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2014-05-22 10:04:45 AM
So if I got rid of my fat it wouldn't make me fat any more? Why didn't I think of that before?
 
2014-05-22 10:56:39 AM
Damn you fat!
 
2014-05-22 10:57:46 AM
"Damn you, fat!" I should have said.

Or maybe, "Damn, you fat!"
 
2014-05-22 11:06:48 AM
So what constitutes "rapidly digestible carbohydrates" and what constitutes "slowly digestible carbohydrates"?
 
2014-05-22 11:44:02 AM

InterruptingQuirk: So what constitutes "rapidly digestible carbohydrates" and what constitutes "slowly digestible carbohydrates"?


I was wondering the same thing...a bit of Googling revealed this:

Glycemic index, GI, is calculated based on how quickly carbohydrates in food lead to an elevation of your blood sugar.

Foods with a high glycemic index include processed carbohydrates such as breads, cereals, sugars, fruits and some starchy vegetables.

Foods with a low glycemic index are considered slow carbs, which include most vegetables, whole grains, seeds, nuts, beans, peas and legumes.


Source:  http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/different-between-fast-carbs-slow-car b s-2306.html

Sounds like yet another thing that would need to be added to food labels, especially with 'whole grain' foods which aren't always wholly whole grains.
 
2014-05-22 11:44:48 AM

flucto: So if I got rid of my fat it wouldn't make me fat any more? Why didn't I think of that before?


No, that's not quite what it's saying.  Because temporary decreases in body fat tend to disappear.  For all the reasons cited in the article.

The big differences from 50 years ago are still carbs and more sedentary work.
 
2014-05-22 11:45:06 AM
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2014-05-22 11:47:18 AM
Just eat like a farking human and move your body some every day.
 
2014-05-22 11:47:34 AM

InterruptingQuirk: So what constitutes "rapidly digestible carbohydrates" and what constitutes "slowly digestible carbohydrates"?


Category 1: Sugars and starches(rice, corn, potato, flour, deserts, some fruit)
Category 2: Fiber mostly (leafy vegtables, some fruit, some whole grains)
 
2014-05-22 11:48:16 AM
No where in TFA did it say to get off your couch and try to wear out those running shoes you bought last year.
 
2014-05-22 11:49:30 AM

Bareefer Obonghit: Just eat like a farking human and move your body some every day.


Simple, obvious, and wrong.
 
2014-05-22 11:52:38 AM
Longest, most boring article ever which focuses too little on exercise in the discussion of metabolism. Of course, exercise probably isnt a factor to most Americans anyway. :(
 
2014-05-22 11:53:51 AM
img.fark.net

WTF is this supposed to be?
 
2014-05-22 11:55:25 AM

elysive: Longest, most boring article ever which focuses too little on exercise in the discussion of metabolism. Of course, exercise probably isnt a factor to most Americans anyway. :(


Exercise is tricky, because it comes in several forms, which interact with each other and diet.  Cardio isn't associated with substantial gains in metabolism, and tends to have a low payoff rate in calories compared to dieting.  But in spite of that it's much more important than muscle mass for overall health.
 
2014-05-22 11:56:03 AM

Marquis de Sod: [img.fark.net image 495x694]

WTF is this supposed to be?


delicious!
 
2014-05-22 11:57:48 AM

ikanreed: Cardio isn't associated with substantial gains in metabolism, and tends to have a low payoff rate in calories compared to dieting.


Can't stress that enough.  It's easier to not eat that donut than it is to burn it off.
 
2014-05-22 11:57:51 AM

ikanreed: InterruptingQuirk: So what constitutes "rapidly digestible carbohydrates" and what constitutes "slowly digestible carbohydrates"?

Category 1: Sugars and starches(rice, corn, potato, flour, deserts, some fruit)
Category 2: Fiber mostly (leafy vegtables, some fruit, some whole grains)


Fiber isn't "slowly digestible" - it's indigestible, period. Seems to me the distinction is more between processed foods and mostly unprocessed foods, although the line is blurry.
 
2014-05-22 11:59:54 AM

Arkanaut: ikanreed: InterruptingQuirk: So what constitutes "rapidly digestible carbohydrates" and what constitutes "slowly digestible carbohydrates"?

Category 1: Sugars and starches(rice, corn, potato, flour, deserts, some fruit)
Category 2: Fiber mostly (leafy vegtables, some fruit, some whole grains)

Fiber isn't "slowly digestible" - it's indigestible, period. Seems to me the distinction is more between processed foods and mostly unprocessed foods, although the line is blurry.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietary_fiber What you have said is a gross oversimplification.
 
2014-05-22 12:01:08 PM

Marquis de Sod: [img.fark.net image 495x694]

WTF is this supposed to be?


It's a dryburger.
 
2014-05-22 12:01:17 PM

ikanreed: Bareefer Obonghit: Just eat like a farking human and move your body some every day.

Simple, obvious, and wrong.


are you talking about your response?

You sound fat.
 
2014-05-22 12:01:58 PM

Marquis de Sod: [img.fark.net image 495x694]

WTF is this supposed to be?


A guaranteed way to get you to drink eight glasses of water.
 
2014-05-22 12:03:48 PM

ikanreed: Bareefer Obonghit: Just eat like a farking human and move your body some every day.

Simple, obvious, and wrong.


It's not wrong. Well, wrong if you are fixated on the scale, but right if you want to look good and have improved body composition. As an adult I wore my high school clothes even though I was 20 lb heavier because I exercised (plus I looked better because I wasnt starving myself and puking like I did in HS). Now I am at my HS weight and wear two sizes smaller. I know that's anecdotal. Exercise isnt known for helping people lose inches around their waists or anything.

Of course people cant exercise off a terrible diet, but exercise makes your body more shapely, keeps the weight off and and helps stave off disease. Terrible thing that is.

/I know you were getting at the "just diet and exercise is a myth" notion, but exercise does help people...it even makes fatties who arent losing weight look and feel better
 
2014-05-22 12:04:49 PM
What book is he selling?
 
2014-05-22 12:06:11 PM
Still, as the article does state:

"People in the modern food environment seem to have greater control over what they eat than how much."

I'd like to think that if life keeps me stuck in a desk chair all day, at least I can choose foods that won't make the problem suckier.

/not morbidly obese, just fat enough to be annoyed
 
2014-05-22 12:06:36 PM
This thread sounds fat.
 
2014-05-22 12:07:33 PM
Go be fat somewhere else.
 
2014-05-22 12:10:28 PM

ikanreed: elysive: Longest, most boring article ever which focuses too little on exercise in the discussion of metabolism. Of course, exercise probably isnt a factor to most Americans anyway. :(

Exercise is tricky, because it comes in several forms, which interact with each other and diet.  Cardio isn't associated with substantial gains in metabolism, and tends to have a low payoff rate in calories compared to dieting.  But in spite of that it's much more important than muscle mass for overall health.


I didnt make any claims about how it effects metabolism, which is complex, but ok. Anyway, all exercise even cardio is protective against muscle loss during weight loss due to calorie restriction which makes exercise essential to maintaining metabolism during dieting/weight loss. That even includes during those low carb diets.

I think that in recent story with those twins on low/high carb diets, the low carb/high protein diet guy lost a lot of muscle during his weight loss. :( Yipee, he may have looked like death after the diet but at least he lowered the numbers on the scale!
 
2014-05-22 12:10:52 PM

dready zim: are you talking about your response?

You sound fat.


That insult at the end?  That's actually a major point against the idea.  I get an hour of cardio per day, and I don't tend to get involved in junk foods.  Unsurprisingly, everyone who ever thinks it's "simple" is just idiots who haven't studied that problem or the elements involved.

You can control weight through diet, but it doesn't tend to last.    Exercise does help, it just depends a lot on what kind(surprise, it's not just cardio).  There are chemical elements that influence your behavior, and your imagined sense of your conscious mind being in total control is overinflated ego.  How much of your day your job keeps you on your ass is a gigantic deal.  The complexity of the carbs taken in make a huge difference.

There's... so much you're wrong about.  I wouldn't disguise the fact that I'm overweight, because I've also been not overweight, and in quite good shape.  I know exactly what changed.
 
2014-05-22 12:11:13 PM

strangeluck: This thread sounds fat.


I am fat and sassy

/sprays you with eye blood
 
2014-05-22 12:14:38 PM
According to this alternative view, factors in the environment have triggered fat cells in our bodies to take in and store excessive amounts of glucose and other calorie-rich compounds.

TFA misspells "carbohydrate".

Two and half years ago I cut out wheat, rice, sugar, spuds and rice, and added lots of dietary fat. Result? Lost 50 lbs an dropped from obese (BMI > 30) to normal weight (BMI 23). And I've kept the weight off.

/dietary fat turns off your appetite
//carbohydrates turn it on
///study it out
 
2014-05-22 12:15:43 PM

elchupacabra: Still, as the article does state:

"People in the modern food environment seem to have greater control over what they eat than how much."

I'd like to think that if life keeps me stuck in a desk chair all day, at least I can choose foods that won't make the problem suckier.

/not morbidly obese, just fat enough to be annoyed


Same here.

And I've lost a little weight recently.

The biggest thing I've found is to not always 100% abstain from eating something, because I'm going to give in eventually, and when I do, I binge on it, then feel like crap because I ate too much.  It's not always, but damn it's difficult at times.  Stress makes it worse too.

While zero donuts is best, one doughnut is better than more than one doughnut.
 
2014-05-22 12:16:43 PM
Keto eater here. fark carbs. Well, except beer.

/save my weekly carb allotment for beer
//not a fattie anymore
 
2014-05-22 12:24:26 PM

Stone Meadow: According to this alternative view, factors in the environment have triggered fat cells in our bodies to take in and store excessive amounts of glucose and other calorie-rich compounds.

TFA misspells "carbohydrate".

Two and half years ago I cut out wheat, rice, sugar, spuds and rice, and added lots of dietary fat. Result? Lost 50 lbs an dropped from obese (BMI > 30) to normal weight (BMI 23). And I've kept the weight off.

/dietary fat turns off your appetite
//carbohydrates turn it on
///study it out

You know protein and carbs are equally calorie rich or dense right? Fat is what has twice the calories per gram. What is special about sugar is that it is super easy to digest and store. But yes I tend to think consuming simple carbs too often messes with our hormones.

/whenever my glycogen stores are depleted, carbs are fair game here
 
2014-05-22 12:26:07 PM
Now we know why subby's mom is so fat.
 
2014-05-22 12:32:56 PM

NoGods: No where in TFA did it say to get off your couch and try to wear out those running shoes you bought last year.


Of course not. That would actually shift responsibility to the person trying to lose weight. Nothing is anybody's fault anymore ever.
 
2014-05-22 12:34:34 PM

elchupacabra: strangeluck: This thread sounds fat.

I am fat and sassy

/sprays you with eye blood


You forgot to scream first.

/lives in a giant bucket
 
2014-05-22 12:39:10 PM

ikanreed: elysive: Longest, most boring article ever which focuses too little on exercise in the discussion of metabolism. Of course, exercise probably isnt a factor to most Americans anyway. :(

Exercise is tricky, because it comes in several forms, which interact with each other and diet. Cardio isn't associated with substantial gains in metabolism, and tends to have a low payoff rate in calories compared to dieting. But in spite of that it's much more important than muscle mass for overall health.


Possible solution: Do both strength training and cardio, and eat a sensible diet.
 
2014-05-22 12:46:04 PM

Marquis de Sod: [img.fark.net image 495x694]

WTF is this supposed to be?


Its full of bunly goodness.
 
2014-05-22 12:49:43 PM
Losing weight, keeping it off and getting your "doctor numbers" right just does not have to be this complicated for the average person. Eat less overall, cook rather than eat out, stop snacking out of habit, swap the junk for better stuff, move your ass twice as much as before. SIMPLE. The fat comes off, stays off, you feel better and you get healthier.
 
2014-05-22 12:50:06 PM

sigdiamond2000: Possible solution: Do both strength training and cardio, and eat a sensible diet.


Yeah, there absolutely are good personal solutions.  I'm just against anyone who goes "It's simple" because it tends to ignore how nutrition actually works.
 
2014-05-22 12:58:46 PM

ikanreed: Cardio isn't associated with substantial gains in metabolism, and tends to have a low payoff rate in calories compared to dieting.


I recently read that weight loss is about 80% diet and 20% exercise.  I don't know if it is true.  When I want to lose weight an hour bike ride will occupy me for an hour so I am not tempted to graze in the frig plus I have no appetite after I get back.
 
2014-05-22 01:07:38 PM

Marquis de Sod: WTF is this supposed to be?


Yo, dawg, we heard you like carbs...
 
2014-05-22 01:09:32 PM

Marquis de Sod: [img.fark.net image 495x694]

WTF is this supposed to be?


what is the spongy looking thing repeated three and seven levels up from the bottom?
 
2014-05-22 01:33:31 PM

frontwheeldriver: Marquis de Sod: [img.fark.net image 495x694]

WTF is this supposed to be?

what is the spongy looking thing repeated three and seven levels up from the bottom?


Rice cake?
 
2014-05-22 01:57:18 PM
Subby said "fat" thrice
 
2014-05-22 02:01:56 PM
Eat more fat (animal, plus some vegetable sources, like coconut oil and avocados). For most people, it will satiate hunger, and is a far better choice than grains, sugars, etc. Eat vegetables to go with the fat, and some protein. Easy, tasty, done.
 
2014-05-22 02:10:35 PM
people eat too much sugar/sweet foods and don't walk enough

get an outdoor hobby and start enjoying foods that don't rely on additives to taste good and you'll be a lot healthier
 
2014-05-22 02:24:09 PM

ikanreed: sigdiamond2000: Possible solution: Do both strength training and cardio, and eat a sensible diet.

Yeah, there absolutely are good personal solutions.  I'm just against anyone who goes "It's simple" because it tends to ignore how nutrition actually works.


it's not that complicated either. A below average person in intelleigence could figure it out if they wanted to,
 
2014-05-22 02:25:29 PM

Muta: ikanreed: Cardio isn't associated with substantial gains in metabolism, and tends to have a low payoff rate in calories compared to dieting.

I recently read that weight loss is about 80% diet and 20% exercise.  I don't know if it is true.  When I want to lose weight an hour bike ride will occupy me for an hour so I am not tempted to graze in the frig plus I have no appetite after I get back.


Huh.
 
2014-05-22 02:32:03 PM

Marquis de Sod: [img.fark.net image 495x694]

WTF is this supposed to be?


Fifty Shades of Brown?
 
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