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(International Business Times)   Apple users targeted by hackers, ransomware that takes their phones and computer hostage, are no longer able to flood online technical forums with smug 'Shoulda bought a Mac' advice   (ibtimes.co.in) divider line 50
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2014-05-27 10:50:49 AM  
If you've managed all your content with the combination of iCloud and iTunes, this is not nearly as killer as having the same thing happen to your laptop. Annoying as hell, yes; devastating, not really.

...unless your iTunes is their path to getting to you... hmm...
 
2014-05-27 11:27:55 AM  

unlikely: If you've managed all your content with the combination of iCloud and iTunes, this is not nearly as killer as having the same thing happen to your laptop. Annoying as hell, yes; devastating, not really.

...unless your iTunes is their path to getting to you... hmm...


A Wired writer had his iCloud account hacked last year. The hacker wiped his Macbook and deleted all of his photos of his newborn kid which weren't recoverable.

It can be pretty killer.
 
2014-05-27 11:28:25 AM  
Step 1: Get user name and password from ebay hack
Step 2: write a script to run through iCloud, find working accounts, lock phone, and change password to random string
Step 3: Profit
 
2014-05-27 11:53:10 AM  

RexTalionis: unlikely: If you've managed all your content with the combination of iCloud and iTunes, this is not nearly as killer as having the same thing happen to your laptop. Annoying as hell, yes; devastating, not really.

...unless your iTunes is their path to getting to you... hmm...

A Wired writer had his iCloud account hacked last year. The hacker wiped his Macbook and deleted all of his photos of his newborn kid which weren't recoverable.

It can be pretty killer.


Ouch. That sucks.

But it kind of goes to my point... if the iCloud and iTunes are safe, you're ok; the article is about the device itself getting hacked, not the cloud or the itunes.
I'd agree 100%, if you lose those, you're hosed.
 
2014-05-27 11:55:16 AM  

unlikely: But it kind of goes to my point... if the iCloud and iTunes are safe, you're ok; the article is about the device itself getting hacked, not the cloud or the itunes.
I'd agree 100%, if you lose those, you're hosed.


But this hack was an iCloud hack. Find My Device and Lock My Device are iCloud functionalities.
 
2014-05-27 12:16:43 PM  
but but but .. apple products are hacker proof and virus proof .. how could this be possible in my walled garden world of rainbows and unicorn farts ?
 
2014-05-27 12:25:07 PM  
img3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-05-27 12:29:46 PM  
If this ransom is to a certain account, wouldn't that be very traceable?
 
2014-05-27 12:33:36 PM  

mjbok: If this ransom is to a certain account, wouldn't that be very traceable?


Not when you demand MoneyPak or a cryptocurrency like Bitcoins as your ransom.
 
2014-05-27 12:35:05 PM  
Step 1:  Sell a product only tech-dopes buy with one button and a screen you can mash clumsily at.
Step 2:  Market product as "hip" and competition as nerdy/too complicated/unreliable.
Step 3:  Establish brand that uses "Genius Bar" to  fix cool-out your iTech
Step 4:  PROFIT
 
2014-05-27 12:38:38 PM  

kicksmile: Step 1:  Sell a product only tech-dopes buy with one button and a screen you can mash clumsily at.
Step 2:  Market product as "hip" and competition as nerdy/too complicated/unreliable.
Step 3:  Establish brand that uses "Genius Bar" to  fix cool-out your iTech
Step 4:  PROFIT


I think you forgot Step 3.5: Every so often, for no good reason at all, modify the new version of your product so you can resell all the same accessories.
 
2014-05-27 12:41:22 PM  
My phone and data back up to Google, but I also back up the files/photos to my own server.

If somebody did get hold of my phone and wanted to delete the second backup they probably could but finding out my phone does this and erasing the data wouldn't be obvious. By then I would have presumably prevented outside SSH login to that server.
 
2014-05-27 12:45:20 PM  
*shrugs* burn your shiat to a local read-only disc copy, diversify with some online backup

it's not that hard
 
2014-05-27 12:51:58 PM  

GoodyearPimp: kicksmile: Step 1:  Sell a product only tech-dopes buy with one button and a screen you can mash clumsily at.
Step 2:  Market product as "hip" and competition as nerdy/too complicated/unreliable.
Step 3:  Establish brand that uses "Genius Bar" to  fix cool-out your iTech
Step 4:  PROFIT

I think you forgot Step 3.5: Every so often, for no good reason at all, modify the new version of your product so you can resell all the same accessories.


My friends with iPhones love their iPhones until the new ones come out, and they've
1)invested in Apps they don't want to lose
2) the battery on their iPhone isn't as robust as it used to be, and replacing the battery costs half the price of a new re-up with AT&T / Verizon to get a new iPhone with a fresh battery.

That said, I'm considering getting a new phone on my new re-up that's not a Samsung, and it has a locked in battery. I'm getting ready to experience that for myself.

Now, if you have an App on your iPhone that makes you want to sing "Gigantic" then by all means, keep your damn phone.
 
2014-05-27 12:54:42 PM  

AdamK: *shrugs* burn your shiat to a local read-only disc copy, diversify with some online backup

it's not that hard


THIS

If it's really important it really needs multiple backup copies.
 
2014-05-27 12:55:15 PM  

zedster: Step 1: Get user name and password from ebay hack
Step 2: write a script to run through iCloud, find working accounts, lock phone, and change password to random string
Step 3: Profit


ecx.images-amazon.com
People REALLY need to start using KeePass.

/Random password generation ensures unique password across sites.
 
2014-05-27 12:56:55 PM  
I have a MacBook Pro that gets backed up about once a week. Recovering a wiped/crashed hard drive is stupid easy with Time Machine. Same if you have an iPhone. Back it up regular to iTunes, and you should not have an issue.
If you don't back up any device, then you're just stupid.
 
2014-05-27 01:01:20 PM  

SVenus: GoodyearPimp: kicksmile: Step 1:  Sell a product only tech-dopes buy with one button and a screen you can mash clumsily at.
Step 2:  Market product as "hip" and competition as nerdy/too complicated/unreliable.
Step 3:  Establish brand that uses "Genius Bar" to  fix cool-out your iTech
Step 4:  PROFIT

I think you forgot Step 3.5: Every so often, for no good reason at all, modify the new version of your product so you can resell all the same accessories.


My friends with iPhones love their iPhones until the new ones come out, and they've
1)invested in Apps they don't want to lose
2) the battery on their iPhone isn't as robust as it used to be, and replacing the battery costs half the price of a new re-up with AT&T / Verizon to get a new iPhone with a fresh battery.


1)Apps will transfer over to their new iPhones.
2)replacing the battery costs half the price of a new re-up with AT&T. Not so much
 
2014-05-27 01:04:20 PM  

RexTalionis: unlikely: If you've managed all your content with the combination of iCloud and iTunes, this is not nearly as killer as having the same thing happen to your laptop. Annoying as hell, yes; devastating, not really.

...unless your iTunes is their path to getting to you... hmm...

A Wired writer had his iCloud account hacked last year. The hacker wiped his Macbook and deleted all of his photos of his newborn kid which weren't recoverable.

It can be pretty killer.


He had his accounts socially engineered, which prompted a methodology change from Apple with regards to how they handle those matters.
 
2014-05-27 01:12:16 PM  

RexTalionis: unlikely: But it kind of goes to my point... if the iCloud and iTunes are safe, you're ok; the article is about the device itself getting hacked, not the cloud or the itunes.
I'd agree 100%, if you lose those, you're hosed.

But this hack was an iCloud hack. Find My Device and Lock My Device are iCloud functionalities.


I don't see anything in TFA that says it was an iCloud hack, but I'm at day 4 caffeine free and fully acknowledge my reading comprehension may not be at its peak.  What am I missing?
 
2014-05-27 01:14:18 PM  
I live on a planet with no viruses or bacteria! I am superior to those that live on germ world.
 
2014-05-27 01:26:12 PM  
You know what we call it when Windows users get hacked like this? Well, today we would call it Tuesday. Tomorrow we would call it Wednesday.
 
2014-05-27 01:48:46 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: 1)Apps will transfer over to their new iPhones.
2)replacing the battery costs half the price of a new re-up with AT&T. Not so much


1) Apple users don't want to leave the Apple sphere and the apps they left behind.
1a) I have helped at least five folks I know peel off the songs they bought through iTunes

2) Holy crap was I ever wrong. Standing corrected.
 
2014-05-27 01:53:35 PM  
Yeah subby, 'cause iPhones are Macs, huh?
 
2014-05-27 02:07:08 PM  

unlikely: RexTalionis: unlikely: But it kind of goes to my point... if the iCloud and iTunes are safe, you're ok; the article is about the device itself getting hacked, not the cloud or the itunes.
I'd agree 100%, if you lose those, you're hosed.

But this hack was an iCloud hack. Find My Device and Lock My Device are iCloud functionalities.

I don't see anything in TFA that says it was an iCloud hack, but I'm at day 4 caffeine free and fully acknowledge my reading comprehension may not be at its peak.  What am I missing?


They logged into their iCloud Accounts, locked the devices from the iCloud's dashboard and locked the owners out.
 
2014-05-27 02:18:25 PM  
Apples are great for people who don't understand computers.
 
2014-05-27 02:31:40 PM  

TwilightZone: Apples are great for people who don't understand computers.


How so? I use both, and I don't find one easier or more difficult then the other.
Or are you just talking out your ass?
 
2014-05-27 02:35:22 PM  

TwilightZone: Apples are great for people who don't understand computers.


They're also great for people who do understand computers.

That's what makes them so great!
 
2014-05-27 02:44:27 PM  

TwilightZone: Apples are great for people who don't understand computers.


I don't limit myself to one OS. I have a macbook pro that cost roughly the same as a PC laptop with the same specs (do a little research and you will discover that the cost is not spread nearly as far as it used to be). It dual boots OSX and Windows 7. The desktop I built dual boots Windows 7 and Linux (currently trying out ubuntu until I get bored with it).

As someone who does understand computers each OS has its own strengths and weaknesses.
 
2014-05-27 02:50:17 PM  
Working with clients who are employed by Apple. The smugness is huge. Thankfully I do own several Apple products in which to throttle their faces should the smugness become overwhelming.

/I keed
//Need the business
 
2014-05-27 02:55:34 PM  

netringer: Yeah subby, 'cause iPhones are Macs, huh?


iOS is based on Darwin, just like OS X. iOS also uses Foundation and Core Foundation, just like OS X. iOS uses Cocoa Touch instead of Cocoa for the UI. Basically, yeah, iPhones are Macs.
 
2014-05-27 03:05:22 PM  

Demogorgon: TwilightZone: Apples are great for people who don't understand computers.

They're also great for people who do understand computers.

That's what makes them so great!


Not really.  The people who do understand computers don't want to be limited.  For example, you can't upload arbitrary files through a web form.  Something so basic, but it can't do it.  The people who say they understand computers and still choose those products simply are forced to compromise - I wouldn't say it's "great".  "Acceptable" at best, and terribly restrictive at worst.
 
2014-05-27 03:16:58 PM  

bingethinker: You know what we call it when Windows users get hacked like this? Well, today we would call it Tuesday. Tomorrow we would call it Wednesday.


Really? Isn't this an iOS issue, not a MacOS issue?  Multiple iPhone users got screwed by this.  Not Windows phone users.  You can retort with "what Windows phone users", which of course is comparable to the number of MacOS users.
 
2014-05-27 03:24:51 PM  

bingethinker: You know what we call it when Windows users get hacked like this? Well, today we would call it Tuesday. Tomorrow we would call it Wednesday.


And you know what we call every posts you do in every Apple or other computer thread.?

Stupid, moronic and flaming fanboyism whiny rant with no intelligence.
 
2014-05-27 03:42:12 PM  

imfallen_angel: bingethinker: You know what we call it when Windows users get hacked like this? Well, today we would call it Tuesday. Tomorrow we would call it Wednesday.

And you know what we call every posts you do in every Apple or other computer thread.?

Stupid, moronic and flaming fanboyism whiny rant with no intelligence.


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2014-05-27 05:00:47 PM  

SleepingEye: Demogorgon: TwilightZone: Apples are great for people who don't understand computers.

They're also great for people who do understand computers.

That's what makes them so great!

Not really.  The people who do understand computers don't want to be limited.  For example, you can't upload arbitrary files through a web form.  Something so basic, but it can't do it.  The people who say they understand computers and still choose those products simply are forced to compromise - I wouldn't say it's "great".  "Acceptable" at best, and terribly restrictive at worst.


At the same time, I've never really had a real life situation where I needed to upload a file through a web form that wasn't one of the supported types (like a photo).

The trick to making something like a smartphone easy to use to knowing what geeky stuff to leave out to to hide from the user. If you throw in the kitchen skin, it becomes a scary mess. Just look at how poorly Windows Mobile was received, despite being offering all kinds of power to the user.
 
2014-05-27 06:31:49 PM  
I love my MacBook---it's the seventh Apple computer I've had since 1998---and I prefer iPhones to any other phone I've tried.  I've had three iPhones so far.  Current phone is a Google phone, though---a hand-me-down from my husband---but it's annoying as shiat to use and I'm looking forward to getting another iPhone when the opportunity arises.

That said, I don't use iCloud, and stopped using iTunes when I got my newest phone.  All my data are backed up onto a RAID automatically twice a day.  All my work data are on servers at school.  Anyone could take my computer and I'd be perfectly fine.  In fact, I'm looking for an excuse to get a lighter weight MacBook.  A MacBook Air, perhaps?

/suck it, haters
 
2014-05-27 06:33:46 PM  

unlikely: RexTalionis: unlikely: But it kind of goes to my point... if the iCloud and iTunes are safe, you're ok; the article is about the device itself getting hacked, not the cloud or the itunes.
I'd agree 100%, if you lose those, you're hosed.

But this hack was an iCloud hack. Find My Device and Lock My Device are iCloud functionalities.

I don't see anything in TFA that says it was an iCloud hack, but I'm at day 4 caffeine free and fully acknowledge my reading comprehension may not be at its peak.  What am I missing?


Just don't go cold turkey. I've done it and it was almost painful.
 
2014-05-27 06:34:17 PM  

SVenus: 2) the battery on their iPhone isn't as robust as it used to be, and replacing the battery costs half the price of a new re-up with AT&T / Verizon to get a new iPhone with a fresh battery.


Are you sure you aren't making up this bit here?  In my experience, iPhone batteries are great.  Any non-iPhone I've tried can barely go a day of use before needing to be recharged.
 
2014-05-27 07:02:13 PM  

FizixJunkee: SVenus: 2) the battery on their iPhone isn't as robust as it used to be, and replacing the battery costs half the price of a new re-up with AT&T / Verizon to get a new iPhone with a fresh battery.

Are you sure you aren't making up this bit here?  In my experience, iPhone batteries are great.  Any non-iPhone I've tried can barely go a day of use before needing to be recharged.


Some people think everyone will believe them if it is writing. Some idiot over at Ars Technica tried to convince everyone his iPhone 5 battery died overnight despite going to bed with a full charge.
 
2014-05-27 07:14:23 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: TwilightZone: Apples are great for people who don't understand computers.

How so? I use both, and I don't find one easier or more difficult then the other.
Or are you just talking out your ass?


I meant exactly what I said:  People who don't understand computers have an easier time with Apples.  I find that the OS and general architecture has been designed to be useable by the lowest common denomintator as was the Steves'  original intent.

Just because you use both doesn't really mean you understand either.  Most people can drive cars but haven't a clue as to how they actuallly work or more importantly how to fix the most basic of problems.

 My ass had nothing to do with it.  What crawled up yours and died?
 
2014-05-27 07:17:58 PM  

Demogorgon: TwilightZone: Apples are great for people who don't understand computers.

They're also great for people who do understand computers.

That's what makes them so great!


You sound like an average user.  Whatever floats your boat.
 
2014-05-27 07:32:07 PM  
You all may have overlooked the most disturbing thing.  All that Apple Smugness is now turning into frustration and anger, and that was a lot of smugness to begin with.
 
2014-05-27 07:37:09 PM  

chozo13: TwilightZone: Apples are great for people who don't understand computers.

I don't limit myself to one OS. I have a macbook pro that cost roughly the same as a PC laptop with the same specs (do a little research and you will discover that the cost is not spread nearly as far as it used to be). It dual boots OSX and Windows 7. The desktop I built dual boots Windows 7 and Linux (currently trying out ubuntu until I get bored with it).

As someone who does understand computers each OS has its own strengths and weaknesses.


Glad to hear you're not limiting yourself.   Of course, I was talking about Apple computers as a whole,  which includes the operating system  as opposed to just operating systems.  And it had nothing to do with comparative strengths and weaknesss.  Ever try to take an Apple apart and modify or repair?   Ever tweak the OS?  The reason that Apple products have not been the target of hackers until now is not because the OS is any more secure; it isn't.  It's because the market share of Apple computers has been too small to make it worthwhile.  I sure we'll see a lot more of it in coming days.
 
2014-05-27 07:39:14 PM  

SleepingEye: Demogorgon: TwilightZone: Apples are great for people who don't understand computers.

They're also great for people who do understand computers.

That's what makes them so great!

Not really.  The people who do understand computers don't want to be limited.  For example, you can't upload arbitrary files through a web form.  Something so basic, but it can't do it.  The people who say they understand computers and still choose those products simply are forced to compromise - I wouldn't say it's "great".  "Acceptable" at best, and terribly restrictive at worst.


This.  Among other things.
 
2014-05-27 08:16:18 PM  

Russ1642: Just don't go cold turkey. I've done it and it was almost painful.


a) Did.
b) "almost" painful. Yeah. "Almost."
 
2014-05-27 08:53:14 PM  

FizixJunkee: I love my MacBook---it's the seventh Apple computer I've had since 1998---and I prefer iPhones to any other phone I've tried.  I've had three iPhones so far.  Current phone is a Google phone, though---a hand-me-down from my husband---but it's annoying as shiat to use and I'm looking forward to getting another iPhone when the opportunity arises.

That said, I don't use iCloud, and stopped using iTunes when I got my newest phone.  All my data are backed up onto a RAID automatically twice a day.  All my work data are on servers at school.  Anyone could take my computer and I'd be perfectly fine.  In fact, I'm looking for an excuse to get a lighter weight MacBook.  A MacBook Air, perhaps?

/suck it, haters


I had an iPhone once. It was my first smart phone and I loved it. But when it came time to upgrade I chose HTC for the bigger screen size and now have a Samsung Note for its even bigger screen size.

I use my phone as an ebook reader so the size of the screen is important. It's the biggest reason I wont go back to the iPhone.
 
2014-05-28 12:20:35 AM  

RexTalionis: unlikely: But it kind of goes to my point... if the iCloud and iTunes are safe, you're ok; the article is about the device itself getting hacked, not the cloud or the itunes.
I'd agree 100%, if you lose those, you're hosed.

But this hack was an iCloud hack. Find My Device and Lock My Device are iCloud functionalities.


Was it a technical hack or a social engineering iCloud customer service hack?
 
2014-05-28 12:25:54 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: TwilightZone: Apples are great for people who don't understand computers.

How so? I use both, and I don't find one easier or more difficult then the other.
Or are you just talking out your ass?


You just agreed Apple machines aren't computers. Thank you. That's all we needed.
 
2014-05-28 08:05:08 PM  

RexTalionis: unlikely: If you've managed all your content with the combination of iCloud and iTunes, this is not nearly as killer as having the same thing happen to your laptop. Annoying as hell, yes; devastating, not really.

...unless your iTunes is their path to getting to you... hmm...

A Wired writer had his iCloud account hacked last year. The hacker wiped his Macbook and deleted all of his photos of his newborn kid which weren't recoverable.

It can be pretty killer.


RexTalionis: unlikely: If you've managed all your content with the combination of iCloud and iTunes, this is not nearly as killer as having the same thing happen to your laptop. Annoying as hell, yes; devastating, not really.

...unless your iTunes is their path to getting to you... hmm...

A Wired writer had his iCloud account hacked last year. The hacker wiped his Macbook and deleted all of his photos of his newborn kid which weren't recoverable.

It can be pretty killer.


Digital photos are disposable.
 
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