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2014-05-21 04:37:06 PM
"In hopes of helping people like Morales catch up, starting April 1, the state is cutting the amount people must pay in interest on child support arrears, or payments they are behind on, from 12 percent annually to 6 percent. "

12% seems high but if the person is making no payments at all they should be penalized.  6% should apply to arrears only if the parent has resumed regular payments.

You have to assume the receiving parent is bridging the lack of payments with her own credit card or line of credit so it should be similar to that.
 
2014-05-21 05:43:27 PM

mrshowrules: "In hopes of helping people like Morales catch up, starting April 1, the state is cutting the amount people must pay in interest on child support arrears, or payments they are behind on, from 12 percent annually to 6 percent. "

12% seems high but if the person is making no payments at all they should be penalized.  6% should apply to arrears only if the parent has resumed regular payments.

You have to assume the receiving parent is bridging the lack of payments with her own credit card or line of credit so it should be similar to that.


pretty much this
but now you have to adjust for felons in prison, cant really be penalized for non-payment while in prison ... and what about unemployed but looking for work, versus farkit, not gonna work assholes.

good thing I dont have to figure out which is which
 
2014-05-21 06:01:14 PM
Not to mention their crappy economy.

When Illinois' economy is growing faster than yours, you might have a problem.
 
2014-05-21 06:01:24 PM
Scott Walker appears to be doing a damn good job.

Suck it libs.
 
2014-05-21 06:04:51 PM
Because everyone who has ever missed any payments is a totes deadbeat piece of shiat who hates his kids

fark you subby
 
2014-05-21 06:06:44 PM
good. The court system is far to heavily biased against men in these cases. Really, if women can unilaterally and arbitrarily chose to terminate a child for having the misfortune of residing in her body, then men should be able to unilaterally and arbitrarily terminate their obligation to the child.

This is a good first step in the right direction.

//waiting to hear the b.s. 'war on women' nonsense.
 
2014-05-21 06:06:58 PM

Brick-House: Scott Walker appears to be doing a damn good job.

Suck it libs.


And we have our first Walker worshiper 4 posts in.
 
2014-05-21 06:07:35 PM
subby sounds like a bitter Wisconsin union guy.

you're gonna have to do better than this...
 
2014-05-21 06:08:41 PM
Oh this thread is off to a bang up start. Won't someone please think of those poor oppressed men folk. You clowns do realize this helps out the ultra rich dead beat clowns more than poor joe the down on his luck father right?

Like most things they are selling this to the poor when its intended for the rich.
 
2014-05-21 06:08:45 PM

Brick-House: Scott Walker appears to be doing a damn good job.

Suck it libs.


Based on?
 
2014-05-21 06:09:16 PM

Brick-House: Scott Walker appears to be doing a damn good job.

Suck it libs.


For whom?
 
2014-05-21 06:09:20 PM

Mrtraveler01: Brick-House: Scott Walker appears to be doing a damn good job.

Suck it libs.

Based on?


The cargo cult that Brick house believes in.  "Libs hate it, therefore its good!"
 
2014-05-21 06:10:06 PM
Darr said ultimately he would like to see legislation proposed that would cap the amount of child support parents can accumulate while incarcerated so they are not so far behind when they get out of prison.


FOAD Assholes.  Those non-custodial parents have it so hard.

Any breaks for the whores?
 
2014-05-21 06:10:33 PM

The Maha Rushie: good. The court system is far to heavily biased against men in these cases. Really, if women can unilaterally and arbitrarily chose to terminate a child for having the misfortune of residing in her body, then men should be able to unilaterally and arbitrarily terminate their obligation to the child.

This is a good first step in the right direction.

//waiting to hear the b.s. 'war on women' nonsense.


This isn't that issue. But thanks for trying to make it one. It's about supporting kids who need things like clothes/food/school items.

/would support men's 'right to choose', as long as they made that decision with 5 weeks about finding about the pregnancy, and no 'take backsies.' later.
 
2014-05-21 06:12:33 PM
Family law attorney. I hate deadbeat dads. And moms, too, but let's face it, it's mostly dads. Twelve percent interest is just nuts, given what interest rates are now. It doesn't accurately represent the time value of money, which is all interest is supposed to do. Other aspect of enforcement laws, e.g., suspension of licenses, impositions of attorney fees and sanctions, and, oh yeah, incarceration are plenty punitive
 
2014-05-21 06:15:01 PM

The Maha Rushie: good. The court system is far to heavily biased against men in these cases. Really, if women can unilaterally and arbitrarily chose to terminate a child for having the misfortune of residing in her body, then men should be able to unilaterally and arbitrarily terminate their obligation to the child.

This is a good first step in the right direction.

//waiting to hear the b.s. 'war on women' nonsense.


Maybe these "men" should have kept their pants zipped?  Not our fault the mluts can't help farking women who haven't protected themselves against unplanned preggars.

Maybe, they should think about the consequences of having sex like that.

Pants zipped, no preggars, no child, no support, no problem. even if you're incarcerated, you poor dear.
 
2014-05-21 06:15:50 PM

SisterMaryElephant: Maybe these "men" should have kept their pants zipped?  Not our fault the mluts can't help farking women who haven't protected themselves against unplanned preggars.

Maybe, they should think about the consequences of having sex like that.

Pants zipped, no preggars, no child, no support, no problem. even if you're incarcerated, you poor dear.


Oh thank god its so simple

The problem is solved

Your brilliant analysis has cured all societal ills
 
2014-05-21 06:16:34 PM
The Maha Rushie:

Addendum to slashies: And only in states that have not put restrictive measures (i.e. closed clinics, unecessary exams, and requirements for doctors visits/hospital admissions) on abortions. If they are not freely and easily available then no dice.

Also, as the baby is the optimal outcome of sex (biologically speaking), the negative (abortion) should be agreed on in writing, prior to consummation. That way the impetus is not solely on the mother to make a understandably difficult decision concerning medical care based only on her own financial wherewithall when in fact it took 'two to tango.'
 
2014-05-21 06:17:46 PM

kronicfeld: Family law attorney. I hate deadbeat dads. And moms, too, but let's face it, it's mostly dads. Twelve percent interest is just nuts, given what interest rates are now. It doesn't accurately represent the time value of money, which is all interest is supposed to do. Other aspect of enforcement laws, e.g., suspension of licenses, impositions of attorney fees and sanctions, and, oh yeah, incarceration are plenty punitive


I would agree, except that I find it unlikely your average single parent will be able to borrow money at reasonable interest rates.  I think tying the interest rate to the likely rate that a single parent would pay on borrowed money would be fair.

I also personally think that the state's interests would be served by paying the incarcerated parent's portion of child care while the parent is in jail.  If the state wants to make the parent repay the money owed after the sentence is served do it at a low rate then.
 
2014-05-21 06:18:03 PM

Doktor_Zhivago: SisterMaryElephant: Maybe these "men" should have kept their pants zipped?  Not our fault the mluts can't help farking women who haven't protected themselves against unplanned preggars.

Maybe, they should think about the consequences of having sex like that.

Pants zipped, no preggars, no child, no support, no problem. even if you're incarcerated, you poor dear.

Oh thank god its so simple

The problem is solved

Your brilliant analysis has cured all societal ills


just spouting what wimmins been told.  should work for mens too
 
2014-05-21 06:19:06 PM
My experience with deadbeats has been that they aren't overly concerned with the interest rate on the money they have no intention of ever paying.  They also tend to be lousy parents.
 
2014-05-21 06:19:39 PM

Mercutio74: I also personally think that the state's interests would be served by paying the incarcerated parent's portion of child care while the parent is in jail


At least here in Virginia, the cost of child care is a variable that is included in the child support guideline calculation.
 
2014-05-21 06:19:47 PM

SisterMaryElephant: Maybe these "men" should have kept their pants zipped? Not our fault the mluts can't help farking women who haven't protected themselves against unplanned preggars.

Maybe, they should think about the consequences of having sex like that.

Pants zipped, no preggars, no child, no support, no problem. even if you're incarcerated, you poor dear.


Wow, no one's ever thought of that before!  When you make that a reality in human society, let us know, because shiat is crazy out here and real kids are actually suffering and having their potential damaged while you wax poetic.

Yes, they aren't your kids, but they're going to be adults someday and have an effect on your world.
 
2014-05-21 06:20:05 PM
Either way sounds reasonable. I'd be fine with 6% if you could show that you were trying to pay, and 12% if you were just an asshole.
 
2014-05-21 06:20:17 PM
The headline is misleading and hackery. But the Walker white knights came out. Thanks
@Brick House and @Colon_pow. Walker is a terrible governor but not because of this issue-

Because of the reasons below

Walker's economic policies are not great- the libby lib next door in MN is kind of making bootstraps
not look so great. Please refute-

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/24/opinion/sunday/right-vs-left-in-th e- midwest.html?_r=0

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2013/nov/01/scott-wal ke r/gov-scott-walker-cites-philadelphia-fed-say-wiscon/

ttp://www.jsonline.com/business/quarterly-jobs-data-for-wisconsin-nat i on-set-to-be-released-b99165965z1-236368171.html

http://host.madison.com/news/local/writers/mike_ivey/wisconsin-ninth -a mong-midwestern-states-in-job-growth-under-walker/article_59f4cfee-aee 1-11e3-8ef3-0019bb2963f4.html

http://www4.uwm.edu/ced/publications/wisemployment14.pdf
 
2014-05-21 06:20:24 PM
You know they're trolls and wannabe novelty accounts, yet you respond to them anyway.
 
2014-05-21 06:21:43 PM

Soup4Bonnie: My experience with deadbeats has been that they aren't overly concerned with the interest rate on the money they have no intention of ever paying.  They also tend to be lousy parents.


And lousy people in general.
 
2014-05-21 06:22:32 PM
Jesus farking Christ.

WOMEN HAVE BEEN TOLD 'SHOULDA KEPT YOUR LEGS CLOSED, SLUT" FOR EVER, but I guess we don't dare suggest that for the men.

The consequences of farking someone is a possible baby.  If you're not ready to raise and/or support that child, you might not want to have some sex with that girl.


FOAD
 
2014-05-21 06:23:51 PM

Mrtraveler01: Not to mention their crappy economy.

When Illinois' economy is growing faster than yours, you might have a problem.


Yah, run to the state with the 7.9 percent unemployment rate, rather than the 5.8 percent in Wisconsin.
 
2014-05-21 06:24:06 PM

UNC_Samurai: You know they're trolls and wannabe novelty accounts, yet you respond to them anyway.


It's like seeing a ventriloquist.  You know the puppet isn't real, but that's kind of the appeal of the whole thing.
 
2014-05-21 06:24:45 PM

BMFPitt: Either way sounds reasonable. I'd be fine with 6% if you could show that you were trying to pay, and 12% if you were just an asshole.


Good faith very often factors in to decisions about penalties such as attorney fees and incarcerations. It's hard to determine if a given payment was made in good faith or bad faith; it's more of a "course of conduct" type thing.
 
2014-05-21 06:26:22 PM

Cletus C.: Mrtraveler01: Not to mention their crappy economy.

When Illinois' economy is growing faster than yours, you might have a problem.

Yah, run to the state with the 7.9 percent unemployment rate, rather than the 5.8 percent in Wisconsin.


I'd rather run to Minnesota. They are beating both in those metrics without pushing some conservative agenda.
 
2014-05-21 06:28:37 PM
the debt should have been paid already.

I can appreciate the reduction in interest (even though you don't see anyone else getting "special" treatment when their debt gets out of hand) BUT if they can get more of what's owed to the parent that actually has the child,  more power to 'em.


what's best for the child please.

monitor these deadbeats & if they don't start paying up, well, i guess Mr. Walker will just pay their debts for them.

/I'm surprised Walker doesn't exclude union workers from the interest reduction.
 
2014-05-21 06:31:03 PM

SisterMaryElephant: Jesus farking Christ.

WOMEN HAVE BEEN TOLD 'SHOULDA KEPT YOUR LEGS CLOSED, SLUT" FOR EVER, but I guess we don't dare suggest that for the men.

The consequences of farking someone is a possible baby.  If you're not ready to raise and/or support that child, you might not want to have some sex with that girl.


FOAD


You think than anyone with a half-way realistic view of the world thinks either of those points of view has any merit?  Also, do you get a kick out of making an argument you already know is specious, just to see what kind of a reaction you get, then get all pissy when you realize that most people didn't find the logical "trap" you set to be a belief they subscribe to anyhow?
 
2014-05-21 06:31:58 PM

Doktor_Zhivago: Because everyone who has ever missed any payments is a totes deadbeat piece of shiat who hates his kids

fark you subby


You knew what you were doing. I bet you were asking for it with those clothes you were wearing. Should've worn a condom. I dint my tax dollars supporting whores like you!!!

/teeheehee
 
2014-05-21 06:32:15 PM

SisterMaryElephant: Jesus farking Christ.

WOMEN HAVE BEEN TOLD 'SHOULDA KEPT YOUR LEGS CLOSED, SLUT" FOR EVER, but I guess we don't dare suggest that for the men.

The consequences of farking someone is a possible baby.  If you're not ready to raise and/or support that child, you might not want to have some sex with that girl.


FOAD


So, when the man was a responsible husband and father but now has to pay child support because the mother decided she's bored and wants to get plowed by some other guy, its the father's fault for not keeping his pants zipped?

/I know I shouldn't feed the troll, but someone has to point out that not everyone paying child support is some deadbeat asshole who just knocks up every woman he meets.
 
2014-05-21 06:33:21 PM
Cletus C.

Wisconsin ain't doing so great pardnur-

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/promises/walk-o-meter/promise/52 6/ create-250000-new-jobs/


and while WI unemployment is better than ILL and Michigan it is lagging behind MN and IA
WI is better than its best cousin Mississippi as well

http://www.ncsl.org/research/labor-and-employment/state-unemployment -u pdate.aspx
 
2014-05-21 06:34:40 PM

kronicfeld: BMFPitt: Either way sounds reasonable. I'd be fine with 6% if you could show that you were trying to pay, and 12% if you were just an asshole.

Good faith very often factors in to decisions about penalties such as attorney fees and incarcerations. It's hard to determine if a given payment was made in good faith or bad faith; it's more of a "course of conduct" type thing.


I was thinking in terms of 6% if you're unemployed and 12% if you're aren't, or something.
 
2014-05-21 06:35:02 PM

SisterMaryElephant: Maybe these "men" should have kept their pants zipped?  Not our fault the mluts can't help farking women who haven't protected themselves against unplanned preggars.

Maybe, they should think about the consequences of having sex like that.

Pants zipped, no preggars, no child, no support, no problem. even if you're incarcerated, you poor dear.


No. I'm not sure you actually know how this stuff works, so I'm going to say 'no' to that. How about women take responsibility for their actions for once, instead of blaming everyone else for their problems, then crying when some one tells them that if they want to be treated like adults, they have to act like adults all the time. I know, I know. It's a lot for you to process. Why don't you go have a good cry about it, complain to some girlfriends, give them a few back handed compliments to make yourself feel good, then come back and try again, like an adult. It's cool. I'll wait.

gulogulo: The Maha Rushie:

Addendum to slashies: And only in states that have not put restrictive measures (i.e. closed clinics, unecessary exams, and requirements for doctors visits/hospital admissions) on abortions. If they are not freely and easily available then no dice.

Also, as the baby is the optimal outcome of sex (biologically speaking), the negative (abortion) should be agreed on in writing, prior to consummation. That way the impetus is not solely on the mother to make a understandably difficult decision concerning medical care based only on her own financial wherewithall when in fact it took 'two to tango.'


I'm not really sure there's such a thing as a "restrictive measure" for abortion, so sure.

Ultimately, this comes down to a man having the right to do what he wants with his body, and not be forced into something because some one else couldn't keep her damn legs closed.
 
2014-05-21 06:36:34 PM
I'm OK with this considering it's interest and not the actual payments.
 
2014-05-21 06:36:48 PM
Having sex is entering into a legal contract that is more advantages to women on some points. All men know, or should know, what the consequences of sex can be.

/since the female has the risk associated with carrying the child, she should have the advantage
//If you're male and don't like the unfairness use a condom, get cut, don't have sex
///3rd law of slashies
 
2014-05-21 06:37:57 PM

Fart_Machine: I'm OK with this considering it's interest and not the actual payments.


I'm assuming the interest goes to the parent with the majority of the custody though.  If the interest was going to the gov't, I'd just say cut it to zero since it serves no constructive purpose.
 
2014-05-21 06:39:44 PM
I guess we know where Joe Walsh wants to live now.
 
2014-05-21 06:40:34 PM

The Maha Rushie: SisterMaryElephant: Maybe these "men" should have kept their pants zipped?  Not our fault the mluts can't help farking women who haven't protected themselves against unplanned preggars.

Maybe, they should think about the consequences of having sex like that.

Pants zipped, no preggars, no child, no support, no problem. even if you're incarcerated, you poor dear.

No. I'm not sure you actually know how this stuff works, so I'm going to say 'no' to that. How about women take responsibility for their actions for once, instead of blaming everyone else for their problems, then crying when some one tells them that if they want to be treated like adults, they have to act like adults all the time. I know, I know. It's a lot for you to process. Why don't you go have a good cry about it, complain to some girlfriends, give them a few back handed compliments to make yourself feel good, then come back and try again, like an adult. It's cool. I'll wait.

gulogulo: The Maha Rushie:

Addendum to slashies: And only in states that have not put restrictive measures (i.e. closed clinics, unecessary exams, and requirements for doctors visits/hospital admissions) on abortions. If they are not freely and easily available then no dice.

Also, as the baby is the optimal outcome of sex (biologically speaking), the negative (abortion) should be agreed on in writing, prior to consummation. That way the impetus is not solely on the mother to make a understandably difficult decision concerning medical care based only on her own financial wherewithall when in fact it took 'two to tango.'

I'm not really sure there's such a thing as a "restrictive measure" for abortion, so sure.

Ultimately, this comes down to a man having the right to do what he wants with his body, and not be forced into something because some one else couldn't keep her damn legs closed.


There's no hate like neocon hate.
 
2014-05-21 06:42:56 PM

BMFPitt: kronicfeld: BMFPitt: Either way sounds reasonable. I'd be fine with 6% if you could show that you were trying to pay, and 12% if you were just an asshole.

Good faith very often factors in to decisions about penalties such as attorney fees and incarcerations. It's hard to determine if a given payment was made in good faith or bad faith; it's more of a "course of conduct" type thing.

I was thinking in terms of 6% if you're unemployed and 12% if you're aren't, or something.


That's where you run into the voluntary unemployment versus involuntary unemployment issue. You just create more potentially-contested variables for people to fight over.
 
2014-05-21 06:43:59 PM

Truffle Kerfuffle: here's no hate like neocon hate.


hate? This isn't hate. This is men standing up for their financial rights in the face of the coercive power of the state and an unchecked, motiviated, and organized, feminist minority -aided and abetted by gender traitors. This is the frontier of the civil rights movement.

//Also, not a neo-con.
 
2014-05-21 06:44:45 PM

Mercutio74: I'm assuming the interest goes to the parent with the majority of the custody though.


If it's anything like California it doesn't.
 
2014-05-21 06:45:05 PM

The Maha Rushie: Truffle Kerfuffle: here's no hate like neocon hate.

hate? This isn't hate. This is men standing up for their financial rights in the face of the coercive power of the state and an unchecked, motiviated, and organized, feminist minority -aided and abetted by gender traitors. This is the frontier of the civil rights movement.

//Also, not a neo-con.


This MRA satire stuff is brilliant, you mus write for the onion.
 
2014-05-21 06:45:11 PM

The Maha Rushie: hate? This isn't hate. This is men standing up for their financial rights in the face of the coercive power of the state and an unchecked, motiviated, and organized, feminist minority -aided and abetted by gender traitors. This is the frontier of the civil rights movement.


Word salad.
 
2014-05-21 06:45:59 PM

The Maha Rushie: Truffle Kerfuffle: here's no hate like neocon hate.

hate? This isn't hate.


Given your rotten attitude, I'd say it is.

//Also, not a neo-con.

Sure you're not, Rushie...
 
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