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2014-05-22 09:26:02 AM  
And the Browns still get nothing.
 
2014-05-22 10:46:41 AM  
So, it'll be about half as many teams as the hockey playoffs?
 
2014-05-22 10:51:50 AM  
and, somehow, the Cowboys will still miss the play offs by one game.
 
2014-05-22 11:19:29 AM  
so the NFL is taking on the CFL model?  huh
 
2014-05-22 11:19:57 AM  
Enough with the ribbons and trophy meme.
 
2014-05-22 11:20:57 AM  
Won't matter. The Falcons will still be one-and-done IF they make the postseason.
 
2014-05-22 11:22:06 AM  
So only one team in each conference gets a first-round bye? I guess that might make week 17 more interesting.
 
2014-05-22 11:22:19 AM  
Why not, the NBA playoffs have been going on for about 8 months now.
 
2014-05-22 11:22:21 AM  

ManateeGag: and, somehow, the Cowboys will still miss the play offs by one game.


This. I'm a Cowboys fan and I've noticed a pattern over the last several years. The Cowboys can play the best teams in the NFL very close or win when it doesn't really matter. They can go toe to toe with the Broncos and match them TD for TD. They can beat the 49ers in OT when Tony Romo has a punctured lung. But If the Cowboys absolutely have to win ONE game at the end of the season to make the playoffs, they will lose that game. Guaranteed. Bet the house, the kids college, your car and a kidney. It will be a loss.
 
2014-05-22 11:23:15 AM  
If the NFL actually cared about making sure the best teams get in the playoffs, they wouldn't put such a huge emphasis on winning your division when each division only has four teams and less than 40% of your games are against divisional opponents.

But they don't, they want to make sure 25 teams are still mathematically alive in the playoff races during December so their TV audience remains engaged.
 
2014-05-22 11:24:27 AM  
They should not add two.   They should add four, (two per conference).   More wild cards would preserve the byes for the top teams.  Adding one gets rid of the bye for the number two seed, which (to me) seems like a huge change for the top seeds.
 
2014-05-22 11:25:17 AM  
More chances for the Chiefs to continue to lose first round games. I swear, if they ever win that first one, watch out league!

/not really
 
2014-05-22 11:26:16 AM  
Will Peyton's arm conquer the known world? Will the Broncos finally learn their 'fast and light' Defensive Strategy means getting stomped, blasted and cornholed by Seattle mutants again? Will Ray Lewis finally confess? Will Redskin fans build a wooden fort and defend themselves with muskets against angry mobs whipped up by Jesse and Al? Will Elizabeth Warren  .. never mind. More Percocet, please and keep Jim McMahon away from me.
 
2014-05-22 11:29:41 AM  
It's May. Who the fark cares?
 
2014-05-22 11:30:28 AM  
A 7-9 team has already made the playoffs under the current system.  I can't wait for it to happen again, a team goes 7-9, then flukes their way to the Superbowl, only to be beaten by 40 points in a sad laugher.  Isn't the point of a regular season to sort out the best teams, not just the mediocre teams?  There's no way this doesn't decrease the quality of each playoff game.  But the NFL owners seem hell bent on tweaking everything in reach to maximize profits.
 
2014-05-22 11:30:39 AM  

Yanks_RSJ: If the NFL actually cared about making sure the best teams get in the playoffs, they wouldn't put such a huge emphasis on winning your division when each division only has four teams and less than 40% of your games are against divisional opponents.

But they don't, they want to make sure 25 teams are still mathematically alive in the playoff races during December so their TV audience remains engaged.


Well TV is the dominate factor-money machine.  My guess is the players/owners will demand, and rightly so, fewer to no preseason games.  The TV money is not as big and no point risking injury to players for meaningless games.
 
2014-05-22 11:31:55 AM  
So the NFL is adopting the NBA model of "Second Season".  While this falls into the "get off my lawn" category it actually used to mean something if an NBA / MLB / NHL / NFL team made the playoffs.  Teams are now in the "Playoff" with under .500 records.

It's a crock.
 
2014-05-22 11:32:05 AM  

Theaetetus: So, it'll be about half as many teams as the hockey playoffs?


And each game will still be less than half as entertaining, so it all balances out.
 
2014-05-22 11:33:07 AM  

Carn: Theaetetus: So, it'll be about half as many teams as the hockey playoffs?

And each game will still be less than half as entertaining, so it all balances out.


BURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRN.

I actually don;t agree at all... yet even I can see the quality of that burn. +1
 
2014-05-22 11:33:44 AM  

Turfshoe: Why not, the NBA playoffs have been going on for about 8 months now.


So, if the Beers beat Detroit and Denver beats Atlanta in the American Southwestern Division East Northern, then Milwaukee goes to the Denslow Cup, unless Baltimore can upset Buffalo and Charlotte ties Toronto, then Oakland would play LA and Pittsburgh in a blind choice round robin. And if no clear winner emerges from all of this, a two-man sack race will be held on consecutive Sundays until a champion can be crowned.
 
2014-05-22 11:34:47 AM  

Theaetetus: So, it'll be about half as many teams as the hockey playoffs?


14 is half of 16?
 
2014-05-22 11:36:45 AM  
It's perfectly fine the way it is.  Leave it alone.  We don't need to have more 7-9 playoff teams.
 
2014-05-22 11:37:06 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: A 7-9 team has already made the playoffs under the current system.  I can't wait for it to happen again, a team goes 7-9, then flukes their way to the Superbowl, only to be beaten by 40 points in a sad laugher.  Isn't the point of a regular season to sort out the best teams, not just the mediocre teams?  There's no way this doesn't decrease the quality of each playoff game.  But the NFL owners seem hell bent on tweaking everything in reach to maximize profits.


But, as this points out (and is correct), it is much more likely that a 7-9 will get in because of small division sizes as a division winner, vs. a wild-card:  "Sure, the extra two spots could wind up going to teams like last season's Arizona Cardinals, who missed out at 10-6. But they also could fall into the laps of a .500 squad -- Pittsburgh would have gotten the extra berth in the AFC if it existed in 2013. Or worse, a repeat of what Seattle achieved in 2010, albeit as a division winner, with a 7-9 record. "

And despite the threat of "Oh, no, 8-8 teams will make the playoffs!", if you go back to 2002, by and large, the extra playoff teams are 9-7 or 10-6:

Who would have been the "7th seed" since the league went to 32 teams:

Year        NFC            Better than    AFC            Better than
2013        Arizona (10-6)        2-3        Miami (8-8)         0
2012        Chicago (10-6)    0        Pittsburgh (8-8)    0
2011        Chicago  (8-8)        0        Tennessee (9-7)    1
2010        NY Giants (10-6)    1        San Diego (9-7)    1
2009        Atlanta (9-7)        0        Houston (9-7)        0
2008        Tampa Bay (9-7)    1        New England (11-5)    4
2007        Minnesota (8-8)    0        Cleveland (10-6)    2
2006        Green Bay (8-8)    0        Denver (9-7)        1
2005        Dallas (9-7)        0        Kansas City (10-6)    0
2004        New Orleans (8-8)    0        Jacksonville (9-7)    2
2003        Minnesota (9-7)    0        Miami (10-6)        0
2002        New Orleans (9-7)    0        New England (9-7)    0

9 out of 24 teams (37%) would have had a better record than other teams already in the playoffs.

Records of teams added in as 7th Seeds:
11-5    1
10-6    6 (3 with better records)
9-7    11 (5 with better records)
8-8    6

Only once since 2002 would a 10 win team still have not made the playoffs by adding a 7th seed (2010 - Tampa Bay @ 10-6 was the NFC 8th seed).
 
2014-05-22 11:37:20 AM  
I love that in a league with as much parity as the NFL, people like to pretend there's some huge difference in talent between a 7-9 team and a 9-7 team that means the 7-9 isn't deserving of the playoffs.

We can't have more teams in the playoffs! That would mean more exciting football games played by teams who have a shot to win the Super Bowl! The horror. The. Horror.

/there's absolutely no real downside to adding teams to the playoffs...longer playoffs? So? You don't like the playoffs why do you watch?
//Undeserving teams getting in? Yes there's a huge difference between 9-7 and 7-9...HUGE. A 7-9 team could never win a playoff game!
///half the league gets in! Boo freaking hoo. Half the league still doesn't.
 
2014-05-22 11:41:06 AM  
I mean seriously, who DOESN'T want more playoff football...
 
2014-05-22 11:42:32 AM  
In addition (and, I think might be where this all goes eventually), the NFL probably will expand to 36 teams, and get back to 6 divisions (at that point then, 6 6-team divisions).   Then you would have 7/18 teams making the playoffs in each conference, and you only have 3 teams being put in as 1st place in division.   Right now, you have too many groups of 4 teams that are mediocre, and they all happen to be in the same division, so, one of them makes the playoffs (like Seattle a few years ago, or the NFC East most years as of late).
 
2014-05-22 11:45:01 AM  
Why not go to a 14 game regular season, then seed all 32 teams into a single elimination bracket from there? Everybody makes the playoffs, right Roger???
 
2014-05-22 11:47:04 AM  

EqualOpportunityEnslaver: Why not go to a 14 game regular season, then seed all 32 teams into a single elimination bracket from there? Everybody makes the playoffs, right Roger???


Yes, adding an extra playoff team in each conference is exactly the same as what you described!
 
2014-05-22 11:48:13 AM  
Golden goose, chicken, Mark Cuban, etc.
 
2014-05-22 11:50:18 AM  

dletter: Or worse, a repeat of what Seattle achieved in 2010, albeit as a division winner, with a 7-9 record.


And isn't that really the most likely way a team with a losing record is going to make the playoffs?  I mean, it's possible for a wild card team to have a losing record, but I think the easiest path for a losing team to make it in is winning the division.
 
2014-05-22 11:51:51 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: Golden goose, chicken, Mark Cuban, etc.


Yes Mark Cuban has proved to be a real visionary. When he's not running scared from black guys in hoodies.
 
2014-05-22 11:54:34 AM  

js34603: HaywoodJablonski: Golden goose, chicken, Mark Cuban, etc.

Yes Mark Cuban has proved to be a real visionary. When he's not running scared from black guys in hoodies.


He's not been proven correct...yet
 
2014-05-22 11:55:38 AM  

Slaves2Darkness: There are very few teams with records of 30 years or more of making the playoffs.


Look, I love hockey.  A lot.  But this statement only points to the insanity still present in the fact that the NHL playoffs include more than half of the league.  The fact that there are ANY teams with current streaks of more than 10 years of making the playoffs is farking ridiculous, let alone the current 23 straight by the Red Wings.

The NBA is similarly flawed, with the Spurs having made the last 17 playoffs because, again, more than half the effing league makes the playoffs.

Nobody is above 5 years in a row in the NFL right now.  The most EVER was the Colts with 9.

The best current streak in baseball is 3.

I feel like the length of the regular season should be part of what factors into how many teams should participate in playoffs.  82 game seasons and more than half the league makes the playoffs?  That's ridiculous.  16 game seasons and less than half the league makes the playoffs?  That's a little more reasonable, although I could see the benefit of adding more.  Your sample size for uncovering which teams are actually good or bad is much smaller with a 16 game season.
 
2014-05-22 11:57:25 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: js34603: HaywoodJablonski: Golden goose, chicken, Mark Cuban, etc.

Yes Mark Cuban has proved to be a real visionary. When he's not running scared from black guys in hoodies.

He's not been proven correct...yet


2 extra playoff teams is going to do it though. Destroy the league. Yeah sure.
 
2014-05-22 11:57:41 AM  

BMFPitt: Theaetetus: So, it'll be about half as many teams as the hockey playoffs?

14 is half of 16?


Lawyer math.
 
2014-05-22 11:58:31 AM  
If it isn't broke, why fix it?

The old model is fine. There is incentive to winning your division and incentive to have the top two seeds.
 
2014-05-22 11:58:50 AM  

Dust: Slaves2Darkness: There are very few teams with records of 30 years or more of making the playoffs.

Look, I love hockey.  A lot.  But this statement only points to the insanity still present in the fact that the NHL playoffs include more than half of the league.  The fact that there are ANY teams with current streaks of more than 10 years of making the playoffs is farking ridiculous, let alone the current 23 straight by the Red Wings.

The NBA is similarly flawed, with the Spurs having made the last 17 playoffs because, again, more than half the effing league makes the playoffs.

Nobody is above 5 years in a row in the NFL right now.  The most EVER was the Colts with 9.

The best current streak in baseball is 3.

I feel like the length of the regular season should be part of what factors into how many teams should participate in playoffs.  82 game seasons and more than half the league makes the playoffs?  That's ridiculous.  16 game seasons and less than half the league makes the playoffs?  That's a little more reasonable, although I could see the benefit of adding more.  Your sample size for uncovering which teams are actually good or bad is much smaller with a 16 game season.


There's more parity in the league.  The fact that the Kings won the cup two years ago (as the 8 seed) justifies the field.  If the top seed always pasted the 8, like in basketball, it might not be the case.
 
2014-05-22 11:59:46 AM  

Rhypskallion: They should not add two.   They should add four, (two per conference).   More wild cards would preserve the byes for the top teams.  Adding one gets rid of the bye for the number two seed, which (to me) seems like a huge change for the top seeds.


Err...adding two per conference would eliminate all byes.  You can't really do a 16 team single elimination tournament and maintain byes.
 
2014-05-22 12:01:42 PM  

machoprogrammer: If it isn't broke, why fix it?

The old model is fine. There is incentive to winning your division and incentive to have the top two seeds.


That's easy. More money.

/as a side benefit, we get more football
//there's still going to be incentive for winning your division and being a top seed with home field advantage
 
2014-05-22 12:02:30 PM  

Carn: Dust: Slaves2Darkness: There are very few teams with records of 30 years or more of making the playoffs.

Look, I love hockey.  A lot.  But this statement only points to the insanity still present in the fact that the NHL playoffs include more than half of the league.  The fact that there are ANY teams with current streaks of more than 10 years of making the playoffs is farking ridiculous, let alone the current 23 straight by the Red Wings.

The NBA is similarly flawed, with the Spurs having made the last 17 playoffs because, again, more than half the effing league makes the playoffs.

Nobody is above 5 years in a row in the NFL right now.  The most EVER was the Colts with 9.

The best current streak in baseball is 3.

I feel like the length of the regular season should be part of what factors into how many teams should participate in playoffs.  82 game seasons and more than half the league makes the playoffs?  That's ridiculous.  16 game seasons and less than half the league makes the playoffs?  That's a little more reasonable, although I could see the benefit of adding more.  Your sample size for uncovering which teams are actually good or bad is much smaller with a 16 game season.

There's more parity in the league.  The fact that the Kings won the cup two years ago (as the 8 seed) justifies the field.  If the top seed always pasted the 8, like in basketball, it might not be the case.


Missed the NBA playoffs this year I take it?
 
2014-05-22 12:02:33 PM  
The 7-9 Seahawks defeating the defending Super Bowl champs Saints, was much more exciting than them crushing the Bronco's.
 
2014-05-22 12:05:09 PM  

dletter: Records of teams added in as 7th Seeds:
11-5 1
10-6 6 (3 with better records)
9-7 11 (5 with better records)
8-8 6

Only once since 2002 would a 10 win team still have not made the playoffs by adding a 7th seed (2010 - Tampa Bay @ 10-6 was the NFC 8th seed).


11 wins should be an automatic playoff spot.  Otherwise I'm happy with the current playoff format.
 
2014-05-22 12:05:33 PM  

JohnCarter: So the NFL is adopting the NBA model of "Second Season".  While this falls into the "get off my lawn" category it actually used to mean something if an NBA / MLB / NHL / NFL team made the playoffs.  Teams are now in the "Playoff" with under .500 records.

It's a crock.


You do know the number of weeks the playoffs take didnt change...
 
2014-05-22 12:05:37 PM  

js34603: HaywoodJablonski: js34603: HaywoodJablonski: Golden goose, chicken, Mark Cuban, etc.

Yes Mark Cuban has proved to be a real visionary. When he's not running scared from black guys in hoodies.

He's not been proven correct...yet

2 extra playoff teams is going to do it though. Destroy the league. Yeah sure.


It's not just the playoff expansion, obviously. I think you know that, and you're playing ignorant for some reason. The NFL is watering itself down slowly and steadily. 2012 was Peak NFL, in my opinion. The next few years should be interesting.
 
2014-05-22 12:08:33 PM  

wiseolddude: The 7-9 Seahawks defeating the defending Super Bowl champs Saints, was much more exciting than them crushing the Bronco's.


Yeah. Good times.
 
2014-05-22 12:10:17 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: A 7-9 team has already made the playoffs under the current system.  I can't wait for it to happen again, a team goes 7-9, then flukes their way to the Superbowl, only to be beaten by 40 points in a sad laugher.  Isn't the point of a regular season to sort out the best teams, not just the mediocre teams?  There's no way this doesn't decrease the quality of each playoff game.  But the NFL owners seem hell bent on tweaking everything in reach to maximize profits.


I want a 7-9 team to actually WIN the Superbowl. I think the results (read: whining)  would be wildly entertaining.
 
2014-05-22 12:11:00 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Won't matter. The Falcons will still be one-and-done IF they make the postseason.


There are teams that would LOVE to be able to be one and done. See: Cleveland, Detroit, Jacksonville, and lately, Dallas
 
2014-05-22 12:12:37 PM  
You have to qualify to get in the playoffs, where you can prove you are qualified to be a superb owl champion??  Why is it that no sport, no league, no division, and no conference anywhere at all do anything even remotely sane when it comes to championships?
 
2014-05-22 12:13:20 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: js34603: HaywoodJablonski: js34603: HaywoodJablonski: Golden goose, chicken, Mark Cuban, etc.

Yes Mark Cuban has proved to be a real visionary. When he's not running scared from black guys in hoodies.

He's not been proven correct...yet

2 extra playoff teams is going to do it though. Destroy the league. Yeah sure.

It's not just the playoff expansion, obviously. I think you know that, and you're playing ignorant for some reason. The NFL is watering itself down slowly and steadily. 2012 was Peak NFL, in my opinion. The next few years should be interesting.


I'm not playing anything. I'm discussing the topic of this thread.

The NFL has other problems. Just like every league has it's problems. It is still the most powerful, richest league in the country. The NFL draft got better ratings than playoff games in the NBA and NHL. Combined. So Cuban's sour grapes really don't strike me as insightful as you apparently find them.
 
2014-05-22 12:17:24 PM  

Dust: Slaves2Darkness: There are very few teams with records of 30 years or more of making the playoffs.

Look, I love hockey.  A lot.  But this statement only points to the insanity still present in the fact that the NHL playoffs include more than half of the league.  The fact that there are ANY teams with current streaks of more than 10 years of making the playoffs is farking ridiculous, let alone the current 23 straight by the Red Wings.

The NBA is similarly flawed, with the Spurs having made the last 17 playoffs because, again, more than half the effing league makes the playoffs.

Nobody is above 5 years in a row in the NFL right now.  The most EVER was the Colts with 9.

The best current streak in baseball is 3.

I feel like the length of the regular season should be part of what factors into how many teams should participate in playoffs.  82 game seasons and more than half the league makes the playoffs?  That's ridiculous.  16 game seasons and less than half the league makes the playoffs?  That's a little more reasonable, although I could see the benefit of adding more.  Your sample size for uncovering which teams are actually good or bad is much smaller with a 16 game season.


So, the NFL should adopt a 64 game season? I mean, if more playoffs is a good thing, then more football overall should be a great thing! They end up playing 3-4 times a week, like pretty much every other professional sport out there.  More action! More hits! More betting! FARK YEAH!
 
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