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(CBS News)   Radical changes in look and functionality of latest Firefox browser update leaving nerds howling at their computers in paroxysms of impotent nerd rage   (cbsnews.com) divider line 79
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2014-05-23 01:11:16 PM
Is this where we talk about how crappy Firefox's new GUI is?

Also: Chrome's winning no prizes either with their new version.
 
2014-05-23 01:39:41 PM
Meh, I only howled for about half an hour, until I had it all customized back the way I like it.

/I'd start a band called Impotent Nerd Rage
 
2014-05-23 01:42:58 PM

Lukeonia1: Meh, I only howled for about half an hour, until I had it all customized back the way I like it.

/I'd start a band called Impotent Nerd Rage


Yeah...but Pale Moon doesn't give me those problems. :)
 
2014-05-23 01:43:10 PM
Luckily I use Chrome now, so I don't give a f*ck.
 
2014-05-23 02:27:55 PM
I got over it.
 
2014-05-23 03:01:23 PM
Firefox's menu is on the right now?
I didn't even realize Firefox HAD a menu.
 
2014-05-23 03:07:39 PM
Does it still display the porn I care about?

If yes, then no farks were given.
 
2014-05-23 04:39:12 PM

Walker: Luckily I use Chrome now, so I don't give a f*ck.


Firefox 29 pissed me off, so I gave Chrome a try.

I used Chrome for about 10 minutes, until it pissed me off worse than Firefox.

So, I went back to Firefox 27.

Now I'm happy. Well, "not pissed off" is more accurate.
 
2014-05-23 05:24:02 PM

Tr0mBoNe: Does it still display the porn I care about?

If yes, then no farks were given.


Firefox is my porno browser because of private windows and noscript, and chrome is my everyday browser.  For the first few days after the update, I kept thinking I was using Chrome for my porno browser and had to double check.  Internet porn: sriuz biznuss.
 
2014-05-23 06:38:32 PM
Palemoon FTW.
 
2014-05-23 06:41:30 PM

Rwa2play: Is this where we talk about how crappy Firefox's new GUI is?

Also: Chrome's winning no prizes either with their new version.


There really isn't a 'good' browser.  I still use Chrome after abandoning Firefox last year, but its ok at best.
 
2014-05-23 06:46:09 PM
The last Firefox was so unstable, I abandoned it for Chrome. Don't really miss it.

/chrome still crashes for me, but not near as often as firefox did
 
2014-05-23 06:46:47 PM

Lsherm: Tr0mBoNe: Does it still display the porn I care about?

If yes, then no farks were given.

Firefox is my porno browser because of private windows and noscript, and chrome is my everyday browser.  For the first few days after the update, I kept thinking I was using Chrome for my porno browser and had to double check.  Internet porn: sriuz biznuss.


I did the same thing.  The rounded tabs on the new Firefox kept faking me out.
 
2014-05-23 06:50:21 PM
ui focused fork time.
 
2014-05-23 06:53:16 PM
My biggest complaint is that when I click on a link the new window isn't full screen when it opens. And when I click on the box to full screen it, the box itself flickers before it goes full screen.
 
2014-05-23 07:01:24 PM
It might just be a coincidence but since my Firefox updated I sometime have problems loading a page, it looks like the css file does not load, I hit refresh and then it's ok.
 
2014-05-23 07:18:03 PM
I got a new computer a couple of weeks ago, and when I went to download Firefox, I inadvertently downloaded Nightly. This is the testing version of Firefox. It had all of the mentioned changes when I got it, so I've gotten used to it. So far, I haven't had any real complaints. Since it's the test version, it's supposed to not be all that stable, but so far, so good for me.
 
2014-05-23 07:20:15 PM
When I updated to 29, and it looked different, my reaction was "Oh. They changed something. That's nice."
Hasn't changed the functionality of the browser for me, so IDGAF about the new interface.
 
2014-05-23 07:24:20 PM

Cincinnati Kid: I got a new computer a couple of weeks ago, and when I went to download Firefox, I inadvertently downloaded Nightly. This is the testing version of Firefox. It had all of the mentioned changes when I got it, so I've gotten used to it. So far, I haven't had any real complaints. Since it's the test version, it's supposed to not be all that stable, but so far, so good for me.


I've been running Nightly for a year now, so I was used tho the changes... but some of them were WTF changes. And a while back in version 31, there was a MAJOR stability issue (as in Nightly would crash Every. Single. Time. it ran before Mozilla fixed the problem).
 
2014-05-23 07:30:40 PM
Do these dumbasses know that you can install an extension and a theme of your choice to make it look like any previous version of Firefox? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/classicthemerestorer/

Firefox is still by far the most customizable browser there is.
 
2014-05-23 07:38:47 PM

CSM101: When I updated to 29, and it looked different, my reaction was "Oh. They changed something. That's nice."



Same here.  "Hey, Firefox looks different".

They're not screwing up the UI like Youtube did.
 
2014-05-23 07:39:34 PM
I like the new layout.
 
2014-05-23 07:45:24 PM

uttertosh: I like the new layout.


Yea I didn't like the orange Firefox Menu on the left side. The browser looks much better after the update. I'd like to see the Thunderbird email client freshened up.
 
2014-05-23 07:50:28 PM
can you still swipe browse with a fleshlight attachment plugin?
 
2014-05-23 07:56:34 PM
it took me a few minutes to figure out where everything got to, but no big deal


/you'll get over it
 
2014-05-23 07:59:18 PM

Hand Banana: Do these dumbasses know that you can install an extension and a theme of your choice to make it look like any previous version of Firefox? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/classicthemerestorer/

Firefox is still by far the most customizable browser there is.


Hold your horses, Hoss.  I just had to downgrade my theme and disable automatic updates to plugins because one of the new changes removed a feature that I make extensive use of and the updated theme suddenly made most of my security related addons no longer accessible.

It's the status bar, by the way.  I have been using Status-4-Evar and had Noscript, Cokie Monster, and Adblock all accessed through icons on the status bar.  I'm still pondering whether I should just adjust my settings to let everything work with the newer versions or whether I should give up on Firefox entirely and move to a different browser.

The problem is that everything these days looks like Chrome.  If I wanted a browser that looked like Chrome, then I'd run Chrome.
 
2014-05-23 08:12:48 PM
Hmmm, browser threads aint the flame war they used to be. For the record, Opera user for at least ten years, but the shine has come off that penny since they took away ad-block. Still less of a memory hog than Chrome, not that that really matters much any more. I use FF at work, but it is a severely truncated version and hardly a fair test
 
2014-05-23 08:16:04 PM
After reading that article, I just took a look at my Firefox browser and went, "Oh yeah, they DID move the menu and make the tabs curvy. Huh. Wonder how long it's been like that." That's how much of a stroke-inducing blood-pressure raiser it was for me. If somebody has a stronger reaction, they really need to seek psychiatric help.
 
2014-05-23 08:39:41 PM

Hand Banana: Do these dumbasses know that you can install an extension and a theme of your choice to make it look like any previous version of Firefox? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/classicthemerestorer/

Firefox is still by far the most customizable browser there is.


That addon broke the URL field for me. URLs stopped appearing there, and typing a URL there wouldn't do anything. Had to remove it again. I only installed it so I could get a movable refresh button. Firefox 29 doesn't allow you to move the refresh button where you want it. So right now I have a Firefox 29 with a refresh button in the wrong spot. Hoping they fix it again in 30. Not holding my breath.
 
2014-05-23 08:40:15 PM

uttertosh: I like the new layout.


That's all right with me :)
 
2014-05-23 08:41:13 PM

Moriel: I'm still pondering whether I should just adjust my settings to let everything work with the newer versions or whether I should give up on Firefox entirely and move to a different browser.


this seems like a no-brainer to me, but I gotta ask in all seriousness - which do you feel will cause you to lose most functionality overall?
 
2014-05-23 08:41:45 PM

Moriel: Hand Banana: Do these dumbasses know that you can install an extension and a theme of your choice to make it look like any previous version of Firefox? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/classicthemerestorer/

Firefox is still by far the most customizable browser there is.

Hold your horses, Hoss.  I just had to downgrade my theme and disable automatic updates to plugins because one of the new changes removed a feature that I make extensive use of and the updated theme suddenly made most of my security related addons no longer accessible.

It's the status bar, by the way.  I have been using Status-4-Evar and had Noscript, Cokie Monster, and Adblock all accessed through icons on the status bar.  I'm still pondering whether I should just adjust my settings to let everything work with the newer versions or whether I should give up on Firefox entirely and move to a different browser.

The problem is that everything these days looks like Chrome.  If I wanted a browser that looked like Chrome, then I'd run Chrome.


Check nightlies for Statusbar-4-ever. It works fine with the new GUI. All your controls will be where they should be
 
2014-05-23 08:43:56 PM

Kittypie070: uttertosh: I like the new layout.

That's all right with me :)


And it cheers me up greatly to have the approval of tehtrippaykittay! :-D

/mjau
 
2014-05-23 08:45:22 PM
The update disturbed me so much that I installed Chrome. That weirded me out even more. Someone moved my cheese.
 
2014-05-23 08:48:20 PM

nytmare: Hand Banana: Do these dumbasses know that you can install an extension and a theme of your choice to make it look like any previous version of Firefox? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/classicthemerestorer/

Firefox is still by far the most customizable browser there is.

That addon broke the URL field for me. URLs stopped appearing there, and typing a URL there wouldn't do anything. Had to remove it again. I only installed it so I could get a movable refresh button. Firefox 29 doesn't allow you to move the refresh button where you want it. So right now I have a Firefox 29 with a refresh button in the wrong spot. Hoping they fix it again in 30. Not holding my breath.


I did the same thing right before reverting to an older Firefox.

Saw the refresh button was in the same shiatty spot IE placed it in, downloaded the classic theme restorer figuring it would let me put the button in a civilized spot, saw that I STILL couldn't move the refresh button, said "fark this shiat", and got rid of 29.

If I wanted Chrome or IE, I would be using Chrome or IE.
 
2014-05-23 08:49:38 PM
Firefox is the only browser with an extension that lets me display the dozens of tabs I have open in a vertical sidebar. (You know, the way it should be.)
 
2014-05-23 08:50:14 PM
Almost all the firefox changes were positive, logical improvements.

I can only conclude that the complainants were the usual coterie of aspie freaks.
 
2014-05-23 08:53:33 PM
Comododragon Ice dragon
 
2014-05-23 08:56:21 PM
"All of this amounts to a real improvement in aesthetics and usability for a browser that is battling the more attractive Chrome for second place after Microsoft's Internet Explorer."

...and the fanboys are out in full force tonight...
 
2014-05-23 09:06:09 PM

uttertosh: Kittypie070: uttertosh: I like the new layout.

That's all right with me :)

And it cheers me up greatly to have the approval of tehtrippaykittay! :-D

/mjau


Mjau right back atcha!
 
2014-05-23 09:18:39 PM
 
2014-05-23 09:32:07 PM

KerwoodDerby: Almost all the firefox changes were positive, logical improvements.

I can only conclude that the complainants were the usual coterie of aspie freaks.


I'm sure they were.

It's just that not everyone wants a non Chrome browser to look like a Chrome clone.

Among a whole nother whopping pile of purely individualistic reasons.

The Australis aesthetics didn't exactly impress me when I grabbed FF 29 for testing, so I picked up a few appearance addons.
 
2014-05-23 09:35:24 PM
I got over the changes PDQ. The only thing that really annoys me is that it now freezes for a second or two whenever I try to load a video.
 
2014-05-23 09:36:20 PM

uttertosh: Moriel: I'm still pondering whether I should just adjust my settings to let everything work with the newer versions or whether I should give up on Firefox entirely and move to a different browser.

this seems like a no-brainer to me, but I gotta ask in all seriousness - which do you feel will cause you to lose most functionality overall?


I'm not sure. I use a lot of Firefox addons. About half are to provide enhanced security - javascript, java, cookies, all disabled by default, ads blocked. Yes, I run my browser in paranoia mode by default, no apologies on that. :) I'm not too worried about these things, since I expect equivalents exist in other browsers.

The UI modifcations, though, are what make things hard for me whether or not I stick with Firefox. You know the old clunky browser style with the standard menu bar, icons+urlbar, bookmarks bar, tab bar (on bottom, thank you)? I actualy prefer that. Every browser I've used since browsers existed look like that. I'm comfortable with it and have it set up just the way i want it. The new trend of hiding all of the controls irks me since everything is hidden. I'm somewhat visually oriented so I want to see everything at once.
 
2014-05-23 09:41:44 PM
I stopped using FF some time back. Reluctantly, I might add; but it had gotten so bad for me that Chromium was a much better option. Maybe this update has fixed those issues. It looks great, what with my being used to Chrome now and all.
 
2014-05-23 09:42:26 PM

whereisian: Moriel: Hand Banana: Do these dumbasses know that you can install an extension and a theme of your choice to make it look like any previous version of Firefox? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/classicthemerestorer/

Firefox is still by far the most customizable browser there is.

Hold your horses, Hoss.  I just had to downgrade my theme and disable automatic updates to plugins because one of the new changes removed a feature that I make extensive use of and the updated theme suddenly made most of my security related addons no longer accessible.

It's the status bar, by the way.  I have been using Status-4-Evar and had Noscript, Cokie Monster, and Adblock all accessed through icons on the status bar.  I'm still pondering whether I should just adjust my settings to let everything work with the newer versions or whether I should give up on Firefox entirely and move to a different browser.

The problem is that everything these days looks like Chrome.  If I wanted a browser that looked like Chrome, then I'd run Chrome.

Check nightlies for Statusbar-4-ever. It works fine with the new GUI. All your controls will be where they should be


I'll check again, but unless it has updated since Tuesday it's no good. The theme I use (Blackfox) dropped support for the status bar because it UI widget is no longer official in Firefox, so the status bar was simply not being drawn on screen. I might be able to find a new theme, but there few dark themes that look as good as Blackfox in my opinion.
 
2014-05-23 09:45:09 PM

Bonanza Jellybean: http://www.palemoon.org


This looks interesting! I'll check it out when I get home.
 
2014-05-23 09:52:36 PM
Meh, Safari user here.  I've got limited internet bandwidth so it's nice to have a browser that disables the video autoplay stuff that seems to be on every single page out there.
 
2014-05-23 09:54:57 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Saw the refresh button was in the same shiatty spot IE placed it in, downloaded the classic theme restorer figuring it would let me put the button in a civilized spot, saw that I STILL couldn't move the refresh button, said "fark this shiat", and got rid of 29.


No problems moving it here. I think I did change some settings in Classic Theme Restorer to allow me to combine it with the stop button but everything works fine. Maybe you have an incompatible addon or something. Here's my Firefox 29 after messing with it a bit:

i.imgur.com
 
2014-05-23 10:00:54 PM
Actually now that I think about it I believe what I did was go to customize and then dragged the refresh and stop buttons from the list of items onto the toolbar (the refresh button on the urlbar is a different one, I just chose to hide it).

You can also use any of the old themes so if you want it to exactly look like Firefox 2 you can.
 
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