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(The Atlantic)   The case for reparations: "In America there is a strange and powerful belief that if you stab a black person 10 times, the bleeding stops and the healing begins the moment the assailant drops the knife"   (theatlantic.com) divider line 95
    More: Interesting, Massachusetts General Court, American racism, Valley Forge, humans, servitude, good behaviour, John Conyers, Manhattan Institute  
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2014-05-22 03:35:51 PM  
6 votes:
i.imgur.com
2014-05-24 11:49:23 PM  
4 votes:

OgreMagi: Dusk-You-n-Me: OgreMagi: Fark your white guilt.  I did nothing wrong and I'll be damned if I am forced to pay penance for something I did not do.

It's not about me, it's about us as a country. We spent hundreds of years with our boot on the neck of black people. We still do today.

Yeah, racism is so bad that black men can't even get elected to important offices.


American born black men still can't...
2014-05-24 11:25:32 PM  
4 votes:
Is this sponsored by Nike and Beats headphones? Because that's where the money will go.
2014-05-24 11:15:19 PM  
4 votes:
fusillade762: A neighbor who opposed the family said that Bill Myers was "probably a nice guy, but every time I look at him I see $2,000 drop off the value of my house."

It's funny: you still see people using other people's bigotry to justify their own. "We can't let gays adopt kids because they'll get bullied for having gay parents!"


Neighbor, please.
2014-05-22 03:37:56 PM  
4 votes:

violentsalvation: [i.imgur.com image 380x285]


i.imgur.com
2014-05-25 04:14:17 AM  
3 votes:

Boojum2k: Big Ramifications: eat da poo poo

It's somewhat sad, but also typical of Fark (or anywhere on the internet, for that matter), that this was not actually the worst or dumbest comment in the thread.


jesus was an extraterrestrial
2014-05-25 12:44:03 AM  
3 votes:
This thread is like a giant honeypot for racist farkheads. Filled with delicious, sticky honey.
2014-05-24 11:52:24 PM  
3 votes:
www.indianvillagemall.com
/all y'all gots to go
2014-05-24 11:27:11 PM  
3 votes:
Man, this is the most "read the article" dense thread I've seen in a long long time. Fark, what happened to you?
2014-05-22 03:38:33 PM  
3 votes:
tl;dr: black writer wants welfare

/I should catch a few with that.
2014-05-25 09:59:14 AM  
2 votes:

Animatronik: At the moment half of all black houses receive govt assistance, and 3/4 of the children are born out of wedlock. The eqquivalent statistics for white households hover around 30%. Meanwhile , the socialist welfare state now consumes more than half the federal budget, a third of which is usually borrowed money. 3 out of 4 able bodied black men between the ages of 20 and 60 are not even looking for work, choosing to be on assistance instead. And possibly posting on Fark when the urge hits.

We don't need more money going to reparations, we need massive spending cuts and a Congress that wants to pass laws to create incentives for marriage and hard work.


Welcome to FARK, Paul Ryan!
2014-05-25 02:46:08 AM  
2 votes:
I Browse:

Poser.  I know what you look like.

i.imgur.com
2014-05-25 01:19:02 AM  
2 votes:
look this article was waaay too long so i only read the title but give me a moment so i can explain how racism is over
2014-05-25 01:08:35 AM  
2 votes:
i apologize in advance to fark server admins for potentially crashing the machine that handles my ignore list
2014-05-25 12:38:17 AM  
2 votes:
www.normanadams.org

Just look at how good this kid has it! FOUR completely FREE personal bodyguards!
2014-05-25 12:21:57 AM  
2 votes:

The Southern Dandy: I'm curious as to who gets the reparations?  Anyone with black skin?  What about white descendants of black slaves? What about blacks whose ancestors were not slaves?  Who decides?


I'm curious as to whether you've read the article?  Have you read all of it?  Looked up all the words you don't comprehend immediately?  Conferred with others as to the differing interpretations of context?

Who decides?
2014-05-25 12:09:43 AM  
2 votes:
i18.photobucket.com
2014-05-24 11:42:25 PM  
2 votes:

Dusk-You-n-Me: OgreMagi: Fark your white guilt.  I did nothing wrong and I'll be damned if I am forced to pay penance for something I did not do.

It's not about me, it's about us as a country. We spent hundreds of years with our boot on the neck of black people. We still do today.


Yeah, racism is so bad that black men can't even get elected to important offices.
2014-05-24 11:33:30 PM  
2 votes:
Long live the original sin of white liberal guilt. Self-flagellation is fun to watch.
2014-05-24 11:25:31 PM  
2 votes:

Dusk-You-n-Me: Abox: I'm not racially sinning today either so leave me out of it.

For the second time, it's not about you. It's about America. Jesus christ.


I'm an American.
2014-05-24 11:23:12 PM  
2 votes:

cchris_39: I'm all for reparations.

Anybody who's not happy here should renounce their citizenship and receive free plane ticket back to the county of their birth and $1,000 in cash.


So if I'm against reparations I should be put on a plane and flown back to precisely where I'm currently residing?  That's a waste of money.
2014-05-24 11:14:12 PM  
2 votes:
Obama should use his executive powers to give reparations to everyone who isn't white and doesn't have a penis.
2014-05-26 12:52:59 PM  
1 votes:

COMALite J: Where's the city that was attacked from the air (the first U.S. city ever to have that happen to it, and the only one until 9/11) for being Irish or Italian...


Well, there's Jeffery, Sharples and Blair in West Virginia. Coal miners tried to unionize, the mine owners had professional strike breakers machine gun a tent city - men, women and children - and then the President ordered the Army to intervene with bombers. You can even Google up a pic of some miners holding one of the dud bombs. Google the "Ludlow Massacre" in Colorado for another good example a couple years later.

The point is, blacks have had it bad at times, but they don't have a monopoly on it. Racism used to be fire hoses and police dogs. Now it's a clerk being rude to Oprah when she looks at a $30,000 purse in Switzerland.
2014-05-26 08:44:52 AM  
1 votes:

pendy575: Do calling someone a colonial is ok then!

Got it

Because colonials were murders right?


Your older brother decided to loan his fark account to you for the summer huh?
2014-05-25 10:22:52 PM  
1 votes:

Waldo Pepper: Stop talking about the problem and stop trying to assign blame and just fix it.


You almost made sense there, and then went back to the derp of "let's not talk about it."
2014-05-25 09:01:10 PM  
1 votes:
I have a black friend.
2014-05-25 05:16:58 PM  
1 votes:

Clemkadidlefark: Italians, Irish, Native tribes .. uh let's see .. Jews, indentured English, Dutch, French, Scots .. incarcerated Japanese ..

But as to those of African genealogy .. it may have been bad for you, but we did kill 600,000+ Americans to set this to rights, plus uprooted and destroyed a million and a half families + who knows how far the ultimate damage spreads when calculating injured on both sides.


You did all that for us? But I thought that the war wasn't about slavery, but "STATE'S RIGHTS"TM? Guess it was slavery after all? Well thanks and all, but what happened after kinda nullified that shiat.
2014-05-25 04:50:13 PM  
1 votes:

Witness99: fat_free: LET'S PAY EVERYBODY! GAYS! WOMEN! CATHOLICS! ASIANS! ITALIANS! NATIVE AMERICANS! INUIT PEOPLES! FAMILIES OF CHILD LABOR!

Virgins and guys with no game!


And those poor men stuck in the friend zone!

*tips fedora*
2014-05-25 03:56:52 PM  
1 votes:
guys i am not racist but why do all black people, every single one, hate white people it makes me really distrustful of people who are even kind of swarthy and complain when they have jobs or refrigerators i bet malcom x had something to say about refrigerators
2014-05-25 03:43:23 PM  
1 votes:

Waldo Pepper: Why does every black person think that whites have in-roads to the marketplace because of where they started?


...okay, now we're starting to learn what you really think.
2014-05-25 03:31:28 PM  
1 votes:
That article is way too long for me to read while drunk, so what does the author suggestion be reparations?
2014-05-25 03:19:00 PM  
1 votes:

fat_free: LET'S PAY EVERYBODY! GAYS! WOMEN! CATHOLICS! ASIANS! ITALIANS! NATIVE AMERICANS! INUIT PEOPLES! FAMILIES OF CHILD LABOR!


We could do all of that by making the 1% pay higher taxes.
2014-05-25 02:49:34 PM  
1 votes:

lilplatinum: But it doesn't make the North more racist, as it isn't.


He (or she) says emphatically, with nothing but feelings to back it up.

"I feel it so it must be true."  You vote conservative republican? Because that sounds very conservative and republican.
2014-05-25 01:20:03 PM  
1 votes:

Freudian_slipknot: Waldo Pepper: heck it is best to keep life calm and quiet around where you live to keep the police away.

Again, this assumes that the criminals live in my neighborhood and just take an el train downtown to rob the yuppies.  Why do you assume that there are any more criminals living in my area than in any other in the city?

Oh, right, because I mentioned that I live in a non-white-majority area.  Clearly, my neighbors are all gang-bangers who just don't want to shiat where they eat, and there's nothing to steal here because blacks are poors.

Once again, anyone pretending that racism is even remotely dead in this country is a farking nutbag.


You beat the hell out of that straw man.

Rofl good one
2014-05-25 01:13:58 PM  
1 votes:
rohar

That's interesting. Idaho is at the far bottom, but home to the Arian Nations.

What do non-trinitarians have to do with anything?
2014-05-25 01:11:09 PM  
1 votes:
*Walks into the thread and sees body parts and entrails splattered all over the walls. No survivors, just carnage.*

*Backs out slowly, shutting off the light and closing the door*
2014-05-25 12:22:08 PM  
1 votes:

Trail of Dead: trevzie: Trail of Dead: vernonFL: OgreMagi: Fark your white guilt. I did nothing wrong and I'll be damned if I am forced to pay penance for something I did not do.

You, your parents, your grandparents, got better treatment and benefited from racism.

You as a person and your friends and family are where they are today in part because of institutional racism.

You did nothing wrong, but you were born into and grew up in and now live in a system that is skewed in your favor.

We can't have a rational discussion about these things without white people threatening to burn everything to the ground. It's a lost cause, like the global warming debate and the income inequality debate. Otherwise decent, rational whites lose their shiat when these topics come up. I have zero faith in things getting better for black people in America in this century. One day, white America won't hold the absolute power it does now - that's the only hope. So farking glad I don't have kids growing up in this poisonous atmosphere.

I think the victim complex is why things aren't getting better for black people. They feel like they can't succeed because they are opressed and it turns into a self fulfilling prophecy because they don't try. The key to getting a good job is getting into a good college, and black people have it pretty easy when it comes to getting accepted into a good college. The system is actually stacked in their favor right now. Granted it's harder to get a good GPA in high school with poverty and a broken home life. But really, it's high school, it's not that hard.

Thanks for proving my point.


Good rebuttal. Ad hominem combined with a self proclaimed victory. I think I figured out why there can't be a rational discussion.
2014-05-25 12:12:28 PM  
1 votes:
Reading that is like listening to addict give all the details of why they drink.
2014-05-25 11:51:32 AM  
1 votes:

svanmeter: If this all sounds silly, it's because the whole reparations idea is silly. It's time to move on. I didn't RTFA and have no idea what I'm talking about. I'm like a child that walked into the middle of a movie theater

2014-05-25 11:12:37 AM  
1 votes:
I'll admit that I didn't bother reading the article, but I think I can sum it up based on the Fark headline, and this is my opinion on it.

The article writer is clearly an idiot. If he had been paying attention at all, he'd know that the Miami Heat relies on an aggressive defense that begins upcourt, choking the lanes with a zone defense to block the inbound pass outside the three-point line, sometimes before the ball has even made it to half-court. Lebron will take the top man most of the time, looking to make a steal or just keep the ball out of the hands of Paul George. WIth fast rotation into a double-team, Pacers can't rely on that pick-and-roll that they used so effectively in the second half of the series against Atlanta. They need to anticipate the second man coverage and rotate their guards to open up passing lanes or penetrate on the dribble. It's risky to run the lane on Bosh, but he has a higher rate of fouling big men, which Indiana can exploit if they're patient.
2014-05-25 10:54:05 AM  
1 votes:

Waldo Pepper: I think a lot of what is called racism is more culturism. You take a white person from the deep small town south and throw him/her in a group of white people from New Jersey and see how comfortable he/she is around them.


To be fair, taking pretty much anyone on earth and throwing them in with a bunch of orange people with waxed eyebrows would be quit a shock.
2014-05-25 10:52:57 AM  
1 votes:
Drinking game for this thread:

* Read each post.  For extra inebriation, click on "show posts from ignored users."

* Take a drink for every post that makes it abundantly clear the poster DNRTFA.
2014-05-25 09:12:39 AM  
1 votes:
img.fark.net
2014-05-25 09:07:19 AM  
1 votes:
America is a great country. You can be anything you want. Even a victim.
2014-05-25 08:08:51 AM  
1 votes:

TheEvilOne23: How about you stop asking for free money. Not gonna happen. EVER. No point in wishing for money for something someone did 200 years ago to someone who is long dead. If you could and should get money coming, then I deserve 1 billion dollars from the NAACP, I was mugged by a black guy. Seems to me ever since Obamass was elected it's been "Let's bash Whitey" and has been for 6 years. Cannot wait til this asshat is out of office.


Recipe for a Fark idiot:

1) do not RTFA
2) do not RTFT
3) spout off pointless passionate attack on what you think it maybe said
4) be defensively outraged when people note the above makes you an idiot.
2014-05-25 07:40:23 AM  
1 votes:

cchris_39: vernonFL: 40 acres and a mule, Jack.

Sometime around 1965 the dawn of timethe Democrats politiciansfigured out that you only have to promise them that and 90% of them will vote for you whether they ever get it or not.


/FTFY
2014-05-25 05:51:29 AM  
1 votes:
I'm fine with reparations for slavery. But I don't think we should pay them directly. Instead we should give black people better services, goods and education. For example wherever there is a water fountain we should have a second one just for black people with a sign saying so. I also think that black people are having their education hindered by being around so many white people and learning white history, we should make sure all black people go to exclusive black only schools where they can learn on their own without feeling oppressed by being around any white children. We should also have special sections on public buses just for for black people to sit in so they will always have a seat, maybe in the rear section.

//Haven't read the article yet.
2014-05-25 05:38:28 AM  
1 votes:
God, black people sure make some Farkers pretty mad in here.
2014-05-25 05:06:11 AM  
1 votes:

accelerus: would I suddenly be "allowed" to use the N word like they do without fear of getting beaten up or killed? The double standard that exists there pisses me off


If you go up to your girlfriend at the bar and put your arm around here and say hey sweetie, that's okay. If I go up to your girlfriend at a bar and put my arm around her and say hey sweetie, that's not okay. It's about context. Black people using the n word is not a double standard, it's a standard. Of all the things you could have brought up to discuss you pick this? You're not a victim because you can't say a word. Get over that, quickly. We've got a hundred issues a thousand times more important to discuss.
2014-05-25 04:44:22 AM  
1 votes:

Big Ramifications: Boojum2k: Big Ramifications: eat da poo poo

It's somewhat sad, but also typical of Fark (or anywhere on the internet, for that matter), that this was not actually the worst or dumbest comment in the thread.

Your comment literally made me LOL.

I smile a lot reading Fark, I rarely LOL. Cheers!


Thanks! Heck, I didn't even know where it came from until the later comments. It just seemed so typically Fark, a completely random statement in the middle of a long thread. Finding the source just made it better.
2014-05-25 04:12:31 AM  
1 votes:

Big Ramifications: eat da poo poo


It's somewhat sad, but also typical of Fark (or anywhere on the internet, for that matter), that this was not actually the worst or dumbest comment in the thread.
2014-05-25 03:48:31 AM  
1 votes:

Befuddled: If they want some form of reparations, then they should be asking for parity in education and opportunity so that poor people have something close to an equal chance of succeeding.


And wouldn't it be weird if that were exactly the type of thing the author was calling for?
2014-05-25 03:14:06 AM  
1 votes:
img.fark.net
Bears repeating amidst this nerd rage.
2014-05-25 02:53:54 AM  
1 votes:

Babwa Wawa: I Browse:

Poser.  I know what you look like.

[i.imgur.com image 477x357]



You got me. My secret is out. Now...let me tell you what your cousin Jeffrey has been up to!
2014-05-25 02:36:35 AM  
1 votes:
Babwa Wawa:

Oh wow.  You realize that you're not doing your alma mater any favors with ignorant, racist posts like this, right?


As a black OU grad, I want to give my fellow bobcat the benefit of the doubt and assume it was just a joke and that he's not foolish enough to actually think like that. So that's what I'm going with.
2014-05-25 02:24:10 AM  
1 votes:

Waldo Pepper: Rincewind53: Waldo Pepper: BlueDWarrior: Those quotes to me speak to one of the problems today. Black Wealth right now is being generated in mostly the entertainment pursuits because that is one of the few areas that we can have complete agency over. Two of the more celebrated instances of black wealth, Oprah Winfrey and Ervin Johnson got their money to start with by being entertainers (yes I lump pro athletes in with entertainers).

It has been notoriously difficult for Blacks to generate wealth by other means because we have to start from zero. And then we have to fight with everyone else that might already have in-roads to the marketplace just because of where they started at.

Eventually we as a people will get there, it's just that we are starting from really far behind.

Why does every black person think that whites have in-roads to the marketplace because of where they started?  I will agree that those in lets us the term "Planter class" have the in-roads and that class isn't just white folks anymore.  Those who have the money and power want to keep it within their little group and regardless of the color of your skin it is a hard place to get in.

Again, you are incorrect. This has been studied by actual scientists, not just using anecdotes. A black person with no criminal background has roughly the same chance of being hired as a white felon. The idea that black people get hired more than white people for the same job is patently false and demonstrably untrue.

you can have your studies, i prefer real world where I did the hiring and a lot of entry level jobs and also skilled mechanical jobs also some management jobs. I can assure you that a black person with no criminal background had a much greater chance at being hired than a white felon. the funny thing about the majority of customers is that they don't care what race, color, religion the person behind the counter is as long as that employee is professional, knowledgeable and friendly.


Are we really dismissing wide-scale, scientifically done studies in favor of limited personal experience and anecdotes?
Because it really sounds like that to me.
2014-05-25 01:48:58 AM  
1 votes:

trappedspirit: Nice touch.  Is this how people who can understand and appreciate this type of article act?  Then I say, no thank you, kind sir.  If overbearing judgmental sanctimonious pricks are the type attracted to this article's content, I must say, nay.  Nay I say.


"I dunno what it is, but if he's fer it... I'm agin' it!!!"
2014-05-25 01:44:19 AM  
1 votes:
There is no racism in this country.

So say a bunch of class-dominant white people.
2014-05-25 01:36:57 AM  
1 votes:

poot_rootbeer: Waldo Pepper: poot_rootbeer: Waldo, what race do you self-identify as?

American


No, seriously.  What color are you?

I'm white, and that's relevant to everything that's happened to me in my life.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4f9zR5yzY&feature=kp
2014-05-25 01:31:36 AM  
1 votes:

Babwa Wawa: Boojum2k: A large part of it comes from people either afraid of or fatigued by the racism claim.

This is why people need to RTFA.  For those fatigued (white) Americans, it's an eye-opener.


Give it up, Babs - nobody is going to read that article.Especially not the people who are really pissed off about it.
2014-05-25 01:30:36 AM  
1 votes:

Jackson Herring: i apologize in advance to fark server admins for potentially crashing the machine that handles my ignore list


See?  We're not that different!  You add people to your ignore list and I add stupid ideas like reparations to mine.

We're all the same, really!
2014-05-25 01:16:07 AM  
1 votes:

ox45tallboy: No Such Agency: vernonFL: [www.normanadams.org image 850x540]

Norman Rockwell could paint corny wholesome Americana with the best of them, but when he laid down the hammer, he farking laid it down.  That painting, as stylized and as intentionally string-pulling as it is, gives me the chills every single time.

I like this pic:

[www.eurweb.com image 850x566]

The woman Obama is talking to is Ruby Bridges, the little girl in the painting.

They're viewing the painting in the White House.


That's pretty cool. I like this one:
i.imgur.com
2014-05-25 01:13:34 AM  
1 votes:
So, let me get this straight. This thread basically boils down to this:

Farker1:  You're a doodie head!
Farker2:  No, you're a doodie head!
Babwa Wawa:  YOU DIDN'T READ THE ARTICLE!WARGARBL!

Am I close?
2014-05-25 01:08:46 AM  
1 votes:

Nemo's Brother: Why have blacks lagged so far behind Asians, the Irish, Latinos and every other single minority that was poorly mistreated at one point in time in our country?


That is the question.
It is answered in the article referred to here.
Please read it.
2014-05-25 01:05:54 AM  
1 votes:
I did nothing wrong

except for every single "post" you've ever made on fark dot com
2014-05-25 12:50:53 AM  
1 votes:

eljasbo: Isn't affirmative action the reparations? That is in itself it's own form of racism.


Alex, I'll take "How to drive a wedge" for 200
2014-05-25 12:37:41 AM  
1 votes:
We probably shouldn't pay any money to the descendants of slave owners.  That would mean a whole lot of blacks would not get reparations.  We should probably make them pay back society since their ancestors were rapists.
2014-05-25 12:36:20 AM  
1 votes:

Miss Alexandra: Never mind that blacks owned slaves too.  In fact the first slave owner in America was--wait for it!--black!  http://topconservativenews.com/2012/03/americas-first-slave-owner-was - a-black-man/

What about Arabs involved in the slave trade?  Why aren't the race hustlers shaking them down?  (Maybe they're afraid that the Arabs will declare jihad?  Who knows....)

How about the fact that slavery still goes on in Africa even today?

You can take that white guilt, shine it up, turn it sideways (I think you know the rest)....

As far as I'm concerned, blacks have already gotten reparations.  It's known as Section 8, welfare, and various other kinds of freebies.

Victimhood is an industry nowadays, it seems....


White people didn't invent slavery, but they did invent freedom.
2014-05-25 12:31:02 AM  
1 votes:
Yeah, even after 250 years of slavery we went straight on with being racially divided assholes. But not just to blacks.

But look up, my ebony opposites, the monied powers have come to rig the system to suck economic producivity from us white people as well.
2014-05-25 12:29:44 AM  
1 votes:
phenn: Would a black member of Fark care to chime in here? I'd be appreciative of your take.


Okay, I'll give it a shot.

As I read through the thread, I see that most people here are hung up on the slavery aspect of the story. That's understandable I guess, because the reparations arguments of the past have almost always centered on redress for slave labor. But the article (which I read yesterday) spends very little time on slavery. Hell, it doesn't even dwell on the Jim Crow south. Coates spends the vast majority of the article talking about how we were systematically, legally, and intentionally locked out of the American dream long after slavery was abolished, and he uses Chicago as a case study.

As a black person, do I want reparations? Nope. Not because I think it's a silly idea. But because I think it's the easy way out. I don't want the U.S. government writing a bunch of checks and then saying "Okay, we good now?" It completely oversimplifies the issue.

What the author is advocating in this article (if I read it correctly, and I believe I did) is not really financial reparations, but rather, acknowledgment and introspection. And on that point, I agree wholeheartedly. If America was ready to have an honest conversation about what has been done to black people in this country beyond slavery...then we wouldn't have people asking stupid questions like "Why can't blacks get their shiat together?" "Why can immigrants come here and succeed but blacks can't?" "Why are the blacks always complaining?"

Btw...for those who simply refuse to read the article, I can sum it up for you right here:

www.leftycartoons.com
2014-05-25 12:26:35 AM  
1 votes:

Kittypie070: The damned issue NEEDS SIMPLY TO BE DISCUSSED FIRST.



No no no! You must first read the article!!

It's been mentioned here. Possibly more than once

/read the article
//farkers reading articles. Good one.
2014-05-25 12:20:11 AM  
1 votes:
Kyro:   I don't think we can buy our way out of this. This isn't a money problem. Sure the program-route has promise, but it's still attempting to apologize for beating the hell out of your kid by buying them an Xbox.

I'm personally of the opinion that we shouldn't be taking credit or blame for the actions of Americans 100+ years ago.


That there is a thoughtful response from someone who has read the piece.
2014-05-25 12:01:30 AM  
1 votes:

phenn: You might wish to read a history book there, kitty cat.


You might wish to read a newspaper.

/or blog, or whatever the modern medium for chronicling contemporary events is
2014-05-24 11:44:59 PM  
1 votes:
That was indeed an interesting and well written article.  But since this is Fark and it involves race, so much this:

i.imgur.com
2014-05-24 11:43:55 PM  
1 votes:

vernonFL: OgreMagi: Fark your white guilt. I did nothing wrong and I'll be damned if I am forced to pay penance for something I did not do.

You, your parents, your grandparents, got better treatment and benefited from racism.

You as a person and your friends and family are where they are today in part because of institutional racism.

You did nothing wrong, but you were born into and grew up in and now live in a system that is skewed in your favor.


So obviously you must be punished.
2014-05-24 11:41:37 PM  
1 votes:

Yogimus: Give me the name of your ancestor that was a slave.


Jefferson.
2014-05-24 11:37:18 PM  
1 votes:
Would a black member of Fark care to chime in here? I'd be appreciative of your take.
2014-05-24 11:36:32 PM  
1 votes:

Rincewind53: He also makes powerful points against those who say "But my family only came here in 1900!" Those people are perfectly happy to talk about how awesome George Washington was, how important the Declaration of Rights is, and are happy to take credit for  that aspect of being American. But they refuse to accept any responsibility for any negative aspect of the American experience. T-NC writes of this: "To celebrate freedom and democracy while forgetting America's origins in a slavery economy is patriotism à la carte."


If that's a "powerful point" then the article must be pretty weak. Why should someone (like me) who comes from post-slavery immigrants accept responsibility? I had nothing to do with it. And, should the descendants of black slave-owners pay restitution? What about those who had some ancestors who were slaves and some who were slave owners... should they pay themselves? Heck, let's just tax straight, white males (to cover gender and sexual orientation reparations while we're at it) and call it a day.
2014-05-24 11:36:23 PM  
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Phinn: Any person who was enslaved should be awarded restitution from the person who violated his rights.

Does anyone here know anyone like that?


I'll take that a step further.  While I don't believe any of my American ancestors owned slaves, I can't say for certain.  So I will personally give $1000 to anyone who was held as a slave by on of my ancestors.  I do not think anyone should be punished for "sins of their father", but I'm willing to extend an olive branch here.
2014-05-24 11:35:47 PM  
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I would be very concerned about that if I was stabbing any black people.
2014-05-24 11:35:29 PM  
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You could do a soft reparation system with the following policies:

Expanded food stamps program
Increased money for public schools
Increased taxation on property (guess who doesn't have property post 2008 sub-prime crisis)
Subsidies to labor bargaining power through strengthening the legal position of unions (mostly make them easier to form)
More direct hiring by government with an eye towards poorer black ladies (notice who works at the DMV and social security offices)
Rebuild affirmative action through the nominally racially neutral standard of poverty (which in this country is obviously not racially neutral)
Weaken anti drug laws and start commuting sentences in accordance with reduced penalties
2014-05-24 11:33:45 PM  
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Babwa Wawa: Ah, yes. Directly addressed in the article.

I'm sensing a trend here. People don't want to sit down and read something that can't be consumed in less than 60 seconds, yet feel compelled to offer an opinion.


www.american-buddha.com

"Sit down, my son.   We don't read most of the articles. Do you really know what that would entail ... if we were to read every article that was posted on Fark?
2014-05-24 11:24:18 PM  
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2.bp.blogspot.com
Reparations were paid 150 years ago, Quit yer whining.
2014-05-24 11:23:51 PM  
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Dusk-You-n-Me: This article moves the discussion forward on we as a country atone for our racial sins -- not just of the past, but also the ones we are committing today.


Who's "we," crazy cracker?
2014-05-24 11:23:32 PM  
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Dusk-You-n-Me: Abox: My family didn't come here til around 1900 so don't blame me.

You're not to blame. But that's not the point. America is to blame. This article moves the discussion forward on we as a country atone for our racial sins -- not just of the past, but also the ones we are committing today.


I'm not racially sinning today either so leave me out of it.
2014-05-24 11:20:25 PM  
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Babwa Wawa: People don't want to sit down and read something that can't be consumed in less than 60 seconds, yet feel compelled to offer an opinion.


Well, in their defense, I've written book reports on shorter Steinbeck novels.
2014-05-24 11:19:21 PM  
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My family didn't come here til around 1900 so don't blame me.
2014-05-24 11:17:48 PM  
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Yogimus: Give me the name of your ancestor that was a slave.


Again, RTFA. Oppression against blacks did not stop in 1865. It continues to this day.
2014-05-24 11:14:43 PM  
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IlGreven: itcamefromschenectady: Do Jews deserve money because of the Holocaust, if they didn't personally live through it?

...they got an entire country. What have blacks gotten other than centuries of oppression?


An entire country. See "Liberia".
2014-05-24 11:12:44 PM  
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Barack Obama would pay reparations to himself?
2014-05-24 11:12:06 PM  
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I'm all for reparations.

Anybody who's not happy here should renounce their citizenship and receive free plane ticket back to the county of their birth and $1,000 in cash.
2014-05-24 11:09:41 PM  
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A neighbor who opposed the family said that Bill Myers was "probably a nice guy, but every time I look at him I see $2,000 drop off the value of my house."

It's funny: you still see people using other people's bigotry to justify their own. "We can't let gays adopt kids because they'll get bullied for having gay parents!"
2014-05-24 11:05:13 PM  
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itcamefromschenectady: Do Jews deserve money because of the Holocaust, if they didn't personally live through it?


...they got an entire country. What have blacks gotten other than centuries of oppression?
2014-05-23 08:31:22 AM  
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itcamefromschenectady: Do Jews deserve money because of the Holocaust, if they didn't personally live through it?


You might want to go back to high school history class and re-read the chapter covering 1947-1948.
2014-05-22 07:04:25 PM  
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Do Jews deserve money because of the Holocaust, if they didn't personally live through it?
 
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