Do you have adblock enabled?
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(ABC)   Obama finally offers military response to Bush v. Gore: US troops deployed to Chad   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 49
    More: Followup, Obama, United States, extremist groups, Boko Haram  
•       •       •

2729 clicks; posted to Main » on 21 May 2014 at 5:59 PM (35 weeks ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



49 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest
 
2014-05-21 05:29:12 PM  
He's got to offer some sort of response to his wife posting a #SaveOurGirls image.
 
2014-05-21 05:50:37 PM  

Zandor: He's got to offer some sort of response to his wife posting a #SaveOurGirls image.


So #hashtagactivism works?
 
2014-05-21 05:51:56 PM  
I honestly had no idea Chad was that close to Nigeria
 
2014-05-21 05:57:02 PM  

enry: So #hashtagactivism works?


More likely "Wife nagging ism" works... But then again, if she got on the band wagon because of the whole hash tag / drawing attention thing... Who knows.

Whatever the means, whether it be the hash tags, or the media coverage, 80 people are now on their way to Africa to search for 300 girls who could be about anywhere in an area the size of West Virginia.

I doubt the people who did the kidnapping are going to give a flying fark about what someone is tweeting or hashtagging, but hey, if it gets someone locally excited...
 
2014-05-21 06:02:20 PM  
chadfoster.com

Screw you, Chad.
 
2014-05-21 06:03:32 PM  
Hang the bastards
 
2014-05-21 06:09:03 PM  
To be fair, that Chad guy has been hanging in there a long time. Good on him.
 
2014-05-21 06:09:44 PM  

Zandor: I doubt the people who did the kidnapping are going to give a flying fark about what someone is tweeting or hashtagging, but hey, if it gets someone locally excited...


Yes, that's what it was about. All that twittering was so the kidnappers would give the girls back. Nevermind the fact that the Nigerian government was doing jack-all about the situation until all said twittering was happening, and then suddenly decides to look for them and ask for help outside their borders. That was just a coincidence, I'm sure.
 
2014-05-21 06:11:05 PM  
Zandor:

More likely "Wife nagging ism" works... But then again, if she got on the band wagon because of the whole hash tag / drawing attention thing... Who knows

Sure, it's annoying that Michelle Obama is doing the hashtagging thing. But IMO, even if that was all she did for eight years, she'd still be more useful than Laura "Xanax Glaze" Bush was.
 
2014-05-21 06:16:03 PM  

Zandor: enry: So #hashtagactivism works?

More likely "Wife nagging ism" works... But then again, if she got on the band wagon because of the whole hash tag / drawing attention thing... Who knows.

Whatever the means, whether it be the hash tags, or the media coverage, 80 people are now on their way to Africa to search for 300 girls who could be about anywhere in an area the size of West Virginia.

I doubt the people who did the kidnapping are going to give a flying fark about what someone is tweeting or hashtagging, but hey, if it gets someone locally excited...


The kidnappers don't care but what's the difference between this and if the press had picked it up and ran with it before twitter did?
 
2014-05-21 06:21:34 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: I honestly had no idea Chad was that close to Nigeria


It borders both Niger and Nigeria, adding to the confusion for FARK comedians.

/good on subby for not going for the same tired "please" joke
//don't even care that the joke is 14 years old
 
2014-05-21 06:22:21 PM  
jesusfacepalm.jpg
 
2014-05-21 06:25:02 PM  
Democrats are finally getting their revenge against Chad. This is for Florida, 2000!
 
2014-05-21 06:31:01 PM  
I'm sure the fox morning idiots will be all over this tomorrow morning, telling their viewers that Obama is so uninformed he sent troops into Chad instead of Nigeria.
 
2014-05-21 06:33:28 PM  
So, a group whose name literally means "deception is forbidden under Islamic law" (not, as many have erroneously said "Western education is forbidden under Islamic law" or there'd be a shiat ton of kidnapped boys throughout the world as well) has kidnapped a bunch of women and girls and is using deception, misdirection, and subterfuge to keep them hidden away from the rest of the world for the crime of learning.

Let's just pause to appreciate the irony for a moment...
 
2014-05-21 06:35:14 PM  

Dinki: I'm sure the fox morning idiots will be all over this tomorrow morning, telling their viewers that Obama is so uninformed he sent troops into Chad instead of Nigeria.


In fairness, it's hard to keep up with all the "aid"/covert ops going on in Africa right now.

LULZ, your tax dollars at work.
 
2014-05-21 06:38:07 PM  
Chad is doomed.

ckckred.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-05-21 06:39:11 PM  
Send every troop in Afghanistan for all I care, at least they would be on a mission that had some chance of succeeding.
 
2014-05-21 06:44:51 PM  

myrrh: Zandor:

More likely "Wife nagging ism" works... But then again, if she got on the band wagon because of the whole hash tag / drawing attention thing... Who knows

Sure, it's annoying that Michelle Obama is doing the hashtagging thing. But IMO, even if that was all she did for eight years, she'd still be more useful than Laura "Xanax Glaze" Bush was.


Laura Bush's pet project was literacy. She was a librarian by trade. Librarians are not known for their attention-whoring, wanting to be in the spotlight ways. They tend to be quiet and unassuming--or at least the ones I know are. The elder Mrs. Bush wasn't exactly known for daily press conferences, either. Some First Ladies are content to not be in the spotlight--they are not, after all, the President, and most do not have political ambitions.

But hey, I'm old. I can remember when it used to be unacceptable to attack the First Lady and the President's children simply because you disapproved of the President's policies (and the Bush Administration's policies were atrocious, but that doesn't make it acceptable to attack his wife and children, and more than President Obama's atrocious policies make it acceptable to attack his wife and children).
 
2014-05-21 06:45:55 PM  
*and=any. Dammit
 
2014-05-21 06:49:05 PM  

Aigoo: So, a group whose name literally means "deception is forbidden under Islamic law" (not, as many have erroneously said "Western education is forbidden under Islamic law" or there'd be a shiat ton of kidnapped boys throughout the world as well) has kidnapped


Under your use of literal definition, if I say President Obama is cool for doing this, I apparently mean he's approaching room temperature.
 
2014-05-21 06:49:29 PM  
Obama is sure to know that troops are going to Chad, as soon as he sees it on the news.
 
2014-05-21 06:51:17 PM  
When you can buy them at $12 a head why spend 100X that looking for them?
 
2014-05-21 07:03:06 PM  
This is a farking outrage, why is Obama doing this without consulting congress, IMPEAZCH IMPACHECH
 
2014-05-21 07:07:00 PM  

JDAT: When you can buy them at $12 a head why spend 100X that looking for them?


Invitation only auction?
 
2014-05-21 07:23:36 PM  
The number of people who seem to want this venture to fail, and who apparently think any response to the kidnapping is bad because Michelle Obama did a #bringbackourgirls tweet, is absolutely revolting.

You all should be disgusted with yourselves. WHO CARES why we're helping, or what the motivation was. There are 300 girls who need help: does it matter why they get it?
 
2014-05-21 07:38:46 PM  

Gyrfalcon: The number of people who seem to want this venture to fail, and who apparently think any response to the kidnapping is bad because Michelle Obama did a #bringbackourgirls tweet, is absolutely revolting.

You all should be disgusted with yourselves. WHO CARES why we're helping, or what the motivation was. There are 300 girls who need help: does it matter why they get it?


i290.photobucket.com
 
2014-05-21 07:50:19 PM  
So there's oil in Chad?
 
2014-05-21 08:05:10 PM  
Nigeria is the United States' largest trading partner in sub-Saharan Africa and supplies a fifth of its oil (11% of oil imports).

#FarkLoadofOil
 
2014-05-21 08:06:24 PM  

Mordos: Gyrfalcon: The number of people who seem to want this venture to fail, and who apparently think any response to the kidnapping is bad because Michelle Obama did a #bringbackourgirls tweet, is absolutely revolting.

You all should be disgusted with yourselves. WHO CARES why we're helping, or what the motivation was. There are 300 girls who need help: does it matter why they get it?

[i290.photobucket.com image 600x450]


No...this is unusually mean-spirited and vicious even for Fark. It's approaching Free Republic in it's level of nastiness.
 
2014-05-21 08:12:03 PM  

Gyrfalcon: The number of people who seem to want this venture to fail, and who apparently think any response to the kidnapping is bad because Michelle Obama did a #bringbackourgirls tweet, is absolutely revolting.

You all should be disgusted with yourselves. WHO CARES why we're helping, or what the motivation was. There are 300 girls who need help: does it matter why they get it?



Hmmmm.  I'll answer.

I don't hope this fails.   At all.  Period.  I hope U.S. troops find those girls and maybe even hunt down the  scum who did this.  Yay us.  (And I wasn't even aware that Michelle Obama had gotten personally involved.)

Having said that, I will further say that there are millions of children in Africa being kidnapped, pressed into service as soldiers, used as slave labor, and being caught between factions in endless eye-for-eye violence, etc.   Millions.  It happens daily.  And it has been happening for decades.  The idea that suddenly this one incident deserves vast multi-national attention does strike me as somewhat faux outrage.  Very PC, very self serving, and very *very* ignorant.  And everyone who pats themselves on the back for having posted a smug selfie over this couldn't care less about a million other children being treated even worse this afternoon (and yesterday, and tomorrow).  And will have forgotten they cared by next week.  Yeah, I know - Debbie Downer.

/P.S. Gyrfalcon, I like your well reasoned posts most of the time.  This answer is not directed at you personally, or your motivations for supporting this operation.  I mean no insult to you.  I'm just telling you why I feel this seems very much like a smug communal self-congratulatory photo-op.
 
2014-05-21 08:29:27 PM  

Gyrfalcon: The number of people who seem to want this venture to fail, and who apparently think any response to the kidnapping is bad because Michelle Obama did a #bringbackourgirls tweet, is absolutely revolting.

You all should be disgusted with yourselves. WHO CARES why we're helping, or what the motivation was. There are 300 girls who need help: does it matter why they get it?


I think it is less of a "wanting to fail" and more of a "mocking twitter activism". 
 The term "too little too late" comes to mind, but it would be really nice if I'm wrong. Proper response would have been for the locals to handle the terrorists, but often they lack the capabilities. It would have been nice if the Country would have them stepped in while the chances of finding them all in a central location were greater, or if they couldn't respond, they had asked for help sooner.

Instead things were put off until the girls were scattered to who knows where and the chances of recovery are significantly smaller.

With the current prediction of the terrorists having scattered the girls in small groups all over the country they might get better results offering a 5 to 1 return on investment to those that bought them, just bring the girls in, no questions asked...  Then you find out where the terrorists are and deal with them.
 
2014-05-21 08:51:58 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-05-21 08:55:22 PM  

Gyrfalcon: The number of people who seem to want this venture to fail, and who apparently think any response to the kidnapping is bad because Michelle Obama did a #bringbackourgirls tweet, is absolutely revolting.

You all should be disgusted with yourselves. WHO CARES why we're helping, or what the motivation was. There are 300 girls who need help: does it matter why they get it?


Its not that anyone wants this to fail, we just recognize that there is almost no chance that it will succeed.  There is no military solution that doesn't end with almost all the girls dead.  The only hope of getting these girls back alive is negotiations and the terrorists won't talk to us.

I'll explain why military force won't work.  This group attacked and held a village when they took these girls.  Reports vary but there were between 500-1000 attackers who took the girls.  The group may have broken up, but they could have also joined up with more troops.  With that many hostile troops we aren't looking at a rescue, we are really talking about an invasion, roughly on the same scale as the invasion of Grenada.  In general when attacking US military doctrine calls for at least an equal number of attacking american troops and heavy support..... fighters, bombers, AC130s, attack helicopters, artillery, cruise missiles, tanks, APCs, etc.  In this case none of that support can be used because there are hundreds of hostages mixed in with the forces we are attacking.  Without the support forces we look for at least 3 to 1 numerical superiority in actual combat troops with additional support troops.  So we have 500-1000 terrorists fighting 1500-3000 american troops with 300 teenage girls in the mix. We would kill or capture every single terrorist, but chances are at least half the girls would die and so would a hundred or so of our soldiers.  This assumes using well trained, battle hardened american troops like rangers, airborne, or marines.

If there is no chance of elite american forces successfully rescuing the girls, what chance do you think the local conscripted army has?

The best solution I see is to trade the girls for captured terrorists, Tag the released terrorists, track them and after the trade happens send in B52s to carpet bomb the terrorists.
 
2014-05-21 09:15:53 PM  
 
2014-05-21 09:27:26 PM  

HK-MP5-SD: Its not that anyone wants this to fail, we just recognize that there is almost no chance that it will succeed. There is no military solution that doesn't end with almost all the girls dead. The only hope of getting these girls back alive is negotiations and the terrorists won't talk to us.


Many of us also find it interesting that with the sheer number of abductions happening within the United States every year, we focus on a tiny fraction of them in a foreign country because it can be sensationalized as "Muslim Terrorists kidnap 300 Christian School Girls".

The local statistics are downright staggering ( http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/22/us/missing-children-fast-facts/ ) yet because they are local and only a person here and there, they largely go unnoticed.
 
2014-05-21 09:42:35 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Gyrfalcon: The number of people who seem to want this venture to fail, and who apparently think any response to the kidnapping is bad because Michelle Obama did a #bringbackourgirls tweet, is absolutely revolting.

You all should be disgusted with yourselves. WHO CARES why we're helping, or what the motivation was. There are 300 girls who need help: does it matter why they get it?


Hmmmm.  I'll answer.

I don't hope this fails.   At all.  Period.  I hope U.S. troops find those girls and maybe even hunt down the  scum who did this.  Yay us.  (And I wasn't even aware that Michelle Obama had gotten personally involved.)

Having said that, I will further say that there are millions of children in Africa being kidnapped, pressed into service as soldiers, used as slave labor, and being caught between factions in endless eye-for-eye violence, etc.   Millions.  It happens daily.  And it has been happening for decades.  The idea that suddenly this one incident deserves vast multi-national attention does strike me as somewhat faux outrage.  Very PC, very self serving, and very *very* ignorant.  And everyone who pats themselves on the back for having posted a smug selfie over this couldn't care less about a million other children being treated even worse this afternoon (and yesterday, and tomorrow).  And will have forgotten they cared by next week.  Yeah, I know - Debbie Downer.

/P.S. Gyrfalcon, I like your well reasoned posts most of the time.  This answer is not directed at you personally, or your motivations for supporting this operation.  I mean no insult to you.  I'm just telling you why I feel this seems very much like a smug communal self-congratulatory photo-op.


Well, thanks for the kind remarks. :)

I'm just taken aback by the remarkable degree of PERSONAL animosity in the attacks, both in the real world and right here on Fark, as if people were anxiously waiting their chance to gleefully shout "See! It doesn't work!" over the bodies of the dead girls.

And I'm a little puzzled over the hate this is attracting in light of the fact that it's quite clear the pressure social media can bring to bear has definitely worked in this case, and several others. You have rightly pointed out that it is very much a communal PC photo-op (not a bad description, btw); but on the flip side, I'm wondering if the spasm of outrage against it is merely communal collective guilt. Things like this make us all acutely aware of how little we're doing in our own backyards, and we feel bad about it, and we should.
 
2014-05-21 10:49:38 PM  

Aigoo: So, a group whose name literally means "deception is forbidden under Islamic law" (not, as many have erroneously said "Western education is forbidden under Islamic law" or there'd be a shiat ton of kidnapped boys throughout the world as well) has kidnapped a bunch of women and girls and is using deception, misdirection, and subterfuge to keep them hidden away from the rest of the world for the crime of learning.


Yes, their name LITERALLY means "deception is forbidden under Islamic law," but what their name REALLY means is actually much closer to "Western education is forbidden under Islamic law," so the only person really being erroneous here is you.

The literal translation of "boko" is something like "fraud" or "deception," but in context what they are actually talking about is ANYTHING that disagrees with their interpretation of Islam (notably including Western education).  It's like how 9/11 Truthers claim, in their name for themselves, that they care about the "truth" when in fact what they care about (as anyone who doesn't buy into their worldview can see) is a nutty conspiracy theory.  Or how naming North Korea ""the Democratic People's Republic of Korea" doesn't fool anyone outside the borders into thinking N.Korea really is a democratic republic.

Or to go with another religious example, calling Creationism the "scientific theory of Intelligent Design" doesn't make it so.

So, no, as far as I am concerned "deception is forbidden under Islamic law" is a WORSE mistranslation than "Western education is forbidden (under [our interpretation of] Islamic law)."
 
2014-05-21 10:52:32 PM  
Bravo, Subby.

JDAT: When you can buy them at $12 a head why spend 100X that looking for them?


I was thinking about that. Hell, for that price, I could free quite a few myself. And isn't that the most important thing?

Plus, $12 is pretty good price for head.
 
2014-05-21 10:54:51 PM  

Zandor: JDAT: When you can buy them at $12 a head why spend 100X that looking for them?

Invitation only auction?


If it were a feasible plan I'd advocate playing along, buying the women and girls, getting them to safety, and only then going in with tanks and flamethrowers to wipe the scum out (or drones or bullets, whatever gets the job done) --- much like how a hostage negotiator plays nice with the kidnapper and promises him all the pizza and money and helicopters and fueled planes waiting at the airport in the world until the hostages are out of harm's way.

But I have no idea how feasible that is in this situation, and in any case I'm sure folks who know a lot more about what's going on than I do have already suggested such an option.
 
2014-05-21 10:57:42 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Mordos: Gyrfalcon: The number of people who seem to want this venture to fail, and who apparently think any response to the kidnapping is bad because Michelle Obama did a #bringbackourgirls tweet, is absolutely revolting.

You all should be disgusted with yourselves. WHO CARES why we're helping, or what the motivation was. There are 300 girls who need help: does it matter why they get it?

[i290.photobucket.com image 600x450]

No...this is unusually mean-spirited and vicious even for Fark. It's approaching Free Republic in it's level of nastiness.


There's a reason why I had previously farkied you as "calls out dickishness."
 
2014-05-21 11:01:15 PM  
I'm OK with this deployment.
 
2014-05-21 11:15:58 PM  

ciberido: Gyrfalcon: Mordos: Gyrfalcon: The number of people who seem to want this venture to fail, and who apparently think any response to the kidnapping is bad because Michelle Obama did a #bringbackourgirls tweet, is absolutely revolting.

You all should be disgusted with yourselves. WHO CARES why we're helping, or what the motivation was. There are 300 girls who need help: does it matter why they get it?

[i290.photobucket.com image 600x450]

No...this is unusually mean-spirited and vicious even for Fark. It's approaching Free Republic in it's level of nastiness.

There's a reason why I had previously farkied you as "calls out dickishness."


Wow. Thanks!
 
2014-05-21 11:20:46 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Having said that, I will further say that there are millions of children in Africa being kidnapped, pressed into service as soldiers, used as slave labor, and being caught between factions in endless eye-for-eye violence, etc.   Millions.  It happens daily.  And it has been happening for decades.  The idea that suddenly this one incident deserves vast multi-national attention does strike me as somewhat faux outrage.  Very PC, very self serving, and very *very* ignorant.  And everyone who pats themselves on the back for having posted a smug selfie over this couldn't care less about a million other children being treated even worse this afternoon (and yesterday, and tomorrow).  And will have forgotten they cared by next week.


[whynotboth.jpg]

Seriously, this is a classic case of a false dichotomy you present, where the only two options are to care about EVERYTHING or care about nothing.  Or maybe I should say a false trichotomy, where the third option is to be some sort of hypocrite worthy of scorn.  As you yourself point out, there are so many bad things happening every day in the world that it is quite literally impossible for any one person to worry about all of them.  And even if someone spent literally every waking minute working to end human trafficking and abuse of children, would they then not be a hypocrite, by your logic, for not spending the remaining 8 hours a day working to cure AIDS and cancer instead of sleeping?

I'm curious what, exactly, is the threshold in your view?  Is there a minimum total number of dollars, or percentage of total income, that one has to donate before donating anything is proof of being a self-serving hypocrite or ignorant wannabe?  And if I care at all, what then is the minimum number of hours I need to have spent in soup kitchens or the Peace Corps before my concern is more than just a smug communal self-congratulatory photo-op?

Why should you be the one to draw the line, and why should a line be drawn at all?

Speaking of faux outrage (or perhaps sincere but badly misaimed outrage), your argument strikes me as akin to the "broader issue" silencing tactic.  And I have to ask, even if you're right, what of it?  What do you advocate?  That people not care, or pretend to care, at all?
 
2014-05-21 11:21:37 PM  

AirForceVet: I'm OK with this deployment.


I would reluctantly agree. The problem being that these types of deployments tend to be open ended and often suck the US into someone else's fight. If it remains 80 service members providing intelligence and logistics, I'm on board. I would strongly oppose any type escalation beyond that level of deployment and I think most Americans would agree.
 
2014-05-22 02:37:02 AM  
Let's see, we can send 80 troops to free 300 girls in Nigeria but we can't get a Marine imprisoned in Mexico on false charges out of jail.  America, once again fugging over our own troops for political points.  I hope none of these guys get injured and have to seek medical attention from the VA.
 
2014-05-22 06:17:14 AM  
They should've sent in:

i1.ytimg.com
 
2014-05-22 08:24:26 AM  

boinkingbill: Let's see, we can send 80 troops to free 300 girls in Nigeria but we can't get a Marine imprisoned in Mexico on false charges out of jail.  America, once again fugging over our own troops for political points.  I hope none of these guys get injured and have to seek medical attention from the VA.


If you had seen any of the articles about Benghazi, you'd know that we're fugging over diplomats for political points. Literally the people whose survival depends on our willingness to go to war if anything happens to them, and we just said "meh, not worth the effort." It's a bad time to be a US citizen anywhere in the world that isn't the US.

/unless you're a cute young girl
//then you will probably get the Clintons to drop everything and save you
 
2014-05-22 09:45:02 AM  

AirForceVet: I'm OK with this deployment.


Yeah, at least we're doing something. We'll end up doing it wrong, and turn it into another OBL raid that leads to the persecution of doctors at the very least, if not another Mogadishu.

/but hey, at least it won't be an Operation Iraqi Freedom, amirite?
 
Displayed 49 of 49 comments

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »
On Twitter





In Other Media


  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

Report