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2014-05-27 12:48:25 PM
Not drinking soda at all does even more
 
2014-05-27 01:35:54 PM
Calories burned > Calories ingested also helps.
 
2014-05-27 01:36:53 PM

Aarontology: Not drinking soda at all does even more


This.

I still want a soda everyonce in a while.  The trick is not getting more food because "I got a diet soda".  Same applies to "I got water, I can afford to get the King Sized Fry".

CSB:Many years ago, back in college, I saw a very large man come in from riding his snowmobile, into the BK I was working at at the time, and order 2 double whoppers with cheese and bacon, extra mayo, king sized fry, and... a diet coke.  I only remember because I had to make it and was highly amused.
 
2014-05-27 01:37:24 PM
We dont put as many icky chemicals in the diet stuff, we swear!
 
2014-05-27 01:39:17 PM
What I've heard is that even though artificial sweeteners are 0 calories, the body stills treats them like sugar, and just converts it to fat at the same rate as it does to a sugared beverage.

/don't care. Still drink a two-liter of soda per day.
 
2014-05-27 01:40:29 PM
I'll have a double big mac with extra sauce, large fries, and a diet coke.
 
2014-05-27 01:42:31 PM
Cancerous cells are lighter than fat cells.
 
2014-05-27 01:49:34 PM

bigblackhawk: What I've heard is that even though artificial sweeteners are 0 calories, the body stills treats them like sugar, and just converts it to fat at the same rate as it does to a sugared beverage.

/don't care. Still drink a two-liter of soda per day.


Uh, it can't

Sucralose is noncaloric.

Saccharin isn't metabolized for energy either

Same with Aspartame.
 
2014-05-27 01:51:44 PM
But it wasn't the American Diet Beverage Association, so it's totally legit!
 
2014-05-27 01:52:53 PM

bigblackhawk: What I've heard is that even though artificial sweeteners are 0 calories, the body stills treats them like sugar, and just converts it to fat at the same rate as it does to a sugared beverage.


No. The theory is that your body senses a sweet substance, and secretes insulin in response whether or not you actually consume any sugar. The insulin response does two things. First it starts sequestering blood actual blood sugar, either as sugar to burn or as fat.  Second it prevents you from using fat as a energy source. Tamping down your insulin responce is more or less how low carbohydrate and low GI diets function. Ultimately though, the reaction from diet sodas is more or less a pavlovian response, some people react, some people don't.
 
2014-05-27 01:55:33 PM

bigblackhawk: What I've heard is that even though artificial sweeteners are 0 calories, the body stills treats them like sugar, and just converts it to fat at the same rate as it does to a sugared beverage.

/don't care. Still drink a two-liter of soda per day.


That's only certain ones.  Mainly the ones made from modified sugar.  Those are just a run around testing procedures.

Things like aspartame don't do that and won't give you cancer if you don't drink them all day everyday.  Even then it probably won't. People don't trust it because of Puritan ideals.  Some things are pleasurable with no measurable down side.

No it doesn't make you 'crave' sweet things any more than your fat ass already did.  Any science that uses the word 'crave' should be taken with a grain of sodium chloride.
 
2014-05-27 02:04:41 PM
I lost plenty of weight switching to diet-soda.  Not once did I ever think "oh, I'm drinking diet, so I can splurge else where."  I had to cut sugar out of my diet as I found out I was diabetic.

Now I can have a diet soda and salad and splurge on cake.
 
2014-05-27 02:09:07 PM

bigblackhawk: What I've heard is that even though artificial sweeteners are 0 calories, the body stills treats them like sugar, and just converts it to fat at the same rate as it does to a sugared beverage.

/don't care. Still drink a two-liter of soda per day.


Not exactly. They have zero calories, so there's nothing for your body to turn into fat. Animal models suggest that ingesting artificial sweeteners may stimulate food cravings, making you hungrier, and thus defeating the purpose of drinking the diet pop in the first place. These results have not yet been conclusively duplicated in humans, however it seems likely that, at least with some sugar substitutes.

Best Princess Celestia: Cancerous cells are lighter than fat cells.


FYI the link between cancer and saccharine was debunked decades ago. Turns out that 1) feeding rats artificially high doses of saccharine does not accurately reflect real-world consumption and risk; 2) Shockingly, rats have some metabolic differences to humans.

Same applies to aspartame: If you consume normal amounts it's safe. If you decide to drink 45 cans of diet coke per day you can expect (and likely deserve) some problems.
 
2014-05-27 02:14:53 PM

nitefallz: I lost plenty of weight switching to diet-soda.  Not once did I ever think "oh, I'm drinking diet, so I can splurge else where."  I had to cut sugar out of my diet as I found out I was diabetic.

Now I can have a diet soda and salad and splurge on cake.


I don't eat cake that's been splurged on.
 
2014-05-27 02:22:02 PM

Space Station Wagon: I don't eat cake that's been splurged on.


Sometimes frosting is just frosting.

/ and sometimes... ewww!
 
2014-05-27 02:43:17 PM

Winterlight: Space Station Wagon: I don't eat cake that's been splurged on.

Sometimes frosting is just frosting.

/ and sometimes... ewww!


Great. Now I want cake.

/without frosting
//or splurge
 
2014-05-27 02:52:38 PM

tinderboxer: bigblackhawk: What I've heard is that even though artificial sweeteners are 0 calories, the body stills treats them like sugar, and just converts it to fat at the same rate as it does to a sugared beverage.

No. The theory is that your body senses a sweet substance, and secretes insulin in response whether or not you actually consume any sugar. The insulin response does two things. First it starts sequestering blood actual blood sugar, either as sugar to burn or as fat.  Second it prevents you from using fat as a energy source. Tamping down your insulin responce is more or less how low carbohydrate and low GI diets function. Ultimately though, the reaction from diet sodas is more or less a pavlovian response, some people react, some people don't.


Citation, please.

I don't think insulin response has anything to do with your taste buds. It's mainly, albeit not completely, about blood sugar (which diet sodas don't affect).

Beta cells in the islets of Langerhans release insulin in two phases. The first phase release is rapidly triggered in response to increased blood glucose levels. The second phase is a sustained, slow release of newly formed vesicles triggered independently of sugar.
 
2014-05-27 03:00:41 PM

Tyrosine: Not exactly. They have zero calories, so there's nothing for your body to turn into fat. Animal models suggest that ingesting artificial sweeteners may stimulate food cravings, making you hungrier, and thus defeating the purpose of drinking the diet pop in the first place. These results have not yet been conclusively duplicated in humans, however it seems likely that, at least with some sugar substitutes.


Jokes on them - I am always hungry.

At least now I work from home, so people have stopped judging me for having my second breakfast at work, lunch, afternoon tide-me-over, and my snack drawer.
 
2014-05-27 03:04:00 PM

draypresct: Citation, please.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1986614/

http://ajpgi.physiology.org/content/296/4/G735


Keep in mind these are animal studies and metabolic differences exist even between closely related species so you can't assume human response will be identical to that of rats.
 
2014-05-27 03:17:48 PM
I like diet coke, not because it's a weight loss mechanism, but because it mixes well with Jim Beam, George Dickle and other cheap whiskeys. Sometimes it's not a matter of weight loss, but taste.
 
2014-05-27 03:20:59 PM

Tyrosine: draypresct: Citation, please.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1986614/

http://ajpgi.physiology.org/content/296/4/G735


Keep in mind these are animal studies and metabolic differences exist even between closely related species so you can't assume human response will be identical to that of rats.


Thanks for the links . . . hope you don't mind explaining a bit further.

The first link (Hyeung-Jin et al.) was a study of rats given glucose (not a sweet substance that mimics glucose). My impression was that they were testing when during the process of digestion the glucose caused a response (including insulin). The title and discussion imply that this primary spot is in the intestine, not the taste buds. What am I missing?

The second study states explicitly:
We conclude that sucralose, delivered by intragastric infusion, does not stimulate insulin, GLP-1, or GIP release or slow gastric emptying in healthy humans.

How do either of these support  tinderboxer's statement that the body produces insulin in response to a sweet taste?

Or were you providing citations supporting my impression that there is no connection?
 
2014-05-27 03:26:17 PM

draypresct: Tyrosine: draypresct: Citation, please.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1986614/

http://ajpgi.physiology.org/content/296/4/G735


Keep in mind these are animal studies and metabolic differences exist even between closely related species so you can't assume human response will be identical to that of rats.

Thanks for the links . . . hope you don't mind explaining a bit further.

The first link (Hyeung-Jin et al.) was a study of rats given glucose (not a sweet substance that mimics glucose). My impression was that they were testing when during the process of digestion the glucose caused a response (including insulin). The title and discussion imply that this primary spot is in the intestine, not the taste buds. What am I missing?

The second study states explicitly:
We conclude that sucralose, delivered by intragastric infusion, does not stimulate insulin, GLP-1, or GIP release or slow gastric emptying in healthy humans.

How do either of these support  tinderboxer's statement that the body produces insulin in response to a sweet taste?

Or were you providing citations supporting my impression that there is no connection?


Check back in a few hours and I fill in some details when I get home from work.
 
2014-05-27 03:34:03 PM

bigblackhawk: What I've heard is that even though artificial sweeteners are 0 calories, the body stills treats them like sugar, and just converts it to fat at the same rate as it does to a sugared beverage.

/don't care. Still drink a two-liter of soda per day.


Artificial sweetners help me control my hunger.

Saccharine and aspartame cause excruciating headaches that make me want to hide in a dark room and that precludes eating.

Sucralose leaves such a nasty taste in my mouth nothing tastes right and I don't want to eat.  I've heard people say 'Oh, you'll get used to the taste.'.  Yeah, and you can also "get used" to being anally raped with a wire brush, but I don't *want* to.
 
2014-05-27 03:34:07 PM

Tyrosine: Check back in a few hours and I fill in some details when I get home from work.


Will do - I've got the alert app on my phone.

Thanks!
 
2014-05-27 03:35:20 PM

draypresct: tinderboxer: bigblackhawk: What I've heard is that even though artificial sweeteners are 0 calories, the body stills treats them like sugar, and just converts it to fat at the same rate as it does to a sugared beverage.

No. The theory is that your body senses a sweet substance, and secretes insulin in response whether or not you actually consume any sugar. The insulin response does two things. First it starts sequestering blood actual blood sugar, either as sugar to burn or as fat.  Second it prevents you from using fat as a energy source. Tamping down your insulin responce is more or less how low carbohydrate and low GI diets function. Ultimately though, the reaction from diet sodas is more or less a pavlovian response, some people react, some people don't.

Citation, please.

I don't think insulin response has anything to do with your taste buds. It's mainly, albeit not completely, about blood sugar (which diet sodas don't affect).

Beta cells in the islets of Langerhans release insulin in two phases. The first phase release is rapidly triggered in response to increased blood glucose levels. The second phase is a sustained, slow release of newly formed vesicles triggered independently of sugar.


Your body can start making hormonal responses while the food is still in your mouth.  Sugars start breaking down from your saliva, so one theory is artificial sweeteners can trigger insulin responses even before it gets to your gut or bloodstream.

Most likely not enough studies and of course different people react differently, but this is a pretty good read and touches on the above subjects:  http://www.marksdailyapple.com/diet-soda-healthy
 
2014-05-27 04:00:20 PM

Winterlight: Space Station Wagon: I don't eat cake that's been splurged on.

Sometimes frosting is just frosting.

/ and sometimes... ewww!


Dankeschön
 
2014-05-27 04:01:56 PM

draypresct: tinderboxer: bigblackhawk: What I've heard is that even though artificial sweeteners are 0 calories, the body stills treats them like sugar, and just converts it to fat at the same rate as it does to a sugared beverage.

No. The theory is that your body senses a sweet substance, and secretes insulin in response whether or not you actually consume any sugar. The insulin response does two things. First it starts sequestering blood actual blood sugar, either as sugar to burn or as fat.  Second it prevents you from using fat as a energy source. Tamping down your insulin responce is more or less how low carbohydrate and low GI diets function. Ultimately though, the reaction from diet sodas is more or less a pavlovian response, some people react, some people don't.

Citation, please.

I don't think insulin response has anything to do with your taste buds. It's mainly, albeit not completely, about blood sugar (which diet sodas don't affect).

Beta cells in the islets of Langerhans release insulin in two phases. The first phase release is rapidly triggered in response to increased blood glucose levels. The second phase is a sustained, slow release of newly formed vesicles triggered independently of sugar.


Can't cite from my phone, but I think it was in a Taubes book I read about a rat study where the rats had glucose solution squirted into their stomachs when eating bitter foods and developed an insulin response to bitterness.
 
2014-05-27 04:52:49 PM

LucklessWonder: Calories burned > Calories ingested also helps.


Look, dumbass, your body is made up of all these metabolic passageways that are magic therefore I can eat a lot of food and it's not my fault.
 
2014-05-27 05:04:05 PM
I switched to diet soda and lost weight and more or less kept it off (I got laid up and put about half back on which I am trying to take off again). I was drinking around 3 or 4 a day, I drank diet instead but didn't change the amount of food I ate. Weight dropped off. I agree that it's not the diet soda that took the weight off, it was the reduced calories but that would have been much harder without diet soda to replace my soda intake.
 
2014-05-27 06:38:34 PM
diet soda is even worse for your metabolism than regular soda is.  Not to mention both are bad for your teeth, stomach, digestive tract, etc..

Pepsi and Coke neither one are getting any more money from me
 
2014-05-27 06:48:08 PM

meat0918: bigblackhawk: What I've heard is that even though artificial sweeteners are 0 calories, the body stills treats them like sugar, and just converts it to fat at the same rate as it does to a sugared beverage.

/don't care. Still drink a two-liter of soda per day.

Uh, it can't

Sucralose is noncaloric.

Saccharin isn't metabolized for energy either

Same with Aspartame.


Artificial sweeteners still trigger the body's insulin response as soon as you ingest them.

tasting something sweet makes the body go SUGAR!!!!

Now you have insulin coursing through your body with no sugar to process.
 
2014-05-27 06:57:42 PM

Thingster: meat0918: bigblackhawk: What I've heard is that even though artificial sweeteners are 0 calories, the body stills treats them like sugar, and just converts it to fat at the same rate as it does to a sugared beverage.

/don't care. Still drink a two-liter of soda per day.

Uh, it can't

Sucralose is noncaloric.

Saccharin isn't metabolized for energy either

Same with Aspartame.

Artificial sweeteners still trigger the body's insulin response as soon as you ingest them.

tasting something sweet makes the body go SUGAR!!!!

Now you have insulin coursing through your body with no sugar to process.


Ok, but it still doesn't convert the artificial sweeteners to fat.
 
kth
2014-05-27 08:26:49 PM
I severely curtailed my diet soda habit a few weeks ago. As long as I keep a steady stream of iced tea, I'm doing okay.
 
2014-05-27 08:30:22 PM
I used to drink 1 diet soda a day.  I didn't drink diet so I could splurge on food or to lose weight, I just liked the taste (and caffeine).  I quit drinking any soda a couple months ago and have yet to see any difference in my diet, weight, or cravings.  Perhaps I have to keep waiting?  It doesn't really matter anyway.  I quit drinking it because of the chemicals.  The funny thing is I don't miss it at all.
 
2014-05-27 08:40:15 PM

meat0918: Aarontology: Not drinking soda at all does even more

This.

I still want a soda everyonce in a while.  The trick is not getting more food because "I got a diet soda".  Same applies to "I got water, I can afford to get the King Sized Fry".

CSB:Many years ago, back in college, I saw a very large man come in from riding his snowmobile, into the BK I was working at at the time, and order 2 double whoppers with cheese and bacon, extra mayo, king sized fry, and... a diet coke.  I only remember because I had to make it and was highly amused.


Doesn't the diet coke cancel out the burgers and fries?
 
2014-05-27 09:10:41 PM
I cut out all soda when I was losing the weight. Switched to diet soda for a couple of weeks, then to iced tea, then straight-up water.

/Also beer. Water and beer
//Bonus: No more sugar-spikes/crashes in the middle of the day
 
2014-05-27 10:46:39 PM

kg2095: meat0918: Aarontology: Not drinking soda at all does even more

This.

I still want a soda everyonce in a while.  The trick is not getting more food because "I got a diet soda".  Same applies to "I got water, I can afford to get the King Sized Fry".

CSB:Many years ago, back in college, I saw a very large man come in from riding his snowmobile, into the BK I was working at at the time, and order 2 double whoppers with cheese and bacon, extra mayo, king sized fry, and... a diet coke.  I only remember because I had to make it and was highly amused.

Doesn't the diet coke cancel out the burgers and fries?


It's all very complex and involves lots of math, but yes. Yes it does.


/math is hard
 
2014-05-28 12:18:01 AM

meat0918: Aarontology: Not drinking soda at all does even more

This.

I still want a soda everyonce in a while.  The trick is not getting more food because "I got a diet soda".  Same applies to "I got water, I can afford to get the King Sized Fry".

CSB:Many years ago, back in college, I saw a very large man come in from riding his snowmobile, into the BK I was working at at the time, and order 2 double whoppers with cheese and bacon, extra mayo, king sized fry, and... a diet coke.  I only remember because I had to make it and was highly amused.


Whole foods sells stevia sweetens soft drinks. Way fewer calories, literally no sugar or HFCS, and an awesome taste. It's how I weened myself off of sodas outright. They're a little pricier but totally worth it.
 
2014-05-28 08:00:50 AM

kg2095: Doesn't the diet coke cancel out the burgers and fries?


Well it sure as hell doesn't add to it.  Why anyone drinks anything that has calories that is not on an all liquid diet is beyond me.  They are wasted empty calories.  Sure let's drink away an entire meals worth of calories.
 
2014-05-28 09:47:47 AM

chrylis: Can't cite from my phone, but I think it was in a Taubes book I read about a rat study where the rats had glucose solution squirted into their stomachs when eating bitter foods and developed an insulin response to bitterness.


FYI: Tyrosine's second link was to a study that showed that people do not have an insulin response to sugar substitutes. His/her first link was to a study on rats that showed that they do not have an insulin response until the sugar hits their intestine, not their taste buds.

I'm not saying that's definitive, but I haven't seen anything personally that contradicts my gut feeling that insulin response has very little to do with your taste buds.
 
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