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(The New York Times)   Success story: Cuban immigrant receives US citizenship. Fark: 50 years after he immigrated, served in the US military, held two state and two federal jobs and voted in every election since 1976   (nytimes.com) divider line 151
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2014-05-25 01:51:39 PM
If the story ever makes faux nuze it will probably be as voter fraud.
 
2014-05-25 02:57:00 PM

oldernell: If the story ever makes faux nuze it will probably be as voter fraud.


Republicans don't care when old Cubans vote illegally because they usually vote Republican.
 
2014-05-25 02:59:20 PM

oldernell: If the story ever makes faux nuze it will probably be as voter fraud.


Only if he's a Democrat, otherwise it'll be a story about how Obummer screwed him.
 
2014-05-25 04:07:50 PM
Wait, we allow immigrants to vote?  I'm all for giving them basic human protections such as a right to due process (hilariously assuming any of us get that anymore) and such, but isn't voting the main perk of citizenship?
 
2014-05-25 04:07:54 PM
So he's been mooching off the government for 50 years, and then we grant him citizenship? No wonder this country is in the shiatter.
 
2014-05-25 04:08:39 PM
He's been voting without being a citizen? Why isn't he in a federal penitentiary?
 
2014-05-25 04:10:46 PM
I guess he can run for president now. I mean why not if Ted Cruz can.
 
2014-05-25 04:11:39 PM

oldernell: If the story ever makes faux nuze it will probably be as voter fraud.


He's Cuban, not Mexican. No doubt they are fapping to this story already.
 
2014-05-25 04:13:26 PM

cretinbob: oldernell: If the story ever makes faux nuze it will probably be as voter fraud.

Only if he's a Democrat, otherwise it'll be a story about how Obummer screwed him.


It sounds like the Immigration department really farked up on this one. It almost sounds like somebody misplaced his records.

*rereads article* Yep, sounds like his parents didn't file the right paperwork for him. I'm wondering how his background checks never turned up that he wasn't naturalized. And, isn't military service a guaranteed naturalization?

/ somebody screwed up bad
 
2014-05-25 04:14:36 PM
Voter fraud.
 
2014-05-25 04:16:20 PM

oldernell: If the story ever makes faux nuze it will probably be as voter fraud.


Has he been fraudulently voting since the 1976 election?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

/that aside, what a great story!
 
2014-05-25 04:20:14 PM
Cuban?  He must be a commie!  Can't have them voting in our elections!!

Seriously though, INS needs a serious overhaul if this guy was denied for more than the time it took to check his veteran status.
 
2014-05-25 04:21:12 PM

dragonchild: Wait, we allow immigrants to vote?  I'm all for giving them basic human protections such as a right to due process (hilariously assuming any of us get that anymore) and such, but isn't voting the main perk of citizenship?


Not sure if you're trolling...

But just in case; no, immigrants cannot vote, or rather, should not vote. In some sates/counties there isn't really a bring proof of 'citizenship' so anyone can say they are and vote. In this case however, he's probably known in his community for decades (also as a veteran) so I could see how they wouldn't ask him for citizenship proof to vote.

Also, he DIDNT KNOW he wasn't a citizen, he assumed his parents did all that paperwork for him when he was a child, and then when he enlisted and afterwards when he was working for the federal government none of the background checks said he wasn't so he never questioned it. Pretty sure if one of those checks came out 40 years ago saying he wasn't he would've adjusted his status (and as a veteran is even easier).
 
2014-05-25 04:21:53 PM

iheartscotch: I'm wondering how his background checks never turned up that he wasn't naturalized.


I'd bet the investigators just saw that he's a refugee and assumed someone else had already looked at the paper work.
 
2014-05-25 04:22:44 PM
WHAT.  Illegal immigrant committing voter fraud?  Throw his beener ass in jail, dammit!  This proves Obama cheated to win.
 
2014-05-25 04:24:19 PM
But I've been assured by multiple media sources and Fark that non-citizens voting in our elections doesn't happen and thus voter ID requirements are completely unnecessary...
 
2014-05-25 04:25:35 PM

Satanic_Hamster: WHAT.  Illegal immigrant committing voter fraud?  Throw his beener ass in jail, dammit!  This proves Obama cheated to win.


I've been told over and over on Fark that voter fraud doesn't exist.  This story must be complete fantasy.
 
2014-05-25 04:27:34 PM

Callous: I've been told over and over on Fark that voter fraud doesn't exist.


Truly this one man has destroyed our democracy
 
2014-05-25 04:28:38 PM

mark12A: But I've been assured by multiple media sources and Fark that non-citizens voting in our elections doesn't happen and thus voter ID requirements are completely unnecessary...


It sounds like even that wouldn't have stopped him from voting.
 
2014-05-25 04:31:18 PM

mark12A: But I've been assured by multiple media sources and Fark that non-citizens voting in our elections doesn't happen and thus voter ID requirements are completely unnecessary...


Would have made 0 difference in this case.
 
2014-05-25 04:34:17 PM

iheartscotch:  And, isn't military service a guaranteed naturalization?



ih0.redbubble.net

/hotlinked
 
2014-05-25 04:34:43 PM

maq0r: dragonchild: Wait, we allow immigrants to vote?  I'm all for giving them basic human protections such as a right to due process (hilariously assuming any of us get that anymore) and such, but isn't voting the main perk of citizenship?

Not sure if you're trolling...

But just in case; no, immigrants cannot vote, or rather, should not vote. In some sates/counties there isn't really a bring proof of 'citizenship' so anyone can say they are and vote. In this case however, he's probably known in his community for decades (also as a veteran) so I could see how they wouldn't ask him for citizenship proof to vote.

Also, he DIDNT KNOW he wasn't a citizen, he assumed his parents did all that paperwork for him when he was a child, and then when he enlisted and afterwards when he was working for the federal government none of the background checks said he wasn't so he never questioned it. Pretty sure if one of those checks came out 40 years ago saying he wasn't he would've adjusted his status (and as a veteran is even easier).


Ariel Castro was known in his neighborhood too...
 
2014-05-25 04:35:18 PM

iheartscotch: I'm wondering how his background checks never turned up that he wasn't naturalized. And, isn't military service a guaranteed naturalization?



Eh, before everything was computerized there was a lot of stuff that slipped right through the cracks.  Many people signed for military service before they were old enough based upon a fake DOB that they gave, and never got caught.

And no, military service doesn't guarantee naturalization.  It helps and can put it on a fast track, but you can still do military service, be discharged, and then do something criminal that gets your green card revoked and gets you deported.
 
2014-05-25 04:37:59 PM
I can see it now; Republicans will use this timeline and his actions as individual requirements in drafting their immigration reform bill.
 
2014-05-25 04:39:43 PM

mark12A: voter ID requirements are completely unnecessary...


Otherwise going forward in order to vote you will need to purchase the delay voter ID. Contact me.
 
2014-05-25 04:40:02 PM

iheartscotch: cretinbob: oldernell: If the story ever makes faux nuze it will probably be as voter fraud.

Only if he's a Democrat, otherwise it'll be a story about how Obummer screwed him.

It sounds like the Immigration department really farked up on this one. It almost sounds like somebody misplaced his records.

*rereads article* Yep, sounds like his parents didn't file the right paperwork .for him. I'm wondering how his background checks never turned up that he wasn't naturalized. And, isn't military service a guaranteed naturalization?

/ somebody screwed up bad


There's also the whole haing served in the military thing and having fled from Cuba. I think it's more something got lost in the transfer from paper to computer records.

But yeah, it's just a paperwork farkup and not some huge scandal.
 
2014-05-25 04:42:02 PM

ReverendJynxed: He's been voting without being a citizen? Why isn't he in a federal penitentiary?


Laws against voting without being a citizen typically require knowledge that you don't have the right to vote.  For example, here's Ohio's:

No person shall knowingly register or make application or attempt to register in a precinct in which the person is not a qualified voter; or knowingly aid or abet any person to so register; or attempt to register or knowingly induce or attempt to induce any person to so register; or knowingly impersonate another or write or assume the name of another, real or fictitious, in registering or attempting to register; or by false statement or other unlawful means procure, aid, or attempt to procure the erasure or striking out on the register or duplicate list of the name of a qualified elector therein; or knowingly induce or attempt to induce a registrar or other election authority to refuse registration in a precinct to an elector thereof; or knowingly swear or affirm falsely upon a lawful examination by or before any registering officer; or make, print, or issue any false or counterfeit certificate of registration or knowingly alter any certificate of registration.

This appears to be Florida's:

FL Stat § 104.16 (2013)
104.16 Voting fraudulent ballot.-Any elector who knowingly votes or attempts to vote a fraudulent ballot, or any person who knowingly solicits, or attempts, to vote a fraudulent ballot, is guilty of a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.


This guy apparently thought he was a citizen, and it appears that it was a reasonable, if incorrect, belief.  Therefore, it's not a crime.
 
2014-05-25 04:42:54 PM

iheartscotch: And, isn't military service a guaranteed naturalization?


No.
 
2014-05-25 04:43:56 PM
Folks born in Cuba and Canada are not American citizens.
 
2014-05-25 04:44:30 PM
Meanwhile, 2,000,000 other Cubans in Miami still won"t learn English...
 
2014-05-25 04:46:06 PM

TanSau: Meanwhile, 2,000,000 other Cubans in Miami still won"t learn English...


From this piece we can assume they all vote for Marco Rubio.
 
2014-05-25 04:46:25 PM
I'm more surprised they didn't immediately deport him.
 
2014-05-25 04:47:02 PM

DarkVader: iheartscotch: And, isn't military service a guaranteed naturalization?

No.


More information:  http://www.uscis.gov/news/fact-sheets/naturalization-through-military - service-fact-sheet
 
2014-05-25 04:48:05 PM
Vote Fraud = Vote Fraud
 
2014-05-25 04:48:20 PM
I hope this doesn't automagically make all his anchor babies instantly citizens too. They need to go through the same exact process he did, just like all the immigrants did when they first came to America.
 
2014-05-25 04:48:23 PM

DarkVader: ReverendJynxed: He's been voting without being a citizen? Why isn't he in a federal penitentiary?

Laws against voting without being a citizen typically require knowledge that you don't have the right to vote.

This guy apparently thought he was a citizen, and it appears that it was a reasonable, if incorrect, belief.  Therefore, it's not a crime.


Depends entirely upon the prosecutor and ICE officials.  The local Filipino community here had a woman married to a US citizen, with a US born kid, and she was processing through naturalization.  When she went to get a driver license the clerk there is required by law to ask people if they want to register to vote, and she registered because she assumed the clerk was telling her it was legal for her to do so.  She voted.  She went to her healthcare job with the "I VOTED" sticker on her shirt and one of her co-workers said "Uh, you're not a citizen.  It is illegal for you to vote?"  And the result of this is that her work authorization was revoked, she was put into deportation proceedings, and her husband is now working an overnight shift stocking shelves at Lowe's to make ends meet and keep the kid.  Her nursing job was the main income for the family and now she is farked, without money for a good lawyer, and will get thrown out of the US while her kid gets to stay with dad because they are both citizens.
 
2014-05-25 04:51:50 PM

oldernell: If the story ever makes faux nuze it will probably be as voter fraud.


um
it was voter fraud
and he was illegally employed
he should have been tossed from the country ... after doing some prison time

/why no, I didnt read the article. but he clearly broke a number of laws. no?
 
2014-05-25 04:56:14 PM

mark12A: But I've been assured by multiple media sources and Fark that non-citizens voting in our elections doesn't happen and thus voter ID requirements are completely unnecessary...


So since this guy was registered to vote and had ID, I guess that would be ineffective.
 
2014-05-25 04:56:27 PM
img.fark.net

Best log in screen I've seen in days
 
2014-05-25 04:56:41 PM
So, he probably voted Bush in 2000 and that means he tipped the election so Gore is automatically president and we never heard of Sarah Palin.
 
2014-05-25 04:57:30 PM
How do you call illegal immigrant who holds federal and state jobs and votes in elections?
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"HEY, OBAMA!"
 
2014-05-25 04:58:48 PM

ReverendJynxed: maq0r: dragonchild: Wait, we allow immigrants to vote?  I'm all for giving them basic human protections such as a right to due process (hilariously assuming any of us get that anymore) and such, but isn't voting the main perk of citizenship?

Not sure if you're trolling...

But just in case; no, immigrants cannot vote, or rather, should not vote. In some sates/counties there isn't really a bring proof of 'citizenship' so anyone can say they are and vote. In this case however, he's probably known in his community for decades (also as a veteran) so I could see how they wouldn't ask him for citizenship proof to vote.

Also, he DIDNT KNOW he wasn't a citizen, he assumed his parents did all that paperwork for him when he was a child, and then when he enlisted and afterwards when he was working for the federal government none of the background checks said he wasn't so he never questioned it. Pretty sure if one of those checks came out 40 years ago saying he wasn't he would've adjusted his status (and as a veteran is even easier).

Ariel Castro was known in his neighborhood too...


Ariel Castro was born in Puerto Rico, not Cuba, which made him a US citizen by birth.
 
2014-05-25 04:59:49 PM

LewDux: How do you call illegal immigrant who holds federal and state jobs and votes in elections?


He is Cuban, He voted Republican straight ticket.
 
2014-05-25 05:03:06 PM
Deport him to Sweden.
 
2014-05-25 05:07:18 PM

mark12A: But I've been assured by multiple media sources and Fark that non-citizens voting in our elections doesn't happen and thus voter ID requirements are completely unnecessary...


Not that no non-citizens vote, a negligible amount of non-citizens do.

There is no organized effort for non-citizens to vote.

And then, voter ID laws would be irrelevant for non-citizens voting because not one law required proof of citizenship, they were about establishing proof of identity to tie to your registration.

Hell, there isn't a single piece of ID that would prove eligibility to vote (there is no ID document that indicates both citizenship and current address).
 
2014-05-25 05:09:16 PM
Pay wall.

Fark, you should know better
 
2014-05-25 05:10:47 PM

The Gordie Howe Hat Trick: Deport him to Sweden.


He'd have to convert to Islam first
 
2014-05-25 05:11:29 PM

conniemac: ReverendJynxed: maq0r: dragonchild: Wait, we allow immigrants to vote?  I'm all for giving them basic human protections such as a right to due process (hilariously assuming any of us get that anymore) and such, but isn't voting the main perk of citizenship?

Not sure if you're trolling...

But just in case; no, immigrants cannot vote, or rather, should not vote. In some sates/counties there isn't really a bring proof of 'citizenship' so anyone can say they are and vote. In this case however, he's probably known in his community for decades (also as a veteran) so I could see how they wouldn't ask him for citizenship proof to vote.

Also, he DIDNT KNOW he wasn't a citizen, he assumed his parents did all that paperwork for him when he was a child, and then when he enlisted and afterwards when he was working for the federal government none of the background checks said he wasn't so he never questioned it. Pretty sure if one of those checks came out 40 years ago saying he wasn't he would've adjusted his status (and as a veteran is even easier).

Ariel Castro was known in his neighborhood too...

Ariel Castro was born in Puerto Rico, not Cuba, which made him a US citizen by birth.


I'm looking at the whole "known in the community" part. That doesn't mean jack shiat.

/Besides, brown people are brown people amirite?
//heh
///tres slashies
 
2014-05-25 05:16:06 PM

FnkyTwn: I hope this doesn't automagically make all his anchor babies instantly citizens too. They need to go through the same exact process he did, just like all the immigrants did when they first came to America.


Strange that you use the phrase "anchor babies" and still dont have a clue what it means.
They were BORN HERE, they are automatically citizens. PERIOD.

Sucks to be you, but that is the law. The CONSTITUTION. THE HOLY BIBLE of AMERICA.
To change this will require an amendment to The Constitution.

Get over it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_Stat es _Constitution

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

period
parental status is not relevant
 
2014-05-25 05:17:04 PM
" who for decades thought he was a United States citizen"

Yeah, I am highly suspicious of this claim.


"Several federal background checks never turned up his immigration status."

And this one.


For one thing, what SS number was he using to be employed?  Did he just make one up?  And if he didn't have one, how could he possibly pass a federal background check, much less pay taxes or vote?
 
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