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(Pottstown Mercury)   Pennsylvania cops may soon be able to search your car without a warrant. That's not all though, they may also have the authority to arrest you if you have a secret compartment in your car, even though nothing is in it   (pottsmerc.com) divider line 240
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2014-05-22 08:26:05 PM  
From TFA:  The state Supreme Court ruled last week that police are allowed to search vehicles without a warrant.

I expect the federal Supreme Court to rule this as a 4th Amendment violation and biatchslap Pennsylvania.
 
2014-05-22 08:30:01 PM  

dustman81: From TFA:  The state Supreme Court ruled last week that police are allowed to search vehicles without a warrant.

I expect the federal Supreme Court to rule this as a 4th Amendment violation and biatchslap Pennsylvania.


Are you new to this country?
 
2014-05-22 08:30:56 PM  

dustman81: From TFA:  The state Supreme Court ruled last week that police are allowed to search vehicles without a warrant.

I expect the federal Supreme Court to rule this as a 4th Amendment violation and biatchslap Pennsylvania.


It is to be hoped. But in the meantime loads of people will get screwed and there's always the possibility that Antonin "bucket of human piss" Scalia will find a post rationalisation that makes no sense at all.
 
2014-05-22 08:31:58 PM  
Oh and the article is something of a misrepresentation of the headline.
 
2014-05-22 08:39:27 PM  
Well f*ck me.
 
2014-05-22 08:52:26 PM  

Tigger: Oh and the article is something of a misrepresentation of the headline.


How so? FTFA:

The state Supreme Court ruled last week that police are allowed to search vehicles without a warrant.
and
"On the same day the Supreme Court ruling was announced, the House Judiciary Committee unanimously approved legislation making it a crime to possess a car with "secret compartments." If the bill becomes law, anyone caught with such compartments could be charged with a first-degree misdemeanor and have their vehicle seized by police - even if the compartments hold nothing but air."
 
2014-05-22 08:53:35 PM  

dustman81: From TFA:  The state Supreme Court ruled last week that police are allowed to search vehicles without a warrant.

I expect the federal Supreme Court to rule this as a 4th Amendment violation and biatchslap Pennsylvania.


THIS Supreme Court?

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/5-4, Scalia writing
 
2014-05-22 08:53:44 PM  
Haha my secret compartment is a total vacuum. Suckers.
 
2014-05-22 08:58:47 PM  
My car has a retractable cup holder.

But I'm down by law, you know, criminal-minded.
 
2014-05-22 09:21:26 PM  
Why do you need a secret compartment in your car.  WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO HIDE, CITIZEN
 
2014-05-22 09:23:55 PM  
What qualifies as a secret compartment.  Car companies are putting storage in some many places now, you may not even know the compartment was there.
 
2014-05-22 09:37:19 PM  

Tigger: It is to be hoped. But in the meantime loads of people will get screwed and there's always the possibility that Antonin "bucket of human piss" Scalia will find a post rationalisation that makes no sense at all.


I don't see the problem with this.  If you are hiding a terrorist in your glovebox, then quite simply, you are a terrorist as well.  Terrorists will do everything in their power to destroy the Constitution.  That is why I am happy that Clarence Thomas, Antonin Scalia, and the Republican branch of the Supreme Court is doing the things to protect me from you.
 
2014-05-22 09:40:07 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Tigger: It is to be hoped. But in the meantime loads of people will get screwed and there's always the possibility that Antonin "bucket of human piss" Scalia will find a post rationalisation that makes no sense at all.

I don't see the problem with this.  If you are hiding a terrorist in your glovebox, then quite simply, you are a terrorist as well.  Terrorists will do everything in their power to destroy the Constitution.  That is why I am happy that Clarence Thomas, Antonin Scalia, and the Republican branch of the Supreme Court is doing the things to protect me from you.


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2014-05-22 09:42:16 PM  

dustman81: From TFA:  The state Supreme Court ruled last week that police are allowed to search vehicles without a warrant.

I expect the federal Supreme Court to rule this as a 4th Amendment violation and biatchslap Pennsylvania.


Pennsylvania just imported the automobile exception into its Constitution, I believe it was the last state in the union to recognize this exception under its Constitution.

The 4th Amendment allows for searches of automobiles when the search is based upon Probable Cause.

So no, the United States Supreme Court will do nothing about this.
 
2014-05-22 09:43:21 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: What qualifies as a secret compartment.  Car companies are putting storage in some many places now, you may not even know the compartment was there.


The law is talking about trap cars where the tail light is actually a secret compartment or the quarter panel is a secret compartment.  These trap cars are used for transporting drugs and illegal weapons.
 
2014-05-22 09:43:33 PM  

dustman81: From TFA:  The state Supreme Court ruled last week that police are allowed to search vehicles without a warrant.

I expect the federal Supreme Court to rule this as a 4th Amendment violation and biatchslap Pennsylvania.


Nope. As long as they have probable cause to do so, police do NOT need a warrant to search a vehicle. It's been that way for a long, long time.
 
2014-05-22 09:49:18 PM  

sprgrss: I_Am_Weasel: What qualifies as a secret compartment.  Car companies are putting storage in some many places now, you may not even know the compartment was there.

The law is talking about trap cars where the tail light is actually a secret compartment or the quarter panel is a secret compartment.  These trap cars are used for transporting drugs and illegal weapons.


That's what was intended. Since the police can seize your vehicle for it they can make anything a 'secret compartment'.

You know, my door panels have space in them that you can access by taking off the inner panel = hidden compartment = free car for the police to seize, sell and increase their budget.
 
2014-05-22 09:50:14 PM  

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2014-05-22 10:21:14 PM  

El_Perro: dustman81: From TFA:  The state Supreme Court ruled last week that police are allowed to search vehicles without a warrant.

I expect the federal Supreme Court to rule this as a 4th Amendment violation and biatchslap Pennsylvania.

Nope. As long as they have probable cause to do so, police do NOT need a warrant to search a vehicle. It's been that way for a long, long time.


Came to say this. TFA doesn't say they can search your car for no reason. That's a whole nother animal.

/nother isn't a word evidently, yet...
 
2014-05-22 10:35:03 PM  

PreMortem: Came to say this. TFA doesn't say they can search your car for no reason. That's a whole nother animal.


It is the police. They can search your vehicle for any reason they want to. Light bulb out? Probable cause. Waited a hair too long after the green light to accelerate? Probable cause. Claimed they could hear your 100W stereo when you had your windows rolled up? Probable cause. They just had a gut feeling? Probable cause. Ad nauseum.

It is their word against yours, and too often, even evidence proving otherwise isn't worth jack shiat to the courts, since if they question the judgement of police officers, their entire role in society is proven to be a moot point. Deal with it, citizen.
 
2014-05-22 10:40:42 PM  
Welcome to the new world, citizen.
 
2014-05-22 10:44:37 PM  
Welp, good thing I never plan on going to Pennsylvania.
 
2014-05-22 10:47:19 PM  
"Without the hidden compartment law, we would not have had any charges on the suspect," Lt. Michael Combs of the state highway patrol told WKYC-TV.

Well true, but since there were no drugs in the car, maybe you shouldn't have had any charges on him to begin with.
 
2014-05-22 10:47:36 PM  
"Without the hidden compartment law, we would not have had any charges on the suspect," Lt. Michael Combs of the state highway patrol told WKYC-TV.

And here we are. Police are now upset that they might stop someone and be unable to arrest them for doing nothing.
 
2014-05-22 10:47:55 PM  

RoxtarRyan: PreMortem: Came to say this. TFA doesn't say they can search your car for no reason. That's a whole nother animal.

It is the police. They can search your vehicle for any reason they want to. Light bulb out? Probable cause. Waited a hair too long after the green light to accelerate? Probable cause. Claimed they could hear your 100W stereo when you had your windows rolled up? Probable cause. They just had a gut feeling? Probable cause. Ad nauseum.

It is their word against yours, and too often, even evidence proving otherwise isn't worth jack shiat to the courts, since if they question the judgement of police officers, their entire role in society is proven to be a moot point. Deal with it, citizen.


Maybe for the inexperienced. I got screwed once because of my own ignorance., now I have a recording device and know my rights. Knowing your rights and telling the officer he's being recorded causes no worries for the rest of your days.

/ya drunk, not driving
 
2014-05-22 10:48:29 PM  
Ohio has had this law for a while. By definition of the law, the cooler I have welded into the floor of  my Jeep is a secret compartment and illegal.
 
2014-05-22 10:49:12 PM  
My car has a secret compartment. It's called a glove box by most people but I am sure the cops will be unaware of such a thing.
 
2014-05-22 10:49:45 PM  
There's going to be a run on Bondo as people rush to fill in their illegal spare tire compartments.
 
2014-05-22 10:49:52 PM  

AngryTeacher: Ohio has had this law for a while. By definition of the law, the cooler I have welded into the floor of  my Jeep is a secret compartment and illegal.


Ohio does. What more proof do you need that it's wrong?
 
2014-05-22 10:50:15 PM  
So my glovebox can get me arrested?  Even though I have no gloves in it?  The fark?  I'll have to fill it with open bottles of whiskey.  Just to be safe.
 
2014-05-22 10:50:37 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: What qualifies as a secret compartment.  Car companies are putting storage in some many places now, you may not even know the compartment was there.


This. The floor of my Prius's trunk lifts up For storage. In fact, I often refer that compartment as the smuggler's hold.

Does this mean I can't drive through PA ever again?
 
2014-05-22 10:50:41 PM  

dustman81: From TFA:  The state Supreme Court ruled last week that police are allowed to search vehicles without a warrant.

I expect the federal Supreme Court to rule this as a 4th Amendment violation and biatchslap Pennsylvania.


Sadly, the Supreme Court has allowed warrantless searches of automobiles for decades. They rely on the imaginary "exigency" that people are likely not to wait until the cops get a warrant. Because everyone thinks they can just drive away from a traffic stop without any consequences.
 
2014-05-22 10:51:39 PM  
>"The objective is to get those cars and trucks off the road, so if you're using the same truck to drive back and forth between Florida and New York and we catch you doing it, then we can it off the road," Harper said this week.

Wow. Shipping is going to be a biatch. Wouldn't want to be a UPS driver.
 
2014-05-22 10:52:27 PM  
So it's not any worse if I just leave the dead hookers in there?
 
2014-05-22 10:54:25 PM  
Never drive in South Carolina after dark with out of state (e.g. New York) plates.

If you're heading anywhere near S.C. at night, stop in North Carolina or Georgia.
 
2014-05-22 10:55:08 PM  
I thought they could already search with just probable cause?  Isn't this how it's always been?
 
2014-05-22 10:55:48 PM  
You never know what might be in those compartments. Why, there could be beer in quantities other than six or 24.
It would be madness!!
 
2014-05-22 10:56:12 PM  

MurphyMurphy: There's going to be a run on Bondo as people rush to fill in their illegal spare tire compartments.


Well, citizen, you have a secret compartment filled with bondo AND GODS KNOW WHAT ELSE.

You have the right to remain silent. It's the only right you have left, so shut the fark up.
You have the right to an attorney. If you cannot afford an attorney, the Commonwealth of Pennsyvania will provide you with the dumbest farkin' lawyer they can find.
 
2014-05-22 10:56:19 PM  
I blame gay marriage.
 
2014-05-22 10:58:24 PM  

gingerjet: I blame gay marriage.


You know what I blame?

Hint: a couple of G's, an I and an N, end it all with an ER. Yes, only a ginger can call another ginger "ginger."
 
2014-05-22 10:59:27 PM  
Buy an used car and didn't know there was a secret compartment?  

Hope you like prison, jaily.
 
2014-05-22 10:59:58 PM  

cepson: dustman81: From TFA:  The state Supreme Court ruled last week that police are allowed to search vehicles without a warrant.

I expect the federal Supreme Court to rule this as a 4th Amendment violation and biatchslap Pennsylvania.

Sadly, the Supreme Court has allowed warrantless searches of automobiles for decades. They rely on the imaginary "exigency" that people are likely not to wait until the cops get a warrant. Because everyone thinks they can just drive away from a traffic stop without any consequences.


You misstate the exigency.  The police cannot detain you at a traffic stop longer than necessary to issue a citation for the reason you were stopped.  Otherwise, the 4th Amendment would be violated.  If PC for a search of your vehicle develops during that time then they can extend the stop and search.
 
2014-05-22 11:00:44 PM  
Pretty sure 4th amendment says they need a warrant specifying the items they are looking for.
 
2014-05-22 11:00:50 PM  
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2014-05-22 11:01:58 PM  

sprgrss: I_Am_Weasel: What qualifies as a secret compartment.  Car companies are putting storage in some many places now, you may not even know the compartment was there.

The law is talking about trap cars where the tail light is actually a secret compartment or the quarter panel is a secret compartment.  These trap cars are used for transporting drugs and illegal weapons.


And God help you if you make the mistake of buying one unknowingly.

Hey, that gives me an idea:

1) Install secret compartments

2) Sell car cheap to someone you hate

3) Call cops!
 
2014-05-22 11:02:03 PM  

RoxtarRyan: PreMortem: Came to say this. TFA doesn't say they can search your car for no reason. That's a whole nother animal.

It is the police. They can search your vehicle for any reason they want to. Light bulb out? Probable cause. Waited a hair too long after the green light to accelerate? Probable cause. Claimed they could hear your 100W stereo when you had your windows rolled up? Probable cause. They just had a gut feeling? Probable cause. Ad nauseum.

It is their word against yours, and too often, even evidence proving otherwise isn't worth jack shiat to the courts, since if they question the judgement of police officers, their entire role in society is proven to be a moot point. Deal with it, citizen.


None of those create probable cause to search your vehicle for contraband or evidence of a crime.

That's not to say police won't manufacture probable cause with a drug sniff.  I was victimized by that just earlier this week in Kansas.  How a dog can alert to the presence of narcotics in a vehicle that has never had drugs in it is beyond me.
 
2014-05-22 11:02:49 PM  

Deep Contact: Pretty sure 4th amendment says they need a warrant specifying the items they are looking for.


Not with an automobile if there is probable cause to believe there is contraband or evidence of a crime in an automobile.
 
2014-05-22 11:03:28 PM  

RoxtarRyan: Tigger: Oh and the article is something of a misrepresentation of the headline.

How so? FTFA:

The state Supreme Court ruled last week that police are allowed to search vehicles without a warrant.
and
"On the same day the Supreme Court ruling was announced, the House Judiciary Committee unanimously approved legislation making it a crime to possess a car with "secret compartments." If the bill becomes law, anyone caught with such compartments could be charged with a first-degree misdemeanor and have their vehicle seized by police - even if the compartments hold nothing but air."


Is the compartment that holds the spare tire considered "secret"??
 
2014-05-22 11:04:25 PM  
Police have ALWAYS been able to search your car without a warrant. There has been an "automobile" exception, an "exigent circs" exception, a "search subsequent to lawful arrest" exception, and a "plain view" exception since forever.

The real question is what kind of language they are using to define "secret compartment" and how they are going to establish "use or intent to use" it for concealment of illegal substances and/or people. My suspicion is that this would fall into the "vague or overbroad" category and could be rendered unconstitutional as same--either the wording is so vague as to be meaningless, or so broad as to cover lawful and protected activities.

As Farkers have already noted, many vehicles come with "secret compartments" already built in: concealed spare tire compartments, luggage compartments and the like. Are those specifically excluded by the language of the law or not? And if not, how do the police or prosecutor establish that they were being used or intended to be used to transport drugs, and not a spare tire?

I get what the law is aimed at--Batcave-style after-market compartments hidden in the body of the vehicle, extra tanks dropped into the gas tank, etc.--with the EXPRESS PURPOSE of smuggling drugs, like the amazing stuff you can see on Nat Geo's "Border Patrol" series or the remarkable episode of COPS where a hidden panel was removed from under the gas tank to reveal nearly $1 million in neatly wrapped bills. However, the bill does not seem to be worded that way, and it needs to be struck down immediately.
 
2014-05-22 11:05:16 PM  
I'll go warn all the people I know with secret compartments in their vehicles.  Okay, I'm back.
 
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