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2014-05-25 09:35:35 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: Snarfangel: I don't mind ending mass incarceration, but spin and charge need to be dumped in a black hole somewhere.

I did my due diligence on google, what does "spin and charge" mean? Overcharging into a plea?



Sorry, physics joke.

Well, okay, bad physics joke. Mass, spin (or angular momentum), and charge are the three defining characteristics of a Kerr-Newman black hole. But to be fair, the equation is hilarious.
 
2014-05-25 09:35:47 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Duke_leto_Atredes: the people who built the private prisons, duh

Less than 10% of prisons are private.  This is very much a big government problem.


A rising tide lifts all boats. There are states without private prisons that contract with private prisons in other states to hold their overflow population. Alaska used to do this, they've only just rounded up all their prisoners back to Alaska state facilities. Guess what: The largest building in Alaska is now a prison.
 
2014-05-25 09:36:20 PM  
Jim Crow 2.0
 
2014-05-25 09:37:05 PM  

eiger: Dirty J1:

Multiple instances of minor drug possession..... So they did it again.... And again...... And again, knowing full well they shouldn't do it. How many chances do we award people until we have to lock them up to keep them from doing it? 10, 20, 30 chances perhaps? 100 chances? 1,000? If you had maybe said "first time" drug possession then I would understand..... But the key word in your argument was "multiple."

A million times b/c there is no good reason to lock someone up simply for using a drug. You and people who think like you are what's wrong w/ America.


Yeah sure so lets just let them get away with it, no big deal. Why even bother making laws for anything if we don't enforce them. And what do you suppose is an appropriate permanent solution? Rehab? Fines? These things will maybe help, but those really committed to doing illegal drugs are going to just keep doing them until.....oh I dunno, they just kill themselves or even someone else. I've personally known someone whom rehab didnt help at all, and sure enough he was right back to it. Then someone was dumb enough to hire him as a mechanic, overlooking or even not giving a drug test, and he ended up very badly injured at work, luckily no one else was. And guess what; he was high.
 
2014-05-25 09:37:25 PM  

kceaton: Personally I think the thing that may have changed things the most IS the explosion of: information.  Guess what came onto the scene in 1995 in a huge way and has ONLY gotten bigger since, The Internet.  Intelligence, wisdom, and knowledge decrease stupid acts and also allow those who thought they needed to resort to crime to instead now get it in a productive manner.


Finished?  Allow me to retort:  http://www.fark.com/politics/
 
2014-05-25 09:37:50 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Duke_leto_Atredes: the people who built the private prisons, duh

Less than 10% of prisons are private.  This is very much a big government problem.


For profit or state run, there are billions of dollars pouring into the economy. No politician would ever get elected trying to cut that fat out of the budget.
 
2014-05-25 09:37:54 PM  

taurusowner: TheHighlandHowler: Everyone is on this bandwagon until a friend/famly-member gets robbed or worse.  Then they want to throw away the key.

Well that's why the article specifically points out the number of people who are incarcerated for non-violent crimes.


End Drug Prohibition. It's not a government's role to tell citizens what they can and cannot consume. That alone will drop the number of people incarcerated for non-violent crimes that shouldn't be crimes in the first place. And it will free up space and manpower to deal with the people who are robbing others, or worse.


It's really dumb putting addicts in prison. People still get drugs inside prison, so what's what point? There have been many high-functioning addicts that live productive lives. Alcoholics cause more problems in society than all other types of drug users combined. It's hypocritical, to say the least.

We should free drug offenders, allow them access to legal and clean/pure drugs at clinics (if that is their choice), or have programs set up for rehabilitation if they decide to get clean. Paying for someone to go to rehab for 16 months would be more cost efficient and wiser than incarcerating them for 5 years +. Providing safe access to controlled amounts of drugs would prevent crime associated with drug use, not to mention dis-empowering the Mexican drugs cartels completely. The drug war is far more violent and costly than implementing social services programs for drug addicts.

The non-violent offenders that belong in prison are the white collar criminals that commit fraud and theft. Those types of crimes need stiffer penalties...

Also - one last thing. If you don't think the clinic idea (giving away free drugs) is an effective or good idea, that system is already in place for heroin addicts. Methadone, in a lot of ways, is even worse than heroin. At least with heroin, you can quite cold turkey and not die... Addiction to harder drugs (including spirits) is a very sad thing, but we can't control the behavior of others (regarding self-medicating). It simply does not work.
 
2014-05-25 09:38:00 PM  
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2014-05-25 09:38:43 PM  

fredbox: I believe a majority of states would pass a ballot measure that gave the police the right of summary execution of crime suspects.


We don't get such referendums anymore. It gets passed by the usual thugs, or simple dictated, and we turn around and re-elect them. A subtle, but effective, difference.

"B-B-BUT YOU ELECTED US SO IT US OK"
 
2014-05-25 09:38:55 PM  

TheHighlandHowler: Everyone is on this bandwagon until a friend/famly-member gets robbed or worse.  Then they want to throw away the key.


Conversely - a lot of people are in favor of tough laws for drug users until it's their own kid facing life in prison for baking some pot brownies.
 
2014-05-25 09:39:35 PM  

Mrbogey: I'm okay with releasing them if we can enforce an exile to another state. If we can toss every gunman, rapist, and burglar from New Orleans into Manhattan, I'd see no problem.

America's prison population is exploding because Americans are becoming more criminal. That's how societal collapse works folks.


Why should New York have to take turds from the shiathole that is Louisiana?
 
2014-05-25 09:39:38 PM  

DrPainMD: Honest Bender: Stop breaking the law!

That's not possible. We have so many laws that we all commit several felonies every single day. Literally every person in the country could receive a life sentence just for crimes committed within the last month.


and yet, somehow, the people that destroyed the economy a few years back did nothing illegal.
 
2014-05-25 09:40:11 PM  

fredbox: ThrobblefootSpectre: Duke_leto_Atredes: the people who built the private prisons, duh

Less than 10% of prisons are private.  This is very much a big government problem.


A rising tide lifts all boats. There are states without private prisons that contract with private prisons in other states to hold their overflow population. Alaska used to do this, they've only just rounded up all their prisoners back to Alaska state facilities. Guess what: The largest building in Alaska is now a prison.



In fact, as pointed out by someone else above, incarceration rates have been falling for decades.  So it is  factual to say that as the number of private prisons have increased, incarceration rates have fallen.
 
2014-05-25 09:40:22 PM  

Mrbogey: I'm okay with releasing them if we can enforce an exile to another state. If we can toss every gunman, rapist, and burglar from New Orleans into Manhattan, I'd see no problem.

America's prison population is exploding because Americans are becoming more criminal. That's how societal collapse works folks.


Not even close. They even jail truants, now.
 
2014-05-25 09:40:45 PM  

Snarfangel: Sorry, physics joke.


Dude, I totally got the physics reference, just couldn't fit it into the thread!
 
2014-05-25 09:41:03 PM  

Honest Bender: Stop breaking the law!


Stop making them!
 
2014-05-25 09:42:13 PM  

Dirty J1: Yeah sure so lets just let them get away with it, no big dea


Why worry about drugs at all? Heroin used to be an  additive to patent medicines. Society didn't collapse.
 
2014-05-25 09:42:19 PM  

DrPainMD: Dirty J1: ...there are too many people who sympathize with criminals these days, so executing them would make these people sad and hurt their feelings..... And that's what America is all about these days is not hurting anyone's feelings apparently.

So, when are you going to turn yourself in? Every day you violate, at the very least, the Clean Water Act, the Clean Air Act and commit honest services fraud. Probably several times every day.


Lets see..... I don't dump toxic chemicals, i haven't removed my emissions devices from my car, and I'm not sure what "honest services fraud" is but I'm quite sure i haven't committed it. So explain how you suppose I've violated said laws. Indulge me.
 
2014-05-25 09:42:41 PM  
MrBogey, you are the reason the rest of the planet hates the United States and the reason the rest of the universe hates Earth. Sleep well you piece of shiat.
 
2014-05-25 09:42:42 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: incarceration rates have been falling for decades


??

You mean crime rates, correct?
 
2014-05-25 09:42:44 PM  

anuran: Mrbogey: I'm okay with releasing them if we can enforce an exile to another state. If we can toss every gunman, rapist, and burglar from New Orleans into Manhattan, I'd see no problem.

America's prison population is exploding because Americans are becoming more criminal. That's how societal collapse works folks.

Why should New York have to take turds from the shiathole that is Louisiana?



Because New York is shipping their geezers to Florida, and Florida is shipping oranges to Louisiana. It's the circle of something or another.
 
2014-05-25 09:43:19 PM  
fredbox: I believe a majority of states would pass a ballot measure that gave the police the right of summary execution of crime suspects.

That's basically the case already. Cops execute around 500 people a year knowing it's absurdly unlikely they will face any repercussions even in the most egregious cases.
 
2014-05-25 09:43:36 PM  

whither_apophis: For profit or state run, there are billions of dollars pouring into the economy. No politician would ever get elected trying to cut that fat out of the budget.


We agree there is a problem, so let's put the blame where it actually should be, rather than cloud the issue with falsehoods based on a political agenda.  Shifting the blame away from big government is to be part of the problem.
 
2014-05-25 09:44:40 PM  
chapman:

But then they are only criming at other criminals, and people are okay with that.  Sort of like how prison rape is the only acceptable form of rape.  Hell, some people cheer for it if we are talking about the right brand of prisoner.

It's better to be dead than incarcerated for a very very long time. It's better to kill than to torture, which is what incarceration is whether the inmate gets raped or not.

And it's a sin to waste meat.
 
2014-05-25 09:44:44 PM  

jaytkay: ?

You mean crime rates, correct?


Incarceration rates also.  See upthread for cites.
 
2014-05-25 09:46:12 PM  

profplump: TheHighlandHowler: Then they want to throw away the key.

Which is why we don't let victims of crime determine the punishment for offenders.


And there's the problem, right there.

Prison shouldn't be a punishment. It should be an opportunity for rehabilitation. Yes, it will fail a lot of the time, but you have to at least make some attempt, or you might as well just throw away the key. If all you're doing is shoving these guys in a hole with a lot of other criminals, you're only going to reinforce the wrong behaviours. What's the point?
 
2014-05-25 09:47:06 PM  

Target Builder: fredbox: I believe a majority of states would pass a ballot measure that gave the police the right of summary execution of crime suspects.

That's basically the case already. Cops execute around 500 people a year knowing it's absurdly unlikely they will face any repercussions even in the most egregious cases.


What, you think they don't end up with pangs of regret for having to accept that paid administrative leave and promotion?
 
2014-05-25 09:48:03 PM  

yakmans_dad: Dirty J1: Yeah sure so lets just let them get away with it, no big dea

Why worry about drugs at all? Heroin used to be an  additive to patent medicines. Society didn't collapse.


Medicines in small controlled doses. Medicines given with explicit dosage precautions and and "do not (whatever) while taking this drug" warnings. Only abused of course by irresponsible druggies or completely illiterate people.
 
2014-05-25 09:50:34 PM  

Dirty J1: Start executing life sentancers

[sic] without parole, then just move on to all the ones who committed violent crimes, and then look at the nonviolent criminals on a case by case basis.

AND DON'T WASTE THE MEAT.
 
2014-05-25 09:51:23 PM  

fusillade762: Honest Bender: Stop breaking the law!

You probably broke a dozen laws this week and weren't even aware of it.


So he's typing this from jail?
 
2014-05-25 09:51:36 PM  
Stop being assholes.
 
2014-05-25 09:51:49 PM  

AgentPothead: MrBogey, you are the reason the rest of the planet hates the United States and the reason the rest of the universe hates Earth. Sleep well you piece of shiat.


Link to your manifesto and youtube videos?

Drive a BMW?
 
2014-05-25 09:52:29 PM  

kceaton: Once the spread of information saturates the social structure (basically a huge mass of the populace has access to the Internet or some form of information tool...at their fingertips) then I'd imagine we'll see a plateau develop,


BRAINWASHING FOREVER! LONG LIVE THE ILLUMINATI!
 
2014-05-25 09:55:13 PM  

MemeSlave: Honest Bender: Stop breaking the law!

Over in 1.  If you don't want to be young, black, and in jail, don't be a criminal.


It's been said before: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOx6OM01M5M
 
2014-05-25 09:55:17 PM  

King Something: jamspoon: Zombalupagus: Mrbogey: America's prison population is exploding because Americans are becoming more criminal. That's how societal collapse works folks.

Lol wut?

Violent crime is reducing in the UK & Europe too and we do not lock up the same numbers as the US. Some think there is a correlation with the removal of lead from petrol/gas.

All we know is....


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2014-05-25 09:56:20 PM  
We could up the executions, would that make him happy?
 
2014-05-25 09:56:32 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: jaytkay: ?

You mean crime rates, correct?

Incarceration rates also.  See upthread for cites.


WTF?  Here's your incarceration rate "falling for decades".

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2014-05-25 09:57:36 PM  
We really do need to release all of the nonviolent drug offenders and anything related to marijuana.
 
2014-05-25 09:57:49 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: The problem is GNP. Yep you heard that right Gov. Jerry Brown explained it 20 years ago

You have one poor guy making only 12K a year. That's 12k for GNP.

But put him her in prison he makes $0, yet you have to pay people to be guards, you have to pay people to build new prisons. You have to make contracts to feed the guy with food companies/

That one poor guy that's locked up is now provide a whole lot more to the GNP than that measly 12 k.


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2014-05-25 09:58:02 PM  

eiger: Dirty J1:

Multiple instances of minor drug possession Consensual same-sex sodomy (in a state that outlaws it)..... So they did it again.... And again...... And again, knowing full well they shouldn't do it. How many chances do we award people until we have to lock them up to keep them from doing it? 10, 20, 30 chances perhaps? 100 chances? 1,000? If you had maybe said "first time" drug possession consensual same-sex sodomy then I would understand..... But the key word in your argument was "multiple."

A million times b/c there is no good reason to lock someone up simply for using a drug (you get the idea). You and people who think like you are what's wrong w/ America.


/send 'em to jail as a cure for same-sex sodomy - at least the consensual part of it.
 
2014-05-25 09:58:13 PM  
When drugs are legalized they'll have to vote slavery back.
 
2014-05-25 09:58:25 PM  
good luck changing it
incarnating / warehousing humans against their will is big money big business
plus closing prisons will put a LOT of people out of work
 
2014-05-25 09:58:42 PM  

But... this is what we wanted.


For more than three decades, since Saint Ronnie made being "tough on crime" a directive to the cheers of the majority of Americans, we've managed to incarcerate anyone who would dare disturb that status quo. We kept - nay, reinforced - those policies through the presidencies of Bush, Clinton, Dubya, and now Obama. The "War on Drugs", the "War on Immigration", the "War on the Poor" - remember, we don't incarcerate the rich, because they're worth more out of prison. The poor, on the other hand, are a vast labor pool and, thanks to the prison environment & the stigma of being incarcerated, are more likely to come back. The rich and middle class make quite a bit of money off the incarceration and exploitation of the imprisoned, and so, hey, it's just business now.

If this wasn't what we wanted, why did we sign off on it, over and over again, for more than three decades? I mean, other than the "well, that only happens to bad people, so I'm OK with it" canard? Why did we keep electing assholes to office on that very platform? Why do we continue to back assholes who keep pushing for more prisons, faster executions, longer sentences, and more exploitation of prisoners while incarcerated?

Where do we put the blame? That's easy - us. We did this, cheerfully, willfully, and with the idea that we were making a better America. Our crime rate dropped, but in return we've given unprecedented power to law enforcement and made money off imprisoning drug users and hookers, even as white-collar criminals steal billions with not so much as a slap on the wrist. You're more likely to go to prison for stealing $20 than you are $20 million - and we're apparently OK with that, because we've not yet formed a mob to drag out and beat the folks on Wall Street that managed to make billions and billions of our dollars vanish, only to turn up with huge bonuses and knowing grins on their faces.

We did this. We have the power to undo it, as well. How many of you are going to do anything other than complain about it, though?
 
2014-05-25 09:58:42 PM  
simple solution.

every convict is put in isolation. only out for visitations, trials, medical issues
 
2014-05-25 09:59:11 PM  

cchris_39: We really do need to release all of the nonviolent drug offenders and anything related to marijuana.


Wait... you said something reasonable. Am I having a stroke?
 
2014-05-25 09:59:25 PM  
im all for releasing a shiat load of them but good luck finding work.  theyre going to be thrust into a job market that will have a hard time wanting to hire them when so many others are still looking for work. re-integration is going to be tough.
 
2014-05-25 09:59:54 PM  
At first I was like yeah dude MrBogey you are so right farkin Americas farked and going to the criminals where's my gun goddammit and then like whoa there silver thats farkin WRONG who's the stupid one now right what a tool can you believe that guy man that was a massacre down in flames man what was that guy thinking
 
2014-05-25 10:00:05 PM  

Dirty J1: Yeah sure so lets just let them get away with it, no big deal. Why even bother making laws for anything if we don't enforce them. And what do you suppose is an appropriate permanent solution? Rehab? Fines?


How about repealing all drug laws and leaving people alone? Can't have that in the land of the free, can we? A guy sitting in the privacy of his own home, lighting a doob (or even shooting heroin) isn't "getting away" with anything... he's just chilling out. Mind your own business.
 
2014-05-25 10:00:07 PM  

kvinesknows: simple solution.

every convict is put in isolation. only out for visitations, trials, medical issues


That's your solution to what, exactly? Prisoner sanity?
 
2014-05-25 10:01:00 PM  
oops, meant *incarcerating*
I think the new built in spell checker in win7 IE 11 may have did it
 
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