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2014-05-20 02:26:28 PM
"A yearbook is to commemorate the achievements of the students, particularly the senior class," she said. "Probably this would not fall into that category."

She's right.  What kind of achievement is having a child?  It's not as if they did something notable, like erecting a paper mache dinosaur in the gym.
 
2014-05-20 02:41:54 PM
Nice.  Cancel the autoplay crap and the article disappears.

THAT angers ME.
 
2014-05-20 02:51:41 PM
I graduated from Mesa. Go Jackrabbits.

This is in a large Mormon community. Having said that:

Asked to characterize the level of some parents' concerns about the yearbook, Hollands said "outrage" would be too strong a word. She also said she does not expect Mesa High or the school district to change any official policies about what can be included in yearbooks and what can't.

Must be Sweeps. This isn't news.
 
2014-05-20 03:18:29 PM

Nadie_AZ: I graduated from Mesa. Go Jackrabbits.


So did my college girlfriend... back when I was "straight" and Mormon. You were there at the same time.
 
2014-05-20 03:27:25 PM
I'm not outraged, but I do think it validates their behavior and sends the wrong message.
 
2014-05-20 03:30:05 PM

TheHighlandHowler: I'm not outraged, but I do think it validates their behavior and sends the wrong message.


I don't. I think it shows that teenage parents can overcome obstacles and succeed.

Do I like the idea of teenage parents? Hell no. I have 4 daughters and it is the stuff of nightmares. But don't pretend they aren't there or shun them.
 
2014-05-20 03:33:34 PM
And if they had gotten abortions, these parents would have wanted to hang them.  Girls can't win.
 
2014-05-20 03:38:43 PM

SundaesChild: And if they had gotten abortions, these parents would have wanted to hang them.  Girls can't win.


Had they provided sex education and easy access to birth control with the expectation that they would be responsible when sexually active, this wouldn't be an issue at all
 
2014-05-20 03:41:18 PM
In part of New Jersey, it would take more than 2 pages to cover all the "surprise" children...
 
2014-05-20 03:42:45 PM

JoieD'Zen: SundaesChild: And if they had gotten abortions, these parents would have wanted to hang them.  Girls can't win.

Had they provided sex education and easy access to birth control with the expectation that they would be responsible when sexually active, this wouldn't be an issue at all


True dat.
 
2014-05-20 03:55:10 PM

ManateeGag: In part of New Jersey, it would take more than 2 pages to cover all the "surprise" children...


Tru dat.

Even in my sleepy little hamlet in Hunterdon County (Delaware Valley Regional from '84-'88).  Girl on my freshman cross country team had issues during a race from her abortion the summer before.
 
2014-05-20 04:02:51 PM

Diogenes: Even in my sleepy little hamlet in Hunterdon County (Delaware Valley Regional from '84-'88).  Girl on my freshman cross country team had issues during a race from her abortion the summer before.


It's a small town. Of course sex will happen.
 
2014-05-20 04:06:37 PM

Nadie_AZ: Diogenes: Even in my sleepy little hamlet in Hunterdon County (Delaware Valley Regional from '84-'88).  Girl on my freshman cross country team had issues during a race from her abortion the summer before.

It's a small town. Of course sex will happen.


But don't they think so small, and use small words?
 
2014-05-20 04:07:50 PM

Nadie_AZ: I don't. I think it shows that teenage parents can overcome obstacles and succeed.

Do I like the idea of teenage parents? Hell no. I have 4 daughters and it is the stuff of nightmares. But don't pretend they aren't there or shun them.


Point taken.
 
2014-05-20 04:09:06 PM

Diogenes: Girl on my freshman cross country team had issues during a Race From Her Abortion the summer before.


A Lifetime special is... born.
 
2014-05-20 04:15:19 PM

Calmamity: Diogenes: Girl on my freshman cross country team had issues during a Race From Her Abortion the summer before.

A Lifetime special is... born.


LOL.  You should totally pitch it.
 
2014-05-20 04:34:02 PM
I think it is grand they included them.
When I as in high school if a girl got knocked up, it was a major thing.
She disappeared, or the entire family did. They would move over night
and you never saw them again.
I know of 4 girls in my class that just up and disappeared because they got knocked up.
this was in the early 70s.

Farked up.
At least admit the truth.
Publish the truth.
Don't be farked up like the parents were back then.

Man, one of those girls I would have married anyway.
 
2014-05-20 04:35:19 PM
Yearbook trifecta now in play.
 
2014-05-20 04:35:39 PM

Diogenes: Girl on my freshman cross country team had issues during a race from her abortion the summer before.


wait....she started bleeding out during the race?  not sure what you mean in context of brotherman's "surprise babies" comment.  she was running XC race while 9 months pregnant and had the surprise baby?  or she started bleeding?

my mind is broke today.
 
2014-05-20 04:36:20 PM
Y'know what?  For once in my life, I'm more on the side of the parents than the teachers/students.

fark these kids.  If you're pregnant before you graduate high school, that's a  personal failing, not any kind of achievement.  Still managing to pass doesn't really give you any bonus points, the average person can pretty easily take the GED exam and pass it by the time they've finished junior high, so we're not exactly talking a grueling obstacle course significantly handicapped by having a job/child, here.

Sure, if they're an adult coming back in their '30s to GED it up with night school or something, you get a couple of kudos for coming back to correct your mistakes despite having adult responsibilities.  If you're 18?  No, you just suck.
 
2014-05-20 04:36:54 PM

Nadie_AZ: TheHighlandHowler: I'm not outraged, but I do think it validates their behavior and sends the wrong message.

I don't. I think it shows that teenage parents can overcome obstacles and succeed.

Do I like the idea of teenage parents? Hell no. I have 4 daughters and it is the stuff of nightmares. But don't pretend they aren't there or shun them.


Getting a page in a yearbook shows they can "overcome" and "succeed"? What in the fark...
 
2014-05-20 04:38:45 PM
It's nice to see conservatives supporting sex ed and birth control for a change.
 
2014-05-20 04:39:41 PM

Diogenes: Girl on my freshman cross country team had issues during a race from her abortion the summer before.


Like stumble/fall/tumble...
i53.tinypic.com
...mom can't finish the race, baby wins it by a mile?
 
2014-05-20 04:41:00 PM

Nadie_AZ: TheHighlandHowler: I'm not outraged, but I do think it validates their behavior and sends the wrong message.

I don't. I think it shows that teenage parents can overcome obstacles and succeed.

Do I like the idea of teenage parents? Hell no. I have 4 daughters and it is the stuff of nightmares. But don't pretend they aren't there or shun them.


Aww come on, a baby is just a participation ribbon you get for sex.
 
2014-05-20 04:43:24 PM
2 pages dedicated to future strippers, welfare moms, and stars of 'Back Door Teen Mom Part 2".
 
2014-05-20 04:43:36 PM
Welcome to Phase 2 of LBJ's Great Society.
 
2014-05-20 04:44:06 PM

Nadie_AZ: Diogenes: Even in my sleepy little hamlet in Hunterdon County (Delaware Valley Regional from '84-'88).  Girl on my freshman cross country team had issues during a race from her abortion the summer before.

It's a small town. Of course sex will happen.


1/2 a million people and part of one of the largest metro areas in the country is not really a small town in fact the 3500 enrolled students make the school larger than many small towns ... I blame the tea baggy Mormons on this one

\\ from the Phoenix area
\\\\ St Mary's or any high school in Mesa used to be a place to find the girls who like to fark back in my high school days
 
2014-05-20 04:46:08 PM
Yeah, people who have a problem with this are stupid because we should celebrate people who make life-long bad choices at a young age, dumbassmitter.
 
2014-05-20 04:46:26 PM

rickythepenguin: Diogenes: Girl on my freshman cross country team had issues during a race from her abortion the summer before.

wait....she started bleeding out during the race?  not sure what you mean in context of brotherman's "surprise babies" comment.  she was running XC race while 9 months pregnant and had the surprise baby?  or she started bleeding?

my mind is broke today.


She had an abortion during the summer before freshman year.  She started bleeding and having bad pains during a cross country race the following fall.

I didn't really know the girl prior to joining the team.  It was a regional high school that was fed by 5 middle schools.  But her history was no secret the guys who DID know her.  When one of the older guys on the team saw she had joined (first co-ed practice) he said, "I wonder how she'll run and keep the cucumber up there?"  And she still went on to become/remain prolifically slutty and dropped out senior year.
 
2014-05-20 04:47:13 PM
A friend of mine had a kid during our senior year of high school. A couple of days ago, he posted a picture of his kid running track on Facebook. I commented "Hey, nice Throwback Thursday," then realized it wasn't Thursday.

/Got me right in the old.
 
2014-05-20 04:47:26 PM

I_Am_Weasel: "A yearbook is to commemorate the achievements of the students, particularly the senior class," she said. "Probably this would not fall into that category."

She's right.  What kind of achievement is having a child?  It's not as if they did something notable, like erecting a paper mache dinosaur in the gym.


It's not much of an achievement if it happens 131.4 million times a year worldwide.
 
2014-05-20 04:47:44 PM
Are they simply trying to shame them in this backhanded faux-positive manner? Are they planning on setting up special pages for the victims of abuse and their ability to overcome it perhaps? School yearbooks are not the place for that kind of stuff. Keep it to the curriculum, the classes, the teachers, and the students' participation in those areas. No one needs to know who has a summer job, got preggers, who has divorced parents, etc. or how tough homework is when you have a brat because you were busy farking instead of doing homework.

Stop with the attention whoring.
 
2014-05-20 04:48:20 PM
Seems more than a bit odd to essentially celebrate someone failing at life by being a teenage parent.

It's like having a few pages devoted to all the kids kicking their drug habits, or how they're dealing with being on probation.
 
2014-05-20 04:49:03 PM

Jim_Callahan: fark these kids. If you're pregnant before you graduate high school, that's a personal failing, not any kind of achievement. Still managing to pass doesn't really give you any bonus points, the average person can pretty easily take the GED exam and pass it by the time they've finished junior high, so we're not exactly talking a grueling obstacle course significantly handicapped by having a job/child, here.

Sure, if they're an adult coming back in their '30s to GED it up with night school or something, you get a couple of kudos for coming back to correct your mistakes despite having adult responsibilities. If you're 18? No, you just suck.


You're usually not this callous. :(

Teenagers are dumb and impulsive and they make bad decisions sometimes despite everything. We don't need to exacerbate the impact of their mistakes with shaming.

It's a fine line with this issue, because you don't want to encourage something unwise and undesirable (teenage pregnancy), but you also don't want to make kids feel alienated or humiliated, because what's happened has happened and what's important now is the future of the parent(s) and child. They'll have an easier time getting to that better future if we support them, nurture them, and show them examples of people succeeding despite difficulty.
 
2014-05-20 04:49:39 PM
Student parents explaining to other students that having kids while in school is really farking hard is a bad thing now? Were the stories not tragic enough for Mormons?
 
2014-05-20 04:53:04 PM

JoieD'Zen: SundaesChild: And if they had gotten abortions, these parents would have wanted to hang them.  Girls can't win.

Had they provided sex education and easy access to birth control with the expectation that they would be responsible when sexually active, this wouldn't be an issue at all


Except... these are MORMONS. So yeah, that would have been an issue... a REAL BIG farking issue... There would have been a huge public outcry and the conservative outrage and backlash for DARING to even mention the word sex would have been what we would be reading about and not some back page in the year book dedicated to all those mama's out there...

And believe, a proper education on sex and birth control does save the stupid, just the uninformed... I know, my school had a proper sex ed class (it's kinda weird hearing detailed, vivid accounts of hetero sex from a butch lesbian, i gotta admit...) but there were still plenty of dumbass girls that got regularly knocked up... Those ultimately were the same ones who were 16 and farking 22 year olds, so we knew who would end up with a fetus by senior year...
 
2014-05-20 04:54:01 PM

kling_klang_bed: 2 pages dedicated to future strippers, welfare moms, and stars of 'Back Door Teen Mom Part 2".


We're not discussing the cheerleader section.  Get back on topic.
 
2014-05-20 04:54:12 PM

robertus: A friend of mine had a kid during our senior year of high school. A couple of days ago, he posted a picture of his kid running track on Facebook. I commented "Hey, nice Throwback Thursday," then realized it wasn't Thursday.

/Got me right in the old.


Yup.  I graduated 20 years ago and already are seeing classmates posting grandbaby pictures over facebook.  Then I look at the mirror and see more grey than remaining hair.  But at least the penis still works so it's all good
 
2014-05-20 04:54:21 PM
it'll be nice to have something to look back on when they're trapped in the poverty cycle... oops too late!
 
2014-05-20 04:54:34 PM
This is stupid and doesn't belong in a high school yearbook...
What's next...
Pages to commemorate kids who got hooked on whatever drug and still made it to graduation?
Pages to commemorate whoever got whatever venereal disease but still graduated?
How about pages dedicated to everyone who got arrested by the cops but still made it to graduation?
NOT INSPIRATIONAL TOPICS!!!
Neither is teenage pregnancy.
Again, this is stupid.
 
2014-05-20 04:55:37 PM

CeroX: And believe me, a proper education on sex and birth control doesn't save the stupid, just the uninformed...


wow... My typing skills today are in the gutter... along with my mind about those slutty highschool girls i knew back then...
 
2014-05-20 04:57:08 PM

ReverendJynxed: Are they simply trying to shame them in this backhanded faux-positive manner? Are they planning on setting up special pages for the victims of abuse and their ability to overcome it perhaps? School yearbooks are not the place for that kind of stuff. Keep it to the curriculum, the classes, the teachers, and the students' participation in those areas. No one needs to know who has a summer job, got preggers, who has divorced parents, etc. or how tough homework is when you have a brat because you were busy farking instead of doing homework.

Stop with the attention whoring.


The sole purpose of a yearbook is attention whoring.
 
2014-05-20 04:57:44 PM

Rawhead Rex: This is stupid and doesn't belong in a high school yearbook...
What's next...
Pages to commemorate kids who got hooked on whatever drug and still made it to graduation?
Pages to commemorate whoever got whatever venereal disease but still graduated?
How about pages dedicated to everyone who got arrested by the cops but still made it to graduation?
NOT INSPIRATIONAL TOPICS!!!
Neither is teenage pregnancy.
Again, this is stupid.


If the kids aren't actively making those mistakes anymore and have turned their lives around, why not?
 
2014-05-20 04:58:04 PM

Inchoate: Teenagers are dumb and impulsive and they make bad decisions sometimes despite everything. We don't need to exacerbate the impact of their mistakes with shaming.


I don't know that "not giving them a yearbook page celebrating how great they are specifically because of their mistakes" is really the same thing as "shaming".

I'm not saying every school needs a lion pit so that we can feed teen-pregnant students (and I assume the guys involved too) to large carnivores, I'm saying that it's a bad idea to  explicitly praise them for things that are quantitatively terrible mistakes resulting from personal negligence.

It's sort of like having a page dedicated to lauding the courage and perseverance of a student that heroically overcame her negligent manslaughter charge and got off with just a DUI for mowing down a pedestrian while driving drunk.  You don't get bonus points for managing to muddle through a situation that's your own dumb-ass fault.
 
2014-05-20 04:58:10 PM

vudukungfu: I think it is grand they included them.
When I as in high school if a girl got knocked up, it was a major thing.
She disappeared, or the entire family did. They would move over night
and you never saw them again.
I know of 4 girls in my class that just up and disappeared because they got knocked up.
this was in the early 70s.

Farked up.
At least admit the truth.
Publish the truth.
Don't be farked up like the parents were back then.

Man, one of those girls I would have married anyway.


It is farked up, my Mom's senior class had a girl with a kid that worked hard and graduated on time but the school refused to let her walk at the graduation ceremony and her parents had to fight to even let her watch the ceremony.

What was extra farked up it was an All-Girls Catholic High School that didn't teach sex ed and taught that abortion was wrong, wanted girls to be either nuns or good little submissive wives pumping out 10+ kids.

My Mom had a nun "guidance counselor" who discouraged her from attending college (she wanted to be a math teacher) and become a secretary instead.

/Mormons are just unfun strict catholics...
 
2014-05-20 05:00:55 PM
give them aspirins daily.  tell them to hold the aspirins between their knees.

that or a cork
stick it in deep
 
2014-05-20 05:00:58 PM
When did this country turn into such a gaggle of perpetually butthurt wussies? And when did someone being offended by something become so damned newsworthy? It's just sad.
 
2014-05-20 05:01:04 PM

Inchoate: It's a fine line with this issue, because you don't want to encourage something unwise and undesirable (teenage pregnancy), but you also don't want to make kids feel alienated or humiliated, because what's happened has happened and what's important now is the future of the parent(s) and child. They'll have an easier time getting to that better future if we support them, nurture them, and show them examples of people succeeding despite difficulty.


Fine. So don't exclude them from the yearbook, but don't have a special page dedicated to them, either.
 
2014-05-20 05:01:26 PM

Huggermugger: The sole purpose of a yearbook is attention whoring.


So look at my babby bump.
My hump my hump my babby hump and bump
and it's a empirical miracle!
I made a babby.
I get a prize.
I'm a great parent, because i MADE A BAAAAAAAAAAABBBY
iIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII MAAAADED A AA BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABBBBY.

Gimme a trophy and a car and a bamaphone.
It's the miricale I maded.
 
2014-05-20 05:01:39 PM

Rawhead Rex: This is stupid and doesn't belong in a high school yearbook...
What's next...


The students listing their FARK handles under their pictures.

/MBooda Wrestling Manager 2, Rowing Crew 3,4 Drama Club 2,3 Chess Club 2,3,4 Table Games Club 2,3,4
 
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