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(Minneapolis Star Tribune)   Parents accuse high school of indoctrinating their children into a cult, leading to the students becoming secretive, distant, and non-communicative. Or in other words; teenagers   (startribune.com) divider line 102
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2014-05-23 10:13:26 PM
"taught her students to believe in superstition, magic, and a non-scientific, anti-intellectual worldview.

What an interesting statement.
 
2014-05-23 10:52:16 PM
The lawsuit says one teacher "taught her students to believe in superstition, magic, and a non-scientific, anti-intellectual worldview. She would discuss spirituality, numerology, astrology, dreams, mysticism, looking for 'signs,' angels, symbols, 'synchronicity,' 'negativity,' 'seeking the truth,' and death."

Check into that teacher's background and I'll bet you'll turn up a Sting groupie.
 
2014-05-23 11:44:58 PM
home school for the win - 12 years tops - no more buildings, very less taxes,

snowflakes are fragile

img.fark.net
 
2014-05-23 11:47:09 PM

Tr0mBoNe: "taught her students to believe in superstition, magic, and a non-scientific, anti-intellectual worldview.

What an interesting statement.


Religion?
 
2014-05-23 11:48:02 PM

Tr0mBoNe: "taught her students to believe in superstition, magic, and a non-scientific, anti-intellectual worldview.

What an interesting statement.


Sounds just like being indoctrinated by Pat Robertson.
 
2014-05-23 11:50:48 PM
Because clearly there is no other possible reason kids might act like kids than being indoctrinated into a cult.

Which seems to have no name, leader, or identifying characteristics.
 
2014-05-23 11:51:40 PM
Say what you will, teens locked into watching their phones are fun to trip.
 
2014-05-23 11:52:30 PM
"Spiritual" people are just as wrong, ignorant, and deluded as the organized religious. They just usually aren't quite as much of a problem for others. Except in cases like this.
 
2014-05-23 11:56:08 PM
jesus..

diaf all of them.
 
2014-05-23 11:59:10 PM
Distant? Flat? Noncommunicative? Loss of empathy and humor?

What was their adderall dosage?
 
2014-05-24 12:01:14 AM
The "kids" are all 19+.

Yeah, young people fall for stupid ideologies that they eventually grow out of.

Hell, if it wasn't for the stupidity of young adults, half of you would have never been conceived.
 
2014-05-24 12:02:24 AM
That's some weapons grade crazy those parents have going on. Most kids go through some personality changes at that age. It's the kids raised in cults that don't because they aren't allowed to by the adults.
 
2014-05-24 12:06:06 AM

GhostFish: Distant? Flat? Noncommunicative? Loss of empathy and humor?

What was their adderall dosage?


For this symptoms, I'm guessing Adderall and anti-depressants (SSRIs, specifically).

/Tried the combo once
//Was happy inside--and could study for hours upon hours on end--but what a bore to everyone else
 
2014-05-24 12:16:02 AM
Is this Satanic Panic? What is it, 1981?
 
2014-05-24 12:16:35 AM
i.chzbgr.com
 
2014-05-24 12:18:16 AM

buckler: Is this Satanic Panic? What is it, 1981?


Unfortunately, even though that hideous woman has been dead for years, there are still fundies and police departments that use the booklets provided by Pat Pulling.

Michael Stackpole had written a thorough report on this person and her destructive antics.

http://www.rpgstudies.net/stackpole/pulling_report.html
 
2014-05-24 12:20:33 AM
Seems to me that the real victims here are the parents who have been successfully brainwashed by the cult of lawyers into forking over hard earned cash under the guise of a lawsuit.
 
2014-05-24 12:22:51 AM
The couple says their two older daughters were "indoctrinated into a religious cult that promotes martyrdom and celebrates death," and that has caused them to experience "fantasies of suicide ideation and martyrdom."

Well crap, that doesn't narrow it down much.


The lawsuit says one teacher "taught her students to believe in superstition, magic, and a non-scientific, anti-intellectual worldview. She would discuss spirituality, numerology, astrology, dreams, mysticism, looking for 'signs,' angels, symbols, 'synchronicity,' 'negativity,' 'seeking the truth,' and death."

Hmm... are New Age hippies still a thing?
 
2014-05-24 12:31:14 AM

TV's Vinnie: buckler: Is this Satanic Panic? What is it, 1981?

Unfortunately, even though that hideous woman has been dead for years, there are still fundies and police departments that use the booklets provided by Pat Pulling.

Michael Stackpole had written a thorough report on this person and her destructive antics.

http://www.rpgstudies.net/stackpole/pulling_report.html


I've read it. It's a sad, disturbing and unsettling tale.
 
2014-05-24 01:01:07 AM
Gyrfalcon: Which seems to have no name, leader, or identifying characteristics.

I wonder about this. There's a few possible reasons: the group could be litigious, and countersue if they are publicly disparaged.  They could be afraid of reprisals that are less legal, although not naming them wouldn't help in that case.

However, one interesting possibility that makes some sense in this situation is that they could be a nominally Christian group that is, for the most part, doctrinally orthodox, but that is a cult in practice. (Allegations of numerology and astrology notwithstanding.) Their beliefs may not be terribly different from typical evangelical/fundamentalist beliefs, but  they expect their members to dedicate themselves wholly to their cause and withdraw from non-affiliated relationships in a way that is decidedly cult-like. (For examples of this that I've got personal familiarity with, see Chi Alpha and the other IHOP.)

If that was the case, then all it would take would be for one social conservative blogger to tip off Fox News or any similar media outlet, and they'd run with the story as "Mom sues teacher for telling kids about Jesus." Not publicly naming the organization could just be a way to avoid the constant harassment that would come from something like that.

(Or hey, it could be any one of a bajillion other cults out there. It's idle speculation.)
 
2014-05-24 01:04:25 AM

Martian_Astronomer: However, one interesting possibility that makes some sense in this situation


It's Hartford, CT, not Nashville, TN. It's far more likely to be some crazy crystal winky-twinky "spiritual" New Age type.
 
2014-05-24 01:14:54 AM
this doesn't pass the smell test for me. all I can smell is bull shiat.
 
2014-05-24 01:20:42 AM
The main gist of that article seems to be "nobody is returning our calls, so we can't tell you much beyond what's in the paperwork".
 
2014-05-24 01:26:16 AM
"indoctrinated into a religious cult that promotes martyrdom and celebrates death " - From the article

Sources say the catholic church will be defending itself vigorously...
 
2014-05-24 01:26:57 AM

Crid: The main gist of that article seems to be "nobody is returning our calls, so we can't tell you much beyond what's in the paperwork".


Yes. The "Let's get it first" rather than the "Let's get it right" school of journalism.
 
2014-05-24 01:43:46 AM
It wasn't a cult who indoctrinated them. It was the Holy One himself:

therevealer.org

The mom is aware that 18+ these kids can do what the fark ever without her consent, right? Even if it means joining a bogus cult (aka, any religion that isn't Pastafarianism). I hope there is an actual cult and they sue her into oblivion, all while tap dancing and blasting Behemoth in front of their house afterwards.
 
2014-05-24 02:16:11 AM

Boojum2k: "Spiritual" people are just as wrong, ignorant, and deluded as the organized religious. They just usually aren't quite as much of a problem for others. Except in cases like this.


"Spiritual" is a pretty wide brush, I assume you're referring to New Age belief. The more serious of contemporary "spiritual" belief is that both pre-modern pre-rational religion and post-modern New Ageism both do an honor and a disservice to spirituality itself. An honor because everyone and their belief is a reflection and expression of the ultimate reality (albeit each expression itself can be empirically identified and mapped on a stage conception or hierarchy of levels of psychological development) and a disservice because they both fall to intellectual scrutiny (along with scientific reductionist fundamentalism or the belief that only matter is real and subjective experience isn't).

Basically pre-modern religion got beat up by modern science (pretty much got it's ass kicked) and post-modern new ageism was a knee jerk counter reaction to that stifling and disenchantment of militant scientism. Where scientism threw the baby out with the bath water post-modern new ageism sprinkled in some bad science, went out and got the baby and as much looney tunes pre-modern bath water that it could find that it lost and drowned the baby in the process.

Both pre and post-modern views can equally and unnecessarily detract from authentic spirituality. For example, the pre-modern belief that gay and lesbians are an abomination to God and the post modern belief that you can manifest your destiny by collapsing the wave function with your consciousness (through the Copenhagen Interpretation) are both just peripheral beliefs projected onto the cultural labeling of "spiritual". Whereas someone who spontaneously plunges into nondual awareness or realizes the non-conceptual nature of reality or realizes that the deepest domains of consciousness are ever-present and outside of time and space and is substratum of existence itself are examples of authentic "spiritual" realities...but, most importantly...when anyone has an authentic spiritual experience, (or any experience for that matter) they can only interpret it, by whatever stage of psychological development they are at. Sort of like what a 5 year old a 12 year old and a 40 year old would tell you what a movie was about or what it meant. So someone could have an Intense nondual awakening and interpret it as Jesus or Muhammad is the only way and someone at a higher stage could report that -reality as we perceive it is an illusion, and at the deepest level, we all share the same identity which is non-personal, non-local, atemporal and eternal.
 
2014-05-24 02:20:20 AM

Tetrazphere: Spiritual" is a pretty wide brush, I assume you're referring to New Age belief.


Eh, pretty much all such superstition nonsense. Most of it gets lumped under New Age, but even Buddhism has a hard core of fictional wankery to go along with its philosophy.
 
2014-05-24 02:20:32 AM

kling_klang_bed: It wasn't a cult who indoctrinated them. It was the Holy One himself:

[therevealer.org image 850x431]

The mom is aware that 18+ these kids can do what the fark ever without her consent, right? Even if it means joining a bogus cult (aka, any religion that isn't Pastafarianism). I hope there is an actual cult and they sue her into oblivion, all while tap dancing and blasting Behemoth in front of their house afterwards.


If they did it while her children where at public school, then the age of the student is moot.
 
2014-05-24 02:23:08 AM

Tetrazphere: authentic spirituality.


There's a new one for the oxymoron list.
 
2014-05-24 02:28:46 AM

Tetrazphere: authentic spirituality


magical thinking is magical thinking. There is no such thing as "authentic spirituality". It's the same bullshiat wrapped in a new package.
 
2014-05-24 02:29:53 AM

log_jammin: Tetrazphere: authentic spirituality

magical thinking is magical thinking. There is no such thing as "authentic spirituality". It's the same bullshiat wrapped in a new package.


As the quote goes, "Deepak Chopra is full of shiat!"
 
2014-05-24 02:32:34 AM

Tetrazphere: scientism


I missed that.

Now I know not to take you seriously ever again.
 
2014-05-24 02:33:56 AM
gozar_the_destroyer:

If they did it while her children where were at public school, then the age of the student is moot.

FTFY

If her one kid is 22 and still in a public school, I think that one speaks volumes!
 
2014-05-24 02:34:05 AM

Boojum2k: As the quote goes, "Deepak Chopra is full of shiat!"


I hadn't heard of him until just now
 
2014-05-24 02:36:55 AM
Well, when I was in Highschool a teacher indoctrinated me into a cult. That teacher was cool, one of my favorites

/CSB
//No blood sacrifices or dancing naked
 
2014-05-24 02:38:32 AM

Boojum2k: log_jammin: Tetrazphere: authentic spirituality

magical thinking is magical thinking. There is no such thing as "authentic spirituality". It's the same bullshiat wrapped in a new package.

As the quote goes, "Deepak Chopra is full of shiat!"


I've always maintained spirituality is just religion for people with commitment issues.
 
2014-05-24 02:38:54 AM

log_jammin: Boojum2k: As the quote goes, "Deepak Chopra is full of shiat!"

I hadn't heard of him until just now


http://youtu.be/F5-mLoeNxn0

Starts at the really relevant part :)
 
2014-05-24 02:51:12 AM

kling_klang_bed: gozar_the_destroyer:

If they did it while her children where were at public school, then the age of the student is moot.

FTFY

If her one kid is 22 and still in a public school, I think that one speaks volumes!



There are colleges that are publicly funded. Universities too. Also, this might have taken place some time in the past 4 years (or started then) and the first thing that the parents did was have their children go to therapy to have the cult freuded out of them. Now that the kids are no longer messed up, they are taking legal action.


/Still put even money on the group being Christian and into the Rapture and Revelations
//Sorry about the spelling, new meds are still kicking in and English is a non-conformist when it comes to spelling rules to begin with
 
2014-05-24 03:30:40 AM

Boojum2k: Tetrazphere: Spiritual" is a pretty wide brush, I assume you're referring to New Age belief.

Eh, pretty much all such superstition nonsense. Most of it gets lumped under New Age, but even Buddhism has a hard core of fictional wankery to go along with its philosophy.


That's what I'm saying, take any instituion, Buddhism, Christianity, a political party...and you will have many expressions and interpretations of it (including wankery) exactly because people are at verying degrees of psychological development.


log_jammin: Tetrazphere: authentic spirituality

magical thinking is magical thinking. There is no such thing as "authentic spirituality". It's the same bullshiat wrapped in a new package.


Magical thinking is magical thinking! Absolutely (see "magical" in chart below) I have to disagree with you on the spirituality thing, In my opinion, the reality that "spirituality" is referenced to in my usage is the only unchanging reality.

Here's a single example of a map of psychological development. Note Green is post-modern...where new ageism hangs out among other things, there's many ways besides new ageism that green expresses but new ageism is almost only found at green

...orange is the birth of modernism rationalism and science...blue and below is pre-modern traditional religeons, the old testament etc.. note...There are expressions of all religeons at every point on the map,..some things mapped like republicans tend to number more around blue., while liberals more around green.

img.fark.net

log_jammin: Tetrazphere: scientism

I missed that.

Now I know not to take you seriously ever again.


You may have misinterpreted my aim...I am completley in love with science and find any philosophy that does not incorporate or integrate science is hollow. i just do not like the narrow brand of science that claims it is the only thing that is real, which seems to be the most popular brand here.
 
2014-05-24 03:42:21 AM
I was indoctrinated into a cult once.  All it took was one listen to Cities On Flame with Rock and Roll, but I was young and impressionable.
 
2014-05-24 03:59:12 AM
The couple says their two older daughters were "indoctrinated into a religious cult that promotes martyrdom and celebrates death,"

Well, offhand I can only think of one religion which likes to have a small model of a man being tortured to death in every classroom it runs. Hellooooooooooooooooo, Christianity.
 
2014-05-24 04:00:49 AM

Tetrazphere: Here's a single example of a map of psychological development. Note Green is post-modern...where new ageism hangs out among other things, there's many ways besides new ageism that green expresses but new ageism is almost only found at green

...orange is the birth of modernism rationalism and science...blue and below is pre-modern traditional religeons, the old testament etc.. note...There are expressions of all religeons at every point on the map,..some things mapped like republicans tend to number more around blue., while liberals more around green.


you are giving different labels to different sections of the same turd. and your "map" is pure gibberish.

Tetrazphere: i just do not like the narrow brand of science that claims it is the only thing that is real, which seems to be the most popular brand here.


It's the most popular because it's true.
 
2014-05-24 04:03:15 AM

wildcardjack: Say what you will, teens locked into watching their phones are fun to trip.


Or run over with the car, either way really.
 
2014-05-24 04:19:53 AM

Tetrazphere: Boojum2k: Tetrazphere: Spiritual" is a pretty wide brush, I assume you're referring to New Age belief.

Eh, pretty much all such superstition nonsense. Most of it gets lumped under New Age, but even Buddhism has a hard core of fictional wankery to go along with its philosophy.

That's what I'm saying, take any instituion, Buddhism, Christianity, a political party...and you will have many expressions and interpretations of it (including wankery) exactly because people are at verying degrees of psychological development.


log_jammin: Tetrazphere: authentic spirituality

magical thinking is magical thinking. There is no such thing as "authentic spirituality". It's the same bullshiat wrapped in a new package.

Magical thinking is magical thinking! Absolutely (see "magical" in chart below) I have to disagree with you on the spirituality thing, In my opinion, the reality that "spirituality" is referenced to in my usage is the only unchanging reality.

Here's a single example of a map of psychological development. Note Green is post-modern...where new ageism hangs out among other things, there's many ways besides new ageism that green expresses but new ageism is almost only found at green

...orange is the birth of modernism rationalism and science...blue and below is pre-modern traditional religeons, the old testament etc.. note...There are expressions of all religeons at every point on the map,..some things mapped like republicans tend to number more around blue., while liberals more around green.

[img.fark.net image 749x859]

log_jammin: Tetrazphere: scientism

I missed that.

Now I know not to take you seriously ever again.

You may have misinterpreted my aim...I am completley in love with science and find any philosophy that does not incorporate or integrate science is hollow. i just do not like the narrow brand of science that claims it is the only thing that is real, which seems to be the most popular brand here.



I suspect that many of those on here that subscribe to the strict science and atheist mantra on here do so mainly out of counter culture towards popular culture. They look to become more individual and then join a group that parrots just as much as the greatest religious ideologue. I would encourage them to try and think for themselves, but this would only result in spaghetti being thrown at me.

Willful ignorance combined with apathy is a hard barrier to burst.


/An interesting chart with an interesting source.
//but leaving out 2 major human events from the considerations made in his work is a little shortsighted
 
2014-05-24 04:30:17 AM

log_jammin: Tetrazphere: Here's a single example of a map of psychological development. Note Green is post-modern...where new ageism hangs out among other things, there's many ways besides new ageism that green expresses but new ageism is almost only found at green

...orange is the birth of modernism rationalism and science...blue and below is pre-modern traditional religeons, the old testament etc.. note...There are expressions of all religeons at every point on the map,..some things mapped like republicans tend to number more around blue., while liberals more around green.

you are giving different labels to different sections of the same turd. and your "map" is pure gibberish.

Tetrazphere: i just do not like the narrow brand of science that claims it is the only thing that is real, which seems to be the most popular brand here.

It's the most popular because it's true.



Any true scientist would not exclude a possibility without complete data. A zealot on the other hand, will continue to believe in only their 'truth' regardless of data.

Science has not finished a complete survey of the workings of the universe. No religion has complete proof or disproof about its philosophies.

We should work to fill in our gaps in knowledge. We should NOT point at each other like children and declare one right and the all rest wrong. Without careful and complete study, either or even both sides could be wrong about some things or everything.

\was that too rational for Fark?
\\Scientific method applied to all things does work
 
2014-05-24 04:33:41 AM
Meanwhile, in Oklahoma...

i0.wp.com

Link
 
2014-05-24 04:38:38 AM
gozar_the_destroyer: I suspect that many of those on here that subscribe to the strict science and atheist mantra on here do so mainly out of counter culture towards popular culture. They look to become more individual and then join a group that parrots just as much as the greatest religious ideologue. I would encourage them to try and think for themselves, but this would only result in spaghetti being thrown at me.

Willful ignorance combined with apathy is a hard barrier to burst.


Indeed, though I believe the inverse is true as well, that in many parts of society that scientific fundamentalism is the pop cultural view. just a reflection of the evolving collective development.

/An interesting chart with an interesting source.

//but leaving out 2 major human events from the considerations made in his work is a little shortsighted


.....and those would be?
 
2014-05-24 04:47:12 AM

gozar_the_destroyer: I suspect that many of those on here that subscribe to the strict science and atheist mantra on here do so mainly out of counter culture towards popular culture.


did you just call people who believe in the scientific method..."science hipsters"???

hilarious!

gozar_the_destroyer: Any true scientist would not exclude a possibility without complete data.


and he would also understand that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

gozar_the_destroyer: \\Scientific method applied to all things does work


AKA: "scientism"

I guess I don't have to take you seriously either.
 
2014-05-24 04:53:10 AM
gozar_the_destroyer:Any true scientist would not exclude a possibility without complete data. A zealot on the other hand, will continue to believe in only their 'truth' regardless of data.

Science has not finished a complete survey of the workings of the universe. No religion has complete proof or disproof about its philosophies.

We should work to fill in our gaps in knowledge. We should NOT point at each other like children and declare one right and the all rest wrong. Without careful and complete study, either or even both sides could be wrong about some things or everything.


Gozar - I think the integration of science and spirituality is happening now, I think a complete resolution is emerging in this time...first time in history that all of the world views can interact with each other freely, sort of sharpening each other...

An example of integrated maps of science/spirituality or Subjective first person perspective/consciousness and Objective third person perspective/matter-

integralism.com

www.psykosyntese.dk
 
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