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2014-05-25 07:26:22 PM
Stop breaking the law!
 
2014-05-25 07:28:29 PM
Stop going to Mass!
 
2014-05-25 07:41:12 PM
FTFA: $80 billion a year in direct corrections expenses alone, and more than a quarter-trillion dollars when factoring in police, judicial and legal services.

In other words:

Never. Gonna. Happen.
 
2014-05-25 08:02:34 PM
Everyone is on this bandwagon until a friend/famly-member gets robbed or worse.  Then they want to throw away the key.
 
2014-05-25 08:22:08 PM

TheHighlandHowler: Everyone is on this bandwagon until a friend/famly-member gets robbed or worse.  Then they want to throw away the key.


Fickleness isn't a reason to continue a failed policy.
 
2014-05-25 08:25:48 PM

TheHighlandHowler: Then they want to throw away the key.


Which is why we don't let victims of crime determine the punishment for offenders.
 
2014-05-25 08:29:11 PM
I'm okay with releasing them if we can enforce an exile to another state. If we can toss every gunman, rapist, and burglar from New Orleans into Manhattan, I'd see no problem.

America's prison population is exploding because Americans are becoming more criminal. That's how societal collapse works folks.
 
2014-05-25 08:29:20 PM

TheHighlandHowler: Everyone is on this bandwagon until a friend/famly-member gets robbed or worse.  Then they want to throw away the key.


Well that's why the article specifically points out the number of people who are incarcerated for non-violent crimes.


End Drug Prohibition. It's not a government's role to tell citizens what they can and cannot consume. That alone will drop the number of people incarcerated for non-violent crimes that shouldn't be crimes in the first place. And it will free up space and manpower to deal with the people who are robbing others, or worse.
 
2014-05-25 08:29:26 PM
Not mentioned: abolish for-profit prisons.
 
2014-05-25 08:29:45 PM
End Ridiculous Mass Incarceration Now would make a better acronym, and they could have a furry little mascot.
 
2014-05-25 08:30:35 PM
Burn More Witches!

/speaking of witch, fark you subby for not including a warning about maureen dowd's smug simper being on the page
 
2014-05-25 08:30:45 PM

Mrbogey: I'm okay with releasing them if we can enforce an exile to another state. If we can toss every gunman, rapist, and burglar from New Orleans into Manhattan, I'd see no problem.

America's prison population is exploding because Americans are becoming more criminal. That's how societal collapse works folks.


Bullshiat.

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2014-05-25 08:31:17 PM
The problem is GNP. Yep you heard that right Gov. Jerry Brown explained it 20 years ago

You have one poor guy making only 12K a year. That's 12k for GNP.

But put him her in prison he makes $0, yet you have to pay people to be guards, you have to pay people to build new prisons. You have to make contracts to feed the guy with food companies/

That one poor guy that's locked up is now provide a whole lot more to the GNP than that measly 12 k.
 
2014-05-25 08:31:49 PM
As long as there is such a thing as a For Profit Prison Industry, we will be locking up more people, not less.

Who the fark thought that was a good idea??
 
2014-05-25 08:31:51 PM

Honest Bender: Stop breaking the law!


You probably broke a dozen laws this week and weren't even aware of it.
 
2014-05-25 08:32:17 PM

Mrbogey: I'm okay with releasing them if we can enforce an exile to another state. If we can toss every gunman, rapist, and burglar from New Orleans into Manhattan, I'd see no problem.

America's prison population is exploding because Americans are becoming more criminal. That's how societal collapse works folks.


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http://youtu.be/-tll8ioM4rY
(w/ theme song, natch)
 
2014-05-25 08:33:00 PM

Mrbogey: America's prison population is exploding because Americans are becoming more criminal. That's how societal collapse works folks.


Lol wut?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-05-25 08:33:07 PM
We can't back off now. We have the terrorists, child predators, and violent marijuana rapists on the run!!!
 
2014-05-25 08:33:54 PM

Mrbogey: I'm okay with releasing them if we can enforce an exile to another state. If we can toss every gunman, rapist, and burglar from New Orleans into Manhattan, I'd see no problem.

America's prison population is exploding because Americans are becoming more criminal. That's how societal collapse works folks.


Only if NYC can toss every gunman, rapist and burglar from NY into the French Quarter: fair is fair.

Why are Americans are becoming more criminal?
 
2014-05-25 08:34:08 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: The problem is GNP. Yep you heard that right Gov. Jerry Brown explained it 20 years ago

You have one poor guy making only 12K a year. That's 12k for GNP.

But put him her in prison he makes $0, yet you have to pay people to be guards, you have to pay people to build new prisons. You have to make contracts to feed the guy with food companies/

That one poor guy that's locked up is now provide a whole lot more to the GNP than that measly 12 k.


Which is why pot will never be legalized federally.
 
2014-05-25 08:34:27 PM

fusillade762: Mrbogey: I'm okay with releasing them if we can enforce an exile to another state. If we can toss every gunman, rapist, and burglar from New Orleans into Manhattan, I'd see no problem.

America's prison population is exploding because Americans are becoming more criminal. That's how societal collapse works folks.

Bullshiat.

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Well they can't very well commit violent crime if they're in prison now can they?
 
2014-05-25 08:34:35 PM
Incarcerate ENERGY instead!


/dnrtfa, yet
 
2014-05-25 08:35:33 PM

namegoeshere: As long as there is such a thing as a For Profit Prison Industry, we will be locking up more people, not less.

Who the fark thought that was a good idea??


the people who built the private prisons, duh
 
2014-05-25 08:35:37 PM

Mrbogey: Well they can't very well commit violent crime if they're in prison now can they?


2/10.

Unless you really believe that prison inmates are peaceful saints.
 
2014-05-25 08:35:45 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: The problem is GNP. Yep you heard that right Gov. Jerry Brown explained it 20 years ago

You have one poor guy making only 12K a year. That's 12k for GNP.

But put him her in prison he makes $0, yet you have to pay people to be guards, you have to pay people to build new prisons. You have to make contracts to feed the guy with food companies/

That one poor guy that's locked up is now provide a whole lot more to the GNP than that measly 12 k.


That's just a variation of the broken windows fallacy.  It's nonsense.
 
2014-05-25 08:37:01 PM

taurusowner: TheHighlandHowler: Everyone is on this bandwagon until a friend/famly-member gets robbed or worse.  Then they want to throw away the key.

Well that's why the article specifically points out the number of people who are incarcerated for non-violent crimes.


End Drug Prohibition. It's not a government's role to tell citizens what they can and cannot consume. That alone will drop the number of people incarcerated for non-violent crimes that shouldn't be crimes in the first place. And it will free up space and manpower to deal with the people who are robbing others, or worse.


Amen!
 
2014-05-25 08:37:57 PM

Mrbogey: fusillade762: Mrbogey: I'm okay with releasing them if we can enforce an exile to another state. If we can toss every gunman, rapist, and burglar from New Orleans into Manhattan, I'd see no problem.

America's prison population is exploding because Americans are becoming more criminal. That's how societal collapse works folks.

Bullshiat.

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Well they can't very well commit violent crime if they're in prison now can they?


Bolded to highlight your idiocy.
 
2014-05-25 08:38:02 PM

Mrbogey: I'm okay with releasing them if we can enforce an exile to another state. If we can toss every gunman, rapist, and burglar from New Orleans into Manhattan, I'd see no problem.

America's prison population is exploding because Americans are becoming more criminalwe're locking up shiatloads of people because of our ridiculous drug laws, corrupt legal system, and the for-profit prison industry. That's how societal collapse a police state works folks.

 
2014-05-25 08:38:12 PM

fusillade762: Not mentioned: abolish for-profit prisons.


Amen to this too!
 
2014-05-25 08:38:13 PM

The One True TheDavid: Mrbogey: Well they can't very well commit violent crime if they're in prison now can they?

2/10.

Unless you really believe that prison inmates are peaceful saints.


But then they are only criming at other criminals, and people are okay with that.  Sort of like how prison rape is the only acceptable form of rape.  Hell, some people cheer for it if we are talking about the right brand of prisoner.
 
2014-05-25 08:38:14 PM

TheOther: Mrbogey: I'm okay with releasing them if we can enforce an exile to another state. If we can toss every gunman, rapist, and burglar from New Orleans into Manhattan, I'd see no problem.

America's prison population is exploding because Americans are becoming more criminal. That's how societal collapse works folks.

Only if NYC can toss every gunman, rapist and burglar from NY into the French Quarter: fair is fair.

Why are Americans are becoming more criminal?


If I may make a modest proposal that I think will be agreeable to all:

Toss every gunman, rapist, and burglar from NY and NO into Texas.  Give them a CCW permit.  Wipe hands on pants.
 
2014-05-25 08:38:36 PM

Mrbogey: I'm okay with releasing them if we can enforce an exile to another state. If we can toss every gunman, rapist, and burglar from New Orleans into Manhattan, I'd see no problem.

America's prison population is exploding because Americans are becoming more criminal. That's how societal collapse works folks.


Wtf are you on about? Violent crime rates have been dropping like a rock over the last generation. Sorry millenials aren't Generation BTK to support your unfounded beliefs.
 
2014-05-25 08:38:36 PM
It was a jobs program that failed when someone else realized they could use the prisoners as slave cheap labor. Got a city motorpool? Well, the sheriff has a pack of trustees that'll do all your maintenance instead of tax paying businesses. Need to feed thousands of prisoners? Well, this prison farm provides canned food instead of ConAgra. Need furniture for government offices? Here's a series of woodworking shops. More printed forms? Well, why bother getting bids, the prison shop only has two people making a real wage.

Of course, now it would add about three or four million to the unemployed roster. Both prisoners and guards and lawyers and narcs. Might have to resort to special facilities where people get sent when the can't afford their oxygen rations.
 
2014-05-25 08:40:10 PM

Honest Bender: Stop breaking the law!


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/made sure this was covered
//carry on
 
2014-05-25 08:40:43 PM

Zombalupagus: Mrbogey: America's prison population is exploding because Americans are becoming more criminal. That's how societal collapse works folks.

Lol wut?

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It's called an inverse relationship

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2014-05-25 08:43:19 PM
Expand death penalty crimes list, Streamline Execution process, begin progressive training at the academy for law enforcement so Judges can take to the streets. Put Dredd in charge he'll sort things out.
 
2014-05-25 08:44:26 PM

Cobblestone Flag: Wtf are you on about? Violent crime rates have been dropping like a rock over the last generation. Sorry millenials aren't Generation BTK to support your unfounded beliefs.


Oh well by all means we should let people who were put in jail back during that drop in crime right back out where they'll become productive members of society. It's a tragedy that we keep crackheads from being productive members of the community.
 
2014-05-25 08:44:39 PM

Zombalupagus: Mrbogey: America's prison population is exploding because Americans are becoming more criminal. That's how societal collapse works folks.

Lol wut?

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news.bbcimg.co.uk

Violent crime is reducing in the UK & Europe too and we do not lock up the same numbers as the US. Some think there is a correlation with the removal of lead from petrol/gas.
 
2014-05-25 08:46:44 PM

jamspoon: Zombalupagus: Mrbogey: America's prison population is exploding because Americans are becoming more criminal. That's how societal collapse works folks.

Lol wut?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 413x297]

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Violent crime is reducing in the UK & Europe too and we do not lock up the same numbers as the US. Some think there is a correlation with the removal of lead from petrol/gas.


All we know is....
 
2014-05-25 08:47:06 PM
Isn't mass incarceration already ending? The "sent to prison rate" has been dropping like a stone since 2006.

http://www.samefacts.com/2014/01/drug-policy/u-s-prison-admissions-a re -at-a-two-decade-low/

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/press/p12acpr.cfm

Which is not to say we shoudn't keep at it...
 
2014-05-25 08:47:50 PM
MASS CARNATION

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2014-05-25 08:47:59 PM

Mrbogey: Zombalupagus: Mrbogey: America's prison population is exploding because Americans are becoming more criminal. That's how societal collapse works folks.

Lol wut?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 413x297]

It's called an inverse relationship


Sooo....putting people in prison affects crime rates 14 years in the future, gotcha.
 
2014-05-25 08:49:12 PM

namegoeshere: As long as there is such a thing as a For Profit Prison Industry, we will be locking up more people, not less.

Who the fark thought that was a good idea??


the politicians who invest in them?
 
2014-05-25 08:49:15 PM

Mrbogey: America's prison population is exploding because Americans are becoming more criminal.


imageshack.com
 
2014-05-25 08:52:29 PM
Convert mass into energy!
 
2014-05-25 08:52:54 PM
The accelerating decline of an empire.
 
2014-05-25 08:53:23 PM

jamspoon: Zombalupagus: Mrbogey: America's prison population is exploding because Americans are becoming more criminal. That's how societal collapse works folks.

Lol wut?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 413x297]



Violent crime is reducing in the UK & Europe too and we do not lock up the same numbers as the US. Some think there is a correlation with the removal of lead from petrol/gas.


The lead vs. violence graph matches up wayyyy closer than his inverse relationship.
 
2014-05-25 08:53:33 PM

TheHighlandHowler: Everyone is on this bandwagon until a friend/famly-member gets robbed or worse.  Then they want to throw away the key.


Yes, I'm sure that's why there are so many in prison for non-violent offenses. Are there shades of grey in your world? Any form of nuance at all?
 
2014-05-25 08:55:43 PM

Honest Bender: Stop breaking the law!


stop hitting yourself...stop hitting yourself...
 
2014-05-25 08:55:51 PM
Just think of all those livers and kidneys we could harvest?

/ LONG imprisonment should have a price associated with it.

// not just three meals, a bed, education and a workout room. ... and all that sex!
 
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