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(World Review)   As Ukraine gets set for the presidential elections on the 25th, other former Soviet states - especially the Balkans and Kazakhstan - wonder whether Putin will come and 'defend' Russian-speaking minorities there as well   (worldreview.info) divider line 75
    More: Scary, Vladimir Putin, Soviet states, Ukraine, Soviet, Kazakhstan, Russia, minorities, collapse of the Soviet Union  
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2014-05-23 10:35:50 AM  
Invading nations is hard to do with no economy due to a total lack of capital investments and crippling sanctions.
 
2014-05-23 10:51:40 AM  
I'm waitng for Putin to overreach and recognize the Confederacy.

/there's also Mexico's "lost territories", but it's too early to DRINK!
 
2014-05-23 11:24:23 AM  
moldova is next.
 
2014-05-23 12:40:16 PM  
This does actually remind of the time in elementary school where a bunch of 'cool kids' hung out in a corner of the recess yard, and there was this stoner guy who kept hanging around like a drug dealer or something, so the cops kept coming by and staring at him hoping to chase him away.  Only I wasn't actually selling any dope or anything so it was all just a bunch of people getting all uppity about nothing in particular, except then the cops caught the principal with some weed that I actually DID sell him so when he ratted me out it totally harshed my mellow.  Only, it's like Putin is doing that now to Czechoslovakia or Murovakistan or that place with all the tulips I think.

So yeah, not cool, man.
 
2014-05-23 12:43:34 PM  
Back in Soviet Russia, elections elected no one.
 
2014-05-23 12:45:13 PM  
Does Subby mean Baltic? The Balkans were largely a part of Yugoslavia, not the USSR.
 
2014-05-23 12:46:31 PM  

WTF Indeed: Invading nations is hard to do with no economy due to a total lack of capital investments and crippling sanctions.


There's no meaningful sanctions against Russia though.

Or are you channeling some kinda dreamworld?
 
2014-05-23 12:47:22 PM  

FlashHarry: moldova is next.


They have petitioned to join Russia at least 3 times, and each time Russia has ignored them.
 
2014-05-23 12:48:58 PM  
Balkans: Peninsula, popularly referred to as the Balkans, is a geographical region of Southeast Europe.

Baltics: The countries that have shorelines along the Baltic Sea

Balkans ≠ Baltics

Russian speaking minorities reside in the Baltics.  The people of the Balkans don't speak Russian, although some do speak other Slavic languages.

/Subby fell asleep in 5th grade geography
 
2014-05-23 12:50:12 PM  

spawn73: Or are you channeling some kinda dreamworld?


It's almost like additional invasions into neighboring nations would cause more and strong sanctions by the rest of the world. And while it's relatively easy to invade a country it's quite another thing to hold that country, something Russia is already dealing with in Crimea.
 
2014-05-23 12:50:33 PM  
Only if you have a hugely profitable commodity that Putin can take and give to his family.
 
2014-05-23 12:52:17 PM  
" .. Russian speaking minorities .."

Corrected Lede .. "Russian speaking minorities motives .."
 
2014-05-23 12:57:57 PM  
I think Chechnya needs to have an election to secede from Russia. I'm sure Putin would support those elections just as much as the one's in Crimea?
 
2014-05-23 12:58:06 PM  
Fissile:
Balkans: Peninsula, popularly referred to as the Balkans, is a geographical region of Southeast Europe.

Baltics: The countries that have shorelines along the Baltic Sea


Balk: An illegal motion by a pitcher while one or more runners are on base, as a pitch in which there is either an insufficient or too long a pause after the windup or stretch, a pretended throw to first or third base or to the batter with one foot on the pitcher's rubber, etc., resulting in a penalty advancing the runner or runners one base.

Balki Bartokomous: A fictional character on the television sitcom Perfect Strangers that aired from March 25, 1986, to August 6, 1993 in the USA, played by Bronson Pinchot. Balki is from the island of Mypos, a fictional Hellenic country in the Mediterranean Sea.
 
2014-05-23 01:01:53 PM  
Russia has also been giving out citizenships to former Soviet countries, IIRC mostly it's Russians who are taking them up on the offer.

This is all tremendously stupid of course.
 
2014-05-23 01:04:56 PM  

WTF Indeed: spawn73: Or are you channeling some kinda dreamworld?

It's almost like additional invasions into neighboring nations would cause more and strong sanctions by the rest of the world. And while it's relatively easy to invade a country it's quite another thing to hold that country, something Russia is already dealing with in Crimea.


That I could imagine.

But that would be kinda after the fact wouldn't it?

What do you mean by difficulty holding Crimea?
 
2014-05-23 01:07:34 PM  

spawn73: FlashHarry: moldova is next.

They have petitioned to join Russia at least 3 times, and each time Russia has ignored them.


Because they are dirt poor, with no industry or natural resources.  Their main export is prostitutes/porn-stars/strippers. They are almost all ethnic Romanians and Gypsies and the Russians would like nothing better than dumping the entire lot on the EU.
 
2014-05-23 01:12:05 PM  

madgonad: I think Chechnya needs to have an election to secede from Russia. I'm sure Putin would support those elections just as much as the one's in Crimea?


Indeed. Dagestan as well.
 
2014-05-23 01:15:35 PM  
I'm glad she got out of Uzbekistan before Uncle Vlad returned.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-05-23 01:16:32 PM  

spawn73: But that would be kinda after the fact wouldn't it?

What do you mean by difficulty holding Crimea?


So is notion that Russia will enter other countries.  Holding territory is harder than gaining it. Currently, Russia has had to become the defacto government and utility provider for Crimea since Ukraine cut it off. Something that is hard to do when you have stable, free, and mostly corrupt government.  It's nearly impossible to do when your government is run by crooks, eq. see the example of how two Putin allies stole $600m+ of taxpayer money to build hospitals that can't be used.
 
2014-05-23 01:17:10 PM  

Wellon Dowd: I'm glad she got out of Uzbekistan before Uncle Vlad returned.

[i.imgur.com image 550x387]


I can understand how Vlad the Impaler would insist on her staying.
 
2014-05-23 01:19:43 PM  

WTF Indeed: Invading nations is hard to do with no economy due to a total lack of capital investments and crippling sanctions.


crippling sanctions?

What planet are you from?
 
2014-05-23 01:22:46 PM  

Fissile: spawn73: FlashHarry: moldova is next.

They have petitioned to join Russia at least 3 times, and each time Russia has ignored them.

Because they are dirt poor, with no industry or natural resources.  Their main export is prostitutes/porn-stars/strippers. They are almost all ethnic Romanians and Gypsies and the Russians would like nothing better than dumping the entire lot on the EU.


They don't really have many naval bases either.
 
2014-05-23 01:25:14 PM  

WTF Indeed: spawn73: But that would be kinda after the fact wouldn't it?

What do you mean by difficulty holding Crimea?

So is notion that Russia will enter other countries.  Holding territory is harder than gaining it. Currently, Russia has had to become the defacto government and utility provider for Crimea since Ukraine cut it off. Something that is hard to do when you have stable, free, and mostly corrupt government.  It's nearly impossible to do when your government is run by crooks, eq. see the example of how two Putin allies stole $600m+ of taxpayer money to build hospitals that can't be used.


I never thought Russia would enter other countries. And have said as much given the opertunity.

I'm sure Russia will manage to supply Crimea. Just bringing it up to Russian standards is vastly better than what was under Ukraine.
 
2014-05-23 01:26:56 PM  
New York City is next
 
2014-05-23 01:27:50 PM  

spawn73: I'm sure Russia will manage to supply Crimea. Just bringing it up to Russian standards is vastly better than what was under Ukraine.


Considering what it had under Ukraine was a copy of Russia standards, I'm going with no.
 
2014-05-23 01:35:29 PM  

WTF Indeed: spawn73: I'm sure Russia will manage to supply Crimea. Just bringing it up to Russian standards is vastly better than what was under Ukraine.

Considering what it had under Ukraine was a copy of Russia standards, I'm going with no.


These are things you can Google you know.

Ukraine is a shiathole compared to Russia, and that was before their current shiat situation.
 
2014-05-23 01:36:15 PM  

WTF Indeed: Invading nations is hard to do with no economy due to a total lack of capital investments and crippling sanctions.


Do crippling sanctions mean something different to liberals? They are in no way crippling.
 
2014-05-23 01:38:46 PM  
Well, now, sending Joe's son there is making more sense.

I love it when a good plan comes together.
 
2014-05-23 01:41:11 PM  

Fissile: Balkans: Peninsula, popularly referred to as the Balkans, is a geographical region of Southeast Europe.

Baltics: The countries that have shorelines along the Baltic Sea

Balkans ≠ Baltics

Russian speaking minorities reside in the Baltics.  The people of the Balkans don't speak Russian, although some do speak other Slavic languages.

/Subby fell asleep in 5th grade geography


Came here to say this, and to quote Ambrose Bierce;
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography."

/I have friends in the Baltic states and Kazakhstan, so I am getting a kick out of the geographic ignorance.  The threat of war, not so much.
 
2014-05-23 01:42:18 PM  
So, half of Americans think this country is a Democracy.
And the other half know it is a Republic.

Simple question, is 2014 a Democratic or Republican election?
 
2014-05-23 01:45:00 PM  
spawn73:Ukraine is a shiathole compared to Russia, and that was before their current shiat situation.

???
Once you leave Moscow or St. Petersburg,  I would be hard put to see much difference.  Except that Russia has poisoned and imprisoned a lot more journalists.
 
2014-05-23 01:46:12 PM  

spawn73: These are things you can Google you know.

Ukraine is a shiathole compared to Russia, and that was before their current shiat situation.


You're right, Russia has more money than Ukraine. However the structure of their economies was very similar, a reason for the revolution in Ukraine. They only difference is that Russia can hide it's problems due to the money they get from their large reserves of petrochemicals.  Now that capital investment has fled the country due to sanctions and the worry of larger issues, the money from the petrochemicals now has to go further. Therefore all of Russia will suffer because Crimea would need to be upgraded, and since this is Russia, hundreds of millions will be taken by Putin's friends to enrich themselves.
 
2014-05-23 01:46:23 PM  
For those still thinking that Russia is winning this, you should be aware that China just signed a long-term agreement regarding Russian oil and LNG, something they've been trying to get done for over ten years, but never could because of differing opinions on the appropriate price would be for those commodities.

Not so big a deal, except the final 'price' on what China will be paying for those commodities is now a state secret and will never be openly announced.  There's a reason for that.

Most likely, it's because China insisted on a 'major' discount for the oil and LNG and Russia was in no position to say no, but managed to convince the Chinese to not tell the world about that dry assrape that they just gave the Russians.

That's simple desperation on the part of the Russians and you can be sure that they'll come to regret it down the road.
 
2014-05-23 01:46:58 PM  
This is almost how World War I started, a bunch of ethnic people in one country wanting to unite with their ethnic brethren in another country.  Jeez, if you are living in Country X but consider yourself to really belong to Country Y then pack up your schitt and move to Country Y.
 
2014-05-23 01:47:51 PM  
Russia biggest mistake in invading Ukraine is that the latter is considered part of Europe.

img.fark.net
 
2014-05-23 01:49:20 PM  

Mock26: This is almost how World War I started, a bunch of ethnic people in one country wanting to unite with their ethnic brethren in another country.  Jeez, if you are living in Country X but consider yourself to really belong to Country Y then pack up your schitt and move to Country Y.


It's really hard when Country Y guts the repatriation program and basically makes it impossible for millions of Y-citizens to come home, so they all just settle into Country X.

It gives Country Y a great excuse to invade Country X, however, to 'protect' their former citizens whenever politically convenient.
 
2014-05-23 01:51:28 PM  
Ah ha!  Now the trap has been set!  The brilliant Putin has timed this incident with the precision of a Swiss watch!  Now, we see the feckless Obummer can do nothing to stop what will clearly be another victory for The Shirtless Chessmaster!

Tick tock, Obozo.
 
2014-05-23 01:53:41 PM  
ahh russians....complete irrationality for nationalism.  reminds me of the chinese
 
2014-05-23 02:00:16 PM  

snocone: So, half of Americans think this country is a Democracy.
And the other half know it is a Republic.

Simple question, is 2014 a Democratic or Republican election?


This pertains to the topic how?
 
2014-05-23 02:02:45 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: snocone: So, half of Americans think this country is a Democracy.
And the other half know it is a Republic.

Simple question, is 2014 a Democratic or Republican election?

This pertains to the topic how?


I thought we were discussing mock elections.
 
2014-05-23 02:04:13 PM  
well, nobody is stopping them.
 
2014-05-23 02:04:40 PM  

Laobaojun: spawn73:Ukraine is a shiathole compared to Russia, and that was before their current shiat situation.

???
Once you leave Moscow or St. Petersburg,  I would be hard put to see much difference.  Except that Russia has poisoned and imprisoned a lot more journalists.


Ukraines GDP (nominal) is 3,862USD, Russia is 14,818USD.

Ukraine is also the most corrupt country in Europe, which is quite a feat.
 
2014-05-23 02:05:48 PM  

spawn73:
Ukraine is a shiathole compared to Russia, and that was before their current shiat situation.


You mean to tell me that, with mighty Russia as their economic partner, the Ukrainian economy suffered?

And yet Russia, out of the kindness of their hearts, still want's to keep Ukraine in the "Russian Sphere?"

Gosh, then I guess it's no mystery why those ungrateful Ukrainians are looking West now.

Thanks, that explains a lot.
 
2014-05-23 02:06:38 PM  

WTF Indeed: spawn73: These are things you can Google you know.

Ukraine is a shiathole compared to Russia, and that was before their current shiat situation.

You're right, Russia has more money than Ukraine. However the structure of their economies was very similar, a reason for the revolution in Ukraine. They only difference is that Russia can hide it's problems due to the money they get from their large reserves of petrochemicals.  Now that capital investment has fled the country due to sanctions and the worry of larger issues, the money from the petrochemicals now has to go further. Therefore all of Russia will suffer because Crimea would need to be upgraded, and since this is Russia, hundreds of millions will be taken by Putin's friends to enrich themselves.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/21/russia-30-year-400bn-ga s- deal-china

Russia just signed a major gas deal with China. So they seem fine. Corruption and all.
 
2014-05-23 02:09:06 PM  
I hope for our sake Nieto isn't paying attention.
 
2014-05-23 02:10:19 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: snocone: So, half of Americans think this country is a Democracy.
And the other half know it is a Republic.

Simple question, is 2014 a Democratic or Republican election?

This pertains to the topic how?


The answer is hidden in a secret not-so-coded message.
 
2014-05-23 02:11:12 PM  

spawn73: Russia just signed a major gas deal with China. So they seem fine. Corruption and all.


400b over 30yr years is nothing. Figure 20-30% of that goes into the pockets of Putin's friends, now there is 280b over 30 yrs, and considering Russia just lost hundreds of billions in capital investment just this quarter alone I think you have no idea how the world works.
 
2014-05-23 02:12:43 PM  

madgonad: I think Chechnya needs to have an election to secede from Russia. I'm sure Putin would support those elections just as much as the one's in Crimea?


Well he WOULD but since any vote which doesn't reaffirm Chechnya's love and obedience to Russia would be self-evidently fraudulent according to Impartial Russian Observers and their stuffed ballot boxeselection monitoring it isn't an issue.
 
2014-05-23 02:14:30 PM  

spawn73: WTF Indeed: spawn73: These are things you can Google you know.

Ukraine is a shiathole compared to Russia, and that was before their current shiat situation.

You're right, Russia has more money than Ukraine. However the structure of their economies was very similar, a reason for the revolution in Ukraine. They only difference is that Russia can hide it's problems due to the money they get from their large reserves of petrochemicals.  Now that capital investment has fled the country due to sanctions and the worry of larger issues, the money from the petrochemicals now has to go further. Therefore all of Russia will suffer because Crimea would need to be upgraded, and since this is Russia, hundreds of millions will be taken by Putin's friends to enrich themselves.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/21/russia-30-year-400bn-ga s- deal-china

Russia just signed a major gas deal with China. So they seem fine. Corruption and all.


Another brilliant success for The Slavic Adonis!   While the weak and feckless 0bama can't even build one measly pipeline, the masculine and virile Putin is pumping with the jackhammer efficiency of roughnecks working in the rough trade of oil production!   You can bet that they'll be saying "Nyet, Nobama" in London by August.
 
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