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2014-05-25 08:46:44 PM
 "I think the show had lost a certain amount of torque," he said. "Just inherently because of how long we'd done it, because of the storytelling capital we'd spent, because our writers may have been gassed.

Good for him realizing the last few seasons were shiat, too.
 
2014-05-25 10:13:07 PM
I think I stopped watching partway through season 7...but damn the first 4-5 seasons were awesome.  I'm glad I missed the last few...or as those that kept watching said..you didn't miss the last couple seasons.
 
2014-05-25 10:14:41 PM
I lost interest during Season 4.  Even John Lithgow couldn't make me want to watch.  I did finish the season, but never saw another ep.  I assume I got out while the getting was good?
 
2014-05-25 10:21:18 PM
Still cashed his check, though.

// Only saw the first 5 seasons.
// Now that they're all on Netflix, I will probably get around to catching up.
 
2014-05-25 10:40:09 PM
Why are people stopping him on the street busting his balls about the show? He didn't write the thing.

/the finale did kind of suck
 
2014-05-25 11:19:38 PM
I liked him more in The Breakfast Club.
 
2014-05-25 11:25:33 PM
The show suffered from the unfortunate combination of being dragged on too long because of network decisions to wring more money out of the franchise and also having their final season going up against Breaking Bad, which outclassed it in every way a drama can.

I guess if there's an upside, maybe Saul can help out a mysterious drifter lumberjack with some of his legal problems in Better Call Saul...
 
2014-05-25 11:31:07 PM
This is an interesting pattern I've noticed with shows about criminals:

Sopranos - ends with Tony maybe alive, maybe not. Response runs so-so to negative.
Dexter - ends with Dexter alive. Response overwhelmingly negative.
Breaking Bad - ends with Walter definitely dead. Did not hear a negative remark about it.

Why did you waste all those years waiting to see some guy die?
 
2014-05-25 11:32:39 PM

Demetrius: I liked him more in The Breakfast Club.


Johnny Be Good was one of my favorites.
 
2014-05-25 11:34:16 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: I lost interest during Season 4.  Even John Lithgow couldn't make me want to watch.  I did finish the season, but never saw another ep.  I assume I got out while the getting was good?


I dunno.  I liked season 5, though I am in the minority on that one.  Season 6 was terrible.  Season 7 was decent.  Season 8 was just plain dumb.

The series finale was one of the worst I've ever seen.  Well, OK, it was mostly good.  It was only in the last 10 minutes or so that it went from "Oh wow, it's nice that they are tying up loose ends" to "OMFG WHAT DID THEY DO THAT FOR?".
 
2014-05-25 11:42:59 PM

Anonymous Bosch: This is an interesting pattern I've noticed with shows about criminals:

Sopranos - ends with Tony maybe alive, maybe not. Response runs so-so to negative.
Dexter - ends with Dexter alive. Response overwhelmingly negative.
Breaking Bad - ends with Walter definitely dead. Did not hear a negative remark about it.

Why did you waste all those years waiting to see some guy die?


I was never a Sopranos fan, but it's understandable why the "cut to black" would be controversial; you let people read into it what they like.

The reception of Dexter's finale had a lot more to do with the fact that the show just had so many better ways to deal with the character or see him complete some arc, but instead we get an ending utterly out of left-field and totally unsatisfying in the context of where the series has been. The outcry here was more about missed opportunities and poor writing choices than anything else, as there were many previous seasons that would have lent themselves better to crafting an end for Dexter's saga, instead of the really lame last few seasons pushed out by showrunners desperate to keep revenue flowing.

Breaking Bad was satisfying because from the very first episode, Walt was given a death sentence. Even though he went into remission later, his moral arc had already made it somewhat obvious that there was unlikely to be a happy ending for him. It was all but certain he would either wind up dying or losing everything that made his life worth living, but how he got to the end still needed to be well-told and developed, and it was. Breaking Bad is some of the best evidence out there that it's always better to end a series with a developed and completed story rather than try and stretch it out longer than it needs to be in the name of getting more money. They could have pushed for more seasons of Breaking Bad, and I'm certain that there were people at AMC and on the show that probably felt the same way, but they chose to go out with dignity instead of stretching for more cash like so many series have done.
 
2014-05-25 11:46:32 PM
 "I think the show had lost a certain amount of torque," he said. "Just inherently because of how long we'd done it, because of the storytelling capital we'd spent, because our writers may have been gassed. "

He was a damned executive producer on the show.
It sounds like he was saying, "Yea the latter seasons weren't up to snuff, but y'know, I wasn't going to give up the paycheck so long as Showtime was willing to write it."
 
2014-05-26 12:08:31 AM

slayer199: I think I stopped watching partway through season 7...but damn the first 4-5 seasons were awesome.  I'm glad I missed the last few...or as those that kept watching said..you didn't miss the last couple seasons.


People hated season 5 because of Julia Stiles, but I thought it was one of the better ones.  The less said about season 6, the better.
 
2014-05-26 12:12:11 AM
Hm let me just dump my sisters dead body over board so that she can be shark food.

Were they high when they wrote the script?
 
2014-05-26 12:13:25 AM

Anonymous Bosch: This is an interesting pattern I've noticed with shows about criminals:

Sopranos - ends with Tony maybe alive, maybe not. Response runs so-so to negative.
Dexter - ends with Dexter alive. Response overwhelmingly negative.
Breaking Bad - ends with Walter definitely dead. Did not hear a negative remark about it.

Why did you waste all those years waiting to see some guy die?


The Shield - finale ends in the most satisfying way possible.
 
2014-05-26 12:15:26 AM
Season 1 of Dexter is imo one of the best seasons of a tv show.
 
2014-05-26 12:15:37 AM
Strolpol:

The reception of Dexter's finale had a lot more to do with the fact that the show just had so many better ways to deal with the character or see him complete some arc, but instead we get an ending utterly out of left-field and totally unsatisfying in the context of where the series has been. The outcry here was more about missed opportunities and poor writing choices than anything else, as there were many previous seasons that would have lent themselves better to crafting an end for Dexter's saga, instead of the really lame last few seasons pushed out by showrunners desperate to keep revenue flowing.


Pretty much all this:  Dexter went from it's pinnacle of Season 4 - The Lithgow season - that it was going to be a tough row to hoe just following that.  It became apparent that 'Dontgiveashiat' ran amok throughout the writing team...and it was barely phoned in at that.

FTA: " "I thought it was narratively satisfying-but it was not so savory."  - in what effing universe is the whole lumberjack shiat 'narratively satisfying?
 
2014-05-26 12:15:58 AM
What's with the season x stuff?  The show peaked with John Lithgow, then spiraled down until somebody flushed the toilet with the last season.  I have no idea what happened in a season, tell me the story arc they told.

/ the last season sucked
// the last ep sucked the proverbial golf ball through the proverbial garden hose
/// Tom Hank's son was actually good, but that season wasn't
//// good, that is
 
2014-05-26 12:24:40 AM
Collin Hanks killed Dexter

The best finales were:

Six Feet Under (even though the last couple seasons sucked)
The Shield
The Wire

in no specific ordef
 
2014-05-26 12:42:49 AM

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Collin Hanks killed Dexter

The best finales were:

Six Feet Under (even though the last couple seasons sucked)
The Shield
The Wire

in no specific ordef


I can haz newzletter?

/Worst season finale was Deadwood.
//Anyone who disagrees is a cawksucker.
 
2014-05-26 12:44:11 AM

ontariolightning: Season 1 of Dexter is imo one of the best seasons of a tv show.


Yeah I stopped watching after Season 2. Nothing was going to top that first season. Dexter started caring about people instead of faking it. Didn't make sense for the character. So they brought in more weirdos and the show was no longer even about Dexter.
 
2014-05-26 12:45:15 AM
If Dexter had gotten caught, or been killed, committed suicide, or even left Miami with Hanah and his son, it would have been a much better series ender than him driving his farkin' boat right into a farkin' hurricane and then becoming a farkin' lumberjack.
 
2014-05-26 01:05:47 AM

Lsherm: slayer199: I think I stopped watching partway through season 7...but damn the first 4-5 seasons were awesome.  I'm glad I missed the last few...or as those that kept watching said..you didn't miss the last couple seasons.

People hated season 5 because of Julia Stiles, but I thought it was one of the better ones.  The less said about season 6, the better.


I had hopes for Season 5 (Barrel Girls Killers), mainly because I find motivation speakers weird and creepy in general, but the whole Barrel Girls thing didn't really pan out.  I did like Julia Stiles' character, though.

I really like Edward James Olmos, so I forced my way through season six (Doomsday Killers).  It just seemed forced, and trying too hard.

I barely remember Season 7 (Russia Mafia).  I had it on in the background on Netflix, and it just never caught my interest.

Season 8 (Brain Surgeon) was mostly a "might as well finish the damn thing."
 
2014-05-26 01:13:58 AM
They should have brought back Doakes,

they should have never killed off laguerta.

And the 2 of them w/ deb should have taken dexter down
 
2014-05-26 01:29:33 AM

MurphyMurphy: They should have brought back Doakes,


I always felt they killed off Doakes way too early.  It was interesting having someone around who completely saw through Dexter's act, and wasn't shy about saying so.
 
2014-05-26 01:46:03 AM
1, 2 & 4 were good. Even 5 was decent. Rest was terrible.
 
2014-05-26 01:57:04 AM

Sgt Otter: MurphyMurphy: They should have brought back Doakes,

I always felt they killed off Doakes way too early.  It was interesting having someone around who completely saw through Dexter's act, and wasn't shy about saying so.


In my alternate dexter universe he wins over doakes and they, along with the russian hitman and poison ivy form a crime-fighting group.
 
2014-05-26 01:57:22 AM
The lumberjack thing wasn't completely out of the blue- he'd made references to it as his escape plan previously.  The problem with it is that it runs completely contrary to the character as he had developed over the course of the show.  Sure, Season 2 or 3 Dexter could have bugged out and gone a'logging.  But, given the lengths to which the show had gone to show us how Dexter does care about his son, it just feels unbelievable.

Maybe they were going for a "He abandoned his son to protect him from the darkness that always hurts those around him" vibe, with him crying at his kitchen table in the last shot because he's sad to be away from his son, but knows he has to be, but I didn't get that feeling from the scene, episode, or season.  Honestly, if he wanted to protect his son from the darkness, he shouldn't have left his son with another frikken serial killer.

Honestly, if he wanted what was best for his son, he should have transferred guardianship to Angel (or possibly his daughter (whose name I don't currently recall))
 
2014-05-26 02:12:14 AM

ontariolightning: Anonymous Bosch: This is an interesting pattern I've noticed with shows about criminals:

Sopranos - ends with Tony maybe alive, maybe not. Response runs so-so to negative.
Dexter - ends with Dexter alive. Response overwhelmingly negative.
Breaking Bad - ends with Walter definitely dead. Did not hear a negative remark about it.

Why did you waste all those years waiting to see some guy die?

The Shield - finale ends in the most satisfying way possible.


God yes, I really did like The Shield's ending.  Vic is like a cockroach: you just can't squash him. He'll survive almost anything and come out alive, though maybe not uninjured.  Other people, not so much. He deserved his exile to paperwork hell and obscurity, probably deserved some jail time, but Vic Mackey still with a badge is not the worst thing that could happen.  I would have been much more pissed if he'd gotten killed.

As for the ending of Dexter, the strongest defense I've heard of it comes from a friend of mine who is clinically insane in a variety of ways.  Most relevant, she has nearly all of Dexter's moral flexibility, atypical emotions, and enjoyment of violence and murder, though without the actual NEED to kill (hence why she's not institutionalized).  I warned her about the Dexter finale, but she actually found it quite fitting.  Why?  Because in that situation she would have done roughly the same thing.  In fact she apparently anticipated him doing something similar (though not the specifics) given the way things were unfolding.

Dumping Deb's body in particular she was able to shed some light on: murder is an intimate act, arguably the most intimate act for that type of person, and much as Dexter may have held contempt for his victims they were still very special to him.  Putting her in the water where he dumped the rest of his victims was not merely an acknowledgement of his partial guilt in her demise, it was his own warped, touching way of honoring her, showing how truly special she was to him by engaging in his most treasured type of intimacy with her.  This way, Deb became a part of his life's work forever, rather than simply an unfortunate victim of it.

Still, when you have to be clinically insane to understand a series finale then you might want to rework the plot a bit.
 
2014-05-26 02:23:55 AM
I've said it before and I'll say it again...if the Dexter finale had ended with a voiceover of him saying "tonight's the night" as the camera zoomed in on his face, it would have been a less shiatty ending that made a bit more sense.
 
2014-05-26 02:27:38 AM

Jorn the Younger: The lumberjack thing wasn't completely out of the blue- he'd made references to it as his escape plan previously.  The problem with it is that it runs completely contrary to the character as he had developed over the course of the show.  Sure, Season 2 or 3 Dexter could have bugged out and gone a'logging.  But, given the lengths to which the show had gone to show us how Dexter does care about his son, it just feels unbelievable.

Maybe they were going for a "He abandoned his son to protect him from the darkness that always hurts those around him" vibe, with him crying at his kitchen table in the last shot because he's sad to be away from his son, but knows he has to be, but I didn't get that feeling from the scene, episode, or season.  Honestly, if he wanted to protect his son from the darkness, he shouldn't have left his son with another frikken serial killer.

Honestly, if he wanted what was best for his son, he should have transferred guardianship to Angel (or possibly his daughter (whose name I don't currently recall))


She wasn't a serial killer.
 
2014-05-26 03:02:14 AM
Of course the series finale sucked, hell the entire last season sucked because they refused to give the viewers the resolution we wanted. And that is Yvonne Strahovski topless
 
2014-05-26 03:12:34 AM

Smackledorfer: Jorn the Younger: The lumberjack thing wasn't completely out of the blue- he'd made references to it as his escape plan previously.  The problem with it is that it runs completely contrary to the character as he had developed over the course of the show.  Sure, Season 2 or 3 Dexter could have bugged out and gone a'logging.  But, given the lengths to which the show had gone to show us how Dexter does care about his son, it just feels unbelievable.

Maybe they were going for a "He abandoned his son to protect him from the darkness that always hurts those around him" vibe, with him crying at his kitchen table in the last shot because he's sad to be away from his son, but knows he has to be, but I didn't get that feeling from the scene, episode, or season.  Honestly, if he wanted to protect his son from the darkness, he shouldn't have left his son with another frikken serial killer.

Honestly, if he wanted what was best for his son, he should have transferred guardianship to Angel (or possibly his daughter (whose name I don't currently recall))

She wasn't a serial killer.


When I watched the series a couple of months ago, I got the impression she had fatally poisoned multiple people.  She might not have the same "drive to kill" compulsion that Dexter has, but she is a killer as much as he.
 
2014-05-26 03:17:39 AM

Sgt Otter: MurphyMurphy: They should have brought back Doakes,

I always felt they killed off Doakes way too early.  It was interesting having someone around who completely saw through Dexter's act, and wasn't shy about saying so.


If the Dexter writers were better than fourth-rate hacks Doakes would have been a constant pain in Dexter's side until he was flipped at some point during the series.  Instead, Showtime hired idiots.
 
2014-05-26 04:48:44 AM
That show died with Doakes.

Those stupid farks tore the heart out of their show because they couldn't think of anything better to do.

/and then the show was reincarnated as a piece of shiat
 
2014-05-26 04:59:02 AM

Summer Glau's Love Slave: IamKaiserSoze!!!: Collin Hanks killed Dexter

The best finales were:

Six Feet Under (even though the last couple seasons sucked)
The Shield
The Wire

in no specific ordef

I can haz newzletter?

/Worst season finale was Deadwood.
//Anyone who disagrees is a cawksucker.



Deadwood didn't have a finale. HBO decided not to renew it for a fourth season because they didn't want to pay for 3 mega-budget shows, and I guess they thought Rome was a better bet.

Then of course, there were supposed to be 2 movies that would serve as the finale, but HBO, in their infinite wisdom, decided the money would be better spent dropping $150 million to make the Sex and the City movies. Profitable, sure. But shameful.
 
2014-05-26 05:13:37 AM

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Collin Hanks killed Dexter

The best finales were:

Six Feet Under (even though the last couple seasons sucked)
The Shield
The Wire

in no specific ordef



Those shows worked because the creators had story arcs outlined from the start. I remember reading that Alan Ball specifically told HBO they'd get five seasons of Six Feet Under, and it's over.

Roughly the same thing happened with The Shield, although they did stretch it out from the planned 6 seasons to 7, but it didn't really hurt the story, and in fact, helped build the tensions between the leads.

It's good when shows decide not to wear out their welcome. Although I am worried now that networks will start following the Breaking Bad/Mad Men route, and chop final seasons in half to stretch it over 2 years. That seems like a punk move.
 
2014-05-26 06:02:13 AM
Dexter got really monotonous after a while, but there's only so many ways you can lead up to someone being wrapped in plastic, being stabbed, and thrown overboard.

Season 7 was my favorite just because it broke that up a bit.
 
2014-05-26 07:11:48 AM

Jorn the Younger: The lumberjack thing wasn't completely out of the blue- he'd made references to it as his escape plan previously.  The problem with it is that it runs completely contrary to the character as he had developed over the course of the show.  Sure, Season 2 or 3 Dexter could have bugged out and gone a'logging.  But, given the lengths to which the show had gone to show us how Dexter does care about his son, it just feels unbelievable.

Maybe they were going for a "He abandoned his son to protect him from the darkness that always hurts those around him" vibe, with him crying at his kitchen table in the last shot because he's sad to be away from his son, but knows he has to be, but I didn't get that feeling from the scene, episode, or season.  Honestly, if he wanted to protect his son from the darkness, he shouldn't have left his son with another frikken serial killer.

Honestly, if he wanted what was best for his son, he should have transferred guardianship to Angel (or possibly his daughter (whose name I don't currently recall))


I find it somewhat odd that people harp on the lumberjack thing; if anything I thought it was par for the course for a really farking bad final season. I think the problem with the final episode was that it felt like they had the ending in place, but connected the dots after the fact and did so in a way that largely relied on every character acting like idiots to force the plot along.


BeatrixK: Dexter went from it's pinnacle of Season 4 - The Lithgow season - that it was going to be a tough row to hoe just following that.


I actually wonder if they wrote themselves into a corner with Harrison's birth and Rita's death. Granted, better writers (and the writing staff did change after season 4)  could've worked around that, but both issues seemed to be largely handwaved away for convenience when the intentionally-set limits that both characters brought didn't quite lead to anything interesting; maybe if they had spaced out both events instead of having them occur within the same season practically?
 
2014-05-26 07:21:00 AM

Jorn the Younger: Smackledorfer: Jorn the Younger: The lumberjack thing wasn't completely out of the blue- he'd made references to it as his escape plan previously.  The problem with it is that it runs completely contrary to the character as he had developed over the course of the show.  Sure, Season 2 or 3 Dexter could have bugged out and gone a'logging.  But, given the lengths to which the show had gone to show us how Dexter does care about his son, it just feels unbelievable.

Maybe they were going for a "He abandoned his son to protect him from the darkness that always hurts those around him" vibe, with him crying at his kitchen table in the last shot because he's sad to be away from his son, but knows he has to be, but I didn't get that feeling from the scene, episode, or season.  Honestly, if he wanted to protect his son from the darkness, he shouldn't have left his son with another frikken serial killer.

Honestly, if he wanted what was best for his son, he should have transferred guardianship to Angel (or possibly his daughter (whose name I don't currently recall))

She wasn't a serial killer.

When I watched the series a couple of months ago, I got the impression she had fatally poisoned multiple people.  She might not have the same "drive to kill" compulsion that Dexter has, but she is a killer as much as he.


She still doesn't meet any definition of serial killer (which doesn't mean anyone murders multiple people).

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_killer
 
2014-05-26 07:35:51 AM

Smackledorfer: She still doesn't meet any definition of serial killer (which doesn't mean anyone murders multiple people).

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_killer


I stand, er... sit corrected

I still think the Batista family would have been better surrogate parents for Harrison.
 
2014-05-26 08:38:20 AM
It could have ended pretty much the same way had they made one little change:


WARNING: SPOILERS FOLLOW


When they show Hannah and Harrison in Buenos Aires, it should be some time later than they actually do in the finale.  Hannah talks to Harrison about how much his daddy loved him, and how she's not sure when he'll get there, but she knows in her hear he's always watching over them, then walks away from the sidewalk cafe with Harrison.  As they leave, they pass a man reading a newspaper at another table.  The headline is about a series of gruesome murders in Argentina  He lowers the paper and.....
 
2014-05-26 08:52:44 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-05-26 09:01:36 AM

AtlanticCoast63: It could have ended pretty much the same way had they made one little change:


WARNING: SPOILERS FOLLOW


When they show Hannah and Harrison in Buenos Aires, it should be some time later than they actually do in the finale.  Hannah talks to Harrison about how much his daddy loved him, and how she's not sure when he'll get there, but she knows in her hear he's always watching over them, then walks away from the sidewalk cafe with Harrison.  As they leave, they pass a man reading a newspaper at another table.  The headline is about a series of gruesome murders in Argentina  He lowers the paper and.....


...Christian Bale?
 
2014-05-26 09:04:52 AM

Kid Shelleen: AtlanticCoast63: It could have ended pretty much the same way had they made one little change:


WARNING: SPOILERS FOLLOW


When they show Hannah and Harrison in Buenos Aires, it should be some time later than they actually do in the finale.  Hannah talks to Harrison about how much his daddy loved him, and how she's not sure when he'll get there, but she knows in her hear he's always watching over them, then walks away from the sidewalk cafe with Harrison.  As they leave, they pass a man reading a newspaper at another table.  The headline is about a series of gruesome murders in Argentina  He lowers the paper and.....

...Christian Bale?


....Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.....but I like your thinking.  Have your people call my people, we'll do brunch.
 
2014-05-26 09:15:57 AM
I honestly thought the final episode - and even the whole final season - was OK until the last 10 minutes. The moment Dexter goes to the hospital to see Deb one last time is when the show went pants-on-head retarded.
 
2014-05-26 09:18:25 AM

Jorn the Younger: The lumberjack thing wasn't completely out of the blue- he'd made references to it as his escape plan previously.


When did he do that? I don't recall that. But then again maybe I just missed it.
 
2014-05-26 09:25:47 AM

Anonymous Bosch: This is an interesting pattern I've noticed with shows about criminals:

Sopranos - ends with Tony maybe alive, maybe not. Response runs so-so to negative.
Dexter - ends with Dexter alive. Response overwhelmingly negative.
Breaking Bad - ends with Walter definitely dead. Did not hear a negative remark about it.

Why did you waste all those years waiting to see some guy die?


Generally speaking people want resolution. Walter dead, definitive resolution. Tony cut to black, less than zero resolution.  Dexter...the reason people hate that really doesn't have anything to do with Dexter being alive or not. It was like someone came in and said 'ok, we've got 40$ to produce this last episode, a half hour to write it, and I've got to be in Philly for lunch, so let's just knock out what we can'.
 
2014-05-26 09:31:20 AM
Wild idea: Dexter in his prime vs Mads Mikkelsen's Hannibal Lecter-battle of the serial killer stars!
 
2014-05-26 09:41:04 AM

BMFPitt: Still cashed his check, though.

// Only saw the first 5 seasons.
// Now that they're all on Netflix, I will probably get around to catching up.


I really hate that argument. As if he shouldn't be compensated for the work he did even though he didn't like the job.

A lot of people hate their job and still cash their checks.
 
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