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(Salon)   Following North Carolina's lead in dealing with climate change, US House "Science" committee votes up law specifically forbidding the military from studying or planning for it   (salon.com) divider line 143
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2014-05-23 06:44:52 PM  
"Most people may not realize that 96 percent of all the CO2 emissions occur naturally."

Well they might if you let the military study it, bonehead.  "People are ignorant, so we can't study this or they might no longer be ignorant."  To people whose idea of the greatest sin mankind ever committed was eating fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, this probably makes sense.
 
2014-05-23 06:48:59 PM  
The GOP's acting like traitors again? Not news.
 
2014-05-23 07:22:31 PM  

syrynxx: "Most people may not realize that 96 percent of all the CO2 emissions occur naturally."

Well they might if you let the military study it, bonehead.  "People are ignorant, so we can't study this or they might no longer be ignorant."  To people whose idea of the greatest sin mankind ever committed was eating fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, this probably makes sense.


Not to mention that those arguments themselves demonstrate a severe lack of comprehension on the topic.  So 4% of the emissions are man-made?  Interesting.  If 4% is so insignificant, why whould there be outrage over a tax increase of 4%?

I wonder if a 4% increase of salinity in your bloodstream would make any difference.  How about a 4% increase of lead in the atmosphere?  How about a 4% increase in unemployment?
 
2014-05-23 07:26:03 PM  
Um... Even assuming mankind contributes absolutely nothing to climate change, wouldn't nature's climate change effects still be necessary to prepare for?
 
2014-05-23 07:28:27 PM  

Quasar: Um... Even assuming mankind contributes absolutely nothing to climate change, wouldn't nature's climate change effects still be necessary to prepare for?


Shut up, you.  This is politics, not reason.
 
2014-05-23 07:36:18 PM  

Quasar: Um... Even assuming mankind contributes absolutely nothing to climate change, wouldn't nature's climate change effects still be necessary to prepare for?



No. Because Jesus.
 
2014-05-23 07:54:14 PM  

Quasar: Um... Even assuming mankind contributes absolutely nothing to climate change, wouldn't nature's climate change effects still be necessary to prepare for?


No. A couple of years ago the NC State Legislature passed a bill forbidding the seas to rise.

Check and Mate, Libtard.
 
2014-05-23 07:55:30 PM  
two landmark, comprehensive reports reflecting the work of hundreds of the world's top climate scientists and experts - or, as McKinley referred to it, "ideology."

Ah, the same argument they use to keep the CDC from studying gun violence. Points for consistency, at least.
 
2014-05-23 07:56:01 PM  
the science committee later ruled to formally rename 'climate change' to 'weather'
 
2014-05-23 07:58:07 PM  

fusillade762: two landmark, comprehensive reports reflecting the work of hundreds of the world's top climate scientists and experts - or, as McKinley referred to it, "ideology."

Ah, the same argument they use to keep the CDC from studying gun violence. Points for consistency, at least.


I sort of see their point there. I think a study on the mental health of 'Law Abiding' gun owners might be right up the CDCs alley though.
 
2014-05-23 07:58:20 PM  

MFAWG: Quasar: Um... Even assuming mankind contributes absolutely nothing to climate change, wouldn't nature's climate change effects still be necessary to prepare for?

No. A couple of years ago the NC State Legislature passed a bill forbidding the seas to rise.

Check and Mate, Libtard.


I'm fine with that. As long as no tax dollars go to paying for houses washed away when the beach erodes.
 
2014-05-23 07:59:16 PM  
They should also legislate that Pi be considered equal to three.
 
2014-05-23 08:00:19 PM  
Whether or not global warming is man made, you'd think cleaning the air would be a good cause.
 
2014-05-23 08:00:25 PM  
In addition, all citizens are required to put their fingers in their ears and shout, "LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!"
 
2014-05-23 08:00:43 PM  

MFAWG: Quasar: Um... Even assuming mankind contributes absolutely nothing to climate change, wouldn't nature's climate change effects still be necessary to prepare for?

No. A couple of years ago the NC State Legislature passed a bill forbidding the seas to rise.

Check and Mate, Libtard.


Sounds like Caligula waging war against the sea, having his soldiers cast spears into it.
 
2014-05-23 08:01:22 PM  

whither_apophis: MFAWG: Quasar: Um... Even assuming mankind contributes absolutely nothing to climate change, wouldn't nature's climate change effects still be necessary to prepare for?

No. A couple of years ago the NC State Legislature passed a bill forbidding the seas to rise.

Check and Mate, Libtard.

I'm fine with that. As long as no tax dollars go to paying for houses washed away when the beach erodes.


Communist!!! Won't you think of the vacation homes?
 
2014-05-23 08:02:20 PM  

Fantasta Potamus: Whether or not global warming is man made, you'd think cleaning the air would be a good cause.


why does it matter?

the world won't end until god wills it to end, and he's already laid out what happens. "the temperature rises 3 degrees" isn't in revelations, so even if we're putting the world on a course for self destruction, we'll all be raptured out of it before it actually happens

and don't think 'we' includes you
 
2014-05-23 08:04:16 PM  

doyner: syrynxx: "Most people may not realize that 96 percent of all the CO2 emissions occur naturally."

Well they might if you let the military study it, bonehead.  "People are ignorant, so we can't study this or they might no longer be ignorant."  To people whose idea of the greatest sin mankind ever committed was eating fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, this probably makes sense.

Not to mention that those arguments themselves demonstrate a severe lack of comprehension on the topic.  So 4% of the emissions are man-made?  Interesting.  If 4% is so insignificant, why whould there be outrage over a tax increase of 4%?

I wonder if a 4% increase of salinity in your bloodstream would make any difference.  How about a 4% increase of lead in the atmosphere?  How about a 4% increase in unemployment?


Carbon in used to equal carbon out, that is, levels of CO2 used to be fairly stable. 4% more per year means that in 25 years the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere will double. Now, that's not entirely true, the oceans absorb it and become more acidic and other buffers exist as well. To take this statistic of 4% and pretend its a small meaninless number insults every ounce of me that values knowledge and rational discourse. Its nihilism, everything's the same and nothing we do matters, and nihilism is about the only thing on this planet I hate.
 
2014-05-23 08:07:21 PM  

MFAWG: whither_apophis: MFAWG: Quasar: Um... Even assuming mankind contributes absolutely nothing to climate change, wouldn't nature's climate change effects still be necessary to prepare for?

No. A couple of years ago the NC State Legislature passed a bill forbidding the seas to rise.

Check and Mate, Libtard.

I'm fine with that. As long as no tax dollars go to paying for houses washed away when the beach erodes.

Communist!!! Won't you think of the vacation homes?


I farking hated that so much when I was a kid/high school in Florida.  I hated that the state and feds picked up the tab for hurricane damage in uninsurable beach homes in St. Augustine.  They were all rich people's homes.  Why the fark was the tax payer picking up the tab for rich people who intentionally built in stupid areas?
 
2014-05-23 08:08:35 PM  

sprawl15: Fantasta Potamus: Whether or not global warming is man made, you'd think cleaning the air would be a good cause.

why does it matter?

the world won't end until god wills it to end, and he's already laid out what happens. "the temperature rises 3 degrees" isn't in revelations, so even if we're putting the world on a course for self destruction, we'll all be raptured out of it before it actually happens

and don't think 'we' includes you


The rapture already happened. You didn't make the cut.
 
2014-05-23 08:09:37 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: MFAWG: whither_apophis: MFAWG: Quasar: Um... Even assuming mankind contributes absolutely nothing to climate change, wouldn't nature's climate change effects still be necessary to prepare for?

No. A couple of years ago the NC State Legislature passed a bill forbidding the seas to rise.

Check and Mate, Libtard.

I'm fine with that. As long as no tax dollars go to paying for houses washed away when the beach erodes.

Communist!!! Won't you think of the vacation homes?

I farking hated that so much when I was a kid/high school in Florida.  I hated that the state and feds picked up the tab for hurricane damage in uninsurable beach homes in St. Augustine.  They were all rich people's homes.  Why the fark was the tax payer picking up the tab for rich people who intentionally built in stupid areas?


Because 'Merika.

fark yeah.

/I hate that idiocy as well.
 
2014-05-23 08:09:59 PM  
They need to introduce a bill that forbids our so called "Generals" from studying Sun Tzu, and instead requires them to check with the Bible first. God is the ultimate tactician, and I'm tired of liberals trying to turn America into a pagan wasteland.
 
2014-05-23 08:10:05 PM  

treatmints: doyner: syrynxx: "Most people may not realize that 96 percent of all the CO2 emissions occur naturally."

Well they might if you let the military study it, bonehead.  "People are ignorant, so we can't study this or they might no longer be ignorant."  To people whose idea of the greatest sin mankind ever committed was eating fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, this probably makes sense.

Not to mention that those arguments themselves demonstrate a severe lack of comprehension on the topic.  So 4% of the emissions are man-made?  Interesting.  If 4% is so insignificant, why whould there be outrage over a tax increase of 4%?

I wonder if a 4% increase of salinity in your bloodstream would make any difference.  How about a 4% increase of lead in the atmosphere?  How about a 4% increase in unemployment?

Carbon in used to equal carbon out, that is, levels of CO2 used to be fairly stable. 4% more per year means that in 25 years the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere will double. Now, that's not entirely true, the oceans absorb it and become more acidic and other buffers exist as well. To take this statistic of 4% and pretend its a small meaninless number insults every ounce of me that values knowledge and rational discourse. Its nihilism, everything's the same and nothing we do matters, and nihilism is about the only thing on this planet I hate.


Say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism...
 
2014-05-23 08:11:13 PM  

exatron: sprawl15: Fantasta Potamus: Whether or not global warming is man made, you'd think cleaning the air would be a good cause.

why does it matter?

the world won't end until god wills it to end, and he's already laid out what happens. "the temperature rises 3 degrees" isn't in revelations, so even if we're putting the world on a course for self destruction, we'll all be raptured out of it before it actually happens

and don't think 'we' includes you

The rapture already happened. You didn't make the cut.


you're thinking of rap music

and they just don't appreciate freestyle
 
2014-05-23 08:13:30 PM  

vicioushobbit: Satanic_Hamster: MFAWG: whither_apophis: MFAWG: Quasar: Um... Even assuming mankind contributes absolutely nothing to climate change, wouldn't nature's climate change effects still be necessary to prepare for?

No. A couple of years ago the NC State Legislature passed a bill forbidding the seas to rise.

Check and Mate, Libtard.

I'm fine with that. As long as no tax dollars go to paying for houses washed away when the beach erodes.

Communist!!! Won't you think of the vacation homes?

I farking hated that so much when I was a kid/high school in Florida.  I hated that the state and feds picked up the tab for hurricane damage in uninsurable beach homes in St. Augustine.  They were all rich people's homes.  Why the fark was the tax payer picking up the tab for rich people who intentionally built in stupid areas?

Because 'Merika.

fark yeah.

/I hate that idiocy as well.


Top men have assured me that welfare of the type you two are describing is mostly used by all the low and middle income people that own beachfront property.
 
2014-05-23 08:13:58 PM  

sprawl15: and they just don't appreciate freestyle


Bullshiat.  Everyone loves Skynyrd.
 
2014-05-23 08:14:21 PM  

FnkyTwn: They need to introduce a bill that forbids our so called "Generals" from studying Sun Tzu, and instead requires them to check with the Bible first. God is the ultimate tactician, and I'm tired of liberals trying to turn America into a pagan wasteland.


march around china seven times and blow the horn that will bring down the great wall
 
2014-05-23 08:16:02 PM  
The defense budget is supposed to go to defense. It shouldn't be used for implementing liberal social engineering plans like UN Agenda 21 and the like.
 
2014-05-23 08:17:40 PM  
Not content with legislating morality, now they want to legislate reality.

What next: forbid NASA from using a heliocentric model when planning space flights?
 
2014-05-23 08:18:58 PM  

SkinnyHead: The defense budget is supposed to go to defense. It shouldn't be used for implementing liberal social engineering plans like UN Agenda 21 and the like.


Calm down, climate believers aren't trying to imminent domain any land for useful city sidewalks.
 
2014-05-23 08:20:06 PM  
Is there a list out there of things that Congress has forbidden scientists from studying? Aside from the climate change issue here, I believe it's also illegal for any research institution receiving federal funding to study 1) the effect of marijuana and 2) gun safety statistics.
 
2014-05-23 08:26:42 PM  

Quasar: Um... Even assuming mankind contributes absolutely nothing to climate change, wouldn't nature's climate change effects still be necessary to prepare for?


You mean that sea rises, increased storms and climate changes could cause problems for say the Navy base at Norfolk where we have many vessels docked?

Next you be saying dwindling water supplies would be a probkem for bases with 100k troops are.
 
2014-05-23 08:28:49 PM  

SkinnyHead: The defense budget is supposed to go to defense. It shouldn't be used for implementing liberal social engineering plans like UN Agenda 21 and the like.


So what happens when wars start over water because of droughts?. What about wars over food because of flooding?
 
2014-05-23 08:28:56 PM  

gaslight: They should also legislate that Pi be considered equal to three.


You joke, but that would make it WAY simpler to build fighter jets and ballistic missiles....
 
2014-05-23 08:29:41 PM  

Zeppelininthesky: So what happens when wars start over water because of droughts?. What about wars over food because of flooding?


the great pipeline treaties
 
2014-05-23 08:31:51 PM  

MFAWG: Top men have assured me that welfare of the type you two are describing is mostly used by all the low and middle income people that own beachfront property.


I know.  Ever seen that HGTV show "Beachfront Bargain Hunt?" (if you haven't there's a marathon from 2-6 PM tomorrow)  300k is just barely more than a year's wage for the 250k middle class.
 
2014-05-23 08:31:55 PM  

sprawl15: Zeppelininthesky: So what happens when wars start over water because of droughts?. What about wars over food because of flooding?

the great pipeline treaties


i mean really it's just ANOTHER argument for keystone
 
2014-05-23 08:34:52 PM  

Zeppelininthesky: SkinnyHead: The defense budget is supposed to go to defense. It shouldn't be used for implementing liberal social engineering plans like UN Agenda 21 and the like.

So what happens when wars start over water because of droughts?. What about wars over food because of flooding?


Already happened in Syria.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/09/10/drought-h el ped-caused-syrias-war-will-climate-change-bring-more-like-it/
 
2014-05-23 08:35:01 PM  
Well it will die in the Senate.
 
2014-05-23 08:36:34 PM  

SkinnyHead: The defense budget is supposed to go to defense. It shouldn't be used for implementing liberal social engineering plans like UN Agenda 21 and the like.


Except the human displacement due to rising sea levels has already begun.

Now, whether you want to believe that that is caused by fossil fuels or Jesus farts, it's happening, and no one can dispute that.

So, shouldn't we be prepared to at least know how that will change the calculus of various regional balances of power?  Even if we don't want to study, I guaran--farking--tee you that China and Russia are, and if we get caught up in somewhere like Taiwan, they could very well catch us flat-footed with out-of-date intelligence.
 
2014-05-23 08:37:34 PM  
Yes, there's no reason the military should be studying sea level rise. Because we NEVER engage in littoral operations, maintain navigable waterways, or operate an entire goddamn Corps of Engineers.

I'm sorry, I know I should just ignore the threadshiatting troll, but as someone who's done a fair bit of maritime archaeol
 
2014-05-23 08:38:49 PM  

MFAWG: No. A couple of years ago the NC State Legislature passed a bill forbidding the seas to rise.

Check and Mate, Libtard.


It's even more ironic than that-- they forbid the Parks Dept (?) from measuring the rise in sea level.  Meaning they do believe it's going t rise, but we're not allowed to know about it or measure it.
 
2014-05-23 08:38:57 PM  

sprawl15: sprawl15: Zeppelininthesky: So what happens when wars start over water because of droughts?. What about wars over food because of flooding?

the great pipeline treaties

i mean really it's just ANOTHER argument for keystone


"Ok boys, let's shut off the oil for a few minutes so we can send some water down there."
 
2014-05-23 08:40:00 PM  
Stupid farking mobile app.

As I was saying, I've done a fair bit of maritime archaeology and worked with the Coastal Resource Management department when I was getting my MA at ECU. That Sea Change bill was a complete goddamn disgrace, and it's created no end of headaches for everyone whose work involves the Outer Banks and other coastal areas.
 
2014-05-23 08:41:42 PM  
The US Military studies anything that could be a potential issue against the United States. They've studied Peak Oil, Peak Water, oil shipping routes- you name it. To tell them not to do these studies is stupid. Any and all knowledge they can gather makes them be able to better prepare for what is coming.
 
2014-05-23 08:43:22 PM  

SkinnyHead: The defense budget is supposed to go to defense. It shouldn't be used for implementing liberal social engineering plans like UN Agenda 21 and the like.


Do you remember 2004, when the New York Times was breathlessly reporting about all the plans the military had to invade this place and that place, and how steely eyed conservatives such as yourself correctly pointed out that that's what the military does?

Good times!
 
2014-05-23 08:58:53 PM  

udhq: SkinnyHead: The defense budget is supposed to go to defense. It shouldn't be used for implementing liberal social engineering plans like UN Agenda 21 and the like.

Except the human displacement due to rising sea levels has already begun.

Now, whether you want to believe that that is caused by fossil fuels or Jesus farts, it's happening, and no one can dispute that.

So, shouldn't we be prepared to at least know how that will change the calculus of various regional balances of power?  Even if we don't want to study, I guaran--farking--tee you that China and Russia are, and if we get caught up in somewhere like Taiwan, they could very well catch us flat-footed with out-of-date intelligence.


That was a very thorough and thoughtful response. I only have one question - did you notice you were responding to someone who made a non-ironic reference to "liberal social engineering plans like UN Agenda 21?"
 
2014-05-23 09:01:10 PM  
Smells like "Mission Accomplished" to me...
 
2014-05-23 09:01:20 PM  
This is what happens when we keep electing businessmen to Congress. We need to get some scientists into the mix.
 
2014-05-23 09:04:21 PM  

Devo: Well it will die in the Senate.


The very fact that it was A) proposed and B) passed in the house is a tad bit disturbing.
 
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