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2014-05-22 08:57:47 PM  
I am literally right now having beers with a friend who played soccer with Wondo at Chico St. and is still good friends with him. Needless to say, he's happy. Donovan can't play forever. He had a good run.
 
2014-05-22 09:48:57 PM  
He was old and has a bum knee, how is this surprising?
 
2014-05-22 10:52:11 PM  

Solid State Vittles: I am literally right now having beers with a friend who played soccer with Wondo at Chico St. and is still good friends with him. Needless to say, he's happy. Donovan can't play forever. He had a good run.


Lets be fair, how many players see 5 world cups
 
2014-05-22 10:56:19 PM  

Sbdolan: Lets be fair, how many players see 5 world cups


I've seen 7 of them myself, and I'm not even an athlete!
 
2014-05-22 10:56:42 PM  

sprgrss: He was old and has a bum knee, how is this surprising?


And took a sabbatical last year
And he looked out of shape for much of this season
And he seemed disinterested in training (if the ESPN documentary were an unfair sample then so be it)

Can't question what he's accomplished for the USA. His presence will be missed, but much like Brazil excluding Kaka and Ronaldinho---the time's up.

HOWEVER, I think Klinsy is clearly building to 2018. Hell, he is probably basing this decision on building the squad for the future if he thinks we have 0 shot at getting out of the group. Young legs getting exposure and experience in a group of death will give them a trial by fire. It may pay off.

As long as we don't fire him before 2018...
 
2014-05-22 10:59:14 PM  
He looked rusty and "off" every single Galaxy game this year.

However, Yedlin? Are you farking kidding me? Julian Green better be the second coming of Maradona, b/c he's played what, six farking minutes for Bayern this year? At 18, that's still not enough (some 15 year old started a game in Serie A this year). Bedoya has been mediocre for awhile now. Yeah, I didn't expect Donovan to start, but none of those names coming off the bench look better than him, especially chasing a goal (and w/ DaMarcus farking Beasley out there, the US will be chasing a goal at some point). Dempsey might be one of the US's best player, but he seems like a lousy captain; Michael Bradley should be captain, w/ or w/o Donovan.

They keep saying "getting that contract extension gave Klinsmann the leverage to experiment." Guess what, if the team loses three straight and doesn't score a goal, the US will rightly can his ass. He got fired in Germany, at Bayern, for a reason. Obviously, they have to play the games, but if the US goes 3 and out and looks awful doing it, Klinsmann's got to go, period.
 
2014-05-22 10:59:18 PM  
I don't think it was going to make a difference either way. Hopefully it doesn't come back as a reason to question bringing back JK if the US has a poor showing.
 
2014-05-22 11:04:08 PM  
The US is going out in the groups either way. Honestly, they could send the paralympic team and get the same results.
 
2014-05-22 11:08:18 PM  
star_topology:
HOWEVER, I think Klinsy is clearly building to 2018. Hell, he is probably basing this decision on building the squad for the future if he thinks we have 0 shot at getting out of the group. Young legs getting exposure and experience in a group of death will give them a trial by fire. It may pay off.

As long as we don't fire him before 2018...


You don't do a "trial run" or "build" to 2018. You think Dempsey, Howard, and the other older vets are happy to help younger players play better at the 2018 World Cup? Are you farking kidding me? You try to do as best as you possibly can for this World Cup, period. You worry about the next World Cup after the confetti drops. Mainly b/c if you blow this, badly, then you don't get to worry about the 2018 World Cup, b/c your ass is fired. If you almost but not quite get out of the group, that's one thing. If you 1998 this shiat, you get fired. You get to buy your own ticket home from Brazil.
 
2014-05-22 11:13:28 PM  

Trocadero: star_topology:
HOWEVER, I think Klinsy is clearly building to 2018. Hell, he is probably basing this decision on building the squad for the future if he thinks we have 0 shot at getting out of the group. Young legs getting exposure and experience in a group of death will give them a trial by fire. It may pay off.

As long as we don't fire him before 2018...

You don't do a "trial run" or "build" to 2018. You think Dempsey, Howard, and the other older vets are happy to help younger players play better at the 2018 World Cup? Are you farking kidding me? You try to do as best as you possibly can for this World Cup, period. You worry about the next World Cup after the confetti drops. Mainly b/c if you blow this, badly, then you don't get to worry about the 2018 World Cup, b/c your ass is fired. If you almost but not quite get out of the group, that's one thing. If you 1998 this shiat, you get fired. You get to buy your own ticket home from Brazil.


Yeah but you have to weigh that against the chances that Donovan turns into Jeff Agoos in '02 or Claudio Reyna in '06.
 
2014-05-22 11:17:41 PM  

Trocadero: He looked rusty and "off" every single Galaxy game this year.

However, Yedlin? Are you farking kidding me? Julian Green better be the second coming of Maradona, b/c he's played what, six farking minutes for Bayern this year? At 18, that's still not enough (some 15 year old started a game in Serie A this year). Bedoya has been mediocre for awhile now. Yeah, I didn't expect Donovan to start, but none of those names coming off the bench look better than him, especially chasing a goal (and w/ DaMarcus farking Beasley out there, the US will be chasing a goal at some point). Dempsey might be one of the US's best player, but he seems like a lousy captain; Michael Bradley should be captain, w/ or w/o Donovan.

They keep saying "getting that contract extension gave Klinsmann the leverage to experiment." Guess what, if the team loses three straight and doesn't score a goal, the US will rightly can his ass. He got fired in Germany, at Bayern, for a reason. Obviously, they have to play the games, but if the US goes 3 and out and looks awful doing it, Klinsmann's got to go, period.


That escalated quickly
 
2014-05-22 11:25:33 PM  

sprgrss: He was old and has a bum knee, how is this surprising?


He's only 32, not that old... But the bum knee is a problem.
 
2014-05-22 11:27:23 PM  
He doesn't deserve to be on the team. End of story. Great US player, though and a seemingly good guy. I don't know him.
 
2014-05-22 11:41:21 PM  

Trocadero: star_topology:
HOWEVER, I think Klinsy is clearly building to 2018. Hell, he is probably basing this decision on building the squad for the future if he thinks we have 0 shot at getting out of the group. Young legs getting exposure and experience in a group of death will give them a trial by fire. It may pay off.

As long as we don't fire him before 2018...

You don't do a "trial run" or "build" to 2018. You think Dempsey, Howard, and the other older vets are happy to help younger players play better at the 2018 World Cup? Are you farking kidding me? You try to do as best as you possibly can for this World Cup, period. You worry about the next World Cup after the confetti drops. Mainly b/c if you blow this, badly, then you don't get to worry about the 2018 World Cup, b/c your ass is fired. If you almost but not quite get out of the group, that's one thing. If you 1998 this shiat, you get fired. You get to buy your own ticket home from Brazil.


dutchsoccersite.org

"I wish every coach I faced was as stupid as you. I would have even more titles to my name."
 
2014-05-22 11:49:14 PM  
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2014-05-22 11:49:26 PM  

star_topology: And took a sabbatical last year


I think this is the whole story. Jurgen's German, Landon wasn't around through the heart of qualification.

Being on the road with a team is a lot of what makes a team.
 
2014-05-22 11:53:38 PM  
0 points, 0 goals

and landton donutfan wouldnt have changed that

i.imgur.com
 
2014-05-23 12:03:36 AM  
We are trying to claw out of this mindset in US soccer that college soccer is our template.  US Soccer needs to do it like the rest of the world.  The clubs have academies that players come into at a young age.  They develop and become pros, if they have the right stuff.  I remember when Klinnsman took over he was a little baffled about the fact that we had ethnic groups with a tradition of soccer and the US Team was generally composed of upper class white guys.  In Brazil and countries like that clubs don't even want to look at upper middle class kids.  They don't think they have the hunger to succeed.  It's a general statement and there are always exceptions but generally that's the rule.
 
2014-05-23 12:19:32 AM  
Excellent!  There's no one to foil FIFA's plan now...
 
2014-05-23 12:24:10 AM  
What about Alexi Lalas? He's still on the team, right?
 
2014-05-23 01:22:47 AM  

JohnnyBravo: He doesn't deserve to be on the team. End of story. Great US player, though and a seemingly good guy. I don't know him.


and what exactly has Green done to deserve being on the team?
 
2014-05-23 02:06:44 AM  

advex101: We are trying to claw out of this mindset in US soccer that college soccer is our template.  US Soccer needs to do it like the rest of the world.  The clubs have academies that players come into at a young age.  They develop and become pros, if they have the right stuff.  I remember when Klinnsman took over he was a little baffled about the fact that we had ethnic groups with a tradition of soccer and the US Team was generally composed of upper class white guys.  In Brazil and countries like that clubs don't even want to look at upper middle class kids.  They don't think they have the hunger to succeed.  It's a general statement and there are always exceptions but generally that's the rule.


US soccer needs the mindset of basketball and Anerican football. Great athletes rarely come from money. Soccer isn't a working class sport here, that's the issue.
 
2014-05-23 02:10:54 AM  
First match in Group G is Portugal vs Germany, second is US vs Ghana. If Portugal and Germany tie and the US beats Ghana that would make things just a bit interesting.
 
2014-05-23 02:29:15 AM  
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RIP Donovan
 
2014-05-23 04:38:25 AM  

star_topology: HOWEVER, I think Klinsy is clearly building to 2018. Hell, he is probably basing this decision on building the squad for the future if he thinks we have 0 shot at getting out of the group. Young legs getting exposure and experience in a group of death will give them a trial by fire. It may pay off.

As long as we don't fire him before 2018...


...and if so, we can officially call the US national team the Cleveland Browns of international soccer.
 
2014-05-23 04:46:51 AM  

advex101: US Soccer needs to do it like the rest of the world.


Step 1 is that MLS and the NASL need to work out a deal for promotion/relegation, then get rid of the draft and "assignments" for "competitive balance". Step 2 (which will never happen because of the NFL) is to move the season to fall through spring rather than winter through fall.
 
2014-05-23 05:02:29 AM  

IlGreven: (which will never happen because of the NFL)


also, Chicago winter. There is no way you could play soccer in Chicago in January.
 
2014-05-23 05:41:20 AM  
99.9% of America, who?
 
2014-05-23 05:59:42 AM  

steamingpile: 99.9% of America, who?


More than 300,000 people know who Donovan is.
 
2014-05-23 07:14:53 AM  

A Fark Handle: baorao: I don't think it was going to make a difference either way. Hopefully it doesn't come back as a reason to question bringing back JK if the US has a poor showing.

that's exactly what it should do.

Pro-Landon:
Bruce Arena: "If there are 23 better players than Landon, then we have a chance to win the World Cup."
Tim Howard: "For me, it's a very easy equation: If he's on the field, he's our top one or two players. That's just my opinion. Whether that means anything or not, I don't know. Landon's humble and I'm sure he feels that way, but for me he's easily one of our best players and he strikes fear in opponents."

Anti-Landon:
Klinsmann (paraphrasing): "That biatch cost me my job at Bayern Munich (after JK begged for him on loan) so I canned his ass from the national team.  Germans are vengeful people..."


Why are you posting from the future?
 
2014-05-23 07:37:06 AM  

A Fark Handle: baorao: I don't think it was going to make a difference either way. Hopefully it doesn't come back as a reason to question bringing back JK if the US has a poor showing.

that's exactly what it should do.

Pro-Landon:
Bruce Arena: "If there are 23 better players than Landon, then we have a chance to win the World Cup."
Tim Howard: "For me, it's a very easy equation: If he's on the field, he's our top one or two players. That's just my opinion. Whether that means anything or not, I don't know. Landon's humble and I'm sure he feels that way, but for me he's easily one of our best players and he strikes fear in opponents."

Anti-Landon:
Klinsmann (paraphrasing): "That biatch cost me my job at Bayern Munich (after JK begged for him on loan) so I canned his ass from the national team.  Germans are vengeful people..."


If the US ever wants to really contend for a WC at some point they need to invest in someone with a development plan that goes beyond "let's assemble the MLS all-stars, see if we can win CONCACAF and then draw our way to the knockout stage".

We're halfway there now. I think it would be a waste to throw that away before 2018. It's also probably the easiest backup plan to revert to, so why not roll the dice?
 
2014-05-23 07:41:40 AM  
He's one of 2 players on the team who actually has some soccer skills.

Chances US gets out of the groups went from 20:1 to 100:1
 
2014-05-23 07:47:28 AM  
By all accounts, it's not gonna matter. What is the story here?
 
2014-05-23 07:56:51 AM  

IlGreven: advex101: US Soccer needs to do it like the rest of the world.

Step 1 is that MLS and the NASL need to work out a deal for promotion/relegation, then get rid of the draft and "assignments" for "competitive balance". Step 2 (which will never happen because of the NFL) is to move the season to fall through spring rather than winter through fall.


MLS does have a working agreement with USL, but i think it is only for player development and reserve sides playing USL pro teams.  Promotion and relegation will never happen in the US unless MLS itself breaks into two different divisions.

As for joining the basic international calender. the cold winters won't let that happen. MLS has three teams in Canada along with the colder US cities.  That being said, forming a working relationship with other off month leagues (Scandinavia, Russia, J League/K League), could help it seem more global and integrated.

As for Landon, when I saw the initial 30, I thought either Landon or Jozy would be left off.  I think leaving Boyd off considering how hot he was at the end of the season will be a bigger mistake than cutting Donovan.
 
2014-05-23 07:57:10 AM  

Koman Coulibaly: Excellent!  There's no one to foil FIFA's plan now...


CURSE YOU!!!
 
2014-05-23 07:58:52 AM  

MugzyBrown: He's one of 2 players on the team who actually has some soccer skills.

Chances US gets out of the groups went from 20:1 to 100:1


Don't worry. Iceland's fourth choice striker will see you through the group.
 
2014-05-23 08:27:27 AM  
I was a bit shocked at Landycakes not making the team but you know what he's had a hell of a career and that knee isn't going to just get better before the WC. And everyone saying how will the team get a goal when down late, hate to tell you but Landon now is a step slower, can't jump as much, and tends to float in and out of games. If he's in for the last 20-25 min what good is he for 5-8 min of that.  T. Boyd needs a full Qualifying Tourney to see if he's the next Brek Shey or Landon. As far as the kids (Yedlin, Johansson, Green) look back in the day we rolled out a lineup of Landy, Demarcus, Tim H and it proved to be good for us for 12+ yrs for the most part. I feel better with Yedlin back there since he is fast enough to keep up with people. Its time to see what they got. And if they suck, welp....at least we know we can beat Mexico
 
2014-05-23 08:34:41 AM  

Trocadero: He looked rusty and "off" every single Galaxy game this year.

However, Yedlin? Are you farking kidding me? Julian Green better be the second coming of Maradona, b/c he's played what, six farking minutes for Bayern this year? At 18, that's still not enough (some 15 year old started a game in Serie A this year). Bedoya has been mediocre for awhile now. Yeah, I didn't expect Donovan to start, but none of those names coming off the bench look better than him, especially chasing a goal (and w/ DaMarcus farking Beasley out there, the US will be chasing a goal at some point). Dempsey might be one of the US's best player, but he seems like a lousy captain; Michael Bradley should be captain, w/ or w/o Donovan.

They keep saying "getting that contract extension gave Klinsmann the leverage to experiment." Guess what, if the team loses three straight and doesn't score a goal, the US will rightly can his ass. He got fired in Germany, at Bayern, for a reason. Obviously, they have to play the games, but if the US goes 3 and out and looks awful doing it, Klinsmann's got to go, period.


and then the very next comment:

baorao: I don't think it was going to make a difference either way. Hopefully it doesn't come back as a reason to question bringing back JK if the US has a poor showing.

 
2014-05-23 08:36:31 AM  
There are a lot of people posting in this thread who have no idea what they are talking about which I find quite amusing.  Most MLS clubs already have development academies and they are getting more and more popular.  DC United sold someone after the 2012 season for 3 million to Anderslect (sp?) who plays on the Honduran national team.  Bill Hamid, DC's keeper, has been getting calls for the US National team.  I'm sure there are several others.

Changing the season to fall/spring for MLS will never happen, and shouldn't happen, because of the cold cities that have teams.  Also promotion/relegation doesn't need to happen due to the parity and multiple avenues to improve your squad.  DC was the worst team in the league last season and are now second in the East.  The league needs at least 20 more years before it is established enough to consider promotion/relegation and even then I don't think it will happen.

As for Jurgen, I have faith in the guy.  The US had the longest running unbeaten run in the world for a bit last year which included wins over Italy in Europe, and Germany.  You can claim that maybe the best players weren't there, but it wasn't like the US was playing the high school team.  You would think people would stop questioning him (or go crazy and sound like the guy screwed their girlfriend like that one dude upthread) after the improvements in the squad in the past 2 years.  The US attacks now against all teams instead of bunkering down against good squads.  I do think Landon may be missed, but his absence gives other guys a time to shine and maybe a different player will have what I like to call "the Algeria moment".  One other person said that leaving Boyd off is the bigger talking point and I agree.  I'm excited for the world cup and I think the friendlies will give us a better understanding of how these choices will pay off.
 
2014-05-23 08:58:20 AM  

WhyteRaven74: steamingpile: 99.9% of America, who?

More than 300,000 people know who Donovan is.


Yeah, even I know who he is and I detest soccer.

RIP American soccer guy.
 
2014-05-23 09:03:13 AM  

steamingpile: 99.9% of America, who?


Huh not a sports tab troll trolling a football thread once again. Something said troll claims he would never ever do.
 
2014-05-23 09:17:45 AM  
This is going to be a tough world cup. No Ireland, no Scotland. Usually I root for whoever Portugal's playing so I'm forced to support USA for one game. I'd love to see Ghana get out of the group of death, but it seems unlikely. Maybe Germany will get their scheiss together this time.
 
2014-05-23 09:24:20 AM  
Klinsman just pulled a George RR Martin: kill off everyone's favorite character before things even get started.
 
2014-05-23 09:26:35 AM  

Sbdolan: Solid State Vittles: I am literally right now having beers with a friend who played soccer with Wondo at Chico St. and is still good friends with him. Needless to say, he's happy. Donovan can't play forever. He had a good run.

Lets be fair, how many players see 5 world cups


this would have been his fourth. DeMarcus Beasley becomes first American with 4 world cup appearances, this summer. Saw it this morn on SC.
 
2014-05-23 09:28:34 AM  

HawaiiE: Klinsman just pulled a George RR Martin: kill off everyone's favorite character before things even get started.


So, Joffrey Donovan?
 
2014-05-23 09:32:18 AM  
Donavan did have good run, Klinsman making bold decision.
 
2014-05-23 09:33:44 AM  

Halli: MugzyBrown: He's one of 2 players on the team who actually has some soccer skills.

Chances US gets out of the groups went from 20:1 to 100:1

Don't worry. Iceland's fourth choice striker will see you through the group.


I think Wondo's got a shot at being a breakout star... which is weird to say at his age, but dude's been red hot lately.
 
2014-05-23 09:42:04 AM  
Well, I think this WC is going to be awesome. Tons of great round robin matches and if the US makes it out of the first round, we've got a great shot at history.

/ IF.
 
2014-05-23 10:07:50 AM  

Crewmannumber6: HawaiiE: Klinsman just pulled a George RR Martin: kill off everyone's favorite character before things even get started.

So, Joffrey Donovan?


"The entire kingdom loves you & wants you to play... But they have the soft hearts of women... So long as I am king there will be no Cambodian sabbaticals... Off with his head!"
 
2014-05-23 10:46:44 AM  
I wonder if the majority of the US would care if the US won the World Cup.  I would guess no.
 
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