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(HR Grapevine)   Companies get nearly $40 billion a year in free work from employees who refuse to take vacations   (hrgrapevine.com) divider line 43
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2014-05-21 12:30:36 PM  
Vacations? We get frowned upon if we leave our desks for lunch.

"You left? Who was supposed to handle the phone calls?"
 
2014-05-21 01:15:26 PM  

Walker: Vacations? We get frowned upon if we leave our desks for lunch.

"You left? Who was supposed to handle the phone calls?"


My wrist being broken I can't hold a pen or drive (or do much at all)... and I got offered unemployment when I'm off disability. I took it because I worked a job like that and can do better.  And couldn't imagine going back to a long commute, no raise in 5.5 years, literally insulting holiday bonuses of $100, lunch at my desk, and on the right day, dirty looks from the boss for going to the bathroom. Phone calls on my cell at 11pm - because a client had a thought that nothing could be done about at that hour.

By coincidence, the day I accepted unemployment, two other people resigned. One decided to go back to school, the other decided to move to another state and change careers.  Our boss was genuinely abusive - he used to openly call one of the girls who quit "fat biatch", he makes fun of someone still stuck there's national origin, and when I confessed I was being stalked by a rapist, casually told me "so go live in a hotel" - because that's affordable.
 
2014-05-21 01:51:32 PM  
One of the first theft-detection measures to take is to find the employees who never take vacations.  They're the ones who feel like they have to be there 24/7 to make sure nobody finds out about their scam.
 
2014-05-21 01:59:20 PM  
"Refusing to take a vacation" often means "If I ask for time off, they'll bump me to the head of the line to be fired next."
 
2014-05-21 01:59:33 PM  
Because they're terrified of losing their jobs.
 
2014-05-21 02:06:11 PM  
Silly Brits! Americans are too smart for that.
 
2014-05-21 02:06:30 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: "Refusing to take a vacation" often means "If I ask for time off, they'll bump me to the head of the line to be fired next."


Exactly, last year I asked for 4 days off between Christmas and New Years since my father lives in another state and it's a 3-hour drive without traffic....you'd have thought I asked for the boss' firstborn child. I'd in no way exceeded my vacation days, either.  God forbid someone wants to spend time with family and friends.
 
2014-05-21 02:13:26 PM  

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: One of the first theft-detection measures to take is to find the employees who never take vacations.  They're the ones who feel like they have to be there 24/7 to make sure nobody finds out about their scam.


Yup.  Especially if they're in a financial position.
 
2014-05-21 02:55:43 PM  
Not a problem at my office. You get more time off every five years. Therefore, all the upper managers are nearly always gone. If they aren't on vacation, they're at a conference. The higher up you get here, the harder it is to use an iPhone or email when on the road. You often have to build in weeks to projects just to get signatures.

That said, I never get any grief about taking time off.
 
2014-05-21 03:00:26 PM  
My job is pretty much one long vacation.
 
2014-05-21 03:04:19 PM  
I rolled over five days from last year.  Lost all of them because I didn't use them by April 31.  I found out I had to use them April 20, in the middle of a high profile project with a May 5 deadline.  fark 'em.
 
2014-05-21 03:08:05 PM  

serpent_sky: Walker: Vacations? We get frowned upon if we leave our desks for lunch.

"You left? Who was supposed to handle the phone calls?"

My wrist being broken I can't hold a pen or drive (or do much at all)... and I got offered unemployment when I'm off disability. I took it because I worked a job like that and can do better.  And couldn't imagine going back to a long commute, no raise in 5.5 years, literally insulting holiday bonuses of $100, lunch at my desk, and on the right day, dirty looks from the boss for going to the bathroom. Phone calls on my cell at 11pm - because a client had a thought that nothing could be done about at that hour.

By coincidence, the day I accepted unemployment, two other people resigned. One decided to go back to school, the other decided to move to another state and change careers.  Our boss was genuinely abusive - he used to openly call one of the girls who quit "fat biatch", he makes fun of someone still stuck there's national origin, and when I confessed I was being stalked by a rapist, casually told me "so go live in a hotel" - because that's affordable.


YOU GOT A HOLIDAY BONUS???
We used to get a catalog we could choose a cheap gift out of.
Then they cancelled that and just sent us an empty Christmas card.
Then to save money they just gave us a link for a "Virtual card".
Now they don't even do that.
 
2014-05-21 03:11:05 PM  

gameshowhost: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: One of the first theft-detection measures to take is to find the employees who never take vacations.  They're the ones who feel like they have to be there 24/7 to make sure nobody finds out about their scam.

Yup.  Especially if they're in a financial position.


I never thought of that, but someone used to steal things from our desks and the refrigerator.  I always suspected this one girl, who never took a day off, ever. Interesting.
 
2014-05-21 03:29:54 PM  

foo monkey


I rolled over five days from last year. Lost all of them because I didn't use them by April 31.


If that is actually written in a policy, go down to HR and demand they show you on the calendar that April 31st has already passed.
 
2014-05-21 03:32:27 PM  
I burn vacation like it's going out of style. I have 120 HRs/ yr soon to be 160/yr but I can take my skills to any major market and make money vs many who may make good money but their skillset isn't in demand everywhere.
 
2014-05-21 03:42:18 PM  

youmightberight: I burn vacation like it's going out of style. I have 120 HRs/ yr soon to be 160/yr but I can take my skills to any major market and make money vs many who may make good money but their skillset isn't in demand everywhere.


I moved from 120 hours / year to 160 hours / year and because I'm in California my vacation hours roll over from year to year with no expiration. I've never been denied a vacation request in the 9 years I've been with the company.
 
2014-05-21 03:59:49 PM  
Pretty much the ONLY reason I work is so I can afford vacation travel. Seriously, it's sort of my thing.

Damned expensive hobby, tho.

/just back from Peru
//greek islands in october
 
2014-05-21 04:03:15 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: "Refusing to take a vacation" often means "If I ask for time off, they'll bump me to the head of the line to be fired next."


THIS.

Especially for those of us approaching, or at 50, and working paycheck to paycheck. Vacation/Sick leave is something that shows up on your pay stub, but if you even take a half-day for a Dr.'s appointment it "Gets Noticed".

/IT Admin
//Programmer
///Used to have a life
 
2014-05-21 04:07:38 PM  
A few of my old bosses always held my vacation time over me. I was hardly sick, always ontime, yet when I asked for time off you would think I was asking for the com[pany to fly me around the world and when they did give it to me they made sure I had a pile of work to come back to. I'm sorry I accrue time and dont take time off the second I get it. The worst was when my sister in law was giving birth and I wanted to take a day to go be with the family and see my new niece. Well all of the sudden their is a new rule in place that you cant take off on Wednesdays because its payroll day. On top of that my boss had the balls to ask if my sister in law could change the day, christ what an ass. I did get him back a little when he wanted me to go to a corporate happy hour and was making a big fuss about it because our clients were going to be there. He got all pissy because most people went in said hi had a drink and took off. He tried to give me the third degree when I didnt even go. When him and his boss were gone the place got 10 times better.
 
2014-05-21 04:10:32 PM  

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: One of the first theft-detection measures to take is to find the employees who never take vacations.  They're the ones who feel like they have to be there 24/7 to make sure nobody finds out about their scam.


I remember when 2 week vacation (continuous) was mandatory for all fiduciary positions.  It was an audit policy and made it difficult to maintain kiting schemes in most systems.

It still is a good policy to follow even if the employee is not handling money. Lots of policy deviations can come to light.
 
2014-05-21 04:12:16 PM  

Walker: serpent_sky: Walker: Vacations? We get frowned upon if we leave our desks for lunch.

"You left? Who was supposed to handle the phone calls?"

My wrist being broken I can't hold a pen or drive (or do much at all)... and I got offered unemployment when I'm off disability. I took it because I worked a job like that and can do better.  And couldn't imagine going back to a long commute, no raise in 5.5 years, literally insulting holiday bonuses of $100, lunch at my desk, and on the right day, dirty looks from the boss for going to the bathroom. Phone calls on my cell at 11pm - because a client had a thought that nothing could be done about at that hour.

By coincidence, the day I accepted unemployment, two other people resigned. One decided to go back to school, the other decided to move to another state and change careers.  Our boss was genuinely abusive - he used to openly call one of the girls who quit "fat biatch", he makes fun of someone still stuck there's national origin, and when I confessed I was being stalked by a rapist, casually told me "so go live in a hotel" - because that's affordable.

YOU GOT A HOLIDAY BONUS???
We used to get a catalog we could choose a cheap gift out of.
Then they cancelled that and just sent us an empty Christmas card.
Then to save money they just gave us a link for a "Virtual card".
Now they don't even do that.


4 words: Hot. Cocoa. Sampler. Box.
 
2014-05-21 04:27:03 PM  

Walker: YOU GOT A HOLIDAY BONUS???

A previous employer of mine sent everyone 4 foam snowflakes with suggestions on how to make something decorative out of them.

The love the company had for us was palpable. Foamy, too.
 
2014-05-21 04:53:45 PM  
I have 124 hours of paid time off sitting in my account right now. I didn't take much vacation my first year at this job, just so I could build up a decent balance.

I take the occasional day here and there, now. Days off are good for the soul.
 
2014-05-21 05:05:38 PM  

gameshowhost: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: One of the first theft-detection measures to take is to find the employees who never take vacations.  They're the ones who feel like they have to be there 24/7 to make sure nobody finds out about their scam.

Yup.  Especially if they're in a financial position.


Coming from someone that works in a finance position, they require it.
 
2014-05-21 06:06:00 PM  
I'm taking the 27th off (woo 4 day weekend to celebrate my 3rd anniversary) so I'm getting a paid kick out of this.

/taking 6 more days off at the end of june
 
2014-05-21 06:20:57 PM  
Refuse to take vacation?  Or know that the box will be "very disappointed" if they do because it's always a bad time just now.
 
2014-05-21 06:46:27 PM  
I could take vacations but everyday I'm out equals three hours of extra work to fix the mistakes by my "cover" people.
 
2014-05-21 07:02:14 PM  
Salary position as a software engineer, with sick days, vacation, benefits, etc. Sometimes, I bust my ass till 2am the next morning, but the CEO rewards that with an additional 1-2 paid days off each month off the books, and the occasionally picking up the bill when he sends me and my family out to dinner.

Problem is, that isn't "Corporate America", where they expect to get the most out of people and offering the least amount in return. Also, the problem lies with young people who expect to land a career like mine right out of college, with all the benefits and entitlements. Took me damn near 10 years of climbing the IT ladder across a few companies until I found one that treats employees like family, and there is a mutual respect. It is a rare thing, and something I don't take for granted.

Overall though, companies in the US treat vacation, maternity/paternity and sick days like it is a big problem, especially when compared to many countries in Europe that recognize that a happy worker is a productive worker, and not a productive worker who is only so because of the constant threat of unemployment. But to quote Office Space, "...when I make a mistake, I have eight different people coming by to tell me about it. That's my only real motivation is not to be hassled, that and the fear of losing my job. But you know, Bob, that will only make someone work just hard enough not to get fired."
 
2014-05-21 07:16:48 PM  

foo monkey: I rolled over five days from last year.  Lost all of them because I didn't use them by April 31.  I found out I had to use them April 20, in the middle of a high profile project with a May 5 deadline.  fark 'em.


What strange place do you come from that has 31 days in April?
 
2014-05-21 07:26:37 PM  

foo monkey: I rolled over five days from last year.  Lost all of them because I didn't use them by April 31.  I found out I had to use them April 20, in the middle of a high profile project with a May 5 deadline.  fark 'em.


Bastards! They made that policy knowing that there's only 30 days in April. I hope you're on to their scam.
 
2014-05-21 07:32:32 PM  
We've got a tech that's max'd his vacation time out already, and he absolutely refuses to take days off still. The worst part is everyone else in the shop WANTS him to take a vacation because working with him is like working with a 5 year old and the only reason he's still even around is because our site contract ends in 7 months and it's not worth it to fire him and hire a new guy or even shuttle in a guy from another site to assist. The guy is a complete moron and only even got hired on because he's friends with my site manager's friend.
 
2014-05-21 07:59:42 PM  
As someone who manages 10 people, and soon 15, if my staff haven't used all their vacation time and the end of the fiscal year is approaching (within 3 months), I force them to.  Not using vacation time is a great way to burn people out.  I also steadfastly refuse to work during mine for the same reason.

/One client manager refuses to let people take time off and makes them work practically 24x7.  Those are the most unhappy employees we have
//My team was ranked as the highest happiness
///Imagine that
 
2014-05-21 10:31:07 PM  
Time for a new social contract. This shiat goes any further Dickens will rise from the grave and start writing again.
 
2014-05-21 10:35:26 PM  
A lot of people have trouble setting and maintaining boundaries.   They let their employer do to them what would be frowned upon in any other relationship.

People need to learn the skills to enforce the boundaries while maintaining a healthy and positive appearance to their employer.  This requires consistency. You can't buckle even once unless it is an emergency.  Then you set conditions and parameters that it cannot happen again.
This is also part of the reason why some employers like younger employees, they can be bullied easier.
 
2014-05-21 10:39:25 PM  

rev. dave: A lot of people have trouble setting and maintaining boundaries.   They let their employer do to them what would be frowned upon in any other relationship.

People need to learn the skills to enforce the boundaries while maintaining a healthy and positive appearance to their employer.  This requires consistency. You can't buckle even once unless it is an emergency.  Then you set conditions and parameters that it cannot happen again.
This is also part of the reason why some employers like younger employees, they can be bullied easier.


This. My job at the moment is a position where I could be replaced tomorrow. I do a good job while I'm there but more often than not when they ask me if I can work an extra day or hours I just say "Sorry, I can't" and leave it at that. I love Office Space but just kept on thinking "Why doesn't he just so he can't work Saturday instead of trying to hide?"
 
2014-05-21 11:04:30 PM  

gameshowhost: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: One of the first theft-detection measures to take is to find the employees who never take vacations.  They're the ones who feel like they have to be there 24/7 to make sure nobody finds out about their scam.

Yup.  Especially if they're in a financial position.


Yup. We have a mandated 5 consecutive days off at least once a year policy for that reason.
 
2014-05-22 12:08:07 AM  
I've taken more vacations this year than in the past 9 years of work combined. Why? Because I'm tired and burned out. Vacation is refreshing. I didn't realize that until I started taking them.
 
2014-05-22 04:53:22 AM  
Phil Moskowitz:  Dickens will rise from the grave and start writing again.

Those are the most terrifying words anyone has ever written.
 
2014-05-22 08:50:40 AM  
I get three weeks vacation this year and was able to 'buy' another week off by payroll deduction.  Love it.  Sure I have less money a paycheck, but the time off is golden.  Even if you're just sitting at home the mental health benefits are worth it.

Also get a yearly bonus, but this years was pitiful due to financial shenanigans that caused the company to get heavily fined by the EU.

Otherwise working for a Euro company is pretty sweet.
 
2014-05-22 08:55:15 AM  
Retail Manager. I get 3 weeks vacation(45 hours X 3 weeks). I know of more managers than should who spend vacation hours just so they can have more payroll for that particular week. It's farking disgusting. Sometimes I do it JUST to get a second day off for the week. My commitment to myself this summer and going forward is, FARK THAT. If they don't like what payroll gets spent, that's not my problem. Either fix the budget, or change the workload. Being salaried does not mean do plebe shiat all day because we're cheap, it means MANAGE.
 
2014-05-22 10:29:52 AM  

whither_apophis: I could take vacations but everyday I'm out equals three hours of extra work to fix the mistakes by my "cover" people.


I avoid this problem by having absolutely no one to back me up when I'm out. IMO, having a pile of work when I get back is far better than fixing mistakes.
 
2014-05-22 10:48:46 AM  
I get 8 sick and 8 vacation hours a month. They are stingy with raises though last year they gave us a whole 1% and acted like we should be the most grateful people on earth. That 1% didn't even help cover the rise in insurance costs.
 
2014-05-22 06:47:25 PM  
I was one of those assholes.  I was given a lot of vacation time but could never use it all. I was working 60+ hour weeks and the only way I could really take off would be to work 70-80 hour weeks the week before and after. It was seldom worth it.

They were definitely in my wallet.

Cocksuckers
 
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