require a CAT scan before the purchase of a gun (administered rectally).


Or you know, effectively ban them in many areas. 

MFK: max_pooper: dittybopper: mrshowrules: 2011 Murders by weapons:

Guns: 8,583
Knives/edged weapons: 1,694
Blunt Objects: 496
Hands/feet: 728
Arson 75
Other 1,088

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004888.html

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49- si nce-1993-peak-public-unaware/

I wonder what happened in 1993...

no idea....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_Handgun_Violence_Prevention_Act



You could lay some of that on the feet of Roe v Wade also (more abortions = less scumbags).
 
2014-05-27 01:26:20 PM  

AndreMA: Some would say "too late" -- to arm the bystanders.


Some would assume that those bystanders would have
1) purchased firearms if given the chance
2) carried those firearms with them
3) been able to stop the murderer
 
2014-05-27 01:26:47 PM  

dittybopper: mrshowrules: 2011 Murders by weapons:

Guns: 8,583
Knives/edged weapons: 1,694
Blunt Objects: 496
Hands/feet: 728
Arson 75
Other 1,088

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004888.html

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49- si nce-1993-peak-public-unaware/


All violent crimes are down.
 
2014-05-27 01:26:55 PM  
Dimensio:

2) The gun regulations of California are still hampered by the idiotic and outdated notion that laws must not violate the United States Constitution.

Right, like that Amendment that reads: "All citizens shall have completely unregulated access to firearms at all times."  You know, that one that never once mentions regulations or "regulated"  or "well-regulated" or any gibberish like that.
 
2014-05-27 01:28:22 PM  

4.bp.blogspot.com

 
2014-05-27 01:28:36 PM  

factoryconnection: mrshowrules: Arson 75

That's a really low number; I guess most arsonists are careful enough to ensure the structure is unoccupied before calling Mr. Sparky to the scene.


Murders and deaths are 2 different things too. It's probably very difficult to prove murder by fire in most cases.
 
2014-05-27 01:29:04 PM  

Dimensio: The gun regulations of California are still hampered by the idiotic and outdated notion that laws must not violate the United States Constitution.


On the other hand, we could simply pay attention to the actual text of the Second Amendment, which clearly provides that states are empowered to regulate arms.

dittybopper: Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware


The overall violent crime rate in the United States decreased 68% between 1981 and 2009, from 5230 incidents per 100,000 people to 1690 per 100,000. Sounds to me like incidents of gun violence are decreasing at a lesser rate than violent crime in general.
 
2014-05-27 01:31:15 PM  
i think they should restrict/ban BMWs.
 
2014-05-27 01:31:50 PM  
a3.img.talkingpointsmemo.com

I think we may have found the most punchable face in the history of ever.
 
2014-05-27 01:33:13 PM  

Arkanaut: AndreMA: Some would say "too late" -- to arm the bystanders.

Some would assume that those bystanders would have
1) purchased firearms if given the chance
2) carried those firearms with them
3) been able to stop the murderer


Oh, and 4) not shot any other innocent bystanders, and
5) not get mistaken as the murder and get shot themselves.
 
2014-05-27 01:33:14 PM  

Dimensio: that is why firearm prohibition advocacy groups attempt to reduce overall "gun deaths" (which includes suicides) rather than overall murders.


Because it's the most effective way to lower overall numbers.  Guns have a combination of ease of use and deadliness that far surpasses anything else.  Sure people are killed with knifes, but you don't have innocent bystanders sleeping in their beds getting killed in drive by knifeings or toddlers killing themselves with knives.  Sure people will try to do suicide by pills, but it's not nearly as lethal as guns.  Sure people will try to build bombs, but they're incredibly hard to do right.  Columbine guys failed at it, Norway guy got a much higher death count with his gun, this UCSB guy got a higher death count with his knife than Olympic guy did with his bomb, even in the Middle East, a lot of bombs the terrorists make have a limited casualty count compared to many of the historical mass shootings.
 
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