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(Washington Post)   Good news, everybody. You can all stop worrying about this whole VA thing. Obama has dispatched a top aide to look into the matter. A TOP aide   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 200
    More: Fail, United States Department of Veterans Affairs, Michelle Obama, White House, phoenix, Jill Biden, Denis McDonough, Tammy Duckworth, House Majority Leader  
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2014-05-20 04:54:08 PM
As a disabled vet, I'm holding judgment until the dust settles. Way too much politics and for-profit journalism flying about to get an idea WTF is going on in the Phenoix VA hospital.

Has the VA IG issued its report yet?
 
2014-05-20 04:56:33 PM
They sent Josh.  Great.

/Sam would have been the better option
 
2014-05-20 05:22:19 PM
Did Congress restore their funding?

No?

Then I doubt things can improve.
 
2014-05-20 05:22:29 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: They sent Josh.  Great.

/Sam would have been the better option


I just started watching this show.  love it.  Charlie would get this shiat done.
 
2014-05-20 05:31:50 PM
There are too many vets who need help and not enough staff to help them.

That is what happens when you have decades of war you cant pay for and budget cuts.
 
2014-05-20 05:48:32 PM
Im going to wait and see how this works out.

But Im giving ObamaLlamaDingDongoFartBongo the benfit of the doubt in that I think he will actually make some improvements if he can.

I have a lot more faith in him when it comes to our troops and military then the last jackass.
 
2014-05-20 06:12:19 PM
I thought that he was the most jack booted thug to centralize the centralized power? Wouldn't folks fear sending one of his thugs to go thugging?
 
2014-05-20 06:31:32 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Did Congress restore their funding?

No?

Then I doubt things can improve.


When did it get cut?

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It looks like FYI 2013 and 2014 also had approved increases.  It may not be rising fast enough to handle increased responsibility, but I can't find anything about VA funding being cut at all, not even during the sequester.

For the past few years it looks like they've either gotten what they requested or even a little more than requested.
 
2014-05-20 06:35:56 PM

Lsherm: Marcus Aurelius: Did Congress restore their funding?

No?

Then I doubt things can improve.

When did it get cut?

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Source

It looks like FYI 2013 and 2014 also had approved increases.  It may not be rising fast enough to handle increased responsibility, but I can't find anything about VA funding being cut at all, not even during the sequester.

For the past few years it looks like they've either gotten what they requested or even a little more than requested.


I was certain it was part of the sequester cuts.  Guess I stand corrected.
 
2014-05-20 06:39:18 PM

Lsherm: For the past few years it looks like they've either gotten what they requested or even a little more than requested.


Here's the article I was thinking of.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/va-dodges-budget-cuts-but-vet er ans-will-still-feel-effects-of-the-sequester/2013/03/08/f5266034-8527- 11e2-98a3-b3db6b9ac586_story.html
 
2014-05-20 06:40:03 PM
 
2014-05-20 06:41:46 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Lsherm: For the past few years it looks like they've either gotten what they requested or even a little more than requested.

Here's the article I was thinking of.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/va-dodges-budget-cuts-but-vet er ans-will-still-feel-effects-of-the-sequester/2013/03/08/f5266034-8527- 11e2-98a3-b3db6b9ac586_story.html


That's one of the ones I linked to.  The VA has problems, but funding isn't one of them.  They're getting what they request and have been for a while.  It's truly a management problem.  If they actually need more money, then they aren't requesting it, and that's a management failure.
 
2014-05-20 06:44:51 PM

AirForceVet: As a disabled vet, I'm holding judgment until the dust settles. Way too much politics and for-profit journalism flying about to get an idea WTF is going on in the Phenoix VA hospital.

Has the VA IG issued its report yet?


As a Vet who has used the VA as well as volunteered at the Salt Lake VA Hospital, I am also holding judgment until the dust settles for the same reasons you listed.
 
2014-05-20 06:51:40 PM
How DARE he not personally investigate this!

/truly history's greatest monster
 
2014-05-20 07:07:55 PM
A Top aide?

WHO?
 
2014-05-20 07:08:26 PM
Obama could solve the whole thing just by pressing the "Fix VA" button on his desk. Why won't he just press the button?
 
2014-05-20 07:08:55 PM
Is he a lobbyist for an HMO?
 
2014-05-20 07:10:45 PM
From what I've heard, having an aide directly from the White House do this level of oversight is fairly unusual.

Seriously though, this is probably of of the bigger actual Obama administration scandals.

Also, a eyebrow raised hello to all the hot disabled vets out there. Men in uniform are dreamy.
 
2014-05-20 07:11:12 PM
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2014-05-20 07:11:18 PM
great, now i get to listen to all the Conservative talking heads tell me how President Obama hate our Vets.

while giving the camera the "nailed it" look after their prepared speech.
 
2014-05-20 07:11:50 PM
Okay, so what's wrong with Virginia this time?
 
2014-05-20 07:12:53 PM


Lsherm:
It looks like FYI 2013 and 2014 also had approved increases.  It may not be rising fast enough to handle increased responsibility, but I can't find anything about VA funding being cut at all, not even during the sequester.

For the past few years it looks like they've either gotten what they requested or even a little more than requested.


You hush your mouth when someone is trying to deflect blame away from the administration.
 
2014-05-20 07:14:29 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: How DARE he not personally investigate this!

/truly history's greatest monster


He could have, at least, established a Presidential Fact-finding Blue Ribbon commission. It would give his cousin, Darrel, a job. Possibly; his other cousin, Darrel, as well.

/ people forget that Obama's momma came from El Dorado, KS; home of, well, not much really. They do have a refinery. I had the misfortune to live in El Dorado for two years. I know, CSB!
 
2014-05-20 07:14:29 PM

AirForceVet: As a disabled vet, I'm holding judgment until the dust settles. Way too much politics and for-profit journalism flying about to get an idea WTF is going on in the Phenoix VA hospital.

Has the VA IG issued its report yet?


Looks like Phoenix may not be an isolated incident.

And yeah, this is pretty much going to be an exercise in 'No, YOU!!!' with not much getting fixed.
 
2014-05-20 07:16:51 PM
Top. Men.
 
2014-05-20 07:17:54 PM
I don't understand why Obama isn't omniscient. Hope & Change indeed.
 
2014-05-20 07:19:02 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Lsherm: For the past few years it looks like they've either gotten what they requested or even a little more than requested.

Here's the article I was thinking of.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/va-dodges-budget-cuts-but-vet er ans-will-still-feel-effects-of-the-sequester/2013/03/08/f5266034-8527- 11e2-98a3-b3db6b9ac586_story.html


So you consider a possible late payment that didn't even happen to be the same thing as a cut in budget?
 
2014-05-20 07:19:11 PM

AirForceVet: As a disabled vet, I'm holding judgment until the dust settles. Way too much politics and for-profit journalism flying about to get an idea WTF is going on in the Phenoix VA hospital.

Has the VA IG issued its report yet?


The fact that the phx va spends 59% of its budget on administration should be proof enough. When the problem is lack of doctors to see patients, adding more paper pushers isnt the answer.
 
2014-05-20 07:19:20 PM

Lsherm: Marcus Aurelius: Did Congress restore their funding?

No?

Then I doubt things can improve.

When did it get cut?

[img835.imageshack.us image 850x584]

Source

It looks like FYI 2013 and 2014 also had approved increases.  It may not be rising fast enough to handle increased responsibility, but I can't find anything about VA funding being cut at all, not even during the sequester.

For the past few years it looks like they've either gotten what they requested or even a little more than requested.


So, actually look at what that graph represents and it's not trivial. The VA in 2003 (so, well into our 2 war adventure), we funded the VA at 1976 levels (and had cut spending in between).   Now, the funny thing about Veteran's is, you have to care for them long after the war is over.  So, we created loads of demand in Vietnam, then promptly cut all funding to care for the new veteran's, and have only begun to properly fund the system precisely as the veteran's of 2 wars need healthcare at today's much inflated prices.  So yeah, I'm sure management is a part of it, but let's not pretend like the place is adequately staffed.
 
2014-05-20 07:20:13 PM
The aide wants to make sure the whistle blowers are rounded up and punished. Punishing whistle blowers is very important to Obama.
 
2014-05-20 07:20:29 PM
The NYT is already blaming Bush, which is always amusing.
 
2014-05-20 07:20:56 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Did Congress restore their funding?

No?

Then I doubt things can improve.


Umm.. funding is up like 60% since 2008 and has never decreased.
 
2014-05-20 07:21:22 PM

MFAWG: AirForceVet: As a disabled vet, I'm holding judgment until the dust settles. Way too much politics and for-profit journalism flying about to get an idea WTF is going on in the Phenoix VA hospital.

Has the VA IG issued its report yet?

Looks like Phoenix may not be an isolated incident.

And yeah, this is pretty much going to be an exercise in 'No, YOU!!!' with not much getting fixed.


All I know is that my grandfather won't set foot in the VA because of the poor level of care he's received, not to mention the elevated risk of MRSA staph infections over the past decade
 
2014-05-20 07:21:27 PM
I heard Obama wasn't going to sleep until this is fixed.
 
2014-05-20 07:21:44 PM

vernonFL: There are too many vets who need help and not enough staff to help them.

That is what happens when you have decades of war you cant pay for and budget cuts.


What the fark is with the ignorance. VA funding has not been cut and has grown quite a bit.
 
2014-05-20 07:21:49 PM
Let us express joy in the traditional Jedi way: "Hoooooooootkins!


now everyone yell "hootkins!"  Do it.
 
2014-05-20 07:21:55 PM

oryx: The aide wants to make sure the whistle blowers are rounded up and punished. Punishing whistle blowers is very important to Obama.


but if we punish the whistle blowers, who will blow the whistles?
 
2014-05-20 07:22:22 PM
This is just a distraction for the real problem of Benghazi!
 
2014-05-20 07:23:15 PM
This is just another example of the poor state of healthcare in the US.  Decades ago millions of veterans saw the VA as a healthcare provider of last resort since most workers had healthcare through their employer.  Now, with healthcare benefits drying up more veterans are looking to the VA for care and the VA is incapable of handling the workload.  Perhaps healthcare reform will address some of the problem but single-payer national healthcare would definitely address the issue and perhaps allow for the end of the need for a separate system for veterans.
 
2014-05-20 07:23:39 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: How DARE he not personally investigate this!

/truly history's greatest monster


He made it a 2008 campaign promise. Usually one follows up at least a tiny bit on those.
 
2014-05-20 07:23:44 PM
Know what chaps my arse? This has happened before! I don't recall exactly when, but probably in the 70's. I recall picture spreads in magazines about VA hospitals in such sad shape that the walls were moldy, some had whole sections closed, staffing was so bad that many had wards where the patients mainly took care of each other.

Budget cuts were blamed -- and Congress -- for siphoning off money for special interest projects. Then there was a problem with the military chain of command and their way of doing things concerning military hospitals.

Not all VA hospitals were in such sad shape, but more than there should have been.

Some of the images shown looked like the places had been abandoned years ago, yet they were still functional hospitals. That was also somewhere around the time that civilian hospital trauma centers, a relatively new concept, started being shut down due to costs and some had their ERs closed.

Curiously enough, during all of this budget cutting, we were still sending billions overseas in loans and aid.

It seems our government likes to turn a blind eye to the needs of the wounded warriors who went out to fight for them and managed to survive. They didn't want to treat the Vietnam vets, because Vietnam, though bloody, nasty and a freakin' nightmare, had never been officially declared a war. So, various war benefits were denied the returning vets, until they rioted about it and the people backed them.

Congress was simply not going to give up the money to properly treat those soldiers who managed to make it back from that slice of hell over there. After all, they had parks to make, bridges to install, enticements to pay big name businesses to start up branches overseas and more prisons to build since they passed laws requiring anyone caught with a fleck of pot on them to have to go to jail.

I guess no one learned from the mess the last time.

If you send them out to die and pay them crap for wages, at least give them top of the line medical care when they return.
 
2014-05-20 07:25:47 PM

Rik01: Know what chaps my arse? This has happened before! I don't recall exactly when, but probably in the 70's. I recall picture spreads in magazines about VA hospitals in such sad shape that the walls were moldy, some had whole sections closed, staffing was so bad that many had wards where the patients mainly took care of each other.


In happened in 2007 with Walter Reed.  They had known about it since 2004.
 
2014-05-20 07:25:53 PM

Nutsac_Jim: Lsherm: It looks like FYI 2013 and 2014 also had approved increases.  It may not be rising fast enough to handle increased responsibility, but I can't find anything about VA funding being cut at all, not even during the sequester.

For the past few years it looks like they've either gotten what they requested or even a little more than requested.

You hush your mouth when someone is trying to deflect blame away from the administration.


The administration definitely deserves blame for this, but mostly for not fixing what we all knew was a big problem already. Remember when the VA was a dumpster fire under Bush? That had a news cycle, too. This is an issue that spans administrations, it's bigger than any one president or one party.

We have too many veterans, and aren't equipped to provide them with proper care. We need to figure out how to make fewer veterans and give them better care.

Using shiat like this to score cheap political points is scummy, I don't care who the president is. Fix it first, blame someone later.
 
2014-05-20 07:26:43 PM
Insert  notthisshiatagain.jpg.

I'm a veteran and past professional associate of the VAH system.  They have never had their shiat together, don't now, and never will.  Patient care areas have always been woefully underfunded and I'd judge this will never change.  My experience is that the patient care staff at VAH are hardworking and dedicated but resources are short.  I have always noticed that the further you get from the bedside, the more staff and funding is provided.

It is a truly socialized health care system.  Nothing generates a patient charge so efficiencies are not valued whatsoever.  The bosses only look at the overall cost of various departments and apply blunt instruments to departments (like patient care) that cost big money.  Taking care of more patients costs more money so on the waiting list you go until you get better without intervention or die or seek other care.

By the way, Republicans, it doesn't matter a tinker's damn which party the President is from.  This won't ever change.  There will be lots of sound and fury but no change.

As John Stewart observed, we need to declare war on our veterans.  Then budgetary concerns will go away and they can have whatever they need right now.
 
2014-05-20 07:27:03 PM

Isitoveryet: great, now i get to listen to all the Conservative talking heads tell me how President Obama hate our Vets.

while giving the camera the "nailed it" look after their prepared speech.


You mean like you had to listen to libs do the same when Obama said it was all republicans fault as a candidate in 2007.
 
2014-05-20 07:27:41 PM
He couldn't hear you over how awesome he is anyways, so who cares?
 
2014-05-20 07:27:46 PM
The media have ignored it, as usual.

Maybe Miley Cyrus is f*cking a sledgehammer this week.
 
2014-05-20 07:27:49 PM
I expect he may chase this particular scandal down since it doesn't look like the trail leads to the wh.
 
2014-05-20 07:28:02 PM

runwiz: This is just another example of the poor state of

Government run healthcare in the US.

Single payer single payer!
 
2014-05-20 07:29:48 PM

Nutsac_Jim: runwiz: This is just another example of the poor state of Government run healthcare in the US.

Single payer single payer!


Which is why it works everywhere else?
 
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