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(NPR)   If anyone could invent a marijuana breathalyzer test, they could make millions by selling it to states that have legalized the narcotic and, as a bonus, save lives by preventing people from driving while dangerously high   (npr.org) divider line 101
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2014-05-21 09:50:33 AM  
They could also sell it to the states that still prohibit it so they can enforce existing laws.
 
2014-05-21 10:20:58 AM  
Marijuana isn't a narcotic.
 
2014-05-21 11:17:37 AM  
It's a good thing that breathalyzers were invented before automobiles.
 
2014-05-21 12:08:00 PM  
drivers behave differently on marijuana than after drinking. They drive slower, but they also have trouble staying in their lane and lack a quick response time.

www.thinkstreet.net

Some studies indicate that stoned drivers are 33 percent more likely than sober drivers to be involved in a fatal crash.

warosu.org

A couple of weeks back some farker joked "NPR = Nice Polite Republicans"

That makes more and more sense every time I think about it in conjunction with an NPR story ...
 
2014-05-21 12:20:54 PM  
If they keep giggling when you ask them for their drivers license, they're to high to drive.
 
2014-05-21 12:21:15 PM  
FUD FUD FUD
 
2014-05-21 12:21:18 PM  

dr_blasto: Marijuana isn't a narcotic.


Over in 2.  NPR fails.
 
2014-05-21 12:21:38 PM  
Start taking DLs and Cell phone from texters driving and when you have that all under control then we can talk about weed.
 
2014-05-21 12:22:16 PM  
He needs marijuana to treat nausea from his vertigo
Yeah, right.
 
2014-05-21 12:23:35 PM  
The breathalyzer doesnt need to work, just give some positive results. Then let MADD create a barrier for arguing against the effectiveness in the machine. Sure the machine is error prone, but that doesnt matter.
 
2014-05-21 12:24:06 PM  
Easy enough. I can come up with some sort of box with electronics inside that has super secret source code and a laser that will produce a number.

I won't tell you how it works, because trade secret, but honest, it is a valid result.
 
2014-05-21 12:24:30 PM  

txchad: He needs marijuana to treat nausea from his vertigo
Yeah, right.


I need a hot college girl to help me with my erection.
 
2014-05-21 12:24:57 PM  

Therion: drivers behave differently on marijuana than after drinking. They drive slower, but they also have trouble staying in their lane and lack a quick response time.



Some studies indicate that stoned drivers are 33 percent more likely than sober drivers to be involved in a fatal crash.



A couple of weeks back some farker joked "NPR = Nice Polite Republicans"

That makes more and more sense every time I think about it in conjunction with an NPR story ...


Because an it marijuana equals republican ? What has obama done to legalize it again?
 
2014-05-21 12:27:39 PM  
A cannabis high is very subjective to the user and their tolerance and experience. Any sort of quantitative test is either going to be so low that everybody fails (most likely scenario) or high enough that some people drive that shouldn't.

Functional inebriation tests, or "field sobriety" tests are actually more accurate if performed without mindset of "Everyone is guilty and we need to prove it".
 
2014-05-21 12:29:01 PM  

buzzcut73: Easy enough. I can come up with some sort of box with electronics inside that has super secret source code and a laser that will produce a number.

I won't tell you how it works, because trade secret, but honest, it is a valid result.


Came here to say this - with the added bonus step of either lobbying the government until they sign an exclusive contract, or (even better), starting out with a brother-in-law in congress.
 
2014-05-21 12:29:44 PM  

vudukungfu: Start taking DLs and Cell phone from texters driving and when you have that all under control then we can talk about weed.


Texting probably is more dangerous than high driving.

But lets not pretend that a guy realizing that you can tell the personality of a car from the type of face its brake lights create isn't a danger on the road.

/a stoned driver isn't nearly as bad as a drunk driver
//still bad
 
2014-05-21 12:29:50 PM  
Prevent = no
//Breathalyzers are for after the fact.
 
2014-05-21 12:29:59 PM  
i127.photobucket.com

Roll, roll, roll a joint.
Pass it down the line.
Take a toke,
blow the smoke.
Blows your farking mind.
 
2014-05-21 12:30:29 PM  

dr_blasto: Marijuana isn't a narcotic.


This

/subby fails
 
2014-05-21 12:30:45 PM  
media.heavy.com

"People on ludes should NOT drive..."
 
2014-05-21 12:32:41 PM  
Marijuana is a narcotic, but, only by legal definition. The plants themselves don't give a flying fark about the Latin legalese. I've yet to see a plant change it's biochemistry due to some farking legislation...
 
2014-05-21 12:33:20 PM  

MemeSlave: dr_blasto: Marijuana isn't a narcotic.

Over in 2.  NPR fails.


Subby fails.  The word "narcotic" doesn't appear in TFA.
 
2014-05-21 12:33:43 PM  
The people who are unsafe drivers when they are stoned are the inexperienced, occasional smokers.  If everybody smoked two joints a day,  driving high would be zero problem as everybody would know how to function.
 
2014-05-21 12:34:43 PM  

txchad: If they keep giggling when you ask them for their drivers license, they're to high to drive.


too. I'm retarded.
 
2014-05-21 12:35:01 PM  
Ooh, I can pull studies out of my ass too: Some studies indicate that really impaired bud smokers are less likely to drive than similarly intoxicated drunk ones. Of course, nevermind that you never get the same degree of intoxication out of marijuana that you'd ever get from even 3 stiff drinks.

These people keep trying to compare and conflate and make alcohol to be the same marijuana but they aren't the same. Not even in the same league. I've never heard of anyone "blacking out" on pot. Never heard of anyone vomiting or having the room spin from too much pot. It doesn't cause vertigo, dizziness, nausea or heighten your belief in your own capabilities. If anything, pot makes people far too cautious.

Every drunk I've ever drove with had a lead foot. They ALWAYS speed. Every pothead I've driven with goes at or under the speed limit. Weed makes your paranoid, booze makes you careless and "invincible." You tell me who you'd rather have on the road.

/Anecdotal
 
2014-05-21 12:37:06 PM  
Yeah, a breath test would be nice, but there is a blood test.  It's somewhat controversial, but in Colorado for example the limit is 5 nanograms per milliliter.

http://archive.9news.com/news/article/370768/188/Colorado-police-pre pa re-to-spot-pot-DUI-cases

And I just got back from the weed shop.  They take credit cards now.

Awesome.  I got some Banana Kush (a cross between Banana and OG Kush) and Blue Dream.
 
2014-05-21 12:39:28 PM  
I am not a scientist, but I would think it would be pretty tough to devise an objective test.

From my observation, a given amount of marijuana can make person A barely feel it, person B turns into Tommy Chong, and person C gets a moderate buzz.
 
2014-05-21 12:41:45 PM  
"Are you small?"
"No man, I'm tall, I'm tall!"
 
2014-05-21 12:42:31 PM  

ko_kyi: I am not a scientist, but I would think it would be pretty tough to devise an objective test.

From my observation, a given amount of marijuana can make person A barely feel it, person B turns into Tommy Chong, and person C gets a moderate buzz.


No need to worry then.

The government will almost assuredly ignore tolerance levels.
 
2014-05-21 12:47:15 PM  
 
2014-05-21 12:49:42 PM  

garkola: "Are you small?"
"No man, I'm tall, I'm tall!"


And THEN the drugs wore off....


/ramblinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
 
2014-05-21 12:49:44 PM  

Sanguine Dawn: Ooh, I can pull studies out of my ass too: Some studies indicate that really impaired bud smokers are less likely to drive than similarly intoxicated drunk ones. Of course, nevermind that you never get the same degree of intoxication out of marijuana that you'd ever get from even 3 stiff drinks.

These people keep trying to compare and conflate and make alcohol to be the same marijuana but they aren't the same. Not even in the same league. I've never heard of anyone "blacking out" on pot. Never heard of anyone vomiting or having the room spin from too much pot. It doesn't cause vertigo, dizziness, nausea or heighten your belief in your own capabilities. If anything, pot makes people far too cautious.

Every drunk I've ever drove with had a lead foot. They ALWAYS speed. Every pothead I've driven with goes at or under the speed limit. Weed makes your paranoid, booze makes you careless and "invincible." You tell me who you'd rather have on the road.

/Anecdotal


These people?  This is a study done by the NHTSA on Alcohol and Marijuana.  It shows explicitly that they don't believe they are the same and that they know the effects are different.  Both offer impairment, but the impairment is different.  Mixing the two results in the worst impairment.
 
2014-05-21 12:50:34 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The people who are unsafe drivers when they are stoned are the inexperienced, occasional smokers.  If everybody smoked two joints a day,  driving high would be zero problem as everybody would know how to function.


What if they smoked two joints before they smoked two joints, then they smoked two more?

Mabye two at times of peace and two at times of war?
 
2014-05-21 12:52:53 PM  
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Meow listen here.
 
2014-05-21 12:53:29 PM  

dr_blasto: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The people who are unsafe drivers when they are stoned are the inexperienced, occasional smokers.  If everybody smoked two joints a day,  driving high would be zero problem as everybody would know how to function.

What if they smoked two joints before they smoked two joints, then they smoked two more?

Mabye two at times of peace and two at times of war?


Two if by land and two if by sea
 
2014-05-21 12:54:27 PM  

www.stonerdays.com

 
2014-05-21 12:55:23 PM  
l.yimg.com
 
2014-05-21 12:55:44 PM  

dr_blasto: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The people who are unsafe drivers when they are stoned are the inexperienced, occasional smokers.  If everybody smoked two joints a day,  driving high would be zero problem as everybody would know how to function.

What if they smoked two joints before they smoked two joints, then they smoked two more?

Mabye two at times of peace and two at times of war?


They'd probably feel quite sublime.
 
2014-05-21 12:55:52 PM  
It wouldn't have to be a breath test; I'd settle for a roadside-compatible fingerprick type test, and limits that essentially mean that if you've smoked in the past few hours you can't drive.

I'm all for legalization AND coming down like a ton of bricks on idiots driving high. Welcome to the responsibility side of that rights & responsibilities thing. If you want it legal, you should want it easy for police to keep high drivers off the road so CO & WA end up being trailblazers (huh huh, blazers) rather than bad examples.
 
2014-05-21 12:57:12 PM  
Most probably fail to realize that "Dangerously High" would result in said driver sitting in a bush making Vroom Vroom sounds
 
2014-05-21 12:57:12 PM  
I don't see a problem using a blood test that measures active THC (not metabolites.)
 
2014-05-21 12:57:25 PM  
Give me some eye drops and a breath mint, and nobody will know shiat-all about how high I am.

I live in Derpistan, Colorado (aka known as Grand Junction), and the Derps here are bootstrappy proud Christians who don't need Mr. Obama's government telling them what to do. These same people, or call them "folks" like the politicians who pander to them, these same folks fantasize about laws government could pass to punish them marijuana smokers since it became legalized in Colorado.

Roadside blood drawings were hot last month, but they've climbed down the charts. Today their new circle-jerk of legal cannabis resistance is tracking purchases at legal shops.
 
2014-05-21 12:57:34 PM  
Funny how your body uses every method available to expel alcohol, but with pot it just wants to save some for later and stores it in your fat
 
2014-05-21 12:58:06 PM  

dr_blasto: Marijuana isn't a narcotic.


So what is it, then? Since "narcotic" in the medical sense is any drug that has mood or behavioral effects.

THC also has pain moderating capacity and interacts with the brain's opioid receptors - so while it might not be an opiate it still acts like one enough to be grouped with them under the broader umbrella of "narcotics."


ko_kyi: I am not a scientist, but I would think it would be pretty tough to devise an objective test.

From my observation, a given amount of marijuana can make person A barely feel it, person B turns into Tommy Chong, and person C gets a moderate buzz.


This is also true for alcohol, but we've managed to establish limits on how much can be in one's body before they are deemed unfit to drive - regardless of how functional they may actually be.
=Smidge=
 
kgf
2014-05-21 01:00:03 PM  
Marijuana Field Sobriety Test:
1 Have driver step out of car.
2 Place a bowl of Doritos on the hood of the car.
3 Tell driver if he can answer five questions without eating a Dorito, he can go.
4 Ask five questions that involve some degree of thought.
5 Observe Doritos.  Cast judgment.
 
2014-05-21 01:02:30 PM  
Anyone claiming driving high isn't dangerous is a moran.

/daily smoker
 
2014-05-21 01:04:55 PM  
As I keep saying, please, PLEASE keep inventing these better tests.  This way, once cannabis is legal in more states, the whole piss testing thing is going to be less profitable.  That is the current state of testing, THC metabolites.  That is why you can smoke a joint and test positive for almost a month.  With these new tests, if you do something stupid such as causing an accident at work, you won't automatically get shiat canned for thc metabolites in your system.  Now they have, and will be forced to use the new THC in system tests to prove that the person was indeed under the influence of THC when the event occurred, as the new tests actually detect ACTIVE THC in their system.  Please proceed Mr. Prohibitionist.
 
2014-05-21 01:04:59 PM  
Or we could, you know, test coordination, reaction speed, or attention. The things that directly affect your driving. That way, we'd also catch the sleepy ones, the ones on prescription meds, and the senile ones, and not the ones with a metabolic glitch that has little or no effect on their driving.
 
2014-05-21 01:11:46 PM  
Go. To. Hell.
 
2014-05-21 01:13:43 PM  
My doctor says I need weed to get high.

Srsly weedfolk, don't drive high. Don't give them any reason to roll back what you've just recently gained.
 
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