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(The Week UK)   Far-right French politician Jean-Marie Le Pen says France's immigration issues could be solved "in three months" by an Ebola epidemic in Africa   ( theweek.co.uk) divider line
    More: Dumbass, Marine Le Pen, Politics of France, ebola, Ebola epidemic, Nigel Farage, UKIP, Guinea, Le Monde  
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2014-05-22 08:54:35 AM  
I did Model UN in high school and one year we were presented with working the AIDs epidemic in Africa.  My friends and I messed around and put way too much effort into graphs, charts, and models that proposed  sinking Africa into the ocean to freeing ourselves of the guilt and responsibility.  It was not well received.

It is frightening to see a real politician follow down the same path we traveled.
 
2014-05-22 08:57:42 AM  
His daughter runs the party now and she sounds less racist than he does but it is clearly a matter of better self-censoring. Both of them are scum.
 
2014-05-22 09:00:38 AM  
France's immigration problem could also be solved by dropping the entire Front Nationale into Africa and infecting them with the Ebola virus.
 
2014-05-22 09:10:48 AM  
WWCD?


(what would Charlemagne do?)
 
2014-05-22 09:12:20 AM  
Wow, now that's a conservative I can look up to. I might actually start calling them French Fries again.
 
2014-05-22 09:12:33 AM  
So they are going to fly Le Pen out to a Ebola outbreak in Africa? Well done France.
 
2014-05-22 09:13:21 AM  
Tell it to la Marine.
 
2014-05-22 09:14:53 AM  
I think that would probably be more likely to cause a massive influx of immigrants.
 
2014-05-22 09:16:43 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: I think that would probably be more likely to cause a massive influx of immigrants.


Not if they were to build some kind of camp in Africa, you know, where those potential immigrants can be concentrated.
 
hej [TotalFark]
2014-05-22 09:16:59 AM  
But Mexicans don't even come from Africa??
 
2014-05-22 09:17:44 AM  
la condi hu
 
2014-05-22 09:19:01 AM  
what is far right in France like the most leftist democrat?
 
2014-05-22 09:20:13 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-05-22 09:20:56 AM  

gopher321: WWCD?


(what would Charlemagne do?)


break up his empire by dividing it amongst his sons?
 
2014-05-22 09:21:37 AM  
So get some bright folks working on a way to weaponize Ebola.
There couldn't be any negative unintended consequences from that.
 
2014-05-22 09:21:54 AM  

bwilson27: [img.fark.net image 400x238]


LAAATRIIIIIINEEEE!!!
 
2014-05-22 09:28:44 AM  

give me doughnuts: So get some bright folks working on a way to weaponize Ebola.
There couldn't be any negative unintended consequences from that.


We already have been working on that for decades. The only confirmed death was a scientist who stuck himself with a needle by accident. Of course searching for incidents will reveal millions upon millions of conspiracy sites. Weaponised Ebola is like the Viagra of conspiracy sites. Every damn where.
 
2014-05-22 09:31:59 AM  
I find it welcoming that the US no longer has a monopoly on racist neo-nazis and klansmen.

Mind you, those ideas spreading to the UK and France don't make the world any better, it's just nice that it isn't only our fault anymore.
 
2014-05-22 09:32:35 AM  

Karac: I find it welcoming that the US no longer has a monopoly on racist neo-nazis and klansmen.

Mind you, those ideas spreading to the UK and France don't make the world any better, it's just nice that it isn't only our fault anymore.


uh
 
2014-05-22 09:34:16 AM  

Karac: I find it welcoming that the US no longer has a monopoly on racist neo-nazis and klansmen.

Mind you, those ideas spreading to the UK and France don't make the world any better, it's just nice that it isn't only our fault anymore.


Are you sure you were fulling briefed on the goings on of neo-nazism globally?
 
2014-05-22 09:34:56 AM  

Karac: I find it welcoming that the US no longer has a monopoly on racist neo-nazis and klansmen.

Mind you, those ideas spreading to the UK and France don't make the world any better, it's just nice that it isn't only our fault anymore.


Former colonialist powers aren't exactly strangers to insane levels of racism.
 
2014-05-22 09:38:44 AM  
Generally we don't hear about the insane racists in other countries (from an American perspective) because they are too marginalized in those countries to penetrate the news aether outside of said country.

But don't doubt that far-right racist whackjobs aren't everywhere.
(You can really see them in very poor countries when we tend to call them international terrorists...)
 
2014-05-22 09:39:44 AM  

Gunny Highway: I did Model UN in high school and one year we were presented with working the AIDs epidemic in Africa.  My friends and I messed around and put way too much effort into graphs, charts, and models that proposed  sinking Africa into the ocean to freeing ourselves of the guilt and responsibility.  It was not well received.


A bunch of my high school friends got Libya in the Model UN back in the early 80s, and all went to the
general assembly meeting in Ray Bans, Kafias and carrying toy M-16s.

The reaction was also less than amicable.
 
2014-05-22 09:42:11 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: Gunny Highway: I did Model UN in high school and one year we were presented with working the AIDs epidemic in Africa.  My friends and I messed around and put way too much effort into graphs, charts, and models that proposed  sinking Africa into the ocean to freeing ourselves of the guilt and responsibility.  It was not well received.

A bunch of my high school friends got Libya in the Model UN back in the early 80s, and all went to the
general assembly meeting in Ray Bans, Kafias and carrying toy M-16s.

The reaction was also less than amicable.


I woudl be mad too, they shoudl have had AK's...


Karac: I find it welcoming that the US no longer has a monopoly on racist neo-nazis and klansmen.

Mind you, those ideas spreading to the UK and France don't make the world any better, it's just nice that it isn't only our fault anymore.


You do realize they have always been there, right?
 
2014-05-22 09:42:23 AM  
France, especially the southern part has a really farked up attitude towards northern african immigrants.

This is all secondhand from a friend who lived in Marseille for a year, but...

On the one hand, african immigrants are a major source of violent crime.

On the other hand, French employers will hire immigrants, tell them to come around at the end of the month for their pay, and the next day said immigrant's body will be found floating in the harbor. The police won't investigate because they hate the immigrants too.

So there really isn't anyone to root for here.
 
2014-05-22 09:54:00 AM  
Le Pen is Mightier?

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2014-05-22 09:54:53 AM  

Karac: I find it welcoming that the US no longer has a monopoly on racist neo-nazis and klansmen.

Mind you, those ideas spreading to the UK and France don't make the world any better, it's just nice that it isn't only our fault anymore.


You're normally pretty clear-eyed about politics, so this seems strangely naïve. What gives?
 
2014-05-22 09:55:30 AM  
he's now the front runner for the GOP nomination for President in 2016.
 
2014-05-22 09:57:40 AM  

Gunny Highway: I did Model UN in high school and one year we were presented with working the AIDs epidemic in Africa.  My friends and I messed around and put way too much effort into graphs, charts, and models that proposed  sinking Africa into the ocean to freeing ourselves of the guilt and responsibility.  It was not well received.

It is frightening to see a real politician follow down the same path we traveled.


Can't remember the name of it for the life of me, but I went to a leadership conference about 10 years ago where each group had to essentially make up a presidential administration and respond to a foreign policy crisis (in this case, a group of American tourists going missing in a FARC-controlled portion of Colombia with reports they have been taken hostage) and devise and implement a policy to react to that. We were the only group that actually went the non-violent route: advocated ways to freeze funds and more heavily disrupt the cocaine trade to attempt to damage the terrorists while the other 9 or so groups decided "we need to demand release of the prisoners and deploy the bombers to show we mean business." The exercise of course ended with the latest report being "oops, turned out the tourists just got lost; they're out now, and FARC had nothing to do with it."
/Cue FARC/FARK jokes here.
//I was Press Secretary; spent more time answering questions on a recent salmonella outbreak than anything else since we waited until we had more firm reports before notifying the press about the supposed kidnapping
///We almost did end up going forward with a military strike for the dumbest reason: my roommate was pissed he came all the way to the event and got the USSOUTHCOM post and then didn't get to do anything, so he tried to order a missile strike on his own. We found out before it happened and called it off.
 
2014-05-22 09:59:03 AM  

LarryDan43: Wow, now that's a conservative I can look up to. I might actually start calling them French Fries again.


You know, they are for a better control of banks, for the limitation of the powers of entreprises on the economy, etc...
They've got a kind of mixture of nationalism and socialism in their program.
Wait.
Nationalist.
Socialist.

National Socialist !
Hey, it's got a nice ring to it. Now if we could shorten it a little...
 
2014-05-22 09:59:46 AM  
The popularity of far-right, xenophobic demagoguery has forced me to consider the very real possibility that the "final solution" may have been only  a precursor to many other genocides in modern Western culture. How many Endlösungen will we tolerate? Tell me you can't see the American far-right nuts (Cliven Bundy types) implementing such a "solution" for, I dunno, Mexicans, "Negroes" and people of all races who have teh ghey?
 
2014-05-22 10:00:15 AM  

Karac: I find it welcoming that the US no longer has a monopoly on racist neo-nazis and klansmen.

Mind you, those ideas spreading to the UK and France don't make the world any better, it's just nice that it isn't only our fault anymore.


That is by far the most naive comment I've seen in months.  Good job.
 
2014-05-22 10:03:47 AM  

liam76: Karac: I find it welcoming that the US no longer has a monopoly on racist neo-nazis and klansmen.

Mind you, those ideas spreading to the UK and France don't make the world any better, it's just nice that it isn't only our fault anymore.

You do realize they have always been there, right?


How often were they getting elected as members of the EU parliament?
 
2014-05-22 10:04:51 AM  
I'm fairly sure that an Ebola epidemic in Africa would lead to more people leaving Africa, not fewer.
 
2014-05-22 10:08:07 AM  

Karac: liam76: Karac: I find it welcoming that the US no longer has a monopoly on racist neo-nazis and klansmen.

Mind you, those ideas spreading to the UK and France don't make the world any better, it's just nice that it isn't only our fault anymore.

You do realize they have always been there, right?

How often were they getting elected as members of the EU parliament?


forever
 
2014-05-22 10:08:43 AM  

Gunny Highway: I did Model UN in high school and one year we were presented with working the AIDs epidemic in Africa.  My friends and I messed around and put way too much effort into graphs, charts, and models that proposed  sinking Africa into the ocean to freeing ourselves of the guilt and responsibility.  It was not well received.

It is frightening to see a real politician follow down the same path we traveled.


Taking society as a system, does it not make sense to free yourselves of the biggest burdens and the weakest members? The system as a whole is improved in strength by not funneling off resources to the weakest parts.  To move forward, you have to become more efficient, and that means letting go of less productive parts.
 
2014-05-22 10:08:57 AM  

Karac: I find it welcoming that the US no longer has a monopoly on racist neo-nazis and klansmen.

Mind you, those ideas spreading to the UK and France don't make the world any better, it's just nice that it isn't only our fault anymore.


I'm French, and trust me, we really don't need Americans to get our own flavor of Far Right. The National Front has always been here, but lately, it's really gained traction, especially because Marine Le Pen always succeeded in making the FN respectable (although this is always spoiled from time to time by revelations that yes, there are still batshiat crazy neonazis in here).

The future success of the FN in the next elections is also heightened by the fact that European Elections are mostly considered as "bullshiat elections" that are of no consequence of any sort. So a lot of votes are actually protest vote. Keep in mind that at the last one in 2009, when Sarkozy was president and very unpopular, the FN had about 7%, and the Ecologists 17%.
 
2014-05-22 10:10:24 AM  

hej: But Mexicans don't even come from Africa??


They are brown and poor aren't they?
 
2014-05-22 10:10:34 AM  
WTF France. Don't tell me you've gone Teabaggy on us too!
 
2014-05-22 10:11:20 AM  

Gunny Highway: I did Model UN in high school and one year we were presented with working the AIDs epidemic in Africa.  My friends and I messed around and put way too much effort into graphs, charts, and models that proposed  sinking Africa into the ocean to freeing ourselves of the guilt and responsibility.  It was not well received.

It is frightening to see a real politician follow down the same path we traveled.


When I was Speaker of high school Congress, one of the bills I received was "put all the people with AIDS on an island and nuke it."  I did not bring the bill to the floor.
 
2014-05-22 10:12:03 AM  

Grungehamster: Can't remember the name of it for the life of me


Doubt anyone cares, but I found it:  National Youth Leadership Forum (NYLF): Careers in National Security - Diplomacy, Intelligence & Defense.
 
2014-05-22 10:13:28 AM  

qorkfiend: I'm fairly sure that an Ebola epidemic in Africa would lead to more people leaving Africa, not fewer.


Not if we shoot down any airliners leaving Africa, put up a fence at the Suez canal, and just have gunships patrolling the north coast and shooting anything that tries crossing into the Mediterranean.

/I jest
//But I bet people who do not have seriously looked into getting this done.
 
2014-05-22 10:14:12 AM  
Wait wait...Jean Marie is a GUY???
 
2014-05-22 10:15:17 AM  

TV's Vinnie: WTF France. Don't tell me you've gone Teabaggy on us too!


France has always had teabaggers.  They ran France from 1940 to 1945.
 
2014-05-22 10:18:15 AM  

Combustion: Wait wait...Jean Marie is a GUY???


It's the French version of naming your son "Sue".
 
2014-05-22 10:20:49 AM  

Arkanaut: HotWingConspiracy: I think that would probably be more likely to cause a massive influx of immigrants.

Not if they were to build some kind of camp in Africa, you know, where those potential immigrants can be concentrated.


Le Pen didn't even believe in concentration camps. And wanted to make it law to ban anything saying that Nazis persecuted the Jews.

He's THAT kind of crazy racist.
 
2014-05-22 10:21:13 AM  

padraig: The future success of the FN in the next elections is also heightened by the fact that European Elections are mostly considered as "bullshiat elections" that are of no consequence of any sort. So a lot of votes are actually protest vote. Keep in mind that at the last one in 2009, when Sarkozy was president and very unpopular, the FN had about 7%, and the Ecologists 17%.


Yeah, in the UK EU elections are generally regarded as inconsequential, and an ideal place to "protest vote" for minor parties to try to send a message to the major parties. Which is kind of bizarre given the EU elections are a kind of PR, so protest votes actually make a difference and cause people from those minor parties to gain power. It is especially odd for parties like UKIP to get lots of votes/seats in EU elections, given they want the EU to fail, so basically people are electing those who have the incentive to make the EU dysfunctional. But then they don't vote for UKIP in general elections where they would actually have some power to try and push for leaving the EU.


So it is almost like these people still want to be in the EU, but have it suck, but only so they have something else to complain about.
 
2014-05-22 10:21:48 AM  

TV's Vinnie: WTF France. Don't tell me you've gone Teabaggy on us too!


Unfortunately yes, but the FN are not the Teabagger. They are you run-of-the-mill far-right politicians.

The Teabagger equivalent would be the "Manif pour tous", who got organised as a protest against the legalization of gay marriage. They failed, but they realized that they had a great capability for mobilization on social issues. The ones on the non-far-right, i.e. Sarkozy's UMP, eyed them with appetite, as they saw that they could earn some easy votes by pandering to them. It already backfired a few times, as when the MPT tried to derail a primary because the main contender was not "opposed enought" to gay mariage. But they, what do you expect from a group whose motto is "We won't give an inch ! Never ! Never! Never !" ?

The majority of the MPT is made up of very traditionnalist Catholic groups and families, who are so inflexible that some moderate Catholics even gave up going to church because of them. Expect a lot of prayers during their protests. They've also found strange bedfellows in Muslims, who are very conservative socially. One of them, in particular is a Muslim woman,Farida Belghoul , a former human rights advocate, who organized several school boycotts by convincing families that, for instance, kindergartners would be given masturbation lessons
 
2014-05-22 10:23:36 AM  

Stone Meadow: Combustion: Wait wait...Jean Marie is a GUY???

It's the French version of naming your son "Sue".


That's something I always wondered about Americans : why do you use French male names for girls ?
 
2014-05-22 10:25:44 AM  

Gunny Highway: I did Model UN in high school and one year we were presented with working the AIDs epidemic in Africa.  My friends and I messed around and put way too much effort into graphs, charts, and models that proposed  sinking Africa into the ocean to freeing ourselves of the guilt and responsibility.  It was not well received.


My best friend in high school had an assignment to give a speech from a famous charismatic person.  His final solution to his dilemma was to give a speech about "his struggle" complete with a few costume bits crafted in the art class just an hour before.   It would have been very entertaining to seem him opposing you in a model UN as it would have been much more like the real world because he would play opposing politics just because he could and get away with it.
 
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