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2014-05-23 05:46:45 PM  
You almost have to feel bad for Mitch at this point.  He's incredibly unpopular with his own people, and no amount of derp will ever satisfy the tea party.  He really should just retire.
 
2014-05-23 05:54:22 PM  
McConnell: "Competition almost always works to keep prices down and quality up."

The way it did before the law was enacted, right?

It's not like there weren't competitors in the health market before, what makes states being unable to set up their own regulations any different?
 
2014-05-23 05:56:14 PM  

nmrsnr: McConnell: "Competition almost always works to keep prices down and quality up."


What the hell does he think an exchange is?
 
2014-05-23 06:32:40 PM  

shroom: You almost have to feel bad for Mitch at this point.


No. fark him. May he live a life of shame and humiliation.
 
2014-05-23 06:38:03 PM  
I've got a great idea - let's expand Medicare coverage above the current income cutoff, ban pre-existing condition clauses from health insurance policies, and set up state and federal insurance exchanges where people without current insurance can purchase it.

We'll call it Patriotcare.  It'll be wildly popular among conservatives, unlike that awful Obamacare.
 
2014-05-23 07:37:23 PM  

shroom: You almost have to feel bad for Mitch at this point.


Not really.
 
2014-05-23 07:47:06 PM  

shroom: nmrsnr: McConnell: "Competition almost always works to keep prices down and quality up."

What the hell does he think an exchange is?


He actually does have a good point. It would be better if someone in State A could buy insurance from a provider in State B. From what I understand, Obamacare doesn't allow for that. If it did, that would likely improve outcomes significantly. I'm not American, so I'm not sure why that wasn't built-in from the getgo.

However, McConnell wants to appeal it instead of just fixing that one problem -- I think that's the main problem with his statement.
 
2014-05-23 07:56:07 PM  

Msol: It would be better if someone in State A could buy insurance from a provider in State B. From what I understand, Obamacare doesn't allow for that. If it did, that would likely improve outcomes significantly. I'm not American, so I'm not sure why that wasn't built-in from the getgo.


The problem is this would result in every provider gathering in the state with the fewest regulations. It would mean that states would have no control over the standards of health insurance providers that function within them.
 
2014-05-23 08:05:22 PM  
Regarding Turtlehead's opponent, someone who's allegedly the "Democrats' prized recruit" shouldn't be so mealy-mouthed in her attempts to not alienate anyone. There's such a thing as "too cautious." Maybe I'm just being unrealistic about her approach, but I'd rather see her pull on a pair of boots and start kicking some ass.
 
2014-05-23 08:08:17 PM  

Bloody William: The problem is this would result in every provider gathering in the state with the fewest regulations


Delaware it is!
 
2014-05-23 08:29:05 PM  

robmilmel: Bloody William: The problem is this would result in every provider gathering in the state with the fewest regulations

Delaware it is!


Or South Dakota.  Ever looked at your credit card statement?  Delaware or South Dakota.
 
2014-05-23 08:32:01 PM  

Msol: He actually does have a good point. It would be better if someone in State A could buy insurance from a provider in State B. From what I understand, Obamacare doesn't allow for that. If it did, that would likely improve outcomes significantly. I'm not American, so I'm not sure why that wasn't built-in from the getgo.


The insurance companies would do what corporations in other industries do - move to the state with the most "business-friendly" (read: anti-consumer) laws.  All the big banks and credit card companies are incorporated in Delaware and North Dakota, for example, states that have basically zero consumer protection laws.

And by "move", all we're really talking about is opening a mailing address in a particular state in order to have a corporate registraion there.  There's buildings in Delaware that are the physical "address" of tens of thousands of different corporations.  Interesting subject to read about.
 
2014-05-23 08:34:59 PM  

shroom: nmrsnr: McConnell: "Competition almost always works to keep prices down and quality up."

What the hell does he think an exchange is?


socialism
 
2014-05-23 08:37:13 PM  

shroom: Msol: He actually does have a good point. It would be better if someone in State A could buy insurance from a provider in State B. From what I understand, Obamacare doesn't allow for that. If it did, that would likely improve outcomes significantly. I'm not American, so I'm not sure why that wasn't built-in from the getgo.

The insurance companies would do what corporations in other industries do - move to the state with the most "business-friendly" (read: anti-consumer) laws.  All the big banks and credit card companies are incorporated in Delaware and North Dakota, for example, states that have basically zero consumer protection laws.

And by "move", all we're really talking about is opening a mailing address in a particular state in order to have a corporate registraion there.  There's buildings in Delaware that are the physical "address" of tens of thousands of different corporations.  Interesting subject to read about.


Came here to say this. So all I can really add is: THIS!
 
2014-05-23 08:42:45 PM  
"Competition almost always works to keep prices down and quality up."

Except, you know, when companies collude to fix prices. But that never happens.
 
2014-05-23 08:44:31 PM  
Old-age mutant two-faced turtle...
Old-age mutant two-faced turtle...
Old-age mutant two-faced turtle...
You should stay in your shell!
 
2014-05-23 08:48:39 PM  
This reminds me of Mitt Romney watching President Obama taking credit for his signature legislation and not being able to do a damn thing about it...

If Republicans could admit that the ACA was their idea, their polls wouldnt be in the basement.

But they just dont have it in them...
 
2014-05-23 08:50:22 PM  

shroom: Msol: He actually does have a good point. It would be better if someone in State A could buy insurance from a provider in State B. From what I understand, Obamacare doesn't allow for that. If it did, that would likely improve outcomes significantly. I'm not American, so I'm not sure why that wasn't built-in from the getgo.

The insurance companies would do what corporations in other industries do - move to the state with the most "business-friendly" (read: anti-consumer) laws.  All the big banks and credit card companies are incorporated in Delaware and North Dakota, for example, states that have basically zero consumer protection laws.

And by "move", all we're really talking about is opening a mailing address in a particular state in order to have a corporate registraion there.  There's buildings in Delaware that are the physical "address" of tens of thousands of different corporations.  Interesting subject to read about.


Congress has the power to regulate interstate commerce but chooses not to in these cases. They could make the law explicitly state that insurance companies can choose to operate across state lines but if they do, they are subject to each state's laws instead of the state their post office box is located in. But they probably won't do that either.
 
2014-05-23 08:52:11 PM  

Msol: shroom: nmrsnr: McConnell: "Competition almost always works to keep prices down and quality up."

What the hell does he think an exchange is?

He actually does have a good point. It would be better if someone in State A could buy insurance from a provider in State B. From what I understand, Obamacare doesn't allow for that. If it did, that would likely improve outcomes significantly. I'm not American, so I'm not sure why that wasn't built-in from the getgo.

However, McConnell wants to appeal it instead of just fixing that one problem -- I think that's the main problem with his statement.


There is authority in Obamacare for states to create interstate compacts where insurance could be sold in any state that is a member of the compact. There's also authority for HHS to sell two plans everywhere in the country unless the state opts out of their sales. That said, we know that he's actually looking for health insurance to become credit cards like other Farkers have already mentioned.
 
2014-05-23 08:57:28 PM  

shroom: You almost have to feel bad for Mitch at this point.  He's incredibly unpopular with his own people, and no amount of derp will ever satisfy the tea party.  He really should just retire.


I don't feel bad for Mitch. His actions have done desperate harm to millions of workers in the US since since the fall of Lehman Brothers. In my opinion he should walk onto a road, retract into his shell, and reprise the intro of the Grapes of Wrath
 
2014-05-23 09:00:29 PM  
"Competition almost always works to keep prices down and quality up."

And health care is one of those times when it doesn't.

The standard rules of supply and demand don't apply when the demand can be literally a matter of life or death.  How much is it worth to you to not die?

It's the same reason supply and demand doesn't apply when you try to get a plumber to come out to your house at 3 AM on a Sunday morning because the toilet is overflowing and shiat-water is flowing down your hallway.
 
2014-05-23 09:01:26 PM  

Bloody William: Msol: It would be better if someone in State A could buy insurance from a provider in State B. From what I understand, Obamacare doesn't allow for that. If it did, that would likely improve outcomes significantly. I'm not American, so I'm not sure why that wasn't built-in from the getgo.

The problem is this would result in every provider gathering in the state with the fewest regulations. It would mean that states would have no control over the standards of health insurance providers that function within them.


And good luck finding a doctor in Florida that takes your Alaska issued insurance.
 
2014-05-23 09:01:58 PM  

DrBenway: Regarding Turtlehead's opponent, someone who's allegedly the "Democrats' prized recruit" shouldn't be so mealy-mouthed in her attempts to not alienate anyone. There's such a thing as "too cautious." Maybe I'm just being unrealistic about her approach, but I'd rather see her pull on a pair of boots and start kicking some ass.



I'll fap to that!

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2014-05-23 09:05:43 PM  
Wait.

Did he really go "Let's repeal Obamacare, but we'll keep all the goodies that it gave Kentucky.  Oh and by the way Kynect is completely unrelated to Obamacare anyways"???

WTF?!?!?!?!?!!??
 
2014-05-23 09:09:29 PM  
You ccidentally spelled his first name with an M instead of a B subs.
 
2014-05-23 09:18:38 PM  

meat0918: Wait.

Did he really go "Let's repeal Obamacare, but we'll keep all the goodies that it gave Kentucky.  Oh and by the way Kynect is completely unrelated to Obamacare anyways"???

WTF?!?!?!?!?!!??


Yes.

Please remember how stupid Republicans are.
 
2014-05-23 09:19:57 PM  

meat0918: Wait.

Did he really go "Let's repeal Obamacare, but we'll keep all the goodies that it gave Kentucky.  Oh and by the way Kynect is completely unrelated to Obamacare anyways"???

WTF?!?!?!?!?!!??


You weren't expecting honesty or coherent policy from the Republican leadership, were you?
 
2014-05-23 09:26:56 PM  
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Who knew turtles could have beards?
 
2014-05-23 09:27:36 PM  

meat0918: Wait.
Did he really go "Let's repeal Obamacare, but we'll keep all the goodies that it gave Kentucky.  Oh and by the way Kynect is completely unrelated to Obamacare anyways"???
WTF?!?!?!?!?!!??


How can this possibly surprise you?

"We knowingly and willfully created this increased federal budget, but refuse to enact any measures to increase federal revenues."

"We can't increase security funding at our embassies. But we're going to spend millions of dollars investigating any problems caused by a lack of security."

"We can't afford to keep subsidizing PBS for every citizen in America at $400 million this year. In other news, we're mandating that the Army acquire an additional $8 billion worth of tanks that will never be used and they say they don't want, because we can't put a price on our national security."
 
2014-05-23 09:27:58 PM  

Delay: shroom: You almost have to feel bad for Mitch at this point.  He's incredibly unpopular with his own people, and no amount of derp will ever satisfy the tea party.  He really should just retire.

I don't feel bad for Mitch. His actions have done desperate harm to millions of workers in the US since since the fall of Lehman Brothers. In my opinion he should walk onto a road, retract into his shell, and reprise the intro of the Grapes of Wrath


The turtle walked away from that one.
 
2014-05-23 09:29:52 PM  

Bloody William: Msol: It would be better if someone in State A could buy insurance from a provider in State B. From what I understand, Obamacare doesn't allow for that. If it did, that would likely improve outcomes significantly. I'm not American, so I'm not sure why that wasn't built-in from the getgo.

The problem is this would result in every provider gathering in the state with the fewest regulations. It would mean that states would have no control over the standards of health insurance providers that function within them.


The other issue is, the policies are currently designed for residents and healthcare providers of a certain state. If I sell a policy for a state with relatively low costs (let's say Kentucky) and someone from a state with higher costs (let's say New York) buys the Kentucky plan, that person is still probably going to try to use it in New York. Kentucky premiums aren't going to cover New York costs. So one of the following things is going to have to happen: 1) the insurer stiffs the provider, or fails to cover enough of the costs, and the provider drops the insurer; or 2) the insurer increases the premiums for both the Kentucky customers and the New York customers, thus hurting everyone.

So it sounds to me like the "reform" that McConnell is proposing either shows that he has no clue how the health insurance market works, or he's actively trying to undermine the Affordable Care Act (and of course blame it on Obama). Given his history I'm tempted to say it's the latter.
 
2014-05-23 09:30:03 PM  
Vote the GOP out of the House and Senate, remove insurance companies from the equation completely, simplify the law, hire more doctors and nurses and pay the well, don't hire so many useless bureaucrats (managers), set up oversight committees that have term limits in place to prevent fraud = problem solved.

Poll: Most Americans want to keep Obamacare in some form

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/07/01/poll-most -a mericans-want-to-keep-obamacare-in-some-form/
 
2014-05-23 09:31:35 PM  

Msol: shroom: nmrsnr: McConnell: "Competition almost always works to keep prices down and quality up."

What the hell does he think an exchange is?

He actually does have a good point. It would be better if someone in State A could buy insurance from a provider in State B. From what I understand, Obamacare doesn't allow for that. If it did, that would likely improve outcomes significantly. I'm not American, so I'm not sure why that wasn't built-in from the getgo.

However, McConnell wants to appeal it instead of just fixing that one problem -- I think that's the main problem with his statement.


In recent years, the GOP has become the champion of State Rights and Sovereignty -- until the issue of insurance company profits pop up. Suddenly, the idea of a state setting minimum standards for healthcare policies within its own borders become obscene. Living in Illinois, I dread the possibility of my healthcare coverage being reduced to what Mississippi legislators consider sufficient.
 
2014-05-23 09:33:44 PM  
Attention Grimes campaign, just have your candidate say this:

Mitch McConnell says he hates Obamacare but when it came time to fight for uninsured Kentuckians he let Pres. Obama design it any way he wanted. Hate Obamacare? Now you know why.
 
2014-05-23 09:42:45 PM  
A rose by any other name would smell as sweet, unless the rose was named after the first black president in which case fark THAT shiat WE HAVE TO DESTROY IT BEFORE IT COMES FOR OUR CHILDREN!
 
2014-05-23 09:45:03 PM  

Msol: He actually does have a good point. It would be better if someone in State A could buy insurance from a provider in State B. From what I understand, Obamacare doesn't allow for that. If it did, that would likely improve outcomes significantly. I'm not American, so I'm not sure why that wasn't built-in from the getgo.


You supposedly study economics and don't understand why this is an absolutely retarded idea? You must be a devotee of the Chicago/Austrian school of "thought".  I suggest (for the good of humanity) finding a field you can begin to understand, maybe something closer to this?  The good news is, if enough of your fellow devotees take this advice, you could earn a living wage for an honest day's work.
 
2014-05-23 09:45:24 PM  

Arkanaut: The other issue is, the policies are currently designed for residents and healthcare providers of a certain state. If I sell a policy for a state with relatively low costs (let's say Kentucky) and someone from a state with higher costs (let's say New York) buys the Kentucky plan, that person is still probably going to try to use it in New York. Kentucky premiums aren't going to cover New York costs. So one of the following things is going to have to happen: 1) the insurer stiffs the provider, or fails to cover enough of the costs, and the provider drops the insurer; or 2) the insurer increases the premiums for both the Kentucky customers and the New York customers, thus hurting everyone.

So it sounds to me like the "reform" that McConnell is proposing either shows that he has no clue how the health insurance market works, or he's actively trying to undermine the Affordable Care Act (and of course blame it on Obama). Given his history I'm tempted to say it's the latter.


That's a moot point; there won't be a single doctor in NY that will be in network w/ the KY plan.
 
2014-05-23 09:50:59 PM  
FTA: McConnell told reporters that the fate of Kynect - Kentucky's state-run health insurance exchange - is not linked to the federal health care law. But the exchange would not exist if not for the federal law that created it.

"This law is terrible and all of the good that it has caused in my state is in no way related to it!"

Also FTA: [T]he Democratic nominee has declined to say whether she would have voted for the law had she been in office when it was approved in 2010, saying only she would work to fix the law if elected.

EVERY large federal bill gets worked on essentially the day after passage. Nothing is perfect and the ACA is no exception. It needs to be improved and worked on (as is historical precedent for every large federal bill that becomes law). Have some goddammed balls and say that you would have passed the bill because it improved the status quo, but that you are ready to amend it to better serve the needs of your State.

There is no farking shame in the Democrats owning "Obamacare". It has improved health care far more than the GOP do nothing approach of the past.
 
2014-05-23 09:55:45 PM  

common sense is an oxymoron: Delay: shroom: You almost have to feel bad for Mitch at this point.  He's incredibly unpopular with his own people, and no amount of derp will ever satisfy the tea party.  He really should just retire.

I don't feel bad for Mitch. His actions have done desperate harm to millions of workers in the US since since the fall of Lehman Brothers. In my opinion he should walk onto a road, retract into his shell, and reprise the intro of the Grapes of Wrath

The turtle walked away from that one.


progressivepopulist.org
 
2014-05-23 10:08:21 PM  

Karac: "Competition almost always works to keep prices down and quality up."

And health care is one of those times when it doesn't.

The standard rules of supply and demand don't apply when the demand can be literally a matter of life or death.  How much is it worth to you to not die?


This has always been one of those things I don't understand: we don't privatize police and fire departments (I know, don't give them ideas) why would we want any other essential life-or-death services privatized?
 
2014-05-23 10:10:35 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Arkanaut: The other issue is, the policies are currently designed for residents and healthcare providers of a certain state. If I sell a policy for a state with relatively low costs (let's say Kentucky) and someone from a state with higher costs (let's say New York) buys the Kentucky plan, that person is still probably going to try to use it in New York. Kentucky premiums aren't going to cover New York costs. So one of the following things is going to have to happen: 1) the insurer stiffs the provider, or fails to cover enough of the costs, and the provider drops the insurer; or 2) the insurer increases the premiums for both the Kentucky customers and the New York customers, thus hurting everyone.

So it sounds to me like the "reform" that McConnell is proposing either shows that he has no clue how the health insurance market works, or he's actively trying to undermine the Affordable Care Act (and of course blame it on Obama). Given his history I'm tempted to say it's the latter.

That's a moot point; there won't be a single doctor in NY that will be in network w/ the KY plan.


Yeah, probably. That's what I was trying to say - that even assuming some kind of starting point where a plan sold in Kentucky is somehow also sold and accepted in New York, it wouldn't be a tenable situation.

That said, come to think of it, the plan seems to be to allow insurers to sell across state lines, not to allow consumers to buy any plan they want across state lines. So what could end up happening is simply that if the insurer couldn't make a given plan in one state, they'll just sell a different plan in that state. So it's really all about the regulation issue that Bloody William brought up.

Funny how Republicans are for state rights until farking over state insurance commissioners (and not a few of their own constituents) serves them politically.
 
2014-05-23 10:21:05 PM  

SilentStrider: shroom: You almost have to feel bad for Mitch at this point.

Not really.


In the same way I feel bad for Charlie Manson or Qaddafi, I guess.
 
2014-05-23 10:21:18 PM  

Arkanaut: Bloody William: Msol: It would be better if someone in State A could buy insurance from a provider in State B. From what I understand, Obamacare doesn't allow for that. If it did, that would likely improve outcomes significantly. I'm not American, so I'm not sure why that wasn't built-in from the getgo.

The problem is this would result in every provider gathering in the state with the fewest regulations. It would mean that states would have no control over the standards of health insurance providers that function within them.

The other issue is, the policies are currently designed for residents and healthcare providers of a certain state. If I sell a policy for a state with relatively low costs (let's say Kentucky) and someone from a state with higher costs (let's say New York) buys the Kentucky plan, that person is still probably going to try to use it in New York. Kentucky premiums aren't going to cover New York costs. So one of the following things is going to have to happen: 1) the insurer stiffs the provider, or fails to cover enough of the costs, and the provider drops the insurer; or 2) the insurer increases the premiums for both the Kentucky customers and the New York customers, thus hurting everyone.

So it sounds to me like the "reform" that McConnell is proposing either shows that he has no clue how the health insurance market works, or he's actively trying to undermine the Affordable Care Act (and of course blame it on Obama). Given his history I'm tempted to say it's the latter.


You do realize in this case it could be both, it is not an either/or situation.
 
2014-05-23 10:28:42 PM  

Msol: He actually does have a good point. It would be better if someone in State A could buy insurance from a provider in State B. From what I understand, Obamacare doesn't allow for that. If it did, that would likely improve outcomes significantly. I'm not American, so I'm not sure why that wasn't built-in from the getgo.


Actually you can already. As long as the laws for plan A are legal in state B. You can already buy insurance over state lines.

What he wants is so insurance companies can shut down in every state and just supply insurance out of the state with the best rules for them and then sell it everywhere else.

That is not more competition that is LESS. It is what the credit card companies already do.

This would also diminish states rights.
 
2014-05-23 10:29:24 PM  

meat0918: Wait.

Did he really go "Let's repeal Obamacare, but we'll keep all the goodies that it gave Kentucky.  Oh and by the way Kynect is completely unrelated to Obamacare anyways"???

WTF?!?!?!?!?!!??


He's a bald faced liar, motivated only by naked ambition.

Make more sense now?
 
2014-05-23 10:30:35 PM  

I Browse: DrBenway: Regarding Turtlehead's opponent, someone who's allegedly the "Democrats' prized recruit" shouldn't be so mealy-mouthed in her attempts to not alienate anyone. There's such a thing as "too cautious." Maybe I'm just being unrealistic about her approach, but I'd rather see her pull on a pair of black thigh-high stiletto-heeled boots and start kicking whipping some ass.


I'll fap to that!

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...because I'm a helper. Mind you, this is as far as I go. You'll have to take it from here.
 
2014-05-23 10:45:07 PM  
Man I miss those Tippy Turtle cartoon segments from SNL back in the 80's. Why can't TV nerds put together the complete season(s) that Lorne Michaels seems to have nuked? (like they salvaged the Star Wars Holiday Special).  Jon Stewart would have a field day showing those cartoons.
 
2014-05-23 10:48:50 PM  

Egalitarian: Man I miss those Tippy Turtle cartoon segments from SNL back in the 80's.


Hey, Tippy Turtle, walkin' down the street!
Tell us what you're gonna do!
"First I'm gonna bother everybody I meet!
Then I'll prob'ly go home and get drunk."
 
2014-05-23 11:04:28 PM  

common sense is an oxymoron: Delay: shroom: You almost have to feel bad for Mitch at this point.  He's incredibly unpopular with his own people, and no amount of derp will ever satisfy the tea party.  He really should just retire.

I don't feel bad for Mitch. His actions have done desperate harm to millions of workers in the US since since the fall of Lehman Brothers. In my opinion he should walk onto a road, retract into his shell, and reprise the intro of the Grapes of Wrath

The turtle walked away from that one.


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2014-05-23 11:32:17 PM  
When pressed to clarify his position, McConnell had this to say.

"What I meant was that we're going to turn health insurance into another 'race to the bottom' industry, and in exchange for generous campaign contributions we're going to make Kentucky the bottomest bottom to ever take it in the pooper.  They'll be able to operate multi-million dollar corporations out of a p.o. box thousands of miles away from where any of the corporate officers actually live, and since all their employees will be in call centers and processing offices in South Bumfark Pakistan happily denying every claim using all the loopholes we'll give them, they won't even have to pay any state taxes."
 
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