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(International Business Times)   Facebook just got a WHOLE lot creepier as they want to use the microphone on your smartphone to figure out what TV show or music you are listening to while using their app. Of course they SWEAR they'd NEVER eavesdrop on your conversations with it   (ibtimes.com) divider line 57
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2014-05-23 01:25:23 PM
so who's going to win- big brother or skynet?
 
2014-05-23 01:30:27 PM
Pinky-swear?  Cross your heart and swear to die?  OK - totes legit.
 
2014-05-23 01:46:11 PM
Not sure this is even remotely legal. It's not like Shazam, where you press a button and tell it to listen to help you identify a song. It just wants to listen automatically when it wants to, and then collect all the data. Not gonna go over well in Europe, that's for sure, where they are much more strict about privacy. In America it seems anything goes, as far as companies/the government spying on you.
 
DAR [TotalFark]
2014-05-23 01:48:37 PM
while I like Facebook for keeping up with family & friends, I don't use in on a cell phone & never turn on the GPS functions of the phone.

Yes, I know the cops & NSA can still track me but @ least the corporations are not remotely turning the speaker on my phone on to listen to me while I"m banging the wife or whatever else I'm doing.
 
2014-05-23 02:15:14 PM
...Google Now already does this.
 
2014-05-23 02:45:02 PM
I wonder if it can identify subtitled Japanese anime?
 
2014-05-23 03:21:42 PM
I assume that my phone is constantly transmitting that kind of information to somewhere or other whenever it's powered on. Which, you know, everyone probably should given what we know about NSA data collection practices and society's collective "eh" reaction to it.

I'm not sure why some goober at Facebook getting that data is so much scarier than it being in the hands of people who can essentially disappear you forever should they choose.
 
2014-05-23 03:46:11 PM
Fark that!  What about running my goddamn battery down?
 
2014-05-23 04:13:19 PM
The really interesting thing is the Facebook app still sucks ass at showing the news feed. Deleted it after it started spying on my photos. "Hey, why don't you post this picture on facebook?" Hey why don't you fark off out of my dick pic folder
 
2014-05-23 04:14:19 PM
that explains the guy yelling MAN I REALLY LIKE DICKS into his phone over and over again on the bus today
 
2014-05-23 04:16:53 PM
Not on Facebook and don't have a smart phone.


/Life is good.
 
2014-05-23 04:21:28 PM

Lsherm: Fark that!  What about running my goddamn battery down?


They already covered that by auto-playing videos by 'default'.  You have to opt out.  It also wastes your mobile internets.
 
2014-05-23 04:25:24 PM
...and this is exactly why I won't install social media apps on my phone. Basically, I have almost no apps on my phone at all. The ones I do use have all of their permissions turned off until I use them.
 
2014-05-23 04:25:59 PM
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/please don't smack me, I'm feeling pranky
 
2014-05-23 04:27:07 PM
So tell me again why I would be okay with ANY app doing this?

fark Zuckerturd and Facebook.

The ambient noise of my children beating the shiat out of each other while I'm stalking my ex is MY BUSINESS, goddammit!
 
2014-05-23 04:28:50 PM
blog.mason23.com
"Hi Mark, this is the NSA."
"Hi Sugar-Daddy! How's life in data-town?"
"Yeah, good, um, we want you to start using the mic so we can record whatever people are saying too."
"Okay!"
 
2014-05-23 04:31:12 PM

orezona: So tell me again why I would be okay with ANY app doing this?

fark Zuckerturd and Facebook.

The ambient noise of my children beating the shiat out of each other while I'm stalking my ex is MY BUSINESS, goddammit!



Made my day.
 
2014-05-23 04:34:40 PM
The final straw for me was well before this, when an update to the Facebook Android app asked for permission to read text messages.
 
2014-05-23 04:41:48 PM
I sent an internal email to a colleague about safety shoes the other day.  That evening there was an ad in my newsfeed for safety shoes.  Yikes.
 
2014-05-23 04:42:31 PM
I'm going to go off topic because frankly I'm sheepish about getting into the apps and android because of how broad their permissions are and how its all or nothing.  No interest in the facebook app to begin with but is there a way to make android force an app into a more fenced position then what it asks?  It seems every app under the sun wants to read incoming calls and all kinds of shiat they have no business of using yet its all or nothing for acceptable.

Is there an alternative?
 
2014-05-23 04:43:37 PM

Cagey B: I'm not sure why some goober at Facebook getting that data is so much scarier than it being in the hands of people who can essentially disappear you forever should they choose.


Except the facebook people are already in bed with the government.
 
2014-05-23 04:45:20 PM

BumpInTheNight: I'm going to go off topic because frankly I'm sheepish about getting into the apps and android because of how broad their permissions are and how its all or nothing.  No interest in the facebook app to begin with but is there a way to make android force an app into a more fenced position then what it asks?  It seems every app under the sun wants to read incoming calls and all kinds of shiat they have no business of using yet its all or nothing for acceptable.

Is there an alternative?


Nope, not really. AFAIK, there's no mechanism to allow a subset of the permissions requested.
 
2014-05-23 04:54:55 PM
Did the NSA buy Facebook and not tell us?

Glad I dont use it, always seemed a tad wonky.
 
2014-05-23 04:55:37 PM
WTF do people accept this?
Guess I just don't get the FB mindset.
 
2014-05-23 04:57:54 PM
I wonder if this will happen since I go to m.facebook.com instead of installing the app...
 
2014-05-23 05:01:48 PM
is this why it keeps asking for my phone  number?   I put a phone number I found on a bathroom stall instead.
 
2014-05-23 05:06:08 PM
Same problem as the whole "it's only metadata" argument from the NSA. Don't worry about these apps listening to your conversations, they find out much more useful and accurate information about you based on your habits.
 
2014-05-23 05:07:08 PM
Never joining facebook is one of my life's best decisions.
 
2014-05-23 05:12:05 PM
you've already got at least two with mic rights. If you don't the the person next to you does. Check out Uber's permissions.
 
2014-05-23 05:15:38 PM
So now you know who made the Webdriver Torso Youtube channel. Facebook is testing recognition software to identify what music/video you are watching.
 
2014-05-23 05:15:49 PM
What kind of ads would I get resulting from Facebook  listening to me take take a dump...?

/Depends
 
2014-05-23 05:39:55 PM

Called it.

Some months back, I had a discussion with a few dev friends regarding the sudden surge in requests for access to device elements, such as microphones and cameras, in applications that in theory didn't use audio or video input for any of their declared functionality. This was one of the warning bell apps.
 
2014-05-23 05:54:38 PM

qorkfiend: BumpInTheNight: I'm going to go off topic because frankly I'm sheepish about getting into the apps and android because of how broad their permissions are and how its all or nothing.  No interest in the facebook app to begin with but is there a way to make android force an app into a more fenced position then what it asks?  It seems every app under the sun wants to read incoming calls and all kinds of shiat they have no business of using yet its all or nothing for acceptable.

Is there an alternative?

Nope, not really. AFAIK, there's no mechanism to allow a subset of the permissions requested.


There are apps that can let you pick and choose permissions, but you have to be rooted.
 
2014-05-23 05:56:49 PM

Lamberts Ho Man: WTF do people accept this?
Guess I just don't get the FB mindset.


It's not "the FB mindset".  It's any person with a phone that thinks this sort of thing is okay.  Facebook is just cashing in on the peoples stupidity.
 
2014-05-23 05:57:36 PM
Won't this violate some wiretap laws?
 
2014-05-23 06:04:16 PM

FormlessOne: Called it.Some months back, I had a discussion with a few dev friends regarding the sudden surge in requests for access to device elements, such as microphones and cameras, in applications that in theory didn't use audio or video input for any of their declared functionality. This was one of the warning bell apps.


You mean like flashlight apps that want my address book and full network access?  Took me forever to find an app to turn on an LED that didn't need permission from the NSA to do it.
 
2014-05-23 06:05:13 PM

BrokenToilet: Won't this violate some wiretap laws?


I think it might in two-party consent states.  Or if you happen to be talking to a cop.
 
2014-05-23 06:11:44 PM

Lamberts Ho Man: FormlessOne: Called it.Some months back, I had a discussion with a few dev friends regarding the sudden surge in requests for access to device elements, such as microphones and cameras, in applications that in theory didn't use audio or video input for any of their declared functionality. This was one of the warning bell apps.

You mean like flashlight apps that want my address book and full network access?  Took me forever to find an app to turn on an LED that didn't need permission from the NSA to do it.


Flashlight Apps are notoriously malware ridden. A friend of mine recommended the game "The Sandbox" and it looked pretty cool, though when I went to install it, it wanted every permission available to it. I declined, since no non-location based game needs to know my location, among other things.

/though apps that need to know your phone call status do so to know when to suspend operation during a phone call
 
2014-05-23 06:26:14 PM

MagSeven: qorkfiend: BumpInTheNight: I'm going to go off topic because frankly I'm sheepish about getting into the apps and android because of how broad their permissions are and how its all or nothing.  No interest in the facebook app to begin with but is there a way to make android force an app into a more fenced position then what it asks?  It seems every app under the sun wants to read incoming calls and all kinds of shiat they have no business of using yet its all or nothing for acceptable.

Is there an alternative?

Nope, not really. AFAIK, there's no mechanism to allow a subset of the permissions requested.

There are apps that can let you pick and choose permissions, but you have to be rooted.


In windows and windows phone apps, you can grant capabilities at a granular level.  Of course unless you say yes to all of the capabilities requested, the app won't install.  You can revoke capabilities, but the app may refuse to start if you revoke access to the microphone after the fact.
 
2014-05-23 06:28:13 PM
Help me out here: it was a quote by Joss Whedon or someone like that (Alex Proyas?) who said something to the effect of:

In the future, Big Brother's control won't be some oppressive government control scheme forced on everybody, to their dismay... rather it will be a shiny new app, available for instant download and handy to use everywhere, and people will volunteer to use it in droves.

/gonna remember the actual quote right before I fall asleep tonight, as usual
 
2014-05-23 07:23:49 PM

MagSeven: There are apps that can let you pick and choose permissions, but you have to be rooted.


I would like to know more, rooting the various tablets I've accumulated is not a concern for me.

Mr. Eugenides: In windows and windows phone apps, you can grant capabilities at a granular level. Of course unless you say yes to all of the capabilities requested, the app won't install. You can revoke capabilities, but the app may refuse to start if you revoke access to the microphone after the fact.


Its an odd tip of the scales for me to see that Microsoft seem to offer more freedom then the Linux borne android, I suppose its due to its creator Google.  Just strange for me to see Microsoft as the free-est of the mobile OSes, like we're in bizzaro world.  I guess once Ubuntu and co are done creating the year of the linux desktop they can move onto more relevant battle fronts.  I'll consider it more closely though, I'd prefer to install something under 'x' conditions and have it fail to load rather then be able to change the agreement after the fact.
 
2014-05-23 07:36:47 PM

BumpInTheNight: MagSeven: There are apps that can let you pick and choose permissions, but you have to be rooted.

I would like to know more, rooting the various tablets I've accumulated is not a concern for me.

Mr. Eugenides: In windows and windows phone apps, you can grant capabilities at a granular level. Of course unless you say yes to all of the capabilities requested, the app won't install. You can revoke capabilities, but the app may refuse to start if you revoke access to the microphone after the fact.

Its an odd tip of the scales for me to see that Microsoft seem to offer more freedom then the Linux borne android, I suppose its due to its creator Google.  Just strange for me to see Microsoft as the free-est of the mobile OSes, like we're in bizzaro world.  I guess once Ubuntu and co are done creating the year of the linux desktop they can move onto more relevant battle fronts.  I'll consider it more closely though, I'd prefer to install something under 'x' conditions and have it fail to load rather then be able to change the agreement after the fact.




Checktheseout.
 
2014-05-23 07:53:39 PM

s2s2s2: Never joining facebook is one of my life's best decisions.


I don't agree with you much, but this is one of those times.

facebook is evil in a way that makes me shudder to my core. It has it's userbase fooled into believing that it's an entirely benign entity, whilst making billionaires of those at the top.
 
2014-05-23 08:02:02 PM

MagSeven: BumpInTheNight: MagSeven: There are apps that can let you pick and choose permissions, but you have to be rooted.

I would like to know more, rooting the various tablets I've accumulated is not a concern for me.

Mr. Eugenides: In windows and windows phone apps, you can grant capabilities at a granular level. Of course unless you say yes to all of the capabilities requested, the app won't install. You can revoke capabilities, but the app may refuse to start if you revoke access to the microphone after the fact.

Its an odd tip of the scales for me to see that Microsoft seem to offer more freedom then the Linux borne android, I suppose its due to its creator Google.  Just strange for me to see Microsoft as the free-est of the mobile OSes, like we're in bizzaro world.  I guess once Ubuntu and co are done creating the year of the linux desktop they can move onto more relevant battle fronts.  I'll consider it more closely though, I'd prefer to install something under 'x' conditions and have it fail to load rather then be able to change the agreement after the fact.

Checktheseout.


Excellent, thank you much I shall be trying that out.
 
2014-05-23 08:19:52 PM

BumpInTheNight: MagSeven: BumpInTheNight: MagSeven: There are apps that can let you pick and choose permissions, but you have to be rooted.

I would like to know more, rooting the various tablets I've accumulated is not a concern for me.

Mr. Eugenides: In windows and windows phone apps, you can grant capabilities at a granular level. Of course unless you say yes to all of the capabilities requested, the app won't install. You can revoke capabilities, but the app may refuse to start if you revoke access to the microphone after the fact.

Its an odd tip of the scales for me to see that Microsoft seem to offer more freedom then the Linux borne android, I suppose its due to its creator Google.  Just strange for me to see Microsoft as the free-est of the mobile OSes, like we're in bizzaro world.  I guess once Ubuntu and co are done creating the year of the linux desktop they can move onto more relevant battle fronts.  I'll consider it more closely though, I'd prefer to install something under 'x' conditions and have it fail to load rather then be able to change the agreement after the fact.

Checktheseout.

Excellent, thank you much I shall be trying that out.


You can also try Cyanogenmod 11, it has app permissions access built into it, along with other privacy enhancements (like phone number blacklist, whisperpush, etc etc). I've been running nightly builds on both my Nexus 4 and Nexus 7 with no problems so far.
 
2014-05-23 08:24:15 PM

BumpInTheNight: I'm going to go off topic because frankly I'm sheepish about getting into the apps and android because of how broad their permissions are and how its all or nothing.  No interest in the facebook app to begin with but is there a way to make android force an app into a more fenced position then what it asks?  It seems every app under the sun wants to read incoming calls and all kinds of shiat they have no business of using yet its all or nothing for acceptable.

Is there an alternative?


http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/07/25/app-ops-android-4-3s-hidden- ap p-permission-manager-control-permissions-for-individual-apps/
 
2014-05-23 10:39:36 PM

BrokenToilet: Won't this violate some wiretap laws?


Lamberts Ho Man: BrokenToilet: Won't this violate some wiretap laws?

I think it might in two-party consent states.  Or if you happen to be talking to a cop.


You'd think so, but the two-party rule would have already been met.

Party 1: You, when you downloaded the app and installed it after clicking the "Accept Permissions ans Install" button on the pop-up that said the app needs your permission to use the microphone (among other things)
Party 2: The app itself, or the corporation selling the app

/granted, that probably wouldn't be enough in an "All-Party Consent" state
//but I'm sure Google/MS/Facebook/the NSA/the app's vendor/etc. have thought that part through and put in a clause in the terms of service where letting the app record your voice constitutes consent to let it record your voice, even if you don't know (and/or can't reasonably know) that you're being recorded in the first place
 
2014-05-23 10:54:44 PM

BumpInTheNight: I'm going to go off topic because frankly I'm sheepish about getting into the apps and android because of how broad their permissions are and how its all or nothing.  No interest in the facebook app to begin with but is there a way to make android force an app into a more fenced position then what it asks?  It seems every app under the sun wants to read incoming calls and all kinds of shiat they have no business of using yet its all or nothing for acceptable.

Is there an alternative?


This says that installing CyanogenMod allows you to use something called Privacy Guard
http://www.howtogeek.com/176968/everything-you-need-to-know-about-ma na ging-app-permissions-on-android/
 
2014-05-23 11:22:36 PM

King Something: BrokenToilet: Won't this violate some wiretap laws?

Lamberts Ho Man: BrokenToilet: Won't this violate some wiretap laws?

I think it might in two-party consent states.  Or if you happen to be talking to a cop.

You'd think so, but the two-party rule would have already been met.

Party 1: You, when you downloaded the app and installed it after clicking the "Accept Permissions ans Install" button on the pop-up that said the app needs your permission to use the microphone (among other things)
Party 2: The app itself, or the corporation selling the app

/granted, that probably wouldn't be enough in an "All-Party Consent" state
//but I'm sure Google/MS/Facebook/the NSA/the app's vendor/etc. have thought that part through and put in a clause in the terms of service where letting the app record your voice constitutes consent to let it record your voice, even if you don't know (and/or can't reasonably know) that you're being recorded in the first place


No, party 2 is the other person in the room that you're having a conversation with who doesn't know it's being recorded.

But I can't imagine that their lawyers haven't been all over that.
 
2014-05-24 01:27:07 AM
I just googled information on how to remove the microphone from my iPhone, looks easy enough.
/That will show em'
 
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