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2014-05-24 10:47:02 AM  
Look, I'd love to see Donovan playing in this cup, too, but I'm not a blowhard behind a microphone. Klinsmann is a goddamn good coach, and has done more for US Soccer than any other coach since Arenas (and he has a better win percentage, too).

Klinsmann coaches the team. Klinsmann watches the team. He picks the teams, trains the teams, watches the films, and talks to the players. He's in the locker room with them. He sees them out of the lights, away from the microphones and knows them better than any of us ever will.  I'm sorry Donovan isn't gonna be there, butKlinsmann picked the team he thought would be best. If he thought the US wasn't going to be making it out of our round (quite possible, as we're in there with the 2nd and 3rd ranked teams in the world), maybe he's blooding the youngsters for 2018 so that they'll be ready. He doesn't owe Donovan a farewell WC tour.
 
2014-05-24 10:56:07 AM  

Langston: Look, I'd love to see Donovan playing in this cup, too, but I'm not a blowhard behind a microphone. Klinsmann is a goddamn good coach, and has done more for US Soccer than any other coach since Arenas (and he has a better win percentage, too).

Klinsmann coaches the team. Klinsmann watches the team. He picks the teams, trains the teams, watches the films, and talks to the players. He's in the locker room with them. He sees them out of the lights, away from the microphones and knows them better than any of us ever will.  I'm sorry Donovan isn't gonna be there, butKlinsmann picked the team he thought would be best. If he thought the US wasn't going to be making it out of our round (quite possible, as we're in there with the 2nd and 3rd ranked teams in the world), maybe he's blooding the youngsters for 2018 so that they'll be ready. He doesn't owe Donovan a farewell WC tour.


I understand that, but I also think Hudson's point is valid.  The experience of having been in three World Cups should count for something.  At the very least he should be on the coaching staff or something.
 
2014-05-24 11:14:18 AM  

FriarReb98: I understand that, but I also think Hudson's point is valid.  The experience of having been in three World Cups should count for something.  At the very least he should be on the coaching staff or something.


But he's not a coach. I'd love to see him get the appointment, but again, you're talking about taking him to the WC as a passenger. If he doesn't have the drive and motivation that he did before, then I understand why Klinsmann might want a less experienced but more motivated player. Again, this isn't disrespecting Donovan. I think he's fantastic, but maybe he's past his peak. I don't want to presume that 2014 Donovan is the same as 2010 Donovan.

Regardless, it won't matter--the US won't get out of its group. I don't see us getting a point from Germany or Portugal, and Ghana had our number in the last World Cup. Even if Donovan were in the side, we could be out very quickly, and the first game against Ghana is crucial. If we don't win it, it's over.
 
2014-05-24 12:30:24 PM  
If the U.S. gets out of their group, der Furher will be vindicated. If he doesn't, uh oh!
 
2014-05-24 12:43:57 PM  
soccer?  get this stuff over to the entertainment tab.  i'd like to see one of these soccer player's flopping abilities while taking a flying elbow from the top ropes from randy macho man savage
 
2014-05-24 12:46:24 PM  
stockfresh.com

What Landon Donovan may look like
 
2014-05-24 12:47:47 PM  

Tax Boy: [stockfresh.com image 267x400]

What Landon Donovan may look like


Wrong guy. That's Ryan Giggs.
 
2014-05-24 12:52:17 PM  
Do you want to be sentimental, or do you want to win?  Falling in love with a player doesn't help your team.
 
2014-05-24 12:52:43 PM  
It sucks that Donovan is good enough to be on the squad, but Hudson is dead wrong calling out Zusi as someone who (among the others Hudson listed, which were possible valid gripes) should not be at Brazil ahead of Donovan.  Zusi is probably the second best player on the team (not including Howard).
 
2014-05-24 12:55:46 PM  
You couldnt put Pele in his prime on the US team and make it out of their group alive. Donovan, no Donovan, it makes zero difference. Except for the number of WC participation ribbons Donovan has.
 
2014-05-24 12:56:28 PM  
I just wanted to say that I love Ray Hudson and watching any soccer game broadcast without him just makes me wish it was one with him. MAGISTERIAL. AND HE'S OFF LIKE A PROM DRESS.
 
2014-05-24 12:58:43 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Do you want to be sentimental, or do you want to win?  Falling in love with a player doesn't help your team.


But but but but it's *SWOOON* Landon! He's sooooo dreamy.
 
2014-05-24 01:01:20 PM  

Princip's Sandwich: Tax Boy: [stockfresh.com image 267x400]

What Landon Donovan may look like

Wrong guy. That's Ryan Giggs.


Wayne Rooney at 20.
 
2014-05-24 01:23:25 PM  
Whoever is saying "this is for 2018" should be shot, b/c that is the dumbest argument you could ever make for picking a World Cup team. And the US is a good enough team that any coach, from Sir Alex to Klinsmann to Scolari, if they go 0-3 w/ only a goal or two scored, they're out on their ass, contract extension or not. If they 1998 this shiat, Klinsmann is done. And after Bayern and Jorgi Loew, Klinsmann might not get another "good" job after this.
 
2014-05-24 01:34:33 PM  
I agree, Trocadero, but I trust Klinsmann is not leaving out Donovan to prepare for '18.  If he ever used prepping for '18 for justification for dropping Donovan, then Klinsmann should be fired on the spot.

/go yanks
 
2014-05-24 01:40:13 PM  
I keep hearing names like Yedlin, Zusi, Bedoya, Green, and even Brooks given as people that shouldn't be going instead of Donovan, but you have to be realistic about it.  Brooks and Yedlin are completely out of the conversation because they are in as defenders.  Zusi is playing well above Landon right not, so not even a real argument.  Bedoya played over 30 games this year in France, which is exactly what Klinsmann wants to see (Players challenging themselves in Europe).

In all honesty, Donovan was probably beaten out by two people, Julian Green and Chris Wondolowski.  Everyone knew Green was going to be in the squad as soon as he pledged his future to the US.  That was part of the deal that Klinsmann made.  Since Donovan was always referred to as a forward anyway, it comes down to Donovan vs. Wondolowski.  Wondo has 9 international goals in the last calender year plus five goals this year in MLS.  Donovan has seven international goals in the last calender year with zero club goals in MLS this season.  Comparing apples to apples, Wondolowski takes the spot.  I know people are taking it personally that Donovan didn't make the team, but if Wondowloski wouldn't have made it, a lot of soccer people would have been just as unhappy about the decision.

I love Ray Hudson, but I just think he is wrong on this one.  Klinsmann made the right call, and if the US loses all three games with a -10 goal differential, I'll still say he made the right call.
 
2014-05-24 01:50:23 PM  
In Jurgen We Trust


See ya round Landycakes
 
2014-05-24 02:00:25 PM  

animesucks: i'd like to see one of these soccer player's flopping abilities while taking a flying elbow from the top ropes from randy macho man savage


That would be a lot of dead weight.
 
2014-05-24 02:03:09 PM  

animesucks: soccer?  get this stuff over to the entertainment tab.  i'd like to see one of these soccer player's flopping abilities while taking a flying elbow from the top ropes from randy macho man savage


Hey look everybody, it's a "soccer sucks" guy posting in a soccer thread. Let's give him a hand to the face that's not called.
 
2014-05-24 02:03:10 PM  
Champions League Final thread?
 
2014-05-24 02:03:16 PM  
I can has Champions League Final thread?

/gutted for Richard Keogh, but that's a bigger $160m present you gave Bobby Zamora than Kanye could ever give to Kim
 
2014-05-24 02:06:03 PM  
Looks like Ray has forgiven Donovan for that Lockhart dive that basically cost South Florida 15 years of MLS soccer.  I have not.  Btw, Donovan was playing against Beckerman and Rimando that day.  Weird.

Still...Wondo is playing better, and he seems like the kind of player that rewards the people that have faith in him.  So I'm going to have faith.  Maybe not yet in Jurgen, but in the team.
 
2014-05-24 02:07:16 PM  

Ayatollah of Rock-n-Rolla: I keep hearing names like Yedlin, Zusi, Bedoya, Green, and even Brooks given as people that shouldn't be going instead of Donovan, but you have to be realistic about it.  Brooks and Yedlin are completely out of the conversation because they are in as defenders.  Zusi is playing well above Landon right not, so not even a real argument.  Bedoya played over 30 games this year in France, which is exactly what Klinsmann wants to see (Players challenging themselves in Europe).

In all honesty, Donovan was probably beaten out by two people, Julian Green and Chris Wondolowski.  Everyone knew Green was going to be in the squad as soon as he pledged his future to the US.  That was part of the deal that Klinsmann made.  Since Donovan was always referred to as a forward anyway, it comes down to Donovan vs. Wondolowski.  Wondo has 9 international goals in the last calender year plus five goals this year in MLS.  Donovan has seven international goals in the last calender year with zero club goals in MLS this season.  Comparing apples to apples, Wondolowski takes the spot.  I know people are taking it personally that Donovan didn't make the team, but if Wondowloski wouldn't have made it, a lot of soccer people would have been just as unhappy about the decision.

I love Ray Hudson, but I just think he is wrong on this one.  Klinsmann made the right call, and if the US loses all three games with a -10 goal differential, I'll still say he made the right call.


This; Donovan or no Donovan, the US has an uphill climb in that group.
 
2014-05-24 02:08:55 PM  

dietbubba: Champions League Final thread?


One hasn't been submitted yet. Please submit one right now so I can green it. Game's in half an hour, we need it
 
2014-05-24 02:19:42 PM  

Unfreakable: dietbubba: Champions League Final thread?

One hasn't been submitted yet. Please submit one right now so I can green it. Game's in half an hour, we need it


Submitted
 
2014-05-24 02:19:58 PM  
You can tell he's a British soccer fan because he wants veterans on World Cup teams just because they've "earned it."

Shades of watching Beckham come in to take direct kicks in the 75th minute in 2010.
 
2014-05-24 02:26:28 PM  

Ayatollah of Rock-n-Rolla: I keep hearing names like Yedlin, Zusi, Bedoya, Green, and even Brooks given as people that shouldn't be going instead of Donovan, but you have to be realistic about it.  Brooks and Yedlin are completely out of the conversation because they are in as defenders.  Zusi is playing well above Landon right not, so not even a real argument.  Bedoya played over 30 games this year in France, which is exactly what Klinsmann wants to see (Players challenging themselves in Europe).

In all honesty, Donovan was probably beaten out by two people, Julian Green and Chris Wondolowski.  Everyone knew Green was going to be in the squad as soon as he pledged his future to the US.  That was part of the deal that Klinsmann made.  Since Donovan was always referred to as a forward anyway, it comes down to Donovan vs. Wondolowski.  Wondo has 9 international goals in the last calender year plus five goals this year in MLS.  Donovan has seven international goals in the last calender year with zero club goals in MLS this season.  Comparing apples to apples, Wondolowski takes the spot.  I know people are taking it personally that Donovan didn't make the team, but if Wondowloski wouldn't have made it, a lot of soccer people would have been just as unhappy about the decision.

I love Ray Hudson, but I just think he is wrong on this one.  Klinsmann made the right call, and if the US loses all three games with a -10 goal differential, I'll still say he made the right call.


Nailed it.
 
2014-05-24 03:46:56 PM  
Again 99.9% of the USA doesn't know who the fark Landon is, at best you get a faint memory of recognition but when you say soccer they just don't care.
 
2014-05-24 04:43:35 PM  

IlGreven: Princip's Sandwich: Tax Boy: [stockfresh.com image 267x400]

What Landon Donovan may look like

Wrong guy. That's Ryan Giggs.

Wayne Rooney at 20.


Lol. I don't like soccer, but I still found that damn funny.
 
2014-05-24 04:51:11 PM  
Is Klinsmann is giving more athletic guys a chance since the odds of the US getting out of the group with more than one win is pretty small?  You got Germany and Portugal, both in the top 3 in the world, and then you got Ghana, who ran circles around the US in the last WC.  An old guy like Donovan might be sucking wind if he's out there too much.
 
2014-05-24 06:15:57 PM  
The fact that Donovan isn't on the squad isn't what bothers me.  The fact that we're one defensive injury or card suspension away from John Anthony Brooks as a starting centerback for the team is what makes me doubt this roster.

I'm just really not at the point where I trust Klinsmann.  He just reminds me of that guy in every office who loves to spout platitudes and powerpoint buzzwords ("we need a more synergestic office to create a more dynamic workflow for more interdisciplinary output!") without knowing the basic nuts and bolts of how things actually work.  We can talk about a more "attacking style" and "overhauling the US Development system" but can anyone REALLY say that the team is better than under Bradley?  We've gotten some nice results in friendlies in the last couple years but had some surprisingly shaky moments in qualifying. Plus, with the carousel of assistants under Klinsy in the last year, he REALLY doesn't inspire confidence.  His main tactical assistant was most famous for being a failure at Chivas USA until canning him this spring.

I'd love to see results and my "bomb pop" jersey is ready to go for the world cup, but I just get a scary feeling Soccer House is paying for a 3 million dollar a year motivational speaker.
 
2014-05-24 09:11:59 PM  

Longtime Lurker: The fact that Donovan isn't on the squad isn't what bothers me.  The fact that we're one defensive injury or card suspension away from John Anthony Brooks as a starting centerback for the team is what makes me doubt this roster.


If there were any defenders better than Brooks, they would be on the roster ahead of him.

And yes, that's an indictment of both Donovan and Eddie Johnson, whose "troubles" the past 6 months are probably directly attributable to why Jozy Altidore (who was pretty much non-existent on a barely-able-to-avoid-relegation Sunderland squad) is on the final 23 instead of him. Last year, they were probably the best 2 players on the team.  This year, both Wondo and Aron Johannson are better.
 
2014-05-24 10:58:01 PM  

Ayatollah of Rock-n-Rolla: I keep hearing names like Yedlin, Zusi, Bedoya, Green, and even Brooks given as people that shouldn't be going instead of Donovan, but you have to be realistic about it.  Brooks and Yedlin are completely out of the conversation because they are in as defenders.  Zusi is playing well above Landon right not, so not even a real argument.  Bedoya played over 30 games this year in France, which is exactly what Klinsmann wants to see (Players challenging themselves in Europe).

In all honesty, Donovan was probably beaten out by two people, Julian Green and Chris Wondolowski.  Everyone knew Green was going to be in the squad as soon as he pledged his future to the US.  That was part of the deal that Klinsmann made.  Since Donovan was always referred to as a forward anyway, it comes down to Donovan vs. Wondolowski.  Wondo has 9 international goals in the last calender year plus five goals this year in MLS.  Donovan has seven international goals in the last calender year with zero club goals in MLS this season.  Comparing apples to apples, Wondolowski takes the spot.  I know people are taking it personally that Donovan didn't make the team, but if Wondowloski wouldn't have made it, a lot of soccer people would have been just as unhappy about the decision.

I love Ray Hudson, but I just think he is wrong on this one.  Klinsmann made the right call, and if the US loses all three games with a -10 goal differential, I'll still say he made the right call.


This is it in a nutshell. Well stated.

/Sorry about your Cottagers, btw
 
2014-05-24 11:25:17 PM  

FriarReb98: Langston: Look, I'd love to see Donovan playing in this cup, too, but I'm not a blowhard behind a microphone. Klinsmann is a goddamn good coach, and has done more for US Soccer than any other coach since Arenas (and he has a better win percentage, too).

Klinsmann coaches the team. Klinsmann watches the team. He picks the teams, trains the teams, watches the films, and talks to the players. He's in the locker room with them. He sees them out of the lights, away from the microphones and knows them better than any of us ever will.  I'm sorry Donovan isn't gonna be there, butKlinsmann picked the team he thought would be best. If he thought the US wasn't going to be making it out of our round (quite possible, as we're in there with the 2nd and 3rd ranked teams in the world), maybe he's blooding the youngsters for 2018 so that they'll be ready. He doesn't owe Donovan a farewell WC tour.

I understand that, but I also think Hudson's point is valid.  The experience of having been in three World Cups should count for something.  At the very least he should be on the coaching staff or something.


The problem with that is that MLS teams are not required to release their players for "coaching" duties.  if he's not on the world cup roster, then his contract says he's to be playing for his club team.  If he's picked for the roster, FIFA rules apply and the club have to release him.
 
2014-05-24 11:27:03 PM  

Princip's Sandwich: Tax Boy: [stockfresh.com image 267x400]

What Landon Donovan may look like

Wrong guy. That's Ryan Giggs.


Giggs at his age now is better than Donovan ever was.
 
2014-05-25 12:33:42 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Do you want to be sentimental, or do you want to win?  Falling in love with a player doesn't help your team.


Only if the player you're in love with can help the team. He deserved to atleast come off the bench and play the second half.
 
2014-05-25 07:05:32 AM  
Ray Hudson is solid gold ! He does a 5 minute monologue blasting Klinsman about not picking Landon Donovan
 
2014-05-25 08:34:34 AM  
Langston:  /Sorry about your Cottagers, btw

Thanks, but that is a totally different rant.
 
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