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(Chicago Sun-Times)   Rahm Emanuel's bold strategy to keep Chicago safe from gun violence: limit the location of gun stores and require owners to videotape every single sale   (politics.suntimes.com ) divider line
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2014-05-27 07:35:14 AM  
... aaand I think I just heard Wayne LaPierre's head explode several states away.
 
2014-05-27 07:52:37 AM  
Ah yes, a bold move. Take that NRA!!! Those gangbangers with criminal records prohibiting them from purchasing guns at a gun store will be deterred from their nefarious plans to purchase guns illegally.
 
2014-05-27 07:53:15 AM  

That Guy What Stole the Bacon: ... aaand I think I just heard Wayne LaPierre's head explode several states away.


???
 
2014-05-27 08:00:49 AM  
If I owned a gun store, a good surveillance system would be one of thr first things I got for it.
 
2014-05-27 08:04:51 AM  

smells_like_meat: That Guy What Stole the Bacon: ... aaand I think I just heard Wayne LaPierre's head explode several states away.

???


In other words, I do not expect the CEO of the NRA to be particularly thrilled with this.
 
2014-05-27 08:34:26 AM  
Because none of the guns come from Indiana or Wisconsin, where it's 100x easier to get a gun than an abortion.
 
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2014-05-27 08:53:29 AM  

That Guy What Stole the Bacon: ... aaand I think I just heard Wayne LaPierre's head explode several states away.


It would be a good thing if that actually happened.
 
2014-05-27 09:01:14 AM  

Aarontology: If I owned a gun store, a good surveillance system would be one of thr first things I got for it.


You sound a lot more responsible than some people.
 
2014-05-27 09:06:33 AM  

gnosis301: Aarontology: If I owned a gun store, a good surveillance system would be one of thr first things I got for it.

You sound a lot more responsible than some people.


I don't know of any that don't have a surveillance system. I'm sure they exist, but I don't know of any.
 
2014-05-27 09:39:24 AM  
I'm pretty darn liberal, but the answer isn't this. They need to address the gangbanger situation. Some old fashioned cops on the street, public involvement, keep kids in school type efforts.
 
2014-05-27 09:41:56 AM  

EatenTheSun: gnosis301: Aarontology: If I owned a gun store, a good surveillance system would be one of thr first things I got for it.

You sound a lot more responsible than some people.

I don't know of any that don't have a surveillance system. I'm sure they exist, but I don't know of any.


Yeah when this guy walks in you want a video record of it.

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2014-05-27 09:49:26 AM  
I would not oppose a recording requirement on sales on principle, but I suspect that the city will intentionally impose extremely onerous and unnecessary requirements regarding those recordings in a deliberate effort to make lawful sales all but impossible.

I also do not understand the benefit of limiting firearm seller locations.
 
2014-05-27 09:49:56 AM  

Dinki: I'm pretty darn liberal, but the answer isn't this. They need to address the gangbanger situation. Some old fashioned cops on the street, public involvement, keep kids in school type efforts.


Yeah, this isn't going to keep guns out of the hands of gang members.  I'm fairly liberal myself and would love to see less gun violence nationwide but I don't see how this is going to have any effect whatsoever.
 
2014-05-27 09:54:15 AM  

nekom: Dinki: I'm pretty darn liberal, but the answer isn't this. They need to address the gangbanger situation. Some old fashioned cops on the street, public involvement, keep kids in school type efforts.

Yeah, this isn't going to keep guns out of the hands of gang members.  I'm fairly liberal myself and would love to see less gun violence nationwide but I don't see how this is going to have any effect whatsoever.


Sounds like he's going to pattern it after the Pennsylvania Liquor stores.
And we all know how much that cuts down on DUIs in PA.
 
2014-05-27 09:55:09 AM  
So the Republicans against this idea are Soft on Crime who want their daughters and wifes raped at gun point by some low life scum gangbangers...
 
2014-05-27 09:55:43 AM  
Don't we already do this with beef jerky?
 
2014-05-27 09:57:00 AM  
Wow!  Good to see Rahm has solved that pesky gang-banger problem in Chicago!

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2014-05-27 09:57:10 AM  
Meh.  Indiana is only a few miles away.
 
2014-05-27 09:57:59 AM  
So, we are all on board video-taping every sale at an adult store and requiring those videos be given to the government because we want to make sure sex offenders aren't visiting porno stores?

This is just a way to intimidate gun stores and buyers into staying out of Chicago.
 
2014-05-27 09:58:10 AM  

nekom: Dinki: I'm pretty darn liberal, but the answer isn't this. They need to address the gangbanger situation. Some old fashioned cops on the street, public involvement, keep kids in school type efforts.

Yeah, this isn't going to keep guns out of the hands of gang members.  I'm fairly liberal myself and would love to see less gun violence nationwide but I don't see how this is going to have any effect whatsoever.


Exactly.  It's just one more way to oppress legal gun owners and it will do absolutely nothing to fix the gang violence problem.
 
2014-05-27 09:58:26 AM  
I'm pleased to know that the maroons in charge are happily oblivious to mental illnesses - you know, the real problem. Perhaps they have a mental illness.
 
2014-05-27 09:59:02 AM  
Jesus Van Jumping Christ!

These elected officials are truly special needs cases.  Full retard?  Heck, these guys have banana clips with armor piercing rounds of derp.  It is like they are on a dress-up play date and decided to overdose on stupid pills before they arrived.  True  paste eaters, they are.

And thank you voters for keeping helmet heads like this in power.  Now I just need to figure out which language our new overlords will be speaking - Spanish, Russian or Arabic.
 
2014-05-27 09:59:16 AM  

Dinki: EatenTheSun: gnosis301: Aarontology: If I owned a gun store, a good surveillance system would be one of thr first things I got for it.

You sound a lot more responsible than some people.

I don't know of any that don't have a surveillance system. I'm sure they exist, but I don't know of any.

Yeah when this guy walks in you want a video record of it.


A pulse laser In the 10 megawatt range.
 
2014-05-27 09:59:23 AM  

Aarontology: If I owned a gun store, a good surveillance system would be one of thr first things I got for it.



Every gun shop I've been into usually has video cameras. Also all the employees are armed. It would not be a smart place to try and rob.
 
2014-05-27 09:59:26 AM  

Dimensio: I would not oppose a recording requirement on sales on principle, but I suspect that the city will intentionally impose extremely onerous and unnecessary requirements regarding those recordings in a deliberate effort to make lawful sales all but impossible.

I also do not understand the benefit of limiting firearm seller locations.


If you make gangbangers ride the bus and have to make at least 2 transfers, they are less likely to get to the gun store because their lowered reading comprehension skill will likely make it impossible  for them to accurately decispher the bus schedule.

It's pretty genius and i congratulate Rahm on a jorb well did.

On a side note, i've bought and sold a lot of guns at and too gun shops, i've never been in one that didn't have video surveillance. I wonder how long they are going to require these shops to keep that video archived?
 
2014-05-27 09:59:28 AM  
FTA: "There is no question it will be the smartest, toughest regulation on gun stores in the country," said Janey Rountree, the mayor's deputy chief of staff for public safety. "It's designed to prevent gun trafficking and illegal sales in these stores."

/fixed
 
2014-05-27 09:59:37 AM  

That Guy What Stole the Bacon: smells_like_meat: That Guy What Stole the Bacon: ... aaand I think I just heard Wayne LaPierre's head explode several states away.

???

In other words, I do not expect the CEO of the NRA to be particularly thrilled with this.


I kind of imagine him giggling like a little kid at Christmas while he mentally composes the next few fundraising letters

Dinki: I'm pretty darn liberal, but the answer isn't this. They need to address the gangbanger situation. Some old fashioned cops on the street, public involvement, keep kids in school type efforts.


This
 
2014-05-27 10:00:41 AM  

PreMortem: Because none of the guns come from Indiana or Wisconsin, where it's 100x easier to get a gun than an abortion.


Just doing our part to keep the FIBs out of the state.
 
2014-05-27 10:00:45 AM  
Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion:
Exactly.  It's just one more way to oppress legal gun owners and it will do absolutely nothing to fix the gang violence problem.

I completely agree.  And I am in the camp that is OK with inconveniencing legal gun owners if it's a tradeoff that yields fewer gang violence incidents.  To inconvenience legal gun owners and generate no positive results is just stupid.
 
2014-05-27 10:00:51 AM  

nekom: Yeah, this isn't going to keep guns out of the hands of gang members. I'm fairly liberal myself and would love to see less gun violence nationwide but I don't see how this is going to have any effect whatsoever.


Yeah, liberal here too.  This is just the Dem version of being "tough on crime".  Make some new legislation that doesn't really deal with the problem...  it's red meat for the base (or at least the portion of the base that doesn't think too hard about things).
 
2014-05-27 10:01:15 AM  
So, put in a law that requires an expensive camera/recorder system, and storage for all that footage forever. Gun shops in Chicago will need to raise their prices to afford such a system; so consumers will shop elsewhere. Eventually all gun shops in Chicago will go bankrupt.

Nice! Help shut down Chicago small businesses, without making Chicago any safer.
 
2014-05-27 10:01:35 AM  

CivicMindedFive: So, we are all on board video-taping every sale at an adult store and requiring those videos be given to the government because we want to make sure sex offenders aren't visiting porno stores?

This is just a way to intimidate gun stores and buyers into staying out of Chicago.


And yet guns will still be in the hands of criminals. It's almost like gun-free zones are not really the answer to violence crime.
 
2014-05-27 10:02:01 AM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: So the Republicans against this idea are Soft on Crime who want their daughters and wifes raped at gun point by some low life scum gangbangers...


No, anyone for this is for useless time-and-money-wasting measures
 
2014-05-27 10:02:41 AM  

K3rmy: And thank you voters for keeping helmet heads like this in power. Now I just need to figure out which language our new overlords will be speaking - Spanish, Russian or Arabic.


Don't blame the voters, what are they going to do... vote Republican?  Sure, guns will be flowing through the land unfettered, but everything else goes to shiat.
 
2014-05-27 10:02:48 AM  
I wonder if this individual also supports mandatory lapel cameras for officers, make them record every interaction with citizens. I'm guessing no.
 
2014-05-27 10:02:55 AM  
Chicago? Gun control? Videotaping True Patriots? Rahm Emanuel?

This thread goan be cray cray.

dittybopper in 3... 2... 1...
 
2014-05-27 10:03:20 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Meh.  Indiana is only a few miles away.


80% of the gun crimes are committed with guns purchased out of state.
 
2014-05-27 10:03:23 AM  

jaybeezey: Dimensio: I would not oppose a recording requirement on sales on principle, but I suspect that the city will intentionally impose extremely onerous and unnecessary requirements regarding those recordings in a deliberate effort to make lawful sales all but impossible.

I also do not understand the benefit of limiting firearm seller locations.

If you make gangbangers ride the bus and have to make at least 2 transfers, they are less likely to get to the gun store because their lowered reading comprehension skill will likely make it impossible  for them to accurately decispher the bus schedule.

It's pretty genius and i congratulate Rahm on a jorb well did.

On a side note, i've bought and sold a lot of guns at and too gun shops, i've never been in one that didn't have video surveillance. I wonder how long they are going to require these shops to keep that video archived?


Knowing how Chicago politicians hold in contempt any city resident (other than themselves) who wishes to lawfully possess a firearm, I suspect that the requirement will hold that recordings must be held indefinitely, that they must cover at least five different pre-defined angles and that each recording (of each angle) must be of a minimum of 7,680x4,320 resolution. Video compression will also be prohibited (to prevent artifacting).

Either that or the recordings must be made on Betamax.

Or both.
 
2014-05-27 10:03:25 AM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: nekom: Dinki: I'm pretty darn liberal, but the answer isn't this. They need to address the gangbanger situation. Some old fashioned cops on the street, public involvement, keep kids in school type efforts.

Yeah, this isn't going to keep guns out of the hands of gang members.  I'm fairly liberal myself and would love to see less gun violence nationwide but I don't see how this is going to have any effect whatsoever.

Exactly.  It's just one more way to oppress legal gun owners and it will do absolutely nothing to fix the gang violence problem.


Indeed, this will do nothing to put restraints on the too rapid and accessible distribution of weapons into and through society.

Instead, ever legal gun sale should come with a full background check, mandatory classroom and field training for the weapon and mandatory insurance against loss and illegal use of that weapon.

That would slow down the all too rapid distribution of weapons through society.
 
2014-05-27 10:03:47 AM  
Maybe the real solution to the Chicago gun problem is just to wipe the entire state off the map and start over. only good thing out of that state is the Colts...and they had to steal them from another state begin.
 
2014-05-27 10:03:47 AM  
Would that prevent any 22-years old "Kid" from buying it legally and going on a suicide mission?
 
2014-05-27 10:04:05 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: It's almost like gun-free zones are not really the answer to violence crime.


Almost?
Check out the laws and stats in the state of Vermont.
Remember, Massachusetts is just about next door and NY state is.
 
2014-05-27 10:04:47 AM  
The only way Chicago's problems are going to be solved is if they start mass hiring police officers and actually start policing neighborhoods like they should be policed.

I really think the decapitation strikes against the major gangs have turned out to be too cute by half, because now instead of some kind of organized structure to counter, it's just a disorganized mess of violent, drug/gun-running thugs, and there is almost no way to tell who is who until you start hearing the pop-pop, and by that time it's too late.
 
2014-05-27 10:06:27 AM  

mayIFark: Would that prevent any 22-years old "Kid" from buying it legally and going on a suicide mission?


No, nor is preventing such an incident the purpose of such legislation. The purpose of such legislation is to be as onerous and inconvenient to legal firearm owners as possible while having a minimal (if any) effect on crime, thus allowing politicians to use the resulting lack of change in crime rates to justify further onerous regulations.

See also the city's "assault weapons" ban.
 
2014-05-27 10:06:43 AM  

FilmBELOH20: FTA: "There is no question it will be the smartest, toughest regulation on gun stores in the country," said Janey Rountree, the mayor's deputy chief of staff for public safety. "It's designed to prevent gun trafficking and illegal sales in these stores."

/fixed


If one is fine with onerous, unnecessary regulations designed to close abortion clinics, then one should be fine with regulations like these.

/In my opinion, abortions and guns should be free for all.
 
2014-05-27 10:07:35 AM  

smells_like_meat: Ah yes, a bold move. Take that NRA!!! Those gangbangers with criminal records prohibiting them from purchasing guns at a gun store will be deterred from their nefarious plans to purchase guns illegally.


How do you think guns become illegal? Just magically disappear from the factory?
 
2014-05-27 10:08:12 AM  

Dinki: I'm pretty darn liberal, but the answer isn't this. They need to address the gangbanger situation. Some old fashioned cops on the street, public involvement, keep kids in school type efforts.


Hmm. . .cops putting themselves in harm's way? I don't think that is going to fly.  If there is even a chance that they can get hurt, they won't don't.  Their gun, taser, baton, pepper spray are only useful to them if the perp is already handcuffed.

From the city's standpoint, it does not make economical sense.  If a cop dies, they have to pay benefits to surviving family member and then incur the cost of training to replace the cop.  Better to have the boy in blue writing tickets and generating revenue for the city.

Besides, the gang bangers and wanna-be thugs mostly kill each other so there is no need to do anything but wait.
 
2014-05-27 10:09:16 AM  

X-boxershorts: Instead, ever legal gun sale should come with a full background check, mandatory classroom and field training for the weapon and mandatory insurance against loss and illegal use of that weapon.


...and repeated mandatory training sessions every few years.  Wouldn't that be nice.  But in the words of one of my conservative friends, "Other people's problems ain't my business."  In other words, he feels that the laws on the books are just fine.  If you shoot someone, you go to jail.  If you accidentally shoot yourself, well, that's your own punishment.  If stats show that people with firearms in their household are xxx times more likely to commit suicide by that weapon, well, they'll kill themselves anyway.

But, so long as HE doesn't do anything wrong, the ENTIRE SYSTEM THEREFORE DOES NOT NEED TO CHANGE.
 
2014-05-27 10:10:09 AM  

Dimensio: I would not oppose a recording requirement on sales on principle, but I suspect that the city will intentionally impose extremely onerous and unnecessary requirements regarding those recordings in a deliberate effort to make lawful sales all but impossible.

I also do not understand the benefit of limiting firearm seller locations.


Because to an anti-gun politician, there is no distinction at all between someone who obeys the law and enjoys hunting or target shooting, and a gang banger doing drive-bys every other night.  All firearm-related commerce is seen as a negative to them.

Plus they love a good sound byte.  They can have a press conference and talk about how they supported efforts to curb gun violence by running gun shops out of town and their supporters will eat it up.  They did the same thing in San Francisco, which has exactly one gun shop left in the city IIRC.
 
2014-05-27 10:10:20 AM  
PreMortem

Because none of the guns come from Indiana or Wisconsin, where it's 100x easier to get a gun than an abortion.

Exactly. The tiny peen brigade love to rag on how cities like Chicago who have strict gun control still have epic amounts of gun violence gloss over the fact their rednecky states with lax gun are the reason it's so easy for criminals in areas with tight controls.

Gun control needs to be implemented at the federal level and apply to ALL states to be effective OR state borders would need to be treated like the international borders between Mexico and Canada to make sure no gun running is occurring. Even then we all know how effective border agents are.
 
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