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(The Atlantic)   It's like the old saying: You can give a kid a healthy school lunch, but you can't make him eat   (theatlantic.com) divider line 82
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2014-05-24 08:51:37 PM
The key is to provide kids with healthy varieties of the foods they like instead of giving them really weird off the wall foods that they aren't acquainted with.
 
2014-05-24 09:58:58 PM
They're probably afraid of what a school cafeteria would do to fruit.
 
2014-05-24 10:06:19 PM

sprgrss: The key is to provide kids with healthy varieties of the foods they like instead of giving them really weird off the wall foods that they aren't acquainted with.


There is no way to make white bread, sugar, and fried anything healthy.
 
2014-05-24 10:06:23 PM
maybe some kids have seen bad things done with fruit at home...
 
2014-05-24 10:06:42 PM
Waste of time, money, and food.  If their fat blob parents don't eat fruit or vegetables or make it regular part of the family meals, kids will not do it either.  Also, if it's anything like our "fresh" fruits of choice in school, it's all bruised and unappetizing to begin with.
 
2014-05-24 10:13:00 PM
Tuesday is Sloppy Joe day. Thursday is square pizza day. No, of course they will not be eating fruits and vegetables unless they're in theatre class of the special ed. room.
 
2014-05-24 10:14:54 PM

oukewldave: Waste of time, money, and food.  If their fat blob parents don't eat fruit or vegetables or make it regular part of the family meals, kids will not do it either.


The crusaders will die trying though.
 
2014-05-24 10:24:43 PM
Time to end free lunches?
 
2014-05-24 10:25:07 PM
But a new study suggests that despite the softened menu standards, students are still beelining toward carbs and meat and avoiding fruits and vegetables.

Duh.  Carbs and meat are tasty.  This is nature in action.  We crave those things because we need the stuff they contain to be healthy but they were very hard to obtain when we were living in caves.  So our natural reaction is to gorge on them when they're available.  It takes willpower and forward thinking to deny that craving and eat foods that we aren't genetically conditioned to crave.  Kids aren't so good at that.
 
2014-05-24 10:27:28 PM

oukewldave: Waste of time, money, and food.  If their fat blob parents don't eat fruit or vegetables or make it regular part of the family meals, kids will not do it either.  Also, if it's anything like our "fresh" fruits of choice in school, it's all bruised and unappetizing to begin with.


Mandatory residential school, full room and board, no alternative food.

Do that with the problem-behavior kids expelled from other schools. As a social experiment.
 
2014-05-24 10:28:50 PM
No amount of free breakfasts, free lunches, healthy lunches, bussing, or class sizes are ever going to make a dent if the parents are absent.
 
2014-05-24 10:28:55 PM
Or they could try to make the veggies edible. Nothing ruins veggies like American boiled.
 
2014-05-24 10:33:49 PM

JohnAnnArbor: oukewldave: Waste of time, money, and food.  If their fat blob parents don't eat fruit or vegetables or make it regular part of the family meals, kids will not do it either.  Also, if it's anything like our "fresh" fruits of choice in school, it's all bruised and unappetizing to begin with.

Mandatory residential school, full room and board, no alternative food.

Do that with the problem-behavior kids expelled from other schools. As a social experiment.


I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.

mrlewish: Or they could try to make the veggies edible. Nothing ruins veggies like American boiled.


This.  Steam that shiat and drizzle a little olive oil.  Yum.

FTFA:   "Some of the more exotic dishes are out, including the beef jambalaya, vegetable curry, pad Thai, lentil and brown rice cutlets, and quinoa and black-eyed pea salads. And the Caribbean meatball sauce will be changed to the more familiar teriyaki flavor."

This is frustrating.  I'd eat all of that any day...except the quinoa.  That shiat is annoying.
 
2014-05-24 10:34:17 PM
TFA's subtitle is: "A new study found that less than half of students took a vegetable from the lunch line and ate some of it." and accompanied by a picture of rows of green apples and a single red apple. So maybe the problem is that the parents, staff and students can't identify a fruit and vegetable?
 
2014-05-24 10:35:19 PM
Clearly the only reasonable solution is to give kids a Doritos and ice cream buffet to eat from.

Or, kids in school don't always get exactly what they want. One of those two things.
 
2014-05-24 10:37:51 PM

doyner: This is frustrating.  I'd eat all of that any day...except the quinoa.  That shiat is annoying.


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2014-05-24 10:38:43 PM

jtown: doyner: This is frustrating.  I'd eat all of that any day...except the quinoa.  That shiat is annoying.

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If not eating it makes the Eagles lose, all the better.
 
2014-05-24 10:42:13 PM
Oh god, isn't public school where everyone gets taught to clear their plates and eat quickly? Instilling two most negative eating habits...

But it got installed in our parents. As if everyone a generation or two back were told to eat everything in front of them, and to do it quickly. Like a mess hall.

Yes, America and Britain, you're fat because of habits instilled to fight Hitler!
 
2014-05-24 10:44:11 PM

doyner: jtown: doyner: This is frustrating.  I'd eat all of that any day...except the quinoa.  That shiat is annoying.

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If not eating it makes the Eagles lose, all the better.


They finally got rid of that dog-fighting trash.  I won't necessarily root for them but I'll pick them over the Jets.  More likely, I'll skip watching a game that features both teams.
 
2014-05-24 10:46:02 PM
Trader Joe's chunky apple sauce + cinnamon + nuts + raisins (-nuts because allergies for school use).

Trader Joe's lentils + masala curry sauce + a little sriracha rooster sauce

These are two easy combos I use to get healthy foods that schools could adapt and would be in the range of student taste.
 
2014-05-24 10:47:32 PM

mrlewish: Or they could try to make the veggies edible. Nothing ruins veggies like American boiled.


They are removing all the food that looks racialized and replacing it with the most American food imaginable. You have the situation backwards, if the article is any indication.
 
2014-05-24 10:48:22 PM
I of course observed the time-honored tradition of NRTFA, but I hear this shiat from parents all the time.  "All he'll eat is chocolate milk/ketchup/macaroni!"

I'm willing to challenge that, and if it turns out that I have a kid who has the willpower to starve himself to death in a house full of food, I guess at least I'll make it into the farking history books.
 
2014-05-24 10:53:30 PM
The reason the kids are obese is not because they eat too much but because they exercise too little.
 
2014-05-24 10:53:39 PM
Most of these kids aren't paying for it anyhow.

/just sayin'
 
2014-05-24 11:00:17 PM
It's too bad they all don't do like my high school and middle shool did: several lines with various healthy or unhealthy choices. We had a main line which changed everyday to a normal hot meal, then there was a dedicated pizza line, and one for salads and sandwiches kinda like subway. Now with those range of options, thats when good parenting comes in. Raise your kids to no give a crap and they will end up in the pizza line everyday like i knew some guys to be. Or teach them the merits of eating healthy and they will stay away from the pizza line, save do an occasional treat, like I did. I'd say that, rough estimate, 80% of the time i went with the ever changing daily main line, which served a healthy balanced meal most of the time, 15% of the time i hit up the salad/sandwich line, and the other 5% was the pizza line. It all comes full circle back to parenting.
 
2014-05-24 11:01:19 PM

odinsposse: Clearly the only reasonable solution is to give kids a Doritos and ice cream buffet to eat from.

Or, kids in school don't always get exactly what they want. One of those two things.


OR, the health food crusaders don't get exactly what THEY want. It's not an either/or situation where kids must only eat fruits & veggies or else they eat unhealthful fats and junk food exclusively.

There are healthy versions of foods kids will eat: pizza is not necessarily awful for you. But if it's only thought of as "they must eat these foods which are good and not these which are bad" then kids will keep eating what tastes good.
 
2014-05-24 11:01:25 PM

Kevin72: Trader Joe's chunky apple sauce + cinnamon + nuts + raisins (-nuts because allergies for school use).

Trader Joe's lentils + masala curry sauce + a little sriracha rooster sauce

These are two easy combos I use to get healthy foods that schools could adapt and would be in the range of student taste.


You sound foreign.  9 out of 10 American kids are not going to eat lentils, curry, or sriracha.
 
2014-05-24 11:03:30 PM
The farking hell we can't, those are my goddamn tax dollars. Get those chumpy farks some feed bags and gets the cops on'em with the Tazer. We cannot allow our children to grow up to be fat dumpy farks, it's a horrible way to live, and it's so buttfarking easy to keep it at bay.

Cripes, kids, eat a farking Apple. fark.
 
2014-05-24 11:03:58 PM

Dirty J1: It's too bad they all don't do like my high school and middle shool did: several lines with various healthy or unhealthy choices. We had a main line which changed everyday to a normal hot meal, then there was a dedicated pizza line, and one for salads and sandwiches kinda like subway. Now with those range of options, thats when good parenting comes in. Raise your kids to no give a crap and they will end up in the pizza line everyday like i knew some guys to be. Or teach them the merits of eating healthy and they will stay away from the pizza line, save do an occasional treat, like I did. I'd say that, rough estimate, 80% of the time i went with the ever changing daily main line, which served a healthy balanced meal most of the time, 15% of the time i hit up the salad/sandwich line, and the other 5% was the pizza line. It all comes full circle back to parenting.


Now in understand all schools aren't set up like this and all, but the schools are trying to make their stuff healthier and then you get these kids rebelling and crap. The stuff i read in the article seemed rather reasonable and healthy. It's the spoiled kids that are the ones rebelling against the schools healthy food policies.
 
2014-05-24 11:04:59 PM

sprgrss: The key is to provide kids with healthy varieties of the foods they like instead of giving them really weird off the wall foods that they aren't acquainted with.


They aren't going to eat raw carrot sticks no matter what.  I see the trash cans full of them after every grade school lunch period.  I can't understand why our betters in Washington think it is better the kids have nothing they will eat and go hungry all afternoon rather than have something with carbs.  But, they know better than I, so I won't question it.
 
2014-05-24 11:05:46 PM

Dirty J1: It's too bad they all don't do like my high school and middle shool did: several lines with various healthy or unhealthy choices. We had a main line which changed everyday to a normal hot meal, then there was a dedicated pizza line, and one for salads and sandwiches kinda like subway. Now with those range of options, thats when good parenting comes in. Raise your kids to no give a crap and they will end up in the pizza line everyday like i knew some guys to be. Or teach them the merits of eating healthy and they will stay away from the pizza line, save do an occasional treat, like I did. I'd say that, rough estimate, 80% of the time i went with the ever changing daily main line, which served a healthy balanced meal most of the time, 15% of the time i hit up the salad/sandwich line, and the other 5% was the pizza line. It all comes full circle back to parenting.


We had this same set up at our high school.  I went straight to the salad bar line every day because the line was the shortest.  The school was feeding 5-600 people a lunch period so kids who stood in the pizza line very often didn't have time to eat the pizza before the bell rang to get back to class.  They'd roll the pizza up and down it in one or two bites in the hallway.  I don't really remember how long the lunch period was, but I think it was a half hour, probably less.
 
2014-05-24 11:13:42 PM
Are there laws against bringing your own food from home into a school?
 
2014-05-24 11:18:14 PM
L.A. Unified is now in New York, Chicago, Dallas, Miami, and Orlando to spread the doctrine of healthy lunch food nationally.


An interesting choice of wording.
 
2014-05-24 11:24:47 PM

oukewldave: Kevin72: Trader Joe's chunky apple sauce + cinnamon + nuts + raisins (-nuts because allergies for school use).

Trader Joe's lentils + masala curry sauce + a little sriracha rooster sauce

These are two easy combos I use to get healthy foods that schools could adapt and would be in the range of student taste.

You sound foreign.  9 out of 10 American kids are not going to eat lentils, curry, or sriracha.


You are technically correct. I am an ex-expatriate, having lived and worked most of the 1990s in Asia.

The chunky applesauce cinnamon and raisins is straight out apple pie without the crust or sugar.

The lentils....its all about the sauce. If mild curry sauce doesnt do it, maybe some other sauce for kids. Maybe add corn and rice and other familiars or put it in a burrito.

In California these days, kids love flaming hot in a way I never saw growing up in Michigan.
 
2014-05-24 11:37:08 PM

gadian: Dirty J1: It's too bad they all don't do like my high school and middle shool did: several lines with various healthy or unhealthy choices. We had a main line which changed everyday to a normal hot meal, then there was a dedicated pizza line, and one for salads and sandwiches kinda like subway. Now with those range of options, thats when good parenting comes in. Raise your kids to no give a crap and they will end up in the pizza line everyday like i knew some guys to be. Or teach them the merits of eating healthy and they will stay away from the pizza line, save do an occasional treat, like I did. I'd say that, rough estimate, 80% of the time i went with the ever changing daily main line, which served a healthy balanced meal most of the time, 15% of the time i hit up the salad/sandwich line, and the other 5% was the pizza line. It all comes full circle back to parenting.

We had this same set up at our high school.  I went straight to the salad bar line every day because the line was the shortest.  The school was feeding 5-600 people a lunch period so kids who stood in the pizza line very often didn't have time to eat the pizza before the bell rang to get back to class.  They'd roll the pizza up and down it in one or two bites in the hallway.  I don't really remember how long the lunch period was, but I think it was a half hour, probably less.


Yea was about the same situation with my school. Damn pizza line was always full lol. I pretty much stuck with the regular main line most days, unless it was something i didnt care for. Then I opted for the salad line. Lol funny thing about the pizza line was that since i was spending most of my time in line the few times i did opt for it, I didnt have time to chill with my buddies. That was the real bonus for lunch was hanging out and just bullshiatting and maybe, dare i say it, playing some magic the gathering... shiat was all the rage back then lol.
 
2014-05-24 11:37:34 PM
Surprise surprise kids wont eat food that taste like crap.
 
2014-05-24 11:40:25 PM
Thanks Michelle!

Keep your Kale, Brown Rice Flour Bread, and veggie burgers; and feed 'em to the members of the death panels, social scientists who rewrite history, and other leftards who want to instill their version of utopian paradise on normal 5th graders.

Give those poor kids their square pizza, tacos with mystery meat, and apple sauce!  You might end up saving the tax payers of LA County $100,000 a day!  Which is what you are supposed to be doing; good stewards of the resources entrusted to your care!
 
2014-05-24 11:59:58 PM
This is still news? The district I teach at (and probably many are the same) require that kids take a helping of fruit or veggies. More often than not it goes straight from their hands to the nearest trash bin. It's a huge waste.
 
2014-05-25 12:01:55 AM

sprgrss: The key is to provide kids with healthy varieties of the foods they like instead of giving them really weird off the wall foods that they aren't acquainted with.


This. No kid should be forced to gag on some third world sewage. What's next? Cockroach salad?
 
2014-05-25 12:03:44 AM
When I was in elementary school we had tomato soup for lunch regularly. Damn that was good stuff.

Healthy and good tasting. But all the other food, was pretty much what I hear about now. Pizza, burgers, chicken tenders, I think we had fish sticks, but can't remember. Early 80's is bit of a blur.
 
2014-05-25 12:06:34 AM
Part of the problem seems to be that such poor quality "healthy" foods are considered as viable substitutes, and when people experience eating them, they associate the crappiness on a more general scale. The crappy fruit given in McDonald's Happy Meals is a great example of how children, and later adults, can be taught to hate fruits & vegetables by the very same people that want them to be enjoyed. Canned mixed vegetables is another fantastic one. The poorer quality foods that are less healthy are often at least more palatable than their counterparts, due to preparation, overall quality, and the fact that those less optimal choices include foods that do a quick job of satisfying a hungry eater.  This includes sweet and fatty foods, like brownies and bacon, and does not include shiat like plain cooked carrots, beets, or a fairly sour fruit. I'll eat a salad, given enough decent toppings, but if you offer me a decent burger, I'll more often than not eat the burger. In fact, I sometimes joke that the salad is the thing that goes on top of the burger.
 
2014-05-25 12:08:20 AM

powhound: This is still news? The district I teach at (and probably many are the same) require that kids take a helping of fruit or veggies. More often than not it goes straight from their hands to the nearest trash bin. It's a huge waste.


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Oh wait, you can't can parsley.
 
2014-05-25 12:09:07 AM
Anthony Bourdain did a show in Lyon (France) where they spend LESS per kid on food than they do here in the US and the kids get what we'd consider "fancy" cuisine. WTF is wrong with the US?
 
2014-05-25 12:10:28 AM
Eating fruits makes you gay.

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2014-05-25 12:17:13 AM

Gortex: Are there laws against bringing your own food from home into a school?


Not neccessarily, but the precedent and facilities for it basically suck, especially if you actually want something warm that doesn't come in a thermos. I mean, I guess you could argue that cold cuts are healthy despite the sodium and nitrate/nitrite levels, or that peanut butter is healthy just because it has some protein, but that would be silly, and let's be realistic, those foods and foods like them are probably what's going with little Timmy to school most of the time.
 
2014-05-25 12:20:54 AM

Dirty J1: Dirty J1: ...

Now in understand all schools aren't set up like this and all, but the schools are trying to make their stuff healthier and then you get these kids rebelling and crap. The stuff i read in the article seemed rather reasonable and healthy. It's the spoiled kids that are the ones rebelling against the schools healthy food policies.


Maybe they should not do a shiatty job of it, but then that's probably mandatory as well.
 
2014-05-25 12:24:40 AM

GORDON: sprgrss: The key is to provide kids with healthy varieties of the foods they like instead of giving them really weird off the wall foods that they aren't acquainted with.

They aren't going to eat raw carrot sticks no matter what.  I see the trash cans full of them after every grade school lunch period.  I can't understand why our betters in Washington think it is better the kids have nothing they will eat and go hungry all afternoon rather than have something with carbs.  But, they know better than I, so I won't question it.


Train them right and they will. Mine eat their carrots and ask for more.
 
2014-05-25 12:28:55 AM

wildcardjack: Oh god, isn't public school where everyone gets taught to clear their plates and eat quickly? Instilling two most negative eating habits...

But it got installed in our parents. As if everyone a generation or two back were told to eat everything in front of them, and to do it quickly. Like a mess hall.

Yes, America and Britain, you're fat because of habits instilled to fight Hitler! during the depression.


FTFY

In Britains case, it could have been because of Hitler, but probably not.
 
2014-05-25 12:32:59 AM

dj_bigbird: Anthony Bourdain did a show in Lyon (France) where they spend LESS per kid on food than they do here in the US and the kids get what we'd consider "fancy" cuisine. WTF is wrong with the US?


Link

"The chef makes homemade meals for the kids every day from scratch"

I think the difference is the person in charge can cook from scratch, plus probably employees half a dozen people who do tasks typically eliminated by purchasing frozen, partially prepared food.
 
2014-05-25 12:36:46 AM

UsikFark: dj_bigbird: Anthony Bourdain did a show in Lyon (France) where they spend LESS per kid on food than they do here in the US and the kids get what we'd consider "fancy" cuisine. WTF is wrong with the US?

Link

"The chef makes homemade meals for the kids every day from scratch"

I think the difference is the person in charge can cook from scratch, plus probably employees half a dozen people who do tasks typically eliminated by purchasing frozen, partially prepared food.


And lets not forget our government rewards farmers for growing well, shiat.  shiat that gets turned into sugar, which then goes into the food.

Rise, repeat.
 
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