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(ESPN)   Cavaliers defy 1.7% odds to get the 1st pick in the NBA draft again. Mock drafts already have them drafting Johnny Manziel   (espn.go.com) divider line 118
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2014-05-21 12:02:22 AM  
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Jusuf Nurkic
 
2014-05-21 12:56:00 AM  
Do the Cavs have the number of the Browns' homeless guy?
 
2014-05-21 01:11:41 AM  
Celtics get 6...typical. MONTREAL TYPICAL!
 
2014-05-21 02:09:53 AM  
FTFA: The Cavaliers continued their remarkable run Tuesday, winning the No. 1 pick in the NBA draft for the second straight year and third time in the past four. They moved up from the ninth spot despite just a 1.7 percent chance of winning the top selection.

"It seems surreal," Cavs vice chairman Jeff Cohen said. "This is three out of four years, and we had a 1.7 percent chance of coming up with the first pick and we pulled it off again."


Hate to break it to you Mr. Cohen but winning the 1st draft pick 3 out of 4 years is nothing to be proud of.  It's kind of like winning a race in the special olympics.
 
2014-05-21 05:07:30 AM  
If the Cavs are so bad, then why do they get the #1 pick every year?
 
2014-05-21 05:39:23 AM  

Mike_LowELL: If the Cavs are so bad, then why do they get the #1 pick every year?


Anthony Bennett.
 
2014-05-21 05:40:22 AM  
The debate begins. Embiid, Parker or Wiggins?

Personally, I'd like the Cavs to resign Hawes, making him and Zeller the combination used at 5. They ship out one of Thompson/Varejao, keep Bennett as the backup at 4 (getting him some significant minutes to develop), and take either Parker or Wiggins to be our new 3. Deng's not coming back, and you absolutely cannot come back with Alonzo Gee manning the 3 as a starter AGAIN.

/There's also sentiment that you draft Embiid, which opens up the 3 for a returning LeBron James
//Anyone that suggests this in a serious tone is high or stupid
 
2014-05-21 05:59:33 AM  

Alkoholiker: Mike_LowELL: If the Cavs are so bad, then why do they get the #1 pick every year?

Anthony Bennett.


Bennett still has some upside. He was hurt for the first half of the season last year, and he was really quite behind the rest of the team as a result. But now that he's figured out his sleep apnea issues, he's in shape and he's healthy, there's a good chance he can bounce back next year and become something.

Also, the 2013 draft is shaping up to be one of the worst drafts ever. 3 of the top 6 guys couldn't crack 10 minutes a game (Porter, Len, and Noel, but Noel was obviously hurt). Even the 2006 draft, which was historically weak because it was the year the NBA first disallowed players straight from high school, had Aldridge. Unless Noel or Bennett turn it around next season, that draft is going to be up there for worst ever.
 
2014-05-21 06:23:33 AM  
YES! NBA DRAFT DYNASTY BABY!

/ eh, they'll screw it up somehow
 
2014-05-21 06:31:01 AM  

lacydog: Alkoholiker: Mike_LowELL: If the Cavs are so bad, then why do they get the #1 pick every year?

Anthony Bennett.

Bennett still has some upside. He was hurt for the first half of the season last year, and he was really quite behind the rest of the team as a result. But now that he's figured out his sleep apnea issues, he's in shape and he's healthy, there's a good chance he can bounce back next year and become something.

Also, the 2013 draft is shaping up to be one of the worst drafts ever. 3 of the top 6 guys couldn't crack 10 minutes a game (Porter, Len, and Noel, but Noel was obviously hurt). Even the 2006 draft, which was historically weak because it was the year the NBA first disallowed players straight from high school, had Aldridge. Unless Noel or Bennett turn it around next season, that draft is going to be up there for worst ever.


To be fair Porter's season was also a complete wash due to injury/depth. He dealt with a hip issue starting late summer that forced him out of the first part of the season. By the time he came back there was no way he was getting on the court ahead of Ariza and Webster. Wittman likes his vets and had to make the playoffs to keep his job. If the wizards let Ariza walk or trade Webster's contract out of here he will get a fair shot to prove himself, otherwise they need to find a team where he'll fit & get something for him.
 
2014-05-21 06:34:52 AM  

lacydog: The debate begins. Embiid, Parker or Wiggins?

Personally, I'd like the Cavs to resign Hawes, making him and Zeller the combination used at 5. They ship out one of Thompson/Varejao, keep Bennett as the backup at 4 (getting him some significant minutes to develop), and take either Parker or Wiggins to be our new 3. Deng's not coming back, and you absolutely cannot come back with Alonzo Gee manning the 3 as a starter AGAIN.

/There's also sentiment that you draft Embiid, which opens up the 3 for a returning LeBron James
//Anyone that suggests this in a serious tone is high or stupid


I actually think they should consider trading it, if they can get a solid veteran and an unconditional pick. They probably don't want Love, and he probably wouldn't sign in Cleveland anyway, but there might be somebody out there.
 
2014-05-21 06:42:09 AM  

TheManofPA: [marketingpoliticoenlared.com image 485x362]

Jusuf Nurkic


Damn, Greg Oden looks rough.
 
2014-05-21 06:53:25 AM  
They might as well start hanging banners for winning the draft lottery in the arena.
 
2014-05-21 07:07:55 AM  

UNC_Samurai: TheManofPA: [marketingpoliticoenlared.com image 485x362]

Jusuf Nurkic

Damn, Greg Oden looks rough.


That's from his freshman year in high school.
 
2014-05-21 07:34:36 AM  

TheManofPA: [marketingpoliticoenlared.com image 485x362]

Jusuf Nurkic


Gesundheit!
 
2014-05-21 07:34:53 AM  

lacydog: Deng's not coming back


Even if they threw crazy money at him? Pretty much everyone else on the team is still on rookie contracts, or at least manageable ones. Irving/Waiters/Deng/Thompson/Varejao with Embiid/Bennet/Jack leading your second team is a playoff team in the East, right?
 
2014-05-21 07:47:17 AM  
Nice to see that in five years LeBron will be luring his replacement from the Cavs to the Heat.
 
2014-05-21 07:50:07 AM  
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Russo swerve!
 
2014-05-21 07:51:28 AM  
Come on Cavs..take Embid!!! Bucks fan who wants Wiggins!!!


Embid = Oden/Bowie
 
2014-05-21 08:14:22 AM  
Bravo Sierra
 
2014-05-21 08:20:25 AM  
I wouldn't mind if Embiid fell to 3 for Philly.

He looks very coordinated for a 7 footer.

Embiid at the 5 and Noel at the 4 is a block party.
 
2014-05-21 08:21:02 AM  
Dang.  I watched my sixers tank so hard for the 3rd pick.
 
2014-05-21 08:28:59 AM  
http://www.draftexpress.com/

BTW this site has cool videos of the prospects
 
2014-05-21 08:33:46 AM  
I'll just go ahead and update this already...............

1. 1954. The Catch. The great Willie Mays runs down a 420 shot to center field in sensational fashion preserving a 2-2 tie. Giants go on to sweep the world series.
2. 1960  The Rocky Colavito Curse.  The Indians trade home run champ (42) for batting champ Harvey Kuenn (.359) in one of the most unique trades in baseball history.  The indians had a 33 year slump which ended in 1994.
3. 1974  Ten Cent Beer Night.  The fans became heavily intoxicated, culminating in a riot in the ninth inning which caused the Indians game to be forfeited.
4. 1976. Jim Chones breaks his foot in practice, cavs sunk in playoffs.
5. 1981. Red Right 88. Even though they were in field goal range (13 yard line) for a winning kick, Sipe tosses an interception in the end zone, Browns loose 14-12. Raiders go on to win the Super Bowl.
6. 1987. The Drive. 98 yard drive by Elway (including a 3rd and 18 conversion) tied the game with 37 seconds left. Browns lose in overtime. The legend of Elway is born.
7. 1988. The Fumble.  With 1:12 left in the game, running back Earnest Byner appeared to be on his way to score the game-tying touchdown, but lost a fumble at the 3-yard line.  Byner traded to Washington the next year and wins a super bowl for them.
8. 1989. The Shot. Micheal Jordan's iconic shot at the buzzer in game 5. The legend of Jordan is born.
9. 1993 Cleveland Indians pitchers Steve Olin and Tim Crews die in a tragic boating accident.
10. 1994. Brad Daugherty career ended because of back problems at 26.

11. 1994. The Indians finally have a winning record that would have qualified for the playoffs for the first time in 40 years. The season ended with a strike.
12. 1995. Indians lose the World Series to Atlanta in 6 games.
13. 1996. Best record in baseball, lose to Baltimore in 4 games.
14. 1996. Browns and Art Modell leave Cleveland and move to Baltimore.
15. 1997. World Series, game 7. Indians have the lead in the bottom of the ninth with 2 outs when Jose Mesa(1.12 ERA 46 saves) falls apart on the mound and lets the Marlins tie the game. In the bottom of the 11th, 4 time gold glove winner and 5 time all-star Tony Fernadez(.978 fielding %) muffs a sure double play.  Edgar Rentería ended the game with a single.
16. 1999. Browns back in Cleveland. Draft Tim Couch 1st overall.  Draft bust.
17. 2000. Browns draft Courney Brown 1st overall.  Draft bust.
18. 2001. Browns draft Gerard Warren 3rd overall.  Draft bust.
19. 2001. The Ravens and Art Modell win the Super Bowl for Baltimore.
20. 2002. Browns draft William Green 16th overall.  Alcoholic Draft bust.
21. 2002. New Browns finally make the playoffs and have a 22 point 4th quarter lead against Pittsburgh and lose.
22. 2003. Browns draft Jeff Faine 21st overall, Traded to saints where he becomes a probowl center.
23. 2004. Browns draft Kellen Winslow. 2 games into season he breaks his leg. Lost for year.
24. 2005. Kellen winslow blows his knee out in a motorcycle accident, lost for the year.
25. 2005. Browns draft Braylon Edwards 3rd overall. Blows knee out, lost for the year.
26. 2006. LeCharles Bentley, top rated free agent signs huge contract with Cleveland.  During the first play of the first practice he tore his patellar tendon and ended his career.
27. 2007. Cavs get swept in Finals.
28. 2007 Indians have a 3 games to 1 ALCS lead on Red Sox.  They lose the last three games.
29. 2007 Browns give up a 2007 2nd round pick and 2008 1st round pick to select QB Brady Quinn.
30. 2008-2009. Cleveland trades not one, but 2 Cy young winners(CC Sabathia and Cliff Lee) Both pitchers meet each other in the world series. (New York vs Philly)
31. 2009. Cavs roll in playoffs, stopped by Orlando.
32. 2010. Best record in NBA.  Lose to  Celtics.
33. 2010 The Decision.   Lebron leaves Cleveland for Miami.
34. 2013 Browns bought by Jim Haslam Jr. He is now under ethics and tax fraud investigation.
35. 2013 Browns have a 26-13 lead with 1:03 remaining on the patriots and lose 27-26
36. 2013-2014 Browns fire Rob Chudzinski, hire Pettine, then fire the front office who just hired him.(Banner and Lombardi).
37. 2014 League leading Browns wideout Josh Gordon suspended for the year for failing his 3rd drug test.
38. 2014 Browns select Johnny Manziel 22nd overall. Draft bust.
39. 2011-2014  Despite having the first pick in 2011, 2013, and 2014, the Cleveland Cavaliers could not put together a winning team.
 
2014-05-21 08:36:43 AM  
All things being equal and fair (LMAO!!!)


For the outcomes of the 2011-2014 drafts to come out...
0.001017307% chance of the outcome(s) we ended up seeing.
 
2014-05-21 08:37:42 AM  

Leader O'Cola: All things being equal and fair (LMAO!!!)


For the outcomes of the 2011-2014 drafts to come out...
0.001017307% chance of the outcome(s) we ended up seeing.


that should say 1st pick 'winners' only....
 
2014-05-21 08:38:29 AM  

5 star chef of tv dinners: Hate to break it to you Mr. Cohen but winning the 1st draft pick 3 out of 4 years is nothing to be proud of.  It's kind of like winning a race in the special olympics.


That was funny. Politically incorrect, but funny.
 
2014-05-21 08:53:50 AM  
They are going to take the big and live to regret it.

Happy with the 6 pick.  The Celtics could use a skilled Center in this draft.  Huge opportunities for them and they have to make it work.  Fab Melo has not exactly panned out.
 
2014-05-21 09:06:08 AM  

Gunny Highway: They are going to take the big and live to regret it.

Happy with the 6 pick.  The Celtics could use a skilled Center in this draft.  Huge opportunities for them and they have to make it work.  Fab Melo has not exactly panned out.


Celtics use 6th pick and assets to get Love. Cavs trade Waiters to Celtics for assets, Cavs draft Wiggins as the replacement for Waiters (since Irving hates him).

/thats the best possible outcome for the Celtics
//someone else needs to define what they "assets" are in each situation
 
2014-05-21 09:06:34 AM  
Dan Gilbert must have some serious dirt on Adam Silver. Like pics of him in assless chaps getting whipped at a gay bondage club. Or video of him dressed in lingerie singing the words to that song I'm a Barbie Girl.

Otherwise I have to believe Cleveland is one in 13,000 lucky to win again. And that doesn't happen to Cleveland.
 
2014-05-21 09:07:49 AM  

moistD: Cavs draft Wiggins as the replacement for Waiters


Where in that trade scenario did the Cavs trade the Celtics their #1 pick?
 
2014-05-21 09:08:09 AM  

moistD: Gunny Highway: They are going to take the big and live to regret it.

Happy with the 6 pick.  The Celtics could use a skilled Center in this draft.  Huge opportunities for them and they have to make it work.  Fab Melo has not exactly panned out.

Celtics use 6th pick and assets to get Love. Cavs trade Waiters to Celtics for assets, Cavs draft Wiggins as the replacement for Waiters (since Irving hates him).

/thats the best possible outcome for the Celtics
//someone else needs to define what they "assets" are in each situation


I am going to be honest, I do not want the Celtics to lease their future on Kevin Love. At all.
 
2014-05-21 09:08:24 AM  
uhh nevermind.

/didn't sleep last night
 
2014-05-21 09:09:36 AM  

Gunny Highway: I am going to be honest, I do not want the Celtics to lease their future on Kevin Love. At all.


I wouldn't want Love either.

I don't want my PF/C shooting 45% from the field.
 
2014-05-21 09:10:33 AM  
I understand why leagues have adopted the draft ("competitive balance", and all that), but it simply isn't good for the players. Don't want to live in Ohio? Sucks to be you. Don't want to play for an historically terrible franchise, or one run by lunatics? Sorry! Yes, I've heard the arguments - which usually boil down to "oh, the poor millionaires, how terrible" - but money doesn't and can't make up for everything. Since the draft isn't going away anytime soon, however, it would make much more sense if it were reversed - win the title, get the first pick. It would encourage teams to succeed, reward well-run franchises, and create dominant teams people will actually want to go see (adding any of this year's top three to the Heat, Spurs, Thunder, or Pacers would be great fun). How many players drafted by the Clippers could have had fantastic careers had they not been forced to board the Titanic? We'll never know, but that number is surely greater than zero. Rather than handicapping the best players, let's give them the best possible chance to do all they can with what they have.
 
2014-05-21 09:10:47 AM  
Too lucky to fail?
 
2014-05-21 09:12:51 AM  

feanorn: I understand why leagues have adopted the draft ("competitive balance", and all that), but it simply isn't good for the players. Don't want to live in Ohio? Sucks to be you. Don't want to play for an historically terrible franchise, or one run by lunatics? Sorry! Yes, I've heard the arguments - which usually boil down to "oh, the poor millionaires, how terrible" - but money doesn't and can't make up for everything. Since the draft isn't going away anytime soon, however, it would make much more sense if it were reversed - win the title, get the first pick. It would encourage teams to succeed, reward well-run franchises, and create dominant teams people will actually want to go see (adding any of this year's top three to the Heat, Spurs, Thunder, or Pacers would be great fun). How many players drafted by the Clippers could have had fantastic careers had they not been forced to board the Titanic? We'll never know, but that number is surely greater than zero. Rather than handicapping the best players, let's give them the best possible chance to do all they can with what they have.


Of the idiotic ways to fix the NBA lottery, this is among the idioticist.

My solution is to just eliminate the draft and have all rookies enter as free agents.  This favors the bad teams because they're the ones most likely to have cap space, but doesn't encourage tanking
 
2014-05-21 09:15:15 AM  

MugzyBrown: My solution is to just eliminate the draft and have all rookies enter as free agents.  This favors the bad teams because they're the ones most likely to have cap space, but doesn't encourage tanking


I agree. But is the draft going anywhere? Doubtful.
 
2014-05-21 09:16:58 AM  

feanorn: I understand why leagues have adopted the draft ("competitive balance", and all that), but it simply isn't good for the players. Don't want to live in Ohio? Sucks to be you. Don't want to play for an historically terrible franchise, or one run by lunatics? Sorry! Yes, I've heard the arguments - which usually boil down to "oh, the poor millionaires, how terrible" - but money doesn't and can't make up for everything. Since the draft isn't going away anytime soon, however, it would make much more sense if it were reversed - win the title, get the first pick. It would encourage teams to succeed, reward well-run franchises, and create dominant teams people will actually want to go see (adding any of this year's top three to the Heat, Spurs, Thunder, or Pacers would be great fun). How many players drafted by the Clippers could have had fantastic careers had they not been forced to board the Titanic? We'll never know, but that number is surely greater than zero. Rather than handicapping the best players, let's give them the best possible chance to do all they can with what they have.


Here is an idea.  Let's. as a group of sports fans, stop trying to "fix" everything we dont like about a particular sport.  Maybe the NBA isnt for you, even if you are a sports fan.

And your idea is not good.
 
2014-05-21 09:16:59 AM  

feanorn: I agree. But is the draft going anywhere? Doubtful.


A live auction would be much more entertaining than the draft... though may not look very PC.
 
2014-05-21 09:17:37 AM  

MugzyBrown: moistD: Cavs draft Wiggins as the replacement for Waiters

Where in that trade scenario did the Cavs trade the Celtics their #1 pick?


They don't.  The cavs want to get rid of Waiters, and waiters is the SG right now.  So draft Wiggens who would play better with Irving and trade Waiters to Celtics.

Gunny Highway: moistD: Gunny Highway: They are going to take the big and live to regret it.

Happy with the 6 pick.  The Celtics could use a skilled Center in this draft.  Huge opportunities for them and they have to make it work.  Fab Melo has not exactly panned out.

Celtics use 6th pick and assets to get Love. Cavs trade Waiters to Celtics for assets, Cavs draft Wiggins as the replacement for Waiters (since Irving hates him).

/thats the best possible outcome for the Celtics
//someone else needs to define what they "assets" are in each situation

I am going to be honest, I do not want the Celtics to lease their future on Kevin Love. At all.


Why not?

/on top of having a player Boston would love to cheer for I get the opportunity to see some sort of Beach Boys concert at Fenway maybe hopefully?
//saw Brian Wilson in Hershey PA open for Paul Simon, god that was a sad opening act (Brian opened the show).
 
2014-05-21 09:17:44 AM  

Gunny Highway: Let's. as a group of sports fans, stop trying to "fix" everything we dont like about a particular sport.  Maybe the NBA isnt for you, even if you are a sports fan.


Yeah, improving things we enjoy is a horrible idea.
 
2014-05-21 09:19:00 AM  

lacydog: Also, the 2013 draft is shaping up to be one of the worst drafts ever. 3 of the top 6 guys couldn't crack 10 minutes a game (Porter, Len, and Noel, but Noel was obviously hurt). Even the 2006 draft, which was historically weak because it was the year the NBA first disallowed players straight from high school, had Aldridge. Unless Noel or Bennett turn it around next season, that draft is going to be up there for worst ever.


As a casual 76ers fan, very casual, I have to think they are gonna be ok in 2 years. 6 and 11 last year and 3 and 10 this year shouldgive you a very strong base. Noel is essentially a rookie this year so that is why I say 2 years from now.
 
2014-05-21 09:19:05 AM  

moistD: on top of having a white player Boston would love to cheer for

 
2014-05-21 09:21:08 AM  

MugzyBrown: Gunny Highway: Let's. as a group of sports fans, stop trying to "fix" everything we dont like about a particular sport.  Maybe the NBA isnt for you, even if you are a sports fan.

Yeah, improving things we enjoy is a horrible idea.


Few of the improvement I have ever seen are improvements.  They just change things because of perceived unfairness.

The NBA is having a nerve center for all reviewed calls.  That is a change.  That is good change.
 
2014-05-21 09:21:09 AM  

Gunny Highway: feanorn: I understand why leagues have adopted the draft ("competitive balance", and all that), but it simply isn't good for the players. Don't want to live in Ohio? Sucks to be you. Don't want to play for an historically terrible franchise, or one run by lunatics? Sorry! Yes, I've heard the arguments - which usually boil down to "oh, the poor millionaires, how terrible" - but money doesn't and can't make up for everything. Since the draft isn't going away anytime soon, however, it would make much more sense if it were reversed - win the title, get the first pick. It would encourage teams to succeed, reward well-run franchises, and create dominant teams people will actually want to go see (adding any of this year's top three to the Heat, Spurs, Thunder, or Pacers would be great fun). How many players drafted by the Clippers could have had fantastic careers had they not been forced to board the Titanic? We'll never know, but that number is surely greater than zero. Rather than handicapping the best players, let's give them the best possible chance to do all they can with what they have.

Here is an idea.  Let's. as a group of sports fans, stop trying to "fix" everything we dont like about a particular sport.  Maybe the NBA isnt for you, even if you are a sports fan.

And your idea is not good.


You sound like a Cavs fan.
 
2014-05-21 09:23:23 AM  

MugzyBrown: moistD: on top of having a white player Boston would love to cheer for


your words not mine.

/Yes there is definitely still a bit of racism in Boston but I meant his work ethic and style of play.
 
2014-05-21 09:24:20 AM  

moistD: work ethic and style of play.


Adjective for 'white'

He hustles and plays the right way!
 
2014-05-21 09:24:33 AM  

reprobate1125: Dang.  I watched my sixers tank so hard for the 3rd pick.


I'm both a Sixers fan and a Jayhawks fan, so I've been excited all year that they might end up with Wiggins or Embiid. So last night pretty much sucked. Nothing against Jabari Parker, but they might as well trade the pick away for Love.
 
2014-05-21 09:25:37 AM  

feanorn: Gunny Highway: feanorn: I understand why leagues have adopted the draft ("competitive balance", and all that), but it simply isn't good for the players. Don't want to live in Ohio? Sucks to be you. Don't want to play for an historically terrible franchise, or one run by lunatics? Sorry! Yes, I've heard the arguments - which usually boil down to "oh, the poor millionaires, how terrible" - but money doesn't and can't make up for everything. Since the draft isn't going away anytime soon, however, it would make much more sense if it were reversed - win the title, get the first pick. It would encourage teams to succeed, reward well-run franchises, and create dominant teams people will actually want to go see (adding any of this year's top three to the Heat, Spurs, Thunder, or Pacers would be great fun). How many players drafted by the Clippers could have had fantastic careers had they not been forced to board the Titanic? We'll never know, but that number is surely greater than zero. Rather than handicapping the best players, let's give them the best possible chance to do all they can with what they have.

Here is an idea.  Let's. as a group of sports fans, stop trying to "fix" everything we dont like about a particular sport.  Maybe the NBA isnt for you, even if you are a sports fan.

And your idea is not good.

You sound like a Cavs fan.


I am not, and it is still a crappy idea. So essentially under your scenario, the top 5 would remain the top 5 for 10+ years. The crappy teams would never get ahead. Usually anything past 10-12 in the draft is nothing but a crap shoot.
 
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