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2014-05-26 12:40:35 AM  
Why the dumbass tag?  Cross contamination is a real problem for farmers trying to avoid GMO crops and fines.  If your neighbors GMO crop contaminates your organic field you have no recourse.  You're simply out those crops.  It's money lost.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/10/monsanto-wins-lawsuit_n_341 70 81.html
 
2014-05-26 01:04:38 AM  

Frederick: Why the dumbass tag?  Cross contamination is a real problem for farmers trying to avoid GMO crops and fines.  If your neighbors GMO crop contaminates your organic field you have no recourse.  You're simply out those crops.  It's money lost.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/10/monsanto-wins-lawsuit_n_341 70 81.html


The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit affirmed a previous ruling that found organic growers had no reason to try to block Monsanto from suing them as the company had pledged it would not take them to court if biotech crops accidentally mix in with organics.

The 2nd paragraph of your linked story.

ALSO.

Organic Foods are Bullshiat. Penn and Teller's bullshiat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5amLAMRQk5I

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4019 - Organic Food Myths
Is it a revolution in health and the environment, or a counterproductive fad?
 tl;dr Audio Podcast Version. http://skeptoid.com/audio/skeptoid-4019.mp3
 
2014-05-26 01:19:32 AM  

Heliovdrake: Organic Foods are Bullshiat. Penn and Teller's bullshiat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5amLAMRQk5I


I'm not all convinced about organic foods tasting better etc. Except for Eggs which actually do taste better.


However that Penn and Teller episode is in itself "Bullshait".
If you notice closely. The Organic food taste tests (At 22:11 or so and there are several).

Those tests have a thing in common. All the Organic food is served on red plates and the 'normal' on Blue plates.
Food, especially things like tomatoes--look better on blue than red: Ever hear of a 'blue plate special'?

P&T aren't idiots if it was simply random you wouldn't see that color choice consistently used; they did a slight of hand trick to stack the odds in their favor of their point. Using a psychological preference well known to every road side dinner for plate color.

You probably shouldn't be getting your science info from Los Vegas Magicians any more than trusting Yoko Ono on oil production.
 
2014-05-26 01:42:52 AM  

optikeye: any more than trusting Yoko Ono on oil production.


Are you telling me that she's not an expert in the field of petroleum engineering?
 
2014-05-26 01:55:23 AM  

dr_blasto: optikeye: any more than trusting Yoko Ono on oil production.

Are you telling me that she's not an expert in the field of petroleum engineering?


Well, as far fracking is concerned; She is an expert about breaking up Rock Groups.
 
2014-05-26 01:58:42 AM  

optikeye: dr_blasto: optikeye: any more than trusting Yoko Ono on oil production.

Are you telling me that she's not an expert in the field of petroleum engineering?

Well, as far fracking is concerned; She is an expert about breaking up Rock Groups.


This is all news to me now. shiat, I didn't even know GM was into crops. That doesn't make any sense given their problems building cars, why would they grow plants? Are those subject to recalls too?
 
2014-05-26 02:13:13 AM  

Heliovdrake: Frederick: Why the dumbass tag?  Cross contamination is a real problem for farmers trying to avoid GMO crops and fines.  If your neighbors GMO crop contaminates your organic field you have no recourse.  You're simply out those crops.  It's money lost.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/10/monsanto-wins-lawsuit_n_341 70 81.html

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit affirmed a previous ruling that found organic growers had no reason to try to block Monsanto from suing them as the company had pledged it would not take them to court if biotech crops accidentally mix in with organics.

The 2nd paragraph of your linked story.


That doesnt say what you think it says; or what you think I said.

That says Monsanto would not sue the organic farmers.  Read closer.  It does not address the damages TO THE ORGANIC FARMERS.
 
2014-05-26 02:18:59 AM  

Heliovdrake: ALSO.

Organic Foods are Bullshiat. Penn and Teller's bullshiat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5amLAMRQk5I

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4019 - Organic Food Myths
Is it a revolution in health and the environment, or a counterproductive fad?
tl;dr Audio Podcast Version. http://skeptoid.com/audio/skeptoid-4019.mp3


So farking what?  Do you really think organic consumers care about your opinion or the opinion of anyone else?  If they want to eat organic it's their business and why should you even want to interfere?  What do you have to gain by supporting making it more difficult for organic consumers?  Thats dickish.
 
2014-05-26 07:47:47 AM  
We've been generically modifying our foods from the beginning of agriculture, but now that we can do so accurately and without generations of crossbreeding it's something to be scared of.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-05-26 08:07:35 AM  
It's not the genetics that are the problem (barring some possible allergy issues), it's that the genetic manipulation allows for the overuse of pesticides which aren't exactly good for anyone.

You gotta wash stuff with soap.. and even then it's soaked into the food.

Oh yeah, it also concentrates power in the hands of the few as usual.
 
2014-05-26 08:11:06 AM  

Frederick: Heliovdrake: ALSO.

Organic Foods are Bullshiat. Penn and Teller's bullshiat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5amLAMRQk5I

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4019 - Organic Food Myths
Is it a revolution in health and the environment, or a counterproductive fad?
tl;dr Audio Podcast Version. http://skeptoid.com/audio/skeptoid-4019.mp3

So farking what?  Do you really think organic consumers care about your opinion or the opinion of anyone else?  If they want to eat organic it's their business and why should you even want to interfere?  What do you have to gain by supporting making it more difficult for organic consumers?  Thats dickish.


... because they're making farking legislature that prevents other people from growing GMO (read: normal) food.And I don't think they care about "fact" either, which they consider to be equally comparable to "opinion".  Go detox or something.
 
2014-05-26 08:22:43 AM  
Halp, science is scary!!
 
2014-05-26 08:32:30 AM  

Frederick: Heliovdrake: ALSO.

Organic Foods are Bullshiat. Penn and Teller's bullshiat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5amLAMRQk5I

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4019 - Organic Food Myths
Is it a revolution in health and the environment, or a counterproductive fad?
tl;dr Audio Podcast Version. http://skeptoid.com/audio/skeptoid-4019.mp3

So farking what?  Do you really think organic consumers care about your opinion or the opinion of anyone else?  If they want to eat organic it's their business and why should you even want to interfere?  What do you have to gain by supporting making it more difficult for organic consumers?  Thats dickish.


There are an awful l,ot of people on this planet and many of them are starving. Westerners  who have the privilege of walking into a grocery store and choosing the buy food that produces less calories per acre could at least not be self righteous dicks about it, and they shouldn't use biased anti-technology rhetoric to ban farmers from growing GM crops.
 
2014-05-26 09:07:34 AM  

lewismarktwo: It's not the genetics that are the problem (barring some possible allergy issues), it's that the genetic manipulation allows for the overuse of pesticides which aren't exactly good for anyone.

You gotta wash stuff with soap.. and even then it's soaked into the food.

Oh yeah, it also concentrates power in the hands of the few as usual.


I have never heard of this before. How does GM lead to an increase in pesticide use?
 
2014-05-26 09:11:09 AM  
I like how the article give a little lean toward the GMO industry. And how it forgets to mention that GMO crap is banned by several countries.
 
2014-05-26 09:15:45 AM  

revrendjim: lewismarktwo: It's not the genetics that are the problem (barring some possible allergy issues), it's that the genetic manipulation allows for the overuse of pesticides which aren't exactly good for anyone.

You gotta wash stuff with soap.. and even then it's soaked into the food.

Oh yeah, it also concentrates power in the hands of the few as usual.

I have never heard of this before. How does GM lead to an increase in pesticide use?


The argument would be easier to follow if it were "herbicide" instead, as in the Round-up resistant varieties that allow farmers to dump tons of that shiat over their fields and the runoff becomes toxic.
 
2014-05-26 09:18:31 AM  
 (68 hectares) in 2013, about half the total land used for crops, according to the USDA.

In other news, the US manages to obtain an impressive agricultural yield from only 136 hectares.
 
2014-05-26 09:20:41 AM  

rooftop235: I like how the article give a little lean toward the GMO industry. And how it forgets to mention that GMO crap is banned by several countries.


So is being gay. Or being born gay.
 
2014-05-26 09:20:42 AM  

revrendjim: lewismarktwo: It's not the genetics that are the problem (barring some possible allergy issues), it's that the genetic manipulation allows for the overuse of pesticides which aren't exactly good for anyone.

You gotta wash stuff with soap.. and even then it's soaked into the food.

Oh yeah, it also concentrates power in the hands of the few as usual.

I have never heard of this before. How does GM lead to an increase in pesticide use?


They think farmers are just sitting at home each night, just itching to go out and spray their crops with any herbicide/pesticide that they can get their hands on. Never mind the costs and the potential damage to crops. Farmers you know, have a bottomless pit of money and don't care about the environment at all.
 
2014-05-26 09:23:40 AM  

dr_blasto: revrendjim: lewismarktwo: It's not the genetics that are the problem (barring some possible allergy issues), it's that the genetic manipulation allows for the overuse of pesticides which aren't exactly good for anyone.

You gotta wash stuff with soap.. and even then it's soaked into the food.

Oh yeah, it also concentrates power in the hands of the few as usual.

I have never heard of this before. How does GM lead to an increase in pesticide use?

The argument would be easier to follow if it were "herbicide" instead, as in the Round-up resistant varieties that allow farmers to dump tons of that shiat over their fields and the runoff becomes toxic.


Still no reason to worry that it is on your food. The time to kill weeds is when the plants are young. Nobody sprays just before harvesting.
 
2014-05-26 09:27:17 AM  

revrendjim: dr_blasto: revrendjim: lewismarktwo: It's not the genetics that are the problem (barring some possible allergy issues), it's that the genetic manipulation allows for the overuse of pesticides which aren't exactly good for anyone.

You gotta wash stuff with soap.. and even then it's soaked into the food.

Oh yeah, it also concentrates power in the hands of the few as usual.

I have never heard of this before. How does GM lead to an increase in pesticide use?

The argument would be easier to follow if it were "herbicide" instead, as in the Round-up resistant varieties that allow farmers to dump tons of that shiat over their fields and the runoff becomes toxic.

Still no reason to worry that it is on your food. The time to kill weeds is when the plants are young. Nobody sprays just before harvesting.


Yup. That and the worries about runoff are overblown, especially when compared to fertilizers.
 
2014-05-26 09:39:40 AM  
Damn, those responses are way to reasoned and level headed.
 
2014-05-26 09:39:56 AM  
Why is it every time I see the name Monsanto, I want to read it as Mansquito?
 
2014-05-26 09:42:29 AM  

kroonermanblack: rooftop235: I like how the article give a little lean toward the GMO industry. And how it forgets to mention that GMO crap is banned by several countries.

So is being gay. Or being born gay.


That is different because...umm... reasons?
 
2014-05-26 09:51:20 AM  

daveinsurgent: Frederick: Heliovdrake: ALSO.

Organic Foods are Bullshiat. Penn and Teller's bullshiat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5amLAMRQk5I

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4019 - Organic Food Myths
Is it a revolution in health and the environment, or a counterproductive fad?
tl;dr Audio Podcast Version. http://skeptoid.com/audio/skeptoid-4019.mp3

So farking what?  Do you really think organic consumers care about your opinion or the opinion of anyone else?  If they want to eat organic it's their business and why should you even want to interfere?  What do you have to gain by supporting making it more difficult for organic consumers?  Thats dickish.

... because they're making farking legislature that prevents other people from growing GMO (read: normal) food.And I don't think they care about "fact" either, which they consider to be equally comparable to "opinion".  Go detox or something.


Citation On Your Legislation Claim?
 
2014-05-26 09:51:55 AM  

Frederick: Heliovdrake: Frederick: Why the dumbass tag?  Cross contamination is a real problem for farmers trying to avoid GMO crops and fines.  If your neighbors GMO crop contaminates your organic field you have no recourse.  You're simply out those crops.  It's money lost.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/10/monsanto-wins-lawsuit_n_341 70 81.html

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit affirmed a previous ruling that found organic growers had no reason to try to block Monsanto from suing them as the company had pledged it would not take them to court if biotech crops accidentally mix in with organics.

The 2nd paragraph of your linked story.

That doesnt say what you think it says; or what you think I said.

That says Monsanto would not sue the organic farmers.  Read closer.  It does not address the damages TO THE ORGANIC FARMERS.


The link that you posted did not support your statement: If your neighbors GMO crop contaminates your organic field you have no recourse.  You're simply out those crops.  It's money lost.

The link discussed Monsanto suing someone who knowingly stole their product, and their stated commitment to not sue anyone whose crops accidentally cross-pollinate with their crops. Heliovdrake addressed the point you might have been trying to make based on your link.

I don't actually know about how cross-pollination is handled in agriculture, normally.
What do two neighboring organic farmers do when their crops cross-pollinate with each other? Do they take their food off the market because they can no longer properly label their food's breed? Surely they don't put hybrids on the market without testing - that kind of random genetic mixing can kill.
 
2014-05-26 09:59:58 AM  
You know who sprays more pesticides on their crops than any other farming group? The Amish.
 
2014-05-26 10:02:31 AM  

Frederick: daveinsurgent: Frederick: Heliovdrake: ALSO.

Organic Foods are Bullshiat. Penn and Teller's bullshiat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5amLAMRQk5I

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4019 - Organic Food Myths
Is it a revolution in health and the environment, or a counterproductive fad?
tl;dr Audio Podcast Version. http://skeptoid.com/audio/skeptoid-4019.mp3

So farking what?  Do you really think organic consumers care about your opinion or the opinion of anyone else?  If they want to eat organic it's their business and why should you even want to interfere?  What do you have to gain by supporting making it more difficult for organic consumers?  Thats dickish.

... because they're making farking legislature that prevents other people from growing GMO (read: normal) food.And I don't think they care about "fact" either, which they consider to be equally comparable to "opinion".  Go detox or something.

Citation On Your Legislation Claim?


I take it you DNRTFA? Monsanto's business competitors have successfully made it illegal for anyone to grow their crops in "at least a dozen places around the nation."
 
2014-05-26 10:07:51 AM  

LarryDan43: You know who sprays more pesticides on their crops than any other farming group? The Amish.


So when I thought they were saying "let us pray" it was actually "lettuce spray"?
 
2014-05-26 10:13:42 AM  

draypresct: Frederick: daveinsurgent: Frederick: Heliovdrake: ALSO.

Organic Foods are Bullshiat. Penn and Teller's bullshiat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5amLAMRQk5I

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4019 - Organic Food Myths
Is it a revolution in health and the environment, or a counterproductive fad?
tl;dr Audio Podcast Version. http://skeptoid.com/audio/skeptoid-4019.mp3

So farking what?  Do you really think organic consumers care about your opinion or the opinion of anyone else?  If they want to eat organic it's their business and why should you even want to interfere?  What do you have to gain by supporting making it more difficult for organic consumers?  Thats dickish.

... because they're making farking legislature that prevents other people from growing GMO (read: normal) food.And I don't think they care about "fact" either, which they consider to be equally comparable to "opinion".  Go detox or something.

Citation On Your Legislation Claim?

I take it you DNRTFA? Monsanto's business competitors have successfully made it illegal for anyone to grow their crops in "at least a dozen places around the nation."


They aren't business competitors, they are local farmers. Monsanto does not farm. And the prevention didn't occur through legislation, but through a vote. About as Democratic as it could be.

It is a necessary step to create large enough areas of one planting method in order to avoid cross contamination.

If that trend continues across further sections of farmland it would be occurring through majority opinion. How is that objectionable?
 
2014-05-26 10:24:46 AM  
GMO is evil, everytime!!!!
 
2014-05-26 10:50:00 AM  

Reaperman: revrendjim: lewismarktwo: It's not the genetics that are the problem (barring some possible allergy issues), it's that the genetic manipulation allows for the overuse of pesticides which aren't exactly good for anyone.

You gotta wash stuff with soap.. and even then it's soaked into the food.

Oh yeah, it also concentrates power in the hands of the few as usual.

I have never heard of this before. How does GM lead to an increase in pesticide use?

They think farmers are just sitting at home each night, just itching to go out and spray their crops with any herbicide/pesticide that they can get their hands on. Never mind the costs and the potential damage to crops. Farmers you know, have a bottomless pit of money and don't care about the environment at all.


Yeah, they only live and raise families on those farms, drink water from wells, and eat the food they grow on that very same soil.
 
2014-05-26 10:57:41 AM  

Frederick: They aren't business competitors, they are local farmers. Monsanto does not farm.


True, but farmers sell seed. And their motivation was to limit competition, not, as you suggested, to avoid cross contamination.

Chuck Burr grows more than 300 varieties of certified organic seed outside Ashland and is president of the Southern Oregon Seed Growers Association. He said he could not in good conscience try to sell his crop of chard seeds after learning Syngenta had a field close enough to be pollenated by them, and testing was expensive.
"If anybody ever wanted to push small farms out of the valley, that is how they would do it, with GMO crops," he said.


Frederick: It is a necessary step to create large enough areas of one planting method in order to avoid cross contamination.


This claim is similar to your earlier one:

Frederick: If your neighbors GMO crop contaminates your organic field you have no recourse. You're simply out those crops.

Unlike the United States, the European Union and Japan, which allow trace amounts of GMO in organic foods in acknowledgement of contamination by wind or pollen transfer, Australia maintains a zero threshold.


Organic farmers don't need to avoid cross-contamination. You're not out those crops, at least not in Rogue county, Oregon.

Frederick: And the prevention didn't occur through legislation, but through a vote. About as Democratic as it could be.


I was using the term legislation to refer to laws, whether created by the legislature or through referendums. I believe this is currently standard usage, but I apologize if there was any confusion.

As for the democratic nature of the vote, I'd be curious about the proportion of people in Rogue county who are related to or benefit from the businesses that felt threatened by Monsanto's competition. Or were taken in by false claims that they would have to destroy their crops if there was cross-contamination.
 
2014-05-26 11:36:45 AM  

Egoy3k: Frederick: Heliovdrake: ALSO.

Organic Foods are Bullshiat. Penn and Teller's bullshiat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5amLAMRQk5I

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4019 - Organic Food Myths
Is it a revolution in health and the environment, or a counterproductive fad?
tl;dr Audio Podcast Version. http://skeptoid.com/audio/skeptoid-4019.mp3

So farking what?  Do you really think organic consumers care about your opinion or the opinion of anyone else?  If they want to eat organic it's their business and why should you even want to interfere?  What do you have to gain by supporting making it more difficult for organic consumers?  Thats dickish.

There are an awful l,ot of people on this planet and many of them are starving. Westerners  who have the privilege of walking into a grocery store and choosing the buy food that produces less calories per acre could at least not be self righteous dicks about it, and they shouldn't use biased anti-technology rhetoric to ban farmers from growing GM crops.


I dont think I've heard anyone talk about outright banning GM crops. Proper labelling is an issue. And don't go expecting other people to eat whatever they are lucky to find at the grocery store just because others are starving.
 
2014-05-26 11:42:33 AM  

revrendjim: The time to kill weeds is when the plants are young. Nobody sprays just before harvesting.


You're forgetting about pesticides, they can contaminate organic fields too.  They can and will be sprayed at any time.

Personally, I think any chemicals that can affect your neighbors in a negative way shouldn't be permitted if you can't contain them on your own land.
 
2014-05-26 11:45:07 AM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: I dont think I've heard anyone talk about outright banning GM crops.


The topic of TFA is a county who (among others) is banning GM crops.
 
2014-05-26 11:57:32 AM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Egoy3k: Frederick: Heliovdrake: ALSO.

Organic Foods are Bullshiat. Penn and Teller's bullshiat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5amLAMRQk5I

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4019 - Organic Food Myths
Is it a revolution in health and the environment, or a counterproductive fad?
tl;dr Audio Podcast Version. http://skeptoid.com/audio/skeptoid-4019.mp3

So farking what?  Do you really think organic consumers care about your opinion or the opinion of anyone else?  If they want to eat organic it's their business and why should you even want to interfere?  What do you have to gain by supporting making it more difficult for organic consumers?  Thats dickish.

There are an awful l,ot of people on this planet and many of them are starving. Westerners  who have the privilege of walking into a grocery store and choosing the buy food that produces less calories per acre could at least not be self righteous dicks about it, and they shouldn't use biased anti-technology rhetoric to ban farmers from growing GM crops.

I dont think I've heard anyone talk about outright banning GM crops. Proper labelling is an issue. And don't go expecting other people to eat whatever they are lucky to find at the grocery store just because others are starving.


As long as the label properly says: The genetic changes in this GM food are well understood and tested as opposed to the haphazard birdshot of mutations contained within our organic bullshiat which an Ames test would reveal to be more carcinogenic.
 
2014-05-26 12:00:09 PM  
Why would anyone want GM crops? Ford crops are way better.
 
2014-05-26 12:28:27 PM  

optikeye: I'm not all convinced about organic foods tasting better etc. Except for Eggs which actually do taste better.


I remember reading a taste comparison, I think it was in Consumer Reports, and all the eggs they tasted were basically the same. Some eggs tasted a little better than the others but the organic eggs didn't perform any better than the other eggs.
 
2014-05-26 12:48:50 PM  

Tobin_Lam: optikeye: I'm not all convinced about organic foods tasting better etc. Except for Eggs which actually do taste better.

I remember reading a taste comparison, I think it was in Consumer Reports, and all the eggs they tasted were basically the same. Some eggs tasted a little better than the others but the organic eggs didn't perform any better than the other eggs.


Organic pears are so much better than regular pears that it is almost obscene.
 
2014-05-26 01:08:37 PM  

lewismarktwo: It's not the genetics that are the problem (barring some possible allergy issues), it's that the genetic manipulation allows for the overuse of pesticides which aren't exactly good for anyone.

You gotta wash stuff with soap.. and even then it's soaked into the food.

Oh yeah, it also concentrates power in the hands of the few as usual.


You are totally wrong.  GM allows farmers to use less pesticide.  That's where its value lies.  A farmer can pay more for the seed, but the ongoing cost of spraying the field is much less.
 
2014-05-26 01:10:32 PM  
I am a little confused about the organics argument here.  Do they not do selective breeding for their seed crops?  You do have to maintain your heirloom seed stocks instead of having it bred willy nilly.  And cross pollination does not affect the consumer end product because the fruit is based off of the parent plant.   The only part that would contain gm material is the germ.

I find their argument a little specious
 
2014-05-26 01:24:11 PM  

Frederick: daveinsurgent: Frederick: Heliovdrake: ALSO.

Organic Foods are Bullshiat. Penn and Teller's bullshiat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5amLAMRQk5I

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4019 - Organic Food Myths
Is it a revolution in health and the environment, or a counterproductive fad?
tl;dr Audio Podcast Version. http://skeptoid.com/audio/skeptoid-4019.mp3

So farking what?  Do you really think organic consumers care about your opinion or the opinion of anyone else?  If they want to eat organic it's their business and why should you even want to interfere?  What do you have to gain by supporting making it more difficult for organic consumers?  Thats dickish.

... because they're making farking legislature that prevents other people from growing GMO (read: normal) food.And I don't think they care about "fact" either, which they consider to be equally comparable to "opinion".  Go detox or something.

Citation On Your Legislation Claim?


Well there's always the headline of the thread that says an Oregon county just banned GM crops
 
2014-05-26 01:27:17 PM  
Gotta love how there is anti-science derp on both sides of the aisle
 
2014-05-26 02:22:13 PM  

Frederick: Cross contamination is a real problem for farmers trying to avoid GMO crops


No, it isn't.  As we've brought up repeatedly, pollen viability half-distance is on the order of less than a meter even for large-pollen crops like corn.

Cross-pollination is a thing that happens in some contexts, yes, but short of the fields sharing a fence and having the crop within inches of each other (which is pretty much unheard-of, you need access to your fences so no one does that) it's not an issue in this context.  If an non-negligible portion of your crop exhibits the gene, it's very definitely because you planted it there.

Your imagined 'controversy' is about as legit as the people mouthing off constantly about chemtrails.  Go away.

// The primary question regarding TFA isn't really this anyhow, it's whether a county government has the authority to alter agricultural policy at all... the answer being a pretty definitive "no" to this point, but I guess they're free to take another stab at trying to seize a chunk of federal power... good farking luck with that one, eh.
 
2014-05-26 02:39:57 PM  
Man, hard to decide whom I hate more.

Organic farmers or Monsato.
 
2014-05-26 03:00:11 PM  
Jim_Callahan: Frederick: Cross contamination is a real problem for farmers trying to avoid GMO crops

No, it isn't.  As we've brought up repeatedly, pollen viability half-distance is on the order of less than a meter even for large-pollen crops like corn.

This paper suggests that corn pollen can readily travel 200 feet, with cross pollination still a risk at over 1500 feet.

http://ohioline.osu.edu/agf-fact/0153.html
 
2014-05-26 03:46:33 PM  
Farmboy and molecular biologist here.  Yes, there will always be a risk for contamination from GMOs if they are within a few hundred feet of an organic field.  However, since the organic farmer does not push for selection (such as by using Round-up), and that recombinant DNA has a tendency to be unstable and be excised from the genome, there is little risk for the organic farmers for a GMO to overtake their seed stock.  There are easy tests to show what percentage of seeds actually contain GMO DNA.  The percentage of contamination should be a bigger issue than mere detection.
 
2014-05-26 06:00:09 PM  
I love it when the dummies come out and vote. I mean hate it. I hate it when dummies come out and vote.
 
2014-05-26 06:14:17 PM  
As a young farmer I am interested in in buying an orchard an making it organic.

I'll probably get half the production, but if I get 3 times the price it'll be worth it.

That is until an invasive species with no natural predators comes in and wipes me out.

Then I'll be bankrupt and somebody will buy the land and start spraying again anyways.

*Actually happened to my neighbor and I feel awful for them.*
 
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